How did our boys do up North?

Results are listed on Baumspage but cc won fausz Matthews Myers won Turner got 3rd on his return I think Krebs won as well

Wells won as well

Five champs , seven belts ,Sinclair takes second in heavies ,as well Wells wins as well I think Maggard places also , Fausz wins Ow a four timer there beating Romero , ,CC blew it out down only one weight ,

CC looks ready a few beat up But looking ready for a state run seven or eight for sure placers I would guess .and a High school nationally ranked undefeated Wrestling King of the Jungle looking for his third straight Title at 220

Sounds like some of the banter of an overzealous parent that was spewed on here last year nonstop. If anything people should know is that state is unpredictable.

The last post Sounds like some of the banter of an envious parent who likes to push Buttons and stir the pot to cause trouble .

I don't see how saying a team looks ready for a state run and predicting seven Or eight state placers for seven or eight who are ranked very high is over zealous , looking ready and guessing numbers is hardly anything more than confidence . As for the rest of the post barring injury the certainty that the 220 state champ repeats is the surest bet anyone could make in the wrestling world the only Totally undefeated state champ in the state will dominate at All Tech and leave Lexington with every fan in the state thinking if he cannot go undefeated for four years in season in Kentucky no one ever will even leaving those he has beaten with the knowledge that they were champions losing only to the best EVER in the state . no opponent no Injury no quick call never got the chance to take him out and his Back never touched the mat for even an instant in four yrs of High School wrestling in kY or elsewhere in the regular season and perhaps Ever in High School , over zealous , not even close , Enjoy the little time you have left to witness a Legend making Kentucky History and know that your petty attempts to deter his hype only served to add fuel to his fire .

Looking forward to Campbell County winning state duals once again then making that state run dominating all those private schools as ATM never breaks a sweat .

Sounds like some of the banter of an overzealous parent that was spewed on here last year nonstop. If anything people should know is that state is unpredictable.

To make it easier for everyone to understand your own Motivation . Why are you even commenting on a thread about The Hammer and Anvil I doubt you have anything to do with Campbell County or Simon Kenton The two Kentucky Teams that were there . You should be more concerned about what to say on your posts following state duals and the actual State Tournament !! When over zealousness leads to titles !!!!

The fact was team state champions are never a given. I know your son will win his third title, he's one of the best I've seen. Last year, you were guaranteeing a team title for Campbell county. How did that prediction work out?

CC won Hammer and Anvil as expected. I was surprised to read that Lebanon did so well. What about Rochester, Mi? How did they look this year compared to last?

Truer words were never spoken ukpridewrestler11.  Saw CC wrestle for the first time this year at the hammer, I was really impressed! 7 out of 14

weight classes were 9th and 10th graders but you wouldn't know it. the 126lb 10th grader was out with inj. only 4 out of 14 weight classes are seniors. yet this years accomplishments include 1st. NKAC. 1st. Hammer & Anvil. 2nd. Fairfield inv. and 2nd. at the Ryle Rumble. I expect them to be in the mix at state. But I also know this is probably going to be Unions year with a star studded senior ladden team. But like you say, champions are never a given.

CC won Hammer and Anvil as expected. I was surprised to read that Lebanon did so well. What about Rochester, Mi? How did they look this year compared to last?

Last I saw they were 8th. The 170lb took 1st don't know about the rest

The fact was team state champions are never a given. I know your son will win his third title, he's one of the best I've seen. Last year, you were guaranteeing a team title for Campbell county. How did that prediction work out?

I don't recall anyone guaranteeing a state team title ???? I will say you are fortunate to be around to witness one of the rarest of accomplishments in this sport as a wrestler attempts "and is over half way there " to go undefeated in High School competition inn season and even possibly out of season taking on all comers from Ky and Ohio and proving its no fluke winning nationals and beating some of the best in the country at nationals and national duals .

Why you insist on focusing on someone who has nothing to do with you rather than talk about or talk up your own team us beyond me , rather than attack someone for talking about or talking up a kid or team why don't you focus on the positives of the team or person you care about , of course they may not add up to the accomplishments of everyone else or the best but at least it would show more honor or sincerity than simply crying about someone else's hype or accomplishments all the time over and over it's all I hear is waaahhhhhh waahhhhh u need a freaking pacifier it's sickening

Now back to the hammer and anvil , and It's 2 x team champions Campbell County Rochester was obviously down compared to last yr they did manage to win a class or two and had a few studs but lacked the firepower of last yr .

And I do think Austin wins state again and will do so another time no one would guarantee a team title there are to many variables but barring Injury I would guarantee ATM wins state this yr and will give back some of the love he Has been shown .

It will be a great honor becoming Campbell Counties first ever 3x state champ and a greater one becoming it's and his states first ever four timer anywhere near his weight , just think a four time undefeated champ who NO ONE has ever put on his back in High school , now talk smack down a kid his dad his team his accomplishments while the rest of the country stands up and says that Kentucky boy is the real deal a multiple time national champ who has beaten state champs from his freshman yr on ,simply The Best !!!!

Lebanon looked very good a lot of placing kids they kind of sneak in without a lot of bang , western Brown had a couple champs as well I think nice for the host school to have success , a fun tournament with excellent hardware , last yr back packs for champs this yr championship Belts , cool stuff , nice swing Sk there but very idiotic if their school board making them leave just before finals , I'm sure if it was a basketball or foitball team they would have been shown more respect , I feel bad for their team and coaches , they had some studs there as well , I know at least one made finals and had to leave Mueller pinned his semis opponent who was actually a very good and physical 220 , I think he has a great shot at making the finals at state .

Tarzan:

I didn't quite understand.  Why did SK have to leave the tournament before the finals?  I agree, that's just disrespectful to hard-working kids and coaches.

Nowhere was me or anyone else talking smack, downing a kid and his team. And I would talk up a team, but living out of town, it's hard to follow my alma mater, so I choose not to speak up about them or other teams I have been affiliated with through my family. This is a message board and if you don't like my opinion then ignore me, but my opinion was stated as the state tournament is not a given on who wins as a team or not. Kids get upset, teams get hot (St. X last year), and yes there are many variables. I will continue to respect Austin, and every persons opinions. Done speaking to this tarzan character. Now can someone teach me where the ignore button is again, please?

Edit: nevermind, I was able to find the ignore preferences.

The fact was team state champions are never a given. I know your son will win his third title, he's one of the best I've seen. Last year, you were guaranteeing a team title for Campbell county. How did that prediction work out?

Waahhhhh waaahhhhhh cry as usual .

Campbell County is a powerhouse team a dynasty winning state then state duals and a runner up your beloved X will hav to either win state or state duals in order to be considered on the same level and even then they will be known for the Lampes while CC is known for having the best team Ky has ever seen the 2012 squad will go down as the team with the greatest studs ever in KY on iit , Yenter Fausz Frank Mathews Hamilton S Myers Turner Sparh Maggard the rest and the one and only greatest of all Time ATM .

Add those titles up baby it will make your head spin now add those AA s up just as if not more impressive , now do like I do and focus on positives not on telling lies and negatives , perhaps one of the reasons ATM is ATM is because He is surrounded by highly motivated obsessive confident knowledgable people one in particular believe and achieve , will the win .

And I happen to enjoy respect and admit other teams and if I had ties to Woodford and Union would be spouting the same positives about them because they have had and do have the wins and studs to back it up .

"I didn't quite understand.  Why did SK have to leave the tournament before the finals?  I agree, that's just disrespectful to hard-working kids and coaches."

SK was forced to leave by their county administrators decision that the pending weather would have been an issue for their safety. It was such an unfair decision with no regard for how hard their coaches and wrestlers work. No basketball game or football game is stopped midway thru an event not even in the driving rain. Such as the Cooper vs SK football game that was played in a monsoon!!!!!! Once again it is an uphill battle to get wrestling the support and respect it deserves and not keep our coaches concerned for their jobs if they ask for some simple common sense! 

I got a state ring at one of those schools you mentioned and no it wasn't st x. I'm not spouting positives because I don't know enough about their season this year as I have in years past. And St X is a great program. No need to down their history and past.

"the best team Ky has ever seen the 2012 squad will go down as the team with the greatest studs ever in KY on it"..... and you still second place so remember that! you must live in a bubble, do you?

Didn't down them just explained that if you want to be on level with CC for real rather than a flash in the pan it would take a couple years in a row of success as in any sport , I think the Lampes are excellent wrestlers and ambassadors of the sport. They had a great tournament last yr but thats not a Dynasty or even a great couple of years , not really partial to even including private schools in the conversation with all their extra advantages i

Campbell Co is a great team, No doubt! Dynasty, is a mighty strong word. Would you really consider them as a Woodford Co when they have what 22 or so championships? Campbell Co is loaded with great talent, and have put together a great youth and middle school feeder program. They will be great for years, that is very evident. Please wait to label them "dynasty" until they pull it off.

OK just to set the record straight

Woodford has 13 titles 5 in the 70's 4 in the 90's and 4 in the 00's

Union has 6 titles 1 in the 70's 2 in the 80's 2 in the 00's and 1 in the 10's

North Hardin has 4 titles 1 in the 60's 2 in the 70's and 1 in the 80's

Campbell has 4 titles 2 in the 90's 1 in the 00's and 1 in the 10's.

Next comes Hopkinsville, Trinity, and St. X with 3 each.

I'm not sure what a dynasty consists of But Campbell, Wooford, Union, and Trinity are perenial favorites every year.  They have down years but are always competitive.

As for the best of all time, that will always be debated.  I'm sure the 90 and 04 teams at Campbell still think they are the greatest.

Team Titles

Woodford Co.-13

UnionCo.-6

North Hardin-4

Campbell Co.-4

Hoptown-3

St.X-3

Trinity-3

3 teams with 2

9 teams with 1

GOO, you posted as I was lookng info up.

Tarzan you sound like Mpire.  

Tarzan you sound like Mpire.  

Unfortunately, you are correct. Bumstead, thx for the info on Rochester. I struggle to follow Michigan high school wrestling as they still use the old weight classes. Why they don't conform with the new rules is beyond me. When they travel out of state they must abide by the "new" classes. However, when an out of state team comes to Mi the out of state team is required to follow the old classes. I think it makes it difficult to accurately evaluate. I see the new weight classes as good and bad. The lower weights, especially 103, needed to be adjusted. However, the upper weights have traditionally been the weakest classes. The new structure essentially adds another class to the upper weights (weaker) while taking one away from the lower classes (stronger). 

"the best team Ky has ever seen the 2012 squad will go down as the team with the greatest studs ever in KY on it"..... and you still second place so remember that! you must live in a bubble, do you?

And you still second place ??? Me Tarzan Never second place !!!!2012 I think Sk or union was second lol

Hammer and Anvil , Campbell County Wins , 5 Champs , second year in a row winning the overall and taking the OW back to CC ,

Not the biggest tournament in Ohio by any means but a good time with some Southern And central Ohio teams and a good team from Mich and Sk as well this year to add some more KY talent to the mix,

Seems a lot of D1 guys lose to NAIA wrestlers even by major ,

OK just to set the record straight

 

Woodford has 13 titles 5 in the 70's 4 in the 90's and 4 in the 00's

Union has 6 titles 1 in the 70's 2 in the 80's 2 in the 00's and 1 in the 10's

North Hardin has 4 titles 1 in the 60's 2 in the 70's and 1 in the 80's

Campbell has 4 titles 2 in the 90's 1 in the 00's and 1 in the 10's.

 

Next comes Hopkinsville, Trinity, and St. X with 3 each.

 

I'm not sure what a dynasty consists of But Campbell, Wooford, Union, and Trinity are perenial favorites every year.  They have down years but are always competitive.

 

As for the best of all time, that will always be debated.  I'm sure the 90 and 04 teams at Campbell still think they are the greatest.

To add a few other points as to the all time greatest teams ever...among the highest point totals in the 32 man era 1) 2003 S.Odlham 257 

2) 2004 Campbell Co 234  3) 2002 Woodford Co. 233.5    The top 3 point totals in the 16 man era all belong to Woodford County. As far as back to back state champions the 90 &91 CC teams are matched by Union C 2007-2008, Woodford Co 96-97 & 05-06 ,Sheldon Clark 94-95,

N.Harden 68-69, Trinty 09-10 and ahrens trade 64-65  Oh yea Woodford has the only 3 peat 72,73, &74

Most of those teams scores and accomplishments were done at a time when Ky was obviously and without question behind the times as far as wrestling goes , with the exception of the Carrs who actually competed on a national level in HS , CC had three HS AA last yr and a couple on the 2012 team , even a champ each yr , and Union had a champ last yr as well , I wonder how many of those teams from back when actually wrestled up to date teams like Union Ryle CC an some other teams do now ,

The 2004 CC team had nothing remotely comparable to the 2012 team , All Americans , National Champions , College wrestlers D1 NAIA whatever , multiple x champs whith national rankings , seriously comparing the good old days wrestlers with modern day wrestlers who get it done on a national level is laughable , great to respect your history and past champs but ignorant not to look at facts and results , take the top kids from 2012 CC team compared to the top kids from the 04 team I'll take four from the 12 team and make the top four from the 04 team seem inconsequential at best , and it goes well beyond the top four , who knows if it rates amongst the best teams in Ky I'm sure it does but without doubt it is light years beyond any other CC team , as for what the 90 and 04 teams or any one else thinks or wishes or blindly believes it doesn't stack up to facts and wins against the best in the nation , not just wins against in state comp , of course some from that 12 team are not done yet so I would say the accomplishments from that years team or wrestlers are still growing . Woodford seems to have the win record locked up but I doubt even any of those teams had the number of national level noise makers the CC 12 team had on it , different measuring tools for judging success ,

As for a dynasty not sure what some consider a dynasty most would say three great yrs in a sport as in a couple championships or a few runner ups and a championship or two who knows , much easier for a private school to form a dynasty surprised that in Ky it's great teams have all been public schools union Woodford Larue CC with the private schools putting it together now and again .

Personally I admire Union a small school with a great history and great wrestlers and I'm sure my all time favorite would be Woodford with its great coaches and history of multiple titles but being around the CC team and knowing the sport somewhat it's obvious that the 12 team was special and easily CC best and a team that could compete and do well with any in the nation in a big tournament level . Having some studs who would place at any tournament in the country and some others who would win some at any tournament as well .

CC seems to be the dominant team in the state from youth up championship teams and nationally ranked kids in HS , now what happens in a few years who knows But I see great talent in youth there in Wells Moore and Yenter who could make national noise just like the big four from 12 ,

To be honest the bar is being set to the highest level possible at the moment and the youngest gun on the 2012 team will guarantee it goes down as one of the best ever teams in Ky history as he adds to the accomplishments of its numerous studs .

I can agree with the word "Dominate"... Few teams can dominate top to bottom in and out of state. They have a great youth and MS program to keep them loaded for a while

Oh guess who will get to wrestle at Franklin CC and X ,:)hope x has Recruited a 220 with some knowledge of the sport

Ungawaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

What a joke!! Ha!!

Oh guess who will get to wrestle at Franklin CC and X ,:)hope x has Recruited a 220 with some knowledge of the sport

I guess its okay for you to belittle other teams

No it's ok to hope for some competition , the belittling is done by those who shout run about and flash signs and by those who flash pictures of such unsportsmanlike conduct ,

Anything following that behavior on the matt or by fans who condone that behavior or who constantly push buttons is simply fun to some , all the trash talk about how weak 220 is and all the rest in hopes of BELITTLING an undefeated multi x state and national champ and his family will be turned back on those spouting the garbage when their own wrestlers are shown to be ridiculously inferior not a kid with broken bones in his hand losing by a point but kids who will look as if they know absolutely nothing about the sport as they are completely dominated coaches who do not shake hands with champs not wrestlers who do not shake hands with coaches will see the consequences of their own unsportsmanlike conduct and in general the most dominat wrestler to ever step foot on a Matt in the state will leave everyone in every tournament knowing that no one of his caliber will ever step foot on that same Matt again . Not that he is dominant in a weak class LOL

If I was going to belittle anyone I would mention how bad the NAIA kid on Lindseys team whooped your big D1 superstar

Does anyone have complete results for Hammer and Anvil? Was only able to find jv results.

Seems a lot of D1 guys lose to NAIA wrestlers even by major ,

...and I think we will see more of this. There is not enough D1 scholly money to go around. Some kids don't want to commit to the D1 lifestyle. Lots of great wrestlers at non D1 schools.

Does anyone have complete results for Hammer and Anvil? Was only able to find jv results.

Results at Baum's: http://www.baumspage.com/wr/wbrown/2013/2014%20Results.htm

Really glad to see Stephen Maggard back in the lineup.  Good news.

He looked good coming back from a brief layoff as did Turner . With only one serious injury keeping a starter out now a few banged up who were never out and those returning looking fairly sharp things are not looking do bad for CC as they did a few weeks ago . I guess this weekend will be a better measuring stick for where some teams stand .

As for compairing teams of old with ones of today it's easy to say they would not compair to wrestlers of today. Yes the training, knowledge, Diets, and technologies have changed. But Tarzan, You have not been

around wrestling long enough to have any Knowledge of the histories of Kentucky wrestling.A Jeff Fitch

who dominated his class Just as easly as ATM. He would sit by himself and read books until his name was called, go out and pin the guy then sit back down to his book. Newport Catholic was a private school who had some remarkable state champs Rick Barker 3x state champ, Mark hennessy. They spent most of the year wrestling in the catholic league in cincinnati stX,Moller Elder & the like. CC wrestlers would, after their practice go down to Northern Kentucky University and practice with the college wrestlers.Then go to the Y swim and sit in the sauna to lose a few more lbs. Our parents were gust as proud of us as you are of your boys. They saved their money to send us to camps, travel to matches, my father never missed one single match I ever had he would take his vacation to watch me. as I did when my son wrestled. The matches have always been as exciteing and thrilling from one generation of parents to the next. But as for me, & You can ask coach B. But in a duel match the 04 team beats the 12. you can have your doubts but remember. you were not there to see them both. The 04 team had more seniors and experience. yes the 12 team would win some matches. but top to bottom, Bankempers son, the hienz cousins, and co. would prevail.

Newport central Holic , you must be joking , and you life in a fantasy world , ATM has wrestled across the country I doubt anyone from NCC ever made it out of ohio or ky let alone win national titles at every level of the sport like ATM has , I have been around for over a decade coached more matches than most HS coaches and seen the best youth jr high and HS wrestlers in the country comparing thrm to some has been program that couldn't keep a team makes me laugh when you bring up someone from it , and no you or anyone else has not seen anyone dominate like ATM has in Ky your ridiculous

Newport central Holic , you must be joking , and you life in a fantasy world , ATM has wrestled across the country I doubt anyone from NCAA ever made it out of ohio or ky let alone win national titles at every level of the sport like ATM has , I have been around for over a decade coached more matches than most HS coaches and seen the. Eat youth he high and HS wrestlers in the state some has been program that couldn't keep a team makes me laugh when you bring up someone from it , and no you or anyone else has not seen anyone dominate like arm has in Ky your ridiculous

You may be wrong, you may be right. Comparing the present with the past will never be known 100% no matter what. Pure speculation.

And I personally think the 90 CC team was better than the 04 team.  The upper wt.s were mean and dominating.
But there is no way to compare these teams. 

I also think that Troy Cole from Conner may have been the best that I ever saw in NKY.

But these are just my opinions and everyone knows opinions are like butt holes everyone has there own.

Here is where I do have to agree with Tarzan.  Going up the weight classes you have Boston, Trae, Brock. Fauz, ATM.  I have seen Kentucky wrestling for 30 years and can't remember a time when this many nationally ranked high school kids were in the state at the same time.  Sure you had a handful of them, even one wrestle in the Dapper Dan and in the Olympics.  However, let's be honest, you likely have 4 D1 recruits this year...with ATM a certainty next year.  That's at least 5 D1 signees in the state tournament, with possibly more before it's over...not to mention NAIA signees.  This year is really packed with talent...and at the national level.  More than I have ever seen in Kentucky at one time. 

One question, Tarzan, I expect ATM can win high school nationals and I certainly expect him to get D1 offers (may have them coming already).  Will he wrestle heavyweight next year to prepare for college?  Not sure what his natural weight is and where he will expect to wrestle in college.  Since we are all proud of him and his accomplishments, and we will be proud to say he represented Kentucky when he is winning big in college, we are already interested in how you think he might start preparing for college wrestling.

Bulldog you alway say the 90 team was so good "pribably because you had more to do with it or were a part if it "and i assume they were but there wasn't a nationally ranked kid on it and no one the caliber of Yenter Fausz Stephen or Austn you county guys might as well get it through your skull ATM is the first , best ever from day 1 !!!! And he's a good kid raised to do it right .

And not 1 kid on that team or any who have ever wrestled for CC would or could beat Austin at his best so far or even as a fresh and he hasn't seen his best HS days yet get serioous throwing that heavy weight comment out there lol

I'm still trying to fathom the NCC comment now it's not just good teams but non existent teams who had guys who could hang with a soon to be 4 xer and multiple x champ Omg some people have no respect or no clue either one doesn't matter .

Best you ever saw once again your homer for the oldies , except I think your leaving out the Carrs who probably were the best ,

Now on paper and not just in state I'm talking from the age of six till he graduates No ONE HAS ATMs record No ONE ,and at his weight not under 170 or whatever , I really don't have to toot his horn he's about to be a three timer and be undefeated for three straight yrs in HS comp knocking down two hs nat titles along the way to go along with his youth and hr high nat titles ,something No ONE has eve done as a jR in ky ,

90 lol

And while that NCC guy may have been reading books ATM and his brother we're being coached by Olympians and NCAA nat champs for more yrs than any NCC guy even wrestled hahahahahahahh

No one will even realize just how good ATM iis untill he's in college and no HS kid in Ky ever has a chance of even remotely copying what he has done ,

As for colleges it's a different story he walks around 235 a bit chunky and around 225 wrestling season till comp day not a real hvy yet not even a big 220 but I think he wants to go hvy he's a jr so he has time and with the trend in d1 redshirt ing everyone he Definatly has the time to grow into a short but legit hvy and he has lifting knowledge second to none including coaches .

Quite a few colleges I wouldn't be surprised to see him with Boston or somewhere there )

Abouts Iowa St is impressive I like their confidence and ATM has always been infatuated with Iowa , maybe see him in a Princeton singlet lol he was very flattered to get contacted by them , thinks hes a genius now or something . Big Huskers Fan , and he's hoping for a couple more

He could easily go hvy next yr but might just say at 220 for the clean sweep , no problem wrestling who ever wins state at hvy though if it will make bulldog a believer !!!!

NCC hahahahahahahahba

Sure nationals will get tougher and I expect him to want to try for the double in fargo !

NCC hahaahahahahahbaba

Mean and dominating lasts about 37 seconds on a good day against ATM on his avg one .

Boston and ATM at ISU, would be awesome! Kevin Jackson prepping ATM and Troy Nickerson training with Nathan, man I see NCAA AA's that KY can be proud of!

By the way.. ..CC had 1 dual loss in 1990 I know of!!!

Lol! Hmmmmmmm, I bet I know who your referring to possumdaddy.

.................meanwhile.....................back at the Hammer and Anvil..........................

Ok Otto, Hammer and Anvil conversation, ......GO.

Otto the hammer and anvil thread ended long ago !

IWIN and Tarzan, my point exactly. I see a new post in this thread only to find it to has nothing to do with the tourney. Per usual, another thread hijacked.

Oh Otto, don't be such a Debbie downer. I'm sure all of your wrestling forums up north ALWAYS stay on topic. So sorry to carry on conversation. From now on we will always stay on topic......scouts honor. Haha, scouts, not too much honor there anymore.

No hijacking the thread went elsewhere no need for more of your personal attacks questions and opinions were asked and given the hammer and anvil was over long ago doesn't matter if a thread stays on topic it's not a forum rule we could talk about anything on any thread if it wanders that way ???per usual your crybabying is more like it ,don't be so sore about the way things are going

State champs 12 , state dual champs and state runners up 13 , I will let you know this weekend or in a few weeks if I consider them a dynasty for sure , a team that dominates in any sport for three yrs in a row I would consider a dynasty ,

A team that dominates a region for a few yrs could be considered a dynasty , it all depends on your criteria , but if a team could be runners up three times in a row to different teams I would consider them a dynasty even without the win .But the W makes it official .state champ team with nationally ranked kids and champs , duh yeah that's a dynasty even in any haters book .

Hey I'm a sucker for nostalgia.  I still think that Babe Ruth was the best baseball player and Micheal Jordan the best basketball player.

Oh I know the 90 team would lose to the three or 4 big names on the 12 team (ATM would have to sit the dual out because there was no 220 in 90) LOL.  (and no bumpig wt. classes).

When I compare teams I try and think what they would do in that era with that era's knowledge.  (Meaning if the new teams go back they would get the same training as the old teams and vice versa) 

Bulldog, I know what your saying but there can always an arguement to either side. It's fun to speculate, but there is never a true way to say for sure what would happen. For instance, take Joe Carr Jr at 119 vs Nathan Boston at 120. I can debate both sides as to who would win. I've got my opinion, but it is strictly my opinion. I would say that for the most part, our elite wrestlers today are better than our elite from yesteryear. Just like in 10 years our elite guys will be better than the ones from today. Isn't that what we as coaches and parents want? To teach our next generation better than what we were taught? Just like a parent always strives to do a better job than our parents did. Nothing is wrong with that. Sometimes we are successful, sometimes we are not. But we always continue to try. The debates are fun, but really there is no need to argue them. State your opinion and move on.

I talked to bandkamper at ms regionals today and told him about the debate. He said he might have to give a slight edge to the 04 team. He said that team never lost a dual or tournament. He did also mention the 90-91 team. Campbell county has a great tradition. I'm sure they have a few more tough teams coming in the future.

The perfect team , what a dream , I don't think Bankamper goes for perfect seasons anymore I would love to debate this with him , most of the tournaments CC does in the beginning of the year they could never win they have 3 kids in one weight and three with forfeits and JV tournys with the weights that are absent in the varsity with 3 wrestlers in those on the same days ???, not what I call going for the w , and the 04 team didn't wrestle the schedule of the 12 ,13 team not even close , they would have gotten hammered at GMVWA against a Graham or some of the others , a perfect schedule against a weaker field ? Not a better team at all but hey he's the coach that's his call his opinion , probably not as much scandal on that 04 team with transfers and all either lol , no Sam no ATM and I don't know but I would bet no nationally ranked kids like them and Fausz who helped coach win a NHSCA coach of the yr award !!!!no JR Sr Fresh Soph AA , no Fargo placers , no Big school recruits like Yenter ,

No 3 or 4 timers No one who could take out top tournaments in Ohio with first period pins week after week , no fans from that time watching the wrestlers from that team on the big ten network lol

Ah the good old days , now I am depressed ,absence makes the heart grow fonder , pins and wins against the best write history , ten or eleven yrs from now history buffs will remember teams from CC that actually beat and won big tournys in Ohio leading The way I doubt anyone remembers CC first ever Sr All American but I am sure they will remember his brother CC first ever three timer and four timer and a bit more about him .and when thinking back on a twelve team with four state champs that had so many who would win and win state again on it the 12 team will stand out quite a bit with so many firsts on it .

And the questions and taunts of transfer and where will they go next will be forgotten , being replaced with one word - Four ,

Pick your favorite teams everyone will have their own of course people will choose the ones with those closest to them if it's possible "if that answers any questions about any and everyone " but in the end facts wins and awards will answer all questions and remove all doubts , in a world of limited knowledge of the sport and media that caters to the unknowing about a sport that most do not understand it's not very hard to create great athletes or teams from what those who actually understand the sport would actually agree with , in other words leading the blind is no great feat , good thing even the blind can count and understand a word UNDEFEATED and bulldog ATM was forced to wrestle 220 when he could of and still could make 195 he would have won four at any weight he chose from 182 up !!!

and had some of the weaker hearted kids on CC team have made weight and Its scandalous coaching dads had not sabatoged the weight plans of the team forcing a kid to stay below their state weight untill a week before the state tournament CC may well have won two in a row instead of use it's top scorer from the yr before as a scapegoat for its lose and the failings of its non transfer wrestlers -

Like I said, you don't know anything about Ky wrestling. Jeff Fitch Was a 3x state champ from Woodford Co. Not Newport Catholic. Also could you get somebody to show you how to use spellcheck? Grammer and punctuation would also help tremendously when trying to decipher your unusually

long rants.

it was only a joke about the no bumping wt. classes.  Wow someone can't take a joke.

So in other words , I debunked all your comments and made people actually face old fantasy with modern facts and you with your self proclaimed superior knowledge of the sport past and present as well as your superior typing / English skills resorted to personal attacks on ones writing skills lol , I don't know Fitch or anyone else from NCC who wrestled you were talking about NCC and threw a name out , and before you question someone's knowledge of my wrestling you should question your own on wrestling as a whole or in the nation unlike yourself and most in KY I do not measure my own or a team on how well they do in such a limited space or against such limited comp , as for training or wrestling in the catholic leauge I know two brothers from CC who dominated it one still has all the underclassmen records in it and dominated the whole state winning the CIT with ease by pin in the finals as a fresh , both of whom still remain the most winning duo in jr high and underclassmen. History in southern Ohio an one who is about to be the most winningest wrestler in KY history ,don't preach to me "pun intended " about some now defunct team that practiced with teams in Cincy that the 12 team had a member of whom dominated , it simply proves my case for what team and kids were better . The walls of the GCLs most dominat team are littered with the accomplishments of a fesh at the time who blew away conp on that CC 12 team and no one on the 09 or 04 team or few if any ever won as many HS tournaments in as many leagues or states as he did , I'm still laughing about the NCC posts and now the 90 and 04 ones as well , and as for coaching and training someone has done a decent job of it as well with their own sons lol

It ain't golf but I'm shouting FOUR and it silences all the noise from the hecklers and doubters . And people like yourself who falsely claim that anyone from the past they have seen dominated as easily ,one more yr and it's not only four but UNdefeated and if anyone is thinking well we will push ATM up to iron man since our homies are out of harms way to lose that streak to preserve some glimmer of hope for the future and the hometown boys it's all good ATM will simply stay off the cc gridiron and dominate the iron Man , simply tell him your plans ahead of time , sending a football player to iron man with only a couple weeks to prepare is wrestling suicide no one else in ky history could dream of it after a football season .

You totally misjudge how good someone actually is or the true confidence some have in their ability . The best is the best period not just in Ky , no running to avoid comp no dodging weights or anyone else that's what the big Gcl south your so proud of did when they bumped CC from entering their beloved Swowca to avoid their champs getting beaten , another joke after you talking smack about teams of yesteryear training with x and the rest of the gcl hahahahah

You are lost in this sport simply one of the blind I spoke of earlier being led ,but it's okay ATM is shedding some light on the sport for you

And yeah Otto that means all your fav southwest Ohio teams we're scared $heetless!!

To know everything about where ky wrestling is and nothing about it's history is rather limited knowlage. Kyle Ruschell, 2x state champ and one of the most decorated college wrestlers ky ever had. 4X qualifier for NCAA Champoinships 2X all american. Asst. coach at Wisconsin. Wrestled for Ryle. His father and another of his coachs both wrestled for Newport Catholic. if you would do more reading and less writeing on this web site you

could learn a lot of the history your sons will one day be a part of.

Kyle is awesome but he is not his dad lol , or his brother and now you are talking college not HS and comparing it to kids who are in HS or just out of it , and I don't have to read anything I lived it been there while it happened , I don't need to read or write I have trained coached and travelled seen two of those camels wrestle the best in the country for yrs saw Kyle wrestle fr and gr state in HS while two brother won fr gr state , actually set across from him while he coached his brother against Sam and Sam won handily , doesn't mean anything has nothing to do with a dynasty or who the best HS wrestler / wrestlers are or were .and again NCC lol ,

Here I will name drop a few kida for you that I have seen a couple CC kids from that team wrestle win and lose against , Tuma , Dance , Whitford , Collica , Bright , Tucker , Chisko , Jordan , Jordan , Martin ,Schafer on and on and on Chakonis , Robinson Harding Heil , and on and on ,you actually think I just write stuff up without backing it with facts ????

As for HS I would put a two time fargo AA up against a two time ky state champ any day as far as cred and a doubler against any three timer ?? If you want to talk college give Someoe a chance to actually graduate HS first lol ,

So tell me how many undefeated nationally ranked kids did NCC produce , I don't know but let me answer for you --0-- as in not even close .

If you would have done more coaching training and travelling over the last ten yrs you wouldn't make such ridiculous comparrison ,

You compare some guy who read then wrestled to a youth jr high and HS nat champ who has been trained by multiple x nat champs and Olympians , not that you have to have ever wrestled to raise champs

I know someone who never wrestled a day in HS and his kids have won quite a few titles lol

Guess your an NCC homer sorry about your team they don't even have one let alone a few nat ranked kids .

Your lack of real knowledge of the sport is evident name dropping Ruschell is pretty much your last ditch effort to say whatever it is you are trying to , bottom line CC is a dynasty and there is not or has never been an ATM an Sam for that matter in Ky HS history , no one from the CC 04 team or 90 team and no one who ever wrestled at NCC kids .

I know a little about History Kyle placed at NHSCA Sr nationals and that put him on the map

Sam placed at Fargo before he ever set foot in HS but was on the map way before that , an he placed at NHSCAs twice he Fausz and ATM all placed there last yr and ATM won it for the second yr in a row , care for some more history lessons ,

How's that spell checker working for ya? Oh by the way, I was never associated with Newport Catholic.

poor guess though. But I was around for the first ever undefeated state champ CC ever had. Jimmy Porter.

I don't think anyone has doubted ATM's supperiority over anyone on any of the past CC teams.  The discussion was the team not the individual.  Having 3-4 studs on the team does not win the dual if you lose the rest of the matches. (not saying that would happen). 

Once you get past ATM, SAM, Yenter and Fausz (All definate wins on the 12 team).  That is when the debating begins.  Who wins the other 9-10 matches in the dual?  (only 13 wt classes in 90).

no one is trying to degrade anyone or any team.  It's fun to discuss these topics.  Nothing more.

Guess what ,you were around for KYs not just CCs first ever Fresh undefeated state champ over 170lbs it's first ever soph undefeated state champ at 220 it's first ever fresh nat champ it's first ever fresh nat champ and Ow winner ,

And guess what:) if your lucky you might make it around to see CC first ever 3 x state champ - and before I forget hes totally undefeated all throughout HS ,

Not to concerned with spell checker more concerned with winning

Oh yeah I forgot FOUR coming up alway set the bar so high everyone else can only look up .

Well put that 12 team in a legit dual with nothing but national stud and I have no doubt who would come out ahead , Frank Mathews Sparh Turner and the rest all hold their own ,

I agree whole heartedly Bull-dog. like when Mike Nolan from CC beat the returning 2X state champ Cooper from SK in the finals at 152 in 04 (anyone else remember that match ?)He was not going to be denied.

Now ,before you say anything Tarzan, I would give the edge to SAM over Nolan. And by the way, Nolan's father

also named Mike won state While wrestling for NCC.

Gotta go now, History lesson is over for today class.

Yeah I would give the edge to Sam over both Nolan's and anyone who ever walked up the hill to set in a desk at NCC . Considering he was the first person in the history of CC to ever win state titles in two states three AA s in Fargo and two at NHSCA s place at iron man as a fresh Powerade dominate Cit and get four pins and a tech at state yeah pretty much a no brainer .

As for history Sam was not really a transfer he graduated from the same school district he started in , just an interesting fact and he wrestles in college in the state he was born in .

And History is written by Champions and those that make it , ATM is quite the historian .

I'm sorry did someone just call a state runner up team the greatest team in Ky history??

I'm sorry did someone with 12 posts just say something :/$:637:! Stupid , I think it's a conversation about CC teams , but if you want to go there the twelve team has some credentials and members on it that have done some things no other Ky wrestlers have ever done and a handful who will and are wrestling at the next level , now if you want to talk best HS Wrestler bring it , you will get buried in facts wins pins OWs Rankings and an undefeated Record all while maintaining a nice grade level and a nice football career. lOl

That's great!! There were some very good wrestlers on that 2012 team. But all the individual awards in the world won't make a state runner up team better than any other team in te state EVER. So, no, someone with 12 post didn't just post something stupid. They ask a legit question and got a assanine answer!! Lol

What was the national ranking for that team??

What was the national ranking for that team??

You are without a doubt the most lacking in knowledge of wrestling information individual in the State , The CC 2012 team were not runners up they were State Champs the 2013 Team were Runners up , now who is assanine .

Not sure of where they fell in national ranking I do know they had more Nationally ranked wrestlers than the 2013 state champs !!!

My apologies all mighty Tarzan!! Lmao. That was the easiest trap ever!! Reread the posts. I never referred to the 2012 team as runner ups!! I just asked if someone called a state runner up team the best ever in state history!!! Your overly defensive bro. All you had to say was, no!! Lmao.

You are too easy!! Btw, your kids are great wrestlers. There is really no need for you to get on here and make a rear end out of your self. All the patronizing and belittling you do is completely unnecessary. ATM is probably te beat wrestler this state has ever seen but all the chest pumping you are doing makes you SEEM very classless. I could be wrong but it certainly seems that way.

Did your team cancel practice today or something , JV kids should stick to JV topics .