This had to be the biggest joke ever. Campbell County loaded up a team with all their middle school kids and three or four youth wrestlers to fill in for the 8th graders that were to old to wrestle. Then also had a team of all youth wrestlers. That basically got their asses handed to them because,they were wrestling older kids. Accept for a couple coaches I have lost all respect for the Campbell County program. Coach Moore has got to be the biggest joke of all. God help this program when Coach Bandkamper leaves.
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KY State Duals at Campbell County
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This had to be the biggest joke ever. Campbell County loaded up a team with all their middle school kids and three or four youth wrestlers to fill in for the 8th graders that were to old to wrestle. Then also had a team of all youth wrestlers. That basically got their asses handed to them because,they were wrestling older kids. Accept for a couple coaches I have lost all respect for the Campbell County program. Coach Moore has got to be the biggest joke of all. God help this program when Coach Bandkamper leaves.
Middle School kids? I'm sure baby Moore isn't a Middle School kid. I'm sure if you look at their middle school roster they are not all 7th and 8th graders. You may be upset that your wrestler didn't do as well as you would have liked. The last time I checked middle school is 7th and 8th graders, K-6 is still elementary. We are just one of the lucky states that allow our YOUTH kids to wrestle middle school.
Does anyone have the results and team points from today? How many teams participated in the CC duals ?
The ages of the kids could be up to 2001 birth year/12 yr old. I saw many young kids on CC team, it just may not appear that they are young. Of course then you look at some of those 4th grade boys that look like they are a 7th grader and all of 13, power-housing on the mat and I can see where some may think they are not young enough, but they are. Been around for a while in all the programs from youth to high and I didn't see a majority of their middle schoolers on the mats, but I did see several of them working the tables. Wrestling is a sport where you have to put the time in and I give it to CC and the other programs around because they have some very talented kids that are young.
Yes birth year up to 2001 but you shouldn't have a kid born in 04 or 05 going against a kid born in 01. Nobody gains anything by having the older kids beat up on the younger kids. There is a huge physical and mental difference between a third grader and a sixth grader. This was a bad idea all the way around.
To my understanding that is why none of the other schools showed was because they wanted a strictly youth match with out the middle school aged kids. And sixth grade is considered middle school not just 7 and 8th. It's simple if you wrestle middle school you shouldn't wrestle youth.
I personally think Ranger & the CC guys did a great job!! Wish all the teams that said they were coming would have came.
Why would the CC crew loss respect? The busted there ass setting this tourny up & then half the teams didn't show up, why because they didn't think there kids would win ?
if u want your wrestlers to get better u need to bring to wrestle kids that make them better not shy away from high level competition.
Awesome job Ranger & CC crew u have my respect!!
This had to be the biggest joke ever. Campbell County loaded up a team with all their middle school kids and three or four youth wrestlers to fill in for the 8th graders that were to old to wrestle. Then also had a team of all youth wrestlers. That basically got their asses handed to them because,they were wrestling older kids. Accept for a couple coaches I have lost all respect for the Campbell County program. Coach Moore has got to be the biggest joke of all. God help this program when Coach Bandkamper leaves.
Yes birth year up to 2001 but you shouldn't have a kid born in 04 or 05 going against a kid born in 01. Nobody gains anything by having the older kids beat up on the younger kids. There is a huge physical and mental difference between a third grader and a sixth grader. This was a bad idea all the way around.
To my understanding that is why none of the other schools showed was because they wanted a strictly youth match with out the middle school aged kids. And sixth grade is considered middle school not just 7 and 8th. It's simple if you wrestle middle school you shouldn't wrestle youth.
Put your name on it!!
Yes birth year up to 2001 but you shouldn't have a kid born in 04 or 05 going against a kid born in 01. Nobody gains anything by having the older kids beat up on the younger kids. There is a huge physical and mental difference between a third grader and a sixth grader. This was a bad idea all the way around.
To my understanding that is why none of the other schools showed was because they wanted a strictly youth match with out the middle school aged kids. And sixth grade is considered middle school not just 7 and 8th. It's simple if you wrestle middle school you shouldn't wrestle youth.
If you do a little research you will find that most of your youth duels are K-6. Maybe you should have done a little research before you entered this tournament for your kid. Maybe you should have found a Novice tournament for your little Johnny and he could have came home with a first place medal. If you want your kid to advance he/she will have to face some of the best our state has to offer. Thank you Ranger for putting this together for us.
I personally liked the idea of putting this together. I was told it was a great day of wrestling. I am sure all the teams that attended we fully aware of the ages that could participate.
Wrestling older kids is a part of wrestling. There a quite a few 4th and 5th graders wrestling middle school. Those kids will have to face 7th and 8th graders any given week. I say if a parent feels like this is to much of a disadvantage I can tell you it happends all the way through high school. I have an 8th grader who has wrestled multiple jr and seniors this year. If I felt like he could not compete or had a chance to get hurt I wouldn't let him compete. Since I don't mind him competing against older kids I'm sure not going to complain about the age difference if he loses.
Glad to see youth trying to do some different things to create tough competition for our youth wrestlers.
If it was so well put together and such a good idea then why did only three schools show up? I was told by more than one person none of the other local schools came because of the format.
As far as my son he did just fine today but that doesn't make it right. Every other event for youth wrestling is separated by ages why should this be any different? Using your logic at state this year they should take all the kids group them by weight and let them go at it. No age brackets. What do mean by put my name on it?
If it was so well put together and such a good idea then why did only three schools show up? I was told by more than one person none of the other local schools came because of the format.
As far as my son he did just fine today but that doesn't make it right. Every other event for youth wrestling is separated by ages why should this be any different? Using your logic at state this year they should take all the kids group them by weight and let them go at it. No age brackets. What do mean by put my name on it?
You are comparing a bracket tournament to a duel. They are two totally different animals. I'm getting on my soap box about our state tournament.
Pretty simple and staight forward. You make a bold statement, and call a specific individual out. So.... Put your name on it!!!
All duals tournaments operate this way. National duals will be the same. I wish we could have attended, but we just don't have the numbers at the youth level. My son is a 60 pound 5th grader. In our youth program, the next closest kid to his size is only a second grader. I would imagine that most teams around the state dont have a 60 pounder his age. He would be older than the kids he would face in a youth dual, but that's not against the rules.
He rarely wrestles kids his own age or size. He always wrestles up except at nationals. He has wrestled MS 70 all year, sometimes even 75. It's all part of seeking the best competition.
I think it was a great ideal. I like to see more of that kind of stuff done over here in KY.
What is the age/grade limitation on youth events? I've heard 12 years old and 6th grade. Haven't some 7th grade 12 year olds competed before? Just curious as to the actual rule.
Here is the eligibility statement listed on Northern KY's youth region handout.
ELGIBILITY: All entries must have a current, valid USA Wrestling card. Must be 12 years old or under as of 1/1/14. All entries must have
As someone who was there yesterday and who had a child wrestling, I have to say that I agree with the original poster. Yesterday was a joke. CC brought a majority of their middle school team, which is fine, if they are wrestling kids that have the same amount of experience and are similar in size. The actual youth that were involved in this tournament did get their asses handed to them and it was wrong and extremely discouraging for not only the kids but for the parents as well. I know from talking to some of the parents that there was a 2nd grade, 1st year wrestler who wrestled a 12 year old who had 6 years of experience. Where and why would anyone find this acceptable? How in the world would anyone expect that to be a fair match? There were several wrestlers from CC and from SK would were wrestling kids they should have never been paired up with. I get it, it's all based off of weight, but there is a difference between a 2nd grader who weighs 96 pounds and is 4'8 and a 13 year old who weights 96 pounds and is 5'4. There were MANY unhappy parents and coaches that were involved in this and to be honest, for duals next year my kid won't be signed up for it. I understand that every match they can't be paired up with someone who is their exact match in height and weight, and I'm not that kind of parent who automatically screams that things are unfair and poorly ran when their kid doesn't do well, but lets try to be a little more reasonable here. And, to boot, the older kids were laughing at these poor younger kids coming out onto the mat to wrestle. As a coach, teach your kids to have some sportsman-like respectable conduct for crying out loud.
I know that anyone who runs one of these puts in a lot of hard work and dedication, and I know the CC Wrestling staff is top notch, but, I just think this made them look like idiots. Maybe next time they have a "youth" dual, they should just bring their middle school team and let their youth compete with actual youth and not kids almost twice their age and if the match is clearly unfair and you know they are going to get pinned in under 5 seconds....don't even have them wrestle.
The joke is coming on a public forum and trashing your own coaches and event. If you have an issue be respectful and adult enough to have a discussion with the individuals involved. Openly airing your dirty laundry makes the entire program look bad. Why any parent would want to publicly tarnish your program's reputation is beyond me!
But since apparently the original poster feels it needs to be handled publicly, let's add some facts to the discussion.
20 wrestlers were listed on CC purple team roster
-12 of those wrestlers attend elementary school(K-5).
- At this point, they are eligible for any youth tournament anywhere. They are YOUTH wrestlers!
-Of the other 8, 4 of those are 1st year wrestlers and 2 of those only have 2 years experience.
-Of the 8 wrestlers who ARE NOT youth wrestlers, only 2 of those wrestler competed in the Middle School Duals on Satruday. Both are 6th graders.
Coaches discussed the potential for mismatches. I didn't coach yesterday, with the exception of a few matches where CC coaches needed to step away so I can't speak for all of the matches. But I did not see any of the experienced kids try to hurt of hiliate any less experienced kids.
Really is sort of funny to hear this mismatch concern. When we talk about it at the state tournament and not allowing the top ms kids to participate there is always a group that think it is great for these less experienced kids have the "opportunity" to wrestle a ms state champ.
As the father of a kid that wrestled much older and stronger kids his entire career because of his size I feel that I have an opinion based on living this experience. It was extremely difficult as a parent to watch your son get hammered daily for 4 years but he and I kept our mouths shut and stuck with it. He started having more success about three years ago until this year his hard work has paid off and he is now hammering instead of getting hammered. Wrestling is a long hard road, you cannot get caught up in the snapshots along the way.
Neverdid - you are absolutely right. It's a long hard road for sure and having been it this for a while with a couple of kids, it's easy to get caught up in it for sure. CC is always a great host, they have stellar coaches and are known for a great program and personally my kids have never had issues with anyone from their team or staff. Yesterday just seemed a bit hard to watch for all of our little guys and some of theirs.
Neverdid - you are absolutely right. It's a long hard road for sure and having been it this for a while with a couple of kids, it's easy to get caught up in it for sure. CC is always a great host, they have stellar coaches and are known for a great program and personally my kids have never had issues with anyone from their team or staff. Yesterday just seemed a bit hard to watch for all of our little guys and some of theirs.
As a SKY parent maybe you should talk to the person who entered and paid for your team to compete. He knew exactly the format and likely team makeup for this event. I can't speak for Shamrock or Team Spatola, but the so-called Campbell County middle school team was made up of 17 youth aged kids. In fact only 1 kid under 140 was born before 2002, so they are virtually all less than 12 and will be youth eligible next season. And the 4 total kids born in 2001 have very, very limited wrestling experience.
This was a youth dual! U take wrestlers that r youth eligible & match them by weigh & the wrestle, thats it plain & simple. Reguardless if U like it or not u the parent signed your child up for a youth dual & thats is what they wrestled in yesterday a Youth Dual.
Youth duals are regularthing in surrounding states like OH, MI, & PA & yesterday there where some
miss matches it is part of it, that doesn't mean u have to call people out because u didnt know what u put your child into
As someone who was there yesterday and who had a child wrestling, I have to say that I agree with the original poster. Yesterday was a joke. CC brought a majority of their middle school team, which is fine, if they are wrestling kids that have the same amount of experience and are similar in size. The actual youth that were involved in this tournament did get their asses handed to them and it was wrong and extremely discouraging for not only the kids but for the parents as well. I know from talking to some of the parents that there was a 2nd grade, 1st year wrestler who wrestled a 12 year old who had 6 years of experience. Where and why would anyone find this acceptable? How in the world would anyone expect that to be a fair match? There were several wrestlers from CC and from SK would were wrestling kids they should have never been paired up with. I get it, it's all based off of weight, but there is a difference between a 2nd grader who weighs 96 pounds and is 4'8 and a 13 year old who weights 96 pounds and is 5'4. There were MANY unhappy parents and coaches that were involved in this and to be honest, for duals next year my kid won't be signed up for it. I understand that every match they can't be paired up with someone who is their exact match in height and weight, and I'm not that kind of parent who automatically screams that things are unfair and poorly ran when their kid doesn't do well, but lets try to be a little more reasonable here. And, to boot, the older kids were laughing at these poor younger kids coming out onto the mat to wrestle. As a coach, teach your kids to have some sportsman-like respectable conduct for crying out loud.
I know that anyone who runs one of these puts in a lot of hard work and dedication, and I know the CC Wrestling staff is top notch, but, I just think this made them look like idiots. Maybe next time they have a "youth" dual, they should just bring their middle school team and let their youth compete with actual youth and not kids almost twice their age and if the match is clearly unfair and you know they are going to get pinned in under 5 seconds....don't even have them wrestle.
You knew about the weight classes before the event correct? You did read the information that said it was for kids 12 and under right?
If you were so upset with it why did you wrestling in it in the first place? Why wait till after the event to bring up your grievances with the event? I know why, most on this forum know why. I wont call you out on it cause its not necessary.
I know very little about the format of youth duals, so I am finding this particular thread very insightful. I know that at youth tournaments that the kids are broken up by weight and age, thus mutliple champs at similar weights. But for duals if I am understanding correctly, it is strictly by weight and any age can wrestle any age as long as they were 12 or under by 1/1/2014. I am getting it, or have I misunderstood something?
Thanks sbfraz. Seems to me, if this is the standard format that is used, and everyone knew what it was coming in, there isn't really anything to fuss about. Obviously with such a wide variety of ages, there will be potential mismatches. Seems to just be the nature of the beast.
Here's the deal: everyone is correct here. Everyone competing knew the deal coming in. Some chose not to enter because of the format. That's cool.
From high school on down, everyone is in agreement that we need/want KY wrestling to improve. It is happening. There are number of high schoolers nationally ranked. The Middle School team is respectable at national tournaments.
Our current leadership comes from CC and we are thankful for him and his family and school that lend their support.
This is our 1st attempt at fielding a Kentucky Youth Team. Actually, we are shooting to field 3 teams. This is the format, weight classes and ages that are used at these tournaments. These are the rules. Get used to it if you want to compete.
If you are doing it right, this is a sport where you have to take some lumps before being a champion.
I think a big kudos needs to go out to CC for attempting to get a state dual tournament going at the youth level. Having said that, I'll go on record as saying I'm not a huge fan of duals at the youth level. I'm sure some will blast me for my position, but I just don't like the negative consequences it brings. First, I've always enjoyed the fact that with our youth tournaments, EVERYONE gets to wrestle. Thats not the case with dual meets. When you have 50-60 kids on a team and you announce that only 20 are going to represent their team at a dual, you can pretty much guarantee that there are kids and parents that are going to feel excluded and less a part of their team. I know many will respond with "tough...that's wrestling". I don't disagree with that thinking at the middle school and high school levels. However, at youth we are still just introducing the sport to these kids and families and I really value doing everything we can to ensure the familes feel included in everything we do.
Dual meets as they were set up for this tournament, will always create scenarios of bigger mismatches than our tournaments. Most of the youth tournaments group kids by 2 year increments, separate the beginners and experienced, and have much smaller weight increments between weight classes. This obviously groups kids much closer in age, weight, and experience than what was done for this tournament where everyone was grouped in one age group and the weight classes were set in 5lb increments for the most part. Hence, this is why I have no objection to youth kids who qualify and place for middle school state also competing at youth state. When as a wrestler will you ever be grouped more closely to your peers than during youth under our format? However, in the dual format, you could realistically have a first year wrestler who is in the 3rd grade wrestle a middle school state qualifer who is in the 6th grade who weighs almost 5lbs more (maybe more if he's cutting weight to make varsity for his middle school team)....that's not a good situation. If we go more down the dual path, more coaches are just going to fill their line up with warm bodies just to have a full team. This will increase the likelihood of major mismatches, which I doubt anyone wants.
I guess I question what we are trying to accomplish with a state dual tournament. I think it possibly could be great for the kids and families or it could just cause a lot of unwanted drama for everyone. I know our team elected to skip this tournament for a multitude of reasons to compete in a very tough tourament in Ohio, but I would like to see us iron out the kinks on this thing. Again, kudos to those who put it together.
Like, I said~ some chose not to compete because of this. that's cool.
No matter what, 99.9% on here are in agreement of our leadership and that is what got this thread to strike a chord.
Like, I said~ some chose not to compete because of this. that's cool.
No matter what, 99.9% on here are in agreement of our leadership and that is what got this thread to strike a chord.
99.9% might be a little high considering they are the NKY Mafia....but I hear what you are saying
Youth are great venue for kids that r willing to take a lump & bruise to get better. Every kid had 5 matches yesterday even if the child lost all 5 matches they got more time on the mat than going 2 & out in a bracket tourny & as long as they did there best the did get s little better & a little tougher ad a wrestler.
Hell I drive 125miles round trip to wrrstling practice just to get myboys beat up !! ;-)
NKY Mafia.... I love it.... I'm sure if any one else in the state wants to jump in and help at the youth and MS level the so called NKY Mafia would gladly except the help
NKY Mafia.... I love it.... I'm sure if any one else in the state wants to jump in and help at the youth and MS level the so called NKY Mafia would gladly except the help
Man, those dudes don't even where the Italian restaurants are.
What type of initiation does one need to go through in order to become part of the NKY Mafia? I could be a hinchman for Roth. He seems poised to be the next Boss.
The dude has got inside connections if you know what I mean!
There's a dinner meeting in Newport at Nuova Villa Tammaro to get the details.
~Pete Clemensa
There's a dinner meeting in Newport at Nuova Villa Tammaro to get the details.
~Pete Clemensa
On your drive down, you might want to bust a U-turn on the Brent Spence Bridge to make sure you shake off any irate Eastern Ketucky coaches or parents from tailing you. I'd also check the bathrooms for any guns taped behind the toilets just to be sure.
I don't see what all the crying is about. If you showed up at the event with a 95lb 8 year old you knew there was a chance he would wrestle a 12 year old 95lb kid. Quit your crying!! I wish I would have known about this event. I would have made a attempt to bring my kids.
I think this is a great way to move te sport forward and find some quality matches.i hope to see youth duals catch on in the state!!
There was some good wrestling yesterday, but disappointed the Braves (Grant County) team was not there. Would like to see how there three youth girl hammers would have performed.
Thanks C.C. for getting the ball rolling on State Duals. I wish we had more notice...if so, we would have been there.
It's not too early to think about next year. Ranger and I had a looooong conversation today regarding possible ideas. I recommended different weight classes. Although we absolutely do not want to discourage anyone from participating, I think it is odd to punish teams for not having 160, 190, and 230 lbers at the Youth level. I know the weight classes deterred some teams from attending.
Also, I'm hearing some concerns w/ "elite" kids participating. I have no issues w/ MS kids participating, as long as they fit the age requirement. We could offer a Novice division for 1st/2nd year programs and/or B teams. As mentioned, we don't want to scare kids/parents off and I can't think of a better way to do that than pair a MS stud up w/ an inexperienced kid who's not ready. It's one thing if it's happening in the practice room....it's another when the spotlight is on them w/ their whole team watching. I understand that doesn't appeal to my "two men enter, one man leaves" wrestling buddies out there, but please try to remember...not every parent/kid is as psycho as you are! Most of these kids are still in the trial phase of wrestling.
We also need to do a better job distributing the information. We didn't hear about this until 2 weeks ago. Hopefully next year this becomes one of the premier youth tournaments in the state.
Thanks C.C. for getting the ball rolling on State Duals. I wish we had more notice...if so, we would have been there.
It's not too early to think about next year. Ranger and I had a looooong conversation today regarding possible ideas. I recommended different weight classes. Although we absolutely do not want to discourage anyone from participating, I think it is odd to punish teams for not having 160, 190, and 230 lbers at the Youth level. I know the weight classes deterred some teams from attending.
Also, I'm hearing some concerns w/ "elite" kids participating. I have no issues w/ MS kids participating, as long as they fit the age requirement. We could offer a Novice division for 1st/2nd year programs and/or B teams. As mentioned, we don't want to scare kids/parents off and I can't think of a better way to do that than pair a MS stud up w/ an inexperienced kid who's not ready. It's one thing if it's happening in the practice room....it's another when the spotlight is on them w/ their whole team watching. I understand that doesn't appeal to my "two men enter, one man leaves" wrestling buddies out there, but please try to remember...not every parent/kid is as psycho as you are! Most of these kids are still in the trial phase of wrestling.
We also need to do a better job distributing the information. We didn't hear about this until 2 weeks ago. Hopefully next year this becomes one of the premier youth tournaments in the state.
This all sounds great. The other thing I think should be added is age and grade. IMO I don't see the need for a 7th grader to wrestle in a youth tournament. It should be K-6 plus the age cut off.
As someone who was there yesterday and who had a child wrestling, I have to say that I agree with the original poster. Yesterday was a joke. CC brought a majority of their middle school team, which is fine, if they are wrestling kids that have the same amount of experience and are similar in size. The actual youth that were involved in this tournament did get their asses handed to them and it was wrong and extremely discouraging for not only the kids but for the parents as well. I know from talking to some of the parents that there was a 2nd grade, 1st year wrestler who wrestled a 12 year old who had 6 years of experience. Where and why would anyone find this acceptable? How in the world would anyone expect that to be a fair match? There were several wrestlers from CC and from SK would were wrestling kids they should have never been paired up with. I get it, it's all based off of weight, but there is a difference between a 2nd grader who weighs 96 pounds and is 4'8 and a 13 year old who weights 96 pounds and is 5'4. There were MANY unhappy parents and coaches that were involved in this and to be honest, for duals next year my kid won't be signed up for it. I understand that every match they can't be paired up with someone who is their exact match in height and weight, and I'm not that kind of parent who automatically screams that things are unfair and poorly ran when their kid doesn't do well, but lets try to be a little more reasonable here.
then you should have found a tournament that had separate age categories. many open tourneys have them. duals do not.
Thanks for the compliment from Bandwagon!
Not that anyone cares but my 2 cents:
The Braves are a true youth club. When I heard the format, I knew we could not compete. My goal is to inspire young men and women to love this sport. This format would have done more harm than good at this point. I absolutely loved the idea at first, just would not have worked for us.
Thanks for the compliment from Bandwagon!
Not that anyone cares but my 2 cents:
The Braves are a true youth club. When I heard the format, I knew we could not compete. My goal is to inspire young men and women to love this sport. This format would have done more harm than good at this point. I absolutely loved the idea at first, just would not have worked for us.
I respect your view and approach. You have to do what is best for your team.
But I do have a couple questions, since the CC purple team was characterized as a middle school team and you referred to a "true youth team".
Isn't a youth team defined by age? Only 4 of those kids were even 12 (winning a total of 3 matches). So nearly all 11 and under. Isn't that the definition of youth? Just because they choose to practice and compete mostly with our middle school team, to push themselves and advance in the sport, how does that graduate them from youth.
Ranger. I respect your club and choice to wrestle kids in ms. That's awesome! My true youth comment simply meant we don't have a ms program. We are a 2nd year youth club. I will start a ms program next year then you can beat up on us. Lol. I am so thankful for the CYW program letting Ky youth clubs compete. That in my opinion has completely helped Ky wrestling
Ranger. I respect your club and choice to wrestle kids in ms. That's awesome! My true youth comment simply meant we don't have a ms program. We are a 2nd year youth club. I will start a ms program next year then you can beat up on us. Lol. I am so thankful for the CYW program letting Ky youth clubs compete. That in my opinion has completely helped Ky wrestling
That is great to hear. We've been anticipating that for a couple years. Already have you worked into district alignment plans. You have done a great job with the youth down there; expect nothing less with the ms kids. I'm sure they will compete just fine.
Just a few more tidbits on the "middle school team" from CC that wrestled yesterday. 16 kids who practiced and competed at least once with the ms team wrestled yesterday. 9 of them have losing ms records and a couple others are just above .500. So we didn't have a bunch of old kids and didn't bring in a bunch of ms level hammers.
And i made this a joke by doing what again?
[insert crickets, chirp, chirp]
Kind of like the response to putting your name behind an insult.
Floyd Central across the River from Louisville puts on a great youth duals. Union County and several of the Louisville/Oldham schools have gone there the last few years. It's the same setup.
We as coaches need to use our heads. 100 lb 3rd graders are usually "bigger" kids and haven't the athletic ability to compete with a 100 lb experienced 6th grader who is a fourth year wrestler. I'm not saying not to let the kids wrestle, just use our common sense to keep them safe.
More wrestling and events designed for youth can't be a bad thing. 11 and 12 year old 6th graders are certainly "youth" in my opinion.
As for the timing, I sent a message out to the listserve on December 10 with a flyer and weight classes. I know some coaches have experienced issues with the list serve (myself included) but I know a ton of coaches saw the message because I had a bunch of responses regarding working tables at state. And NO ONE contacted me with issues about anything until right before the event and that was one guy (and he is a raider so it doesn't count, just kidding).
This all sounds great. The other thing I think should be added is age and grade. IMO I don't see the need for a 7th grader to wrestle in a youth tournament. It should be K-6 plus the age cut off.
Most youth dual meets have both a age requirment 12u and grade cut off 6th grade. Not saying it's fair but that's how most but not all are ran.
Youth Duels can be a bit of headache but in the end most of the kids enjoy the different format from the normal tourney. Every year Glen Este wrestles a Battle for 32 against Western Brown (youth vs youth, MS vs MS, HS vs HS) and my youth kids absolutly love it. Even if they lose their match they still have a chance to win through the team. As for weight classes get with Mason they do an excellent job at running Mason super duels and the weight classes are on par with most youth squads.
Most youth dual meets have both a age requirment 12u and grade cut off 6th grade. Not saying it's fair but that's how most but not all are ran.
The youth regional and state tournament here in KY only use the age requirement. No grade requirement. There are many 7th graders that participate every year.
I know but the regionals and youth state is a age bracketed tournament. I was talking about duals not bracketed tournaments.
Yeah the grade thing makes no sense to me. Hold backs are so common these days. How can we argue with a straight face that it ok for a 12 year old 6th grader (who maybe was held back) to compete at youth but not a 12 year old 7th grader. In many systems those kids actually go to the same school.
After having time to cool down and look back at what I wrote I would like to apologize to coach Moore for making it personal. That was uncalled for and for that I do apologize. I still don't think it does anybody any good to match 8 year olds against 12 year olds. But I am sorry I let my anger get the best of me and I do apologize.
After reading all of this, the Team Kentucky Youth Trials are less than a month a way. I owe you all a flyer (thanks sbraz) and will get one out soon. No age groups, just weight classes so we can field the best team possible. Looking to have practice facilities throughout the state for the month of March to get kids together.
Carr Wrestling Academy and Coach Miracle have volunteered to assist and possibly coach at the events.
For updated information: There are over 40 teams from 27 different states going to the tournament in Nebraska. We are hoping to take 2 teams. It will be competitive. We may lose some mismatches, but we will put Kentucky Youth Wrestling on the mat with the caliber of kids we have in this state.
Would also like to send a team to Kingsport Tennessee on the same day to show the AAU National Duals what Kentucky has.
Ranger did a great thing to get the ball rolling in the right direction. He will be an instrumental part in helping me get this off of the ground. (By the way, I am in E-Town and not from NKY so that may hinder some of your mafia comments....they have let an outsider in)
Ranger will talk more on Saturday about the way forward.
If a coaches biggest complaints in a year are his team is too tough, then he probably is doing the right thing with his team. Good problem to have!
What will the grade limit be? 6th or 7th grade.
AAU it appears to be 2001 birth year is the oldestWhat will the grade limit be? 6th or 7th grade.
Heartland USA National Duals is K-6th
AAU in Kingsport is 1st-5th
We will run one trials team tourney and 1-3 have guaranteed slots. Their grade will have some influence on which team they are on. We will have some alternates that will go and get some matches at both events.
Sounds good Ky should be able to field a good group of kids to compete in these tournaments. I for one am glad Ky has decided to field these teams.
Rules are rules but just dont seem right a fifth or sixth grader that was born in 2001 can be eligible but a seventh grader the same age is ineligible cause hes in seventh grade.
AGREED!!Rules are rules but just dont seem right a fifth or sixth grader that was born in 2001 can be eligible but a seventh grader the same age is ineligible cause hes in seventh grade.
After having time to cool down and look back at what I wrote I would like to apologize to coach Moore for making it personal. That was uncalled for and for that I do apologize. I still don't think it does anybody any good to match 8 year olds against 12 year olds. But I am sorry I let my anger get the best of me and I do apologize.
We all do have to relearn the cooling off period. Its an every other year thing for me.