I just saw that the coaches association preseason rankings are out.  They are basically the state tournament results without the seniors.  Anyone want to bet which set of preseason rankings are closer?

I'm going by your ranking Ranger. They are way more accurate. Coomes is too busy with administration and coaching to keep the rankings accurate. I think most will look at yours.

Just a friendly jab at Coach Coomes.  I have to do that given that he blew me off when I approached him about coordinating our efforts.

i just went to kentuckywrestling.org and i couldnt find them on there they wre from last year.

i just went to kentuckywrestling.org and i couldnt find them on there they wre from last year.

They are always sent to the coaches to view first.

i just went to kentuckywrestling.org and i couldnt find them on there they wre from last year.

He hasn't posted them on the web yet, just an email distribution.

ok thanks guys i want to see them but ill bet yours are better Ranger i like them...

Here you go, have fun!!!!

Kentucky Wrestling Coaches Association

Individual

103

Travis Sullivan Wayne Co 11

Adam Carr Union Co 12

Shane Parks Woodford Co 11

John Voth Dunbar 11

Elliott Martin Seneca 11

Josh Burkett Fern Creek 11

James Badgett Bullitt Central 11

Andre Zeppa North Oldham 11

Aaron Carr Union Co 10

Tristen Hines Larue Co 10

Dalton Evans Whitley Co 11

Ben Joseph Anderson Co 10

Nick Reichmuth PRP 10

Bobby Vaughn Simon Kenton 10

Scott Deschamp Manual 10

Casey Chitwood Ryle 10

TJ Bates Conner 9

112

Coty Lewis Woodford Co 11

Josh Johnson North Hardin 9

Joaquin Luna Eastern 10

Cody Van Zant Wayne Co 11

Carpenter Fraser Montgomery Co 11

Cory Spencer Johnson Central 11

Lucas Carman Larue Co 11

Matt Zarth Henry Clay 10

Gabe Supe Scott 11

Antonio Zeppa North Oldham 12

Mason Bradbury Central Hardin 10

Korey Shotwell Campbell Co 9

Andrew Isler Ryle 12

Jeff Warra Seneca 10

Steve Vaughn South Oldham 10

Brian Alexander Henderson Co 9

119

Tyler Voth Dunbar 12

Caleb Wood Fern Creek 12

Isaac Ervin Union Co 10

John Chiu Seneca 11

Bryan Daniels Wayne Co 11

Cliff Cornett Henry Clay 12

Darwin Perez Larue Co 12

Corey Mills PRP 11

Dusty Brown Simon Kenton 10

Talon Deinlein Campbell Co 11

Justin Pitcher John Hardin 11

Nick Norwood St Xavier 12

Kendrick Jones Ballard 12

Ross Engle Central Hardin 11

Kenny Watkins Trinity 11

125

Ben Warner Oldham Co 12

Matt Eck North Hardin 12

Dan Fuller Seneca 12

Jake Wempe Union Co 11

Rashad Brown Conner 12

Jordan Freeman Johnson Central 10

Sam Mitchell Caldwell Co 10

Michael Seeders Fairdale

Forest Rehrig Nelson Co 12

Zack McGuffey Simon Kenton 12

Crayton McClain Moore 12

Cassidy Veach John Hardin 11

Derek Branch Fern Creek 11

130

Brian Peace Ryle 11

Malcolm Jackson Fern Creek 12

Brandon Howard Sheldon Clark 12

Alex Allman Lafayette 12

Steven Butler Woodford Co 12

Paul Marks Eastern 12

Tom Kusnir North Oldham Co 12

Shane Carey Anderson Co 11

Trey Morlatt Oldham Co 11

Zack Poulton Seneca 11

Brian Wasson Harrison Co 11

135

Josh Ashbrook Harrison Co 11

Matt Miller Larue Co. 11

Ben Case Trinity 12

Kyle Griffith Campbell Co 11

Chad Scott Woodford Co 11

Blake Kraft Eastern 12

Johnathan Miller Ohio Co 12

Cody Hall South Oldham 12

Justin Walls Bullitt Central 10

Ryan Dillon Conner 11

James Kilburn Wayne Co 11

Steve Rivera Central Hardin 11

140

Daniel Thueneman Scott 12

Beau Sanders Harrison Co 11

Evan Smith Larue Co. 12

John Golsby Holmes 12

Kevin Stewart Fern Creek 12

Blake Sheehan Woodford Co 11

Kacy Kennedy Wayne Co 11

Eric Musick Sheldon Clark 12

Cory Kress St Xavier 12

145

Harrison Courtney Woodford Co. 10

Patrick Banks Larue Co 12

Mitch Ervin Union Co 11

Ben Barger Fern Creek 11

Sammy Isaacs Anderson Co 11

Tim Winchester Wayne Co 11

Corey Ward Harrison Co 12

Chip Condon St Xavier 12

Jeremiah Walls Bullitt Central 10

Johnivan Oggs North Hardin 12

Mikal McNealy Eastern 11

Beau Gadegard Seneca 12

Jamal Mohammed Tates Creek 12

152

John Wolsiefer Fern Creek 11

Josh Cooper Simon Kenton 12

Scott Wheeler Larue Co. 12

Ty Wolfe North Hardin 11

Joe Collin Central Hardin 12

John Thomas Central 11

Justin Mays Woodford Co 12

160

Bryant Barnhill Larue Co 12

Adam Dials Sheldon Clark 11

Randall Stevens McCreary Co 12

Wes Combs Oldham Co 12

171

Will Starks Woodford Co 12

Mark Jones North Hardin 11

Ben Rupp Eastern 12

Mason Reid Ryle 11

Ryan Kelly Sheldon Clark 10

John Florence Trinity 12

Ryan Houchens South Oldhan Co 10

Jarrod Aull Ohio Co 12

Kyle Hardin Fern Creek 11

Jarod Singley Whitley Co 12

Ryan Harlow McCreary Co 9

189

Jacob Watson McCreary Co 12

Matt Green Apollo 11

Douglas Winter Dunbar 12

Jordan Whiting Trinity 10

Deon Chaney Fern Creek 11

Terry Turner Central Hardin 12

Zack Guiler Henry Clay 12

Steven Benson Dixie Heights 11

Joe Raleigh Valley 12

Cameron Hartman South Oldham Co 11

215

Matt Byrd Woodford Co 12

Jordan Dockery Seneca 12

Joe Embree Larue Co 12

Justin Chaffin Sheldon Clark 11

Zack Rinestine Ft Campbell 11

275

Anthony Bailey Ft Knox 11

Josh Young Oldham Co 12

Adam Burdin Ohio Co 12

Adam Patterson Scott 12

Chris Espinoza McCreary Co 12

Matt Ballinger North Hardin 12

Steve Bodenbender Ryle 12

Austin Murdock Harrison Co 12

Team

1 - Woodford Co 11 - Eastern

2 - Larue Co 12 - Ryle

3 - Fern Creek 13 - McCreary Co

4 - North Hardin 14 - Dunbar

5 - Union Co 15 - Trinity

6 - Seneca 16 - Scott

7 - Sheldon Clark 17 - Central Hardin

8 - Wayne Co 18 - Simon Kenton

9 - Harrison Co 19 - Ohio Co

10 - Oldham Co 20 - South Oldham Co

I've heard people talk about "The Rankings" referring to the KentuckyWrestling.com rankings. I think this will most likely become the trend.

ya Ranger i love you man thanks for taking the time to do them right....you gave me more motivation to work hard than those others they arent good at all....good job

Thanks to everyone for the compliments and the "constructive" criticism.  I know they aren't perfect, but I do put a good deal of effort into it and appreciate your appreciation.

Ranger 123....my coach didnt get the email about the REAL rankings...how can we see them..

Good lord.  The pre-season rankings are nice, but seriously not many of the coachs care, not even about the 'official' rankings.  When they are brought up in seeding meeting's it's the rookie coaches.  The older more experienced coaches don't care about either of them, especially about those on some internet forum.

Good lord.  The pre-season rankings are nice, but seriously not many of the coachs care, not even about the 'official' rankings.  When they are brought up in seeding meeting's it's the rookie coaches.  The older more experienced coaches don't care about either of them, especially about those on some internet forum.

That's not the point.  This isn't college football.  Do they use the rankings for anything in high school football or basketball?  No.  The point is to generate interest and discussion.  And they can also be helpful in strategy as far as a kid deciding what weight to wrestle or a coach deciding how to "shuffle" the lineup in a dual.

I will also disagree on your point that the older, more experienced coaches don't care about the rankings.  I have proof that they do care.  I get lots of feedback from coaches all across the state with many, many years of experience (and not just in KY) and they do care.  In fact, I think they have to care because the kids care.  And if the kids are distracted or concerned about them then the coaches need to know what it is all about.

Well put Ranger!

I would say that there are alot of wrestlers, parents, fans and even a few coaches who care about these rankings. I would even say there are a few people from outside the state looking for some insight about KY wrestling from time to time that have no other resource than rankings of some type and besides it's a lot of fun!

As one of those old coaches I'll give you my 2 cents. Because that is about all its worth.

The point is to generate interest and discussion.

This is the biggest plus for the ranking.

And they can also be helpful in strategy as far as a kid deciding what weight to wrestle or a coach deciding how to "shuffle" the lineup in a dual.

I think you are correct in this use. However I'm from the old school where you don't care where someone else is wrestling and you keep your line up the same no matter who you wrestle.  Winning a dual match is not important, the goal of duals are to get your wrestlers experience during the season for the only tourneys that count.  Region and State.

I will also disagree on your point that the older, more experienced coaches don't care about the rankings.  I have proof that they do care.  I get lots of feedback from coaches all across the state with many, many years of experience (and not just in KY) and they do care.  In fact, I think they have to care because the kids care.  And if the kids are distracted or concerned about them then the coaches need to know what it is all about.

I like other coaches send the information out because it is our duty to do so.  As for caring about the ranking I personally hope my wrestlers do not look at them.  When they spend their energy worrying about the rankings they loose focus. 

Olympic is correct about the seeding meetings however.  It's either the rookie coaches or a last ditch effort to get a higher seed.

It's a fine line to walk.  Keeping the fans happy and keeping your wrestlers focused.

I do appreciate the huge effort that you put into this, and I personally enjoy talking about them.

bulldog - good comments.  The only thing I would add is that the state duals is becoming a much bigger deal than in the past and people are more concerned about winning duals and qualifying for that event.

i like your rankings alot more because matt ballinger is ranked and i beat him last year

Ranger - we really appreciate all the time and effort you put into the rankings.  You obviously love the sport.  Your knowledge of the wrestlers and all the teams is amazing.  Too bad the KWCA didn't take you up on your offer to combine efforts.  You would have been a real asset.  Keep up the good work!  :-D

Rebelyell has my exact same endorsement

rankings mean nothing it how hard you can work for that three days at state, thats what shows your plaing in the state

rankings mean nothing it how hard you can work for that three days at state, thats what shows your plaing in the state

None of us is saying that the rankings mean more than words on a piece of paper or a discussion forum.  It absolutlely comes down to what happens on the mat.  The point is to take our sport to a new level in Kentucky.  We have to generate more interest in kids, parents, teachers, everyone.  And rankings give us all something to talk about and a measuring stick for where everyone stands.

yes i do realize that and i agree fully with generating wrestling to a bigger population. I was just stating my small opinon for those who lookl at this and think that they can't be a state champ just because there name dosen't appear on the rankings

As one of the younger coaches, I will say it's not just young/old coaches that bring them up in seedings meetings, it's pretty hit or miss.  We seed by head to head for the most part.  We look at past records of who is at a given tourney and compare, them come up with a coherant opinion on who should be seeded. 

I can also say that to a certain extent, kids (at least the ones I encounter) could care/ care less about the rankings.  Some students (remember, they remain student athletes) on this board do really care about the rankings, both 'rebel' and 'official'. 

That being said, what it boils down to is they are a dicsussion point, just as Ranger said.  That is a good thing.  It gets people intrested, debating, buying into building kentucky wrestling.  To the student atheletes that don't care, no harm done.  To the coaches that don't care, no harm done.  To those that do, good for them.

I would say that my gut feeling as to Coach Coomes (I won't speak for him) reason for blowing you off, is remember these are kids.  Anyone in education is leery of anyone from outside the box looking in, especially in this day and age.  As far as I'm concerned it's good to have two types of rankings, kind of like the AP and Coaches poll.  Generates debate.

Good luck to everyone this season.

i like your rankings alot more because matt ballinger is ranked and i beat him last year

Dont feel bad Bop...I beat Senecas jeff warra several times(and never lost to him) and hes ranked...but im not worried about it.These rankings mean nothing to me.They are a hitlist on paper.The way I see it this year as im stronger and wiser...ill just go out there and whoop the pants off whoever they put in front of me,ranked or not...ill treat them all the same way.The question you have to ask yourself isnt "is he good,hes ranked"...the question you have to ask yourself is "does he know what hes getting himself into stepping on this mat with me...

I kinda applaud ya fella, there really are some good wrestlers on here, are you still going 112? or you just still have that nickname?

I kinda applaud ya fella, there really are some good wrestlers on here, are you still going 112? or you just still have that nickname?

Im going to 112 again this year(this will be my third year at 112).Ive gotten bigger and im lifting twice as much as I used to.This should be my year...thats why I made that last post.

your year? ha, i think you need to start worrying about the studs in your weight class such as travis sullivan, adam carr, luna, and shane parks... you will have a tough time with these guys!!!

your year? ha, i think you need to start worrying about the studs in your weight class such as travis sullivan, adam carr, luna, and shane parks... you will have a tough time with these guys!!!

dont ever count anyone out.....just cause he hasnt placed or won it doesnt mean he cant.....its how hard you work

well c on the mat i guess!!

your year? ha, i think you need to start worrying about the studs in your weight class such as travis sullivan, adam carr, luna, and shane parks... you will have a tough time with these guys!!!

Come on, the guy didn't say he was planning a spot on his mantle for the gold medal.  He is just saying he has worked hard and thinks he will make some noise this year.

i like to see the newer guys pop on the sences makes things intersesting and i hope to see alot of talent make our state look better and people earn there spot

I think it is great to hear someone say they worked hard to be better, there are too many kids that are good that sit back and eat cupcakes and once the mat gets put down they start to work, those are the lucky ones, the ones I like to see win are the kids that TRY to make themselves better ,,, Go Southern112!

your year? ha, i think you need to start worrying about the studs in your weight class such as travis sullivan, adam carr, luna, and shane parks... you will have a tough time with these guys!!!