So with Brock being the first 5xer in the states history does that automatically make him the best to ever do it in Kentucky? Here are some of the guys I think of when i think of the best to ever do it in Kentucky:

Brock Ervin - First 5xer

Nathan Boston - First kid (I believe) from Kentucky (even if not originally) to be ranked #1 in the nation.

 

Joe Carr Jr - 4x champion 5x finalist among other unworldly accomplishments

 

Issac Knable - 4x champion

 

Harrison Courtney - 6x Placer; 4x champ

 

Travis Sullivan - 4x finalist 3x champ, broke all kinds of records at the time I believe

 

John Woelsifer - 2x champ, unlimited potential, one of my personal favorites to watch...

 

 

 

Anybody else got any thoughts? Who do you think is the best of all time in the state? If ATM finishes next year undefeated does that make him the best? If David Carr sticks around and wins 5x how does that place him in standings with Brock? Would national success be the tiebreaker? Anybody I left out? Thoughts..........

Brock, nathan

So with Brock being the first 5xer in the states history does that automatically make him the best to ever do it in Kentucky? Here are some of the guys I think of when i think of the best to ever do it in Kentucky:

Brock Ervin - First 5xer

Nathan Boston - First kid (I believe) from Kentucky (even if not originally) to be ranked #1 in the nation.

 

Joe Carr Jr - 4x champion 5x finalist among other unworldly accomplishments

 

Issac Knable - 4x champion

 

Harrison Courtney - 6x Placer; 4x champ

 

Travis Sullivan - 4x finalist 3x champ, broke all kinds of records at the time I believe

 

John Woelsifer - 2x champ, unlimited potential, one of my personal favorites to watch...

 

 

 

Anybody else got any thoughts? Who do you think is the best of all time in the state? If ATM finishes next year undefeated does that make him the best? If David Carr sticks around and wins 5x how does that place him in standings with Brock? Would national success be the tiebreaker? Anybody I left out? Thoughts..........

Who is John Woelsifer? Sorry, I've only been in Kentucky since 2005. Where is David Carr supposedly going? Why do you say "if" he sticks around?

Wolseifer was a legend in Kentucky wrestling, at one point he was ranked something like 52nd in the nation. Walked away from the sport his senior year. You gotta include the likes of John Fahy and Caleb Ervin, if we want to get crazy we can go all the way back to Dave Barnes even haha

Wolseifer was around in 2005 not sure what year he was in hs at the time but he was a 2x state champ and I think 4th as a freshman wicked nasty inside trip

Here is a highlight video of wolseifers sophomore year

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3gknGKgQyM

Here is a highlight video of wolseifers sophomore year

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3gknGKgQyM

Very nice video. He had a real Ben Askren/Jason Welch look going on. Great hips and he loved the head and arm, and whip over.

Here is a highlight video of wolseifers sophomore year

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3gknGKgQyM

I forgot how good Wolseifer was until I watched the video.

 

In my opinion, Jacob Murton is one of the best, if not the best, since 2000.

Wolseifer was a legend in Kentucky wrestling, at one point he was ranked something like 52nd in the nation. Walked away from the sport his senior year. You gotta include the likes of John Fahy and Caleb Ervin, if we want to get crazy we can go all the way back to Dave Barnes even haha

Walked away as in he didn't compete his senior year?

I just rewatched the Trae Blackwell/David Carr match. I think Blackwell wins 9 out of 10 times, but them again that was an 8th grader hitting a 5 pointer against a big time recruit. Is Blackwell a Univ of Oklahoma recruit? If so, that just adds to what Carr accomplished. He won't be touched again in Kentucky. Someone said he might be leaving. Where would he go? Last question, who is his dad? They discussed it on the broadcast but I couldn't follow it. Is his father Nate Carr?

Carr had a nice workout partner in Boston, but then again, so did Blackwell.

So with Brock being the first 5xer in the states history does that automatically make him the best to ever do it in Kentucky? Here are some of the guys I think of when i think of the best to ever do it in Kentucky:

Brock Ervin - First 5xer

Nathan Boston - First kid (I believe) from Kentucky (even if not originally) to be ranked #1 in the nation.

 

Joe Carr Jr - 4x champion 5x finalist among other unworldly accomplishments

 

Issac Knable - 4x champion

 

Harrison Courtney - 6x Placer; 4x champ

 

Travis Sullivan - 4x finalist 3x champ, broke all kinds of records at the time I believe

 

John Woelsifer - 2x champ, unlimited potential, one of my personal favorites to watch...

 

 

 

Anybody else got any thoughts? Who do you think is the best of all time in the state? If ATM finishes next year undefeated does that make him the best? If David Carr sticks around and wins 5x how does that place him in standings with Brock? Would national success be the tiebreaker? Anybody I left out? Thoughts..........

Nathan Boston is a KY born native.

Dave Richie from Caldwell Co would have to be considered in this topic. He finished 3rd his 8th grade and freshman year. Won three state titles after that while going undefeated those three years.

Ian Horn in top 5.  All 3 titles won at an mid/upper weight. That means more to me than winning one at 103/112 with a bunch of freshman and soph challengers.

Fletcher Carr is his father I believe

Guys you have to include ATM, automatic takedown machine, before someone gets too riled up. Carr jr, Caleb Ervin, Brock Ervin, Boston, Knable, Ritchie, ATM, Fahy.

I know there are numerous names that could be mentioned, such as Tendai and Knable from St. X.  A name I rarely hear is Don Blevins from Fern Creek.  I'm pretty sure he was a transplant from Indiana or Ohio, but I believe he won state 3x and was undefeated in the state of Kentucky for all three years that he wrestled here.  The years were 92, 93, and 94, I believe.  Maybe someone from Fern Creek can verify / correct some of this info.  He was a beast.

Don't forget about Robbie Clarkson from Conner, four time state champ 1978-81. He may have been the first four timer?

Ian Horn in top 5.  All 3 titles won at an mid/upper weight. That means more to me than winning one at 103/112 with a bunch of freshman and soph challengers.

 

Well if you go by that then Livingston Merritt has to be in there. 6x placer 3x Champion ... 

7th Grade 5th @140

8th Grade 4th @ 152

9th Grade 3rd @ 189

10th Grade 1st @215

11th Grade 1st @ 215

12th Grade 1st @ HVY

 

1994 Quickest pin @ State

1997 Quickest Pin and most Pins least time

Holds Hoptown record :04 Sec Pin

I know there are numerous names that could be mentioned, such as Tendai and Knable from St. X.  A name I rarely hear is Don Blevins from Fern Creek.  I'm pretty sure he was a transplant from Indiana or Ohio, but I believe he won state 3x and was undefeated in the state of Kentucky for all three years that he wrestled here.  The years were 92, 93, and 94, I believe.  Maybe someone from Fern Creek can verify / correct some of this info.  He was a beast.

Don Blevens was only a two time.  Fern Creek has not had a 3x champ yet.

 

Don't forget about Robbie Clarkson from Conner, four time state champ 1978-81. He may have been the first four timer?

I believe James Earl Hardin from Kentucky School for the Blind was the first 4x champ.  but there was only like 16 schools in the state at the time in the late 60's.

what about kyle ruschell 4x placer 2x champ. 2x all American (3rd and 4th at ncaa's) at university of Wisconsin

Kyle Ruschell- 2x State Champ, 2x NCAA Div 1 All -American

That was a massive oversight on my part missing Stephen and Austin Myers, espically Austin who is breathtaking in how dominant he is.

The first four timer was a wrestler from Kentucky school for the blind pretty sure his name was James Earl Hardin or something like that. I read somewhere that David was Nate Carr's kid but I could be wrong. We could throw Livingston Merrit into the mix too, his is a name often thrown around.

Myers,

For the love of god take your son to some national tournaments. I can't imagine anyone (let alone 6 guys) more impressive than Austin was this weekend (or season for that matter). Congrats to all champs and placers.

Another wrestler, Tendai Charasika. 3x State Champ and state placer as freshman.

This question always seems to rear its ugly head after the state tournament ends. I don't think you can compare a wrestler in the 80's ex. Robbie Clarkston to any wrestler in the 90's ex. Joe Carr Jr. to any wrestler in 2000's ex. Issac Knable to any wrestler in 2010's ex. Brock Ervin. 

 

All had very unique styles and wrestling was different then. Kids nowadays would smoke teams from the 60's, 70's, 80's and majority of the teams in the 90's. I'm excluding the CC team in the early 90's and a few of the Woodford County teams. Wrestling has evolved and our state has made great strides to bolster our wrestling programs. 

 

And to compare wrestling styles, accolades, and weight make this challenge even more difficult.  Do we look at one singular year? Do we take into account what they did after high school? Do we look a whole body of work? What are the parameters that allow us to compare these kids? 

 

I find this to be an impossible task...We are better off looking at the best wrestlers the state has produced by Decades more soever than using the term "ever".

 

And I'm glad you like the quote Tarzan, my grandpa always would say the "the proof is in the pudding". Had no clue what that meant until I was like 20 years old. 

Just to throw another name out there, Willie Ennels was a 3x champ & wrestled for a 4th title w/a torn ACL & finished 2nd. I would say that resume deserves to be in the conversation, just my opinion.

Just to throw another name out there, Willie Ennels was a 3x champ & wrestled for a 4th title w/a torn ACL & finished 2nd. I would say that resume deserves to be in the conversation, just my opinion.

Willie was runner up his sophomore yr(1990)to Miggliaccio of Tates Creek. If I remember correctly his knee was hurt that yr

I've been around KY wrestling since 1996...Brock and Isaac Knable have got to be top of the list. Joe Carr jr. as well.

 

If we are going for who has gone on and done big things, Kyle Ruschell easily. Kyle went into the TOUGHEST NCAA D1 conference for wrestling bar non, and was constantly in the discussion on ESPN when NCAAs came around as a medalist. His senior year, I remember the commentators saying that he was a legit threat to WIN IT ALL.

 

There have been several Kentucky wrestlers who could lay claim to this title, but without a real criterion for ranking them...we could debate all day.

If your knowledge of KY wrestling only goes back 3-4 yrs you might wanna sit this one out.

 

I didn't think we were including college accomplishments. If so then yeah, Kyle Ruschell is probably near the top.

 

Yes, Livingston Merrit absolutely should be in discussion.  Dude was scary good.

 

ATM is gonna be one of the greatest this state has ever seen and I just can't wait to watch him go against big time D-1 kids in a couple yrs (hopefully).

I've been doing some research and I put together, in my opinion, the best seasons any KY wrestler has had in the last ten years.

 

*Disclaimer- Some records and placements might be incorrect. Please correct me if need be. 

 

1. Brock Ervin Sr. 46-1; 2nd @ Iron-man, 1st @ NHSCA Junior Nationals, Undefeated against KY wrestlers, National Duels MOW, MOW KY State Tournament

Brock is the highest finisher ever at Iron-man for a KY wrestler. His Jr. Nationals Championship was the first by any KY wrestler. Enough said

 

2. Kyle Ruschell Sr. 46-3; 7th @ Beast of the East, 3rd @ NHSCA Senior Nationals, Undefeated against KY wrestlers, MOW @ GMVCA, MOW KY State Tournament

Not much explaining to do here. Without Kyle finishing 3rd @ Senior Nationals I would probably drop him down to fifth on my list. Kyle really blossomed between his sophomore and junior year then picked it up another notch his senior year. 

 

3. Jacob Murton Sr. 42-2; 4th @ Beast of the East, match away from placing at both NHSCA Senior Nationals and Fargo, Undefeated against KY wrestlers, MOW KY State Tournament

Jacob was hands down the must brutal wrestling force our state has ever seen until Austin Meyers came into the picture. I'm giving Jacob the upper hand because of how close he was at being a Fargo AA and a Senior Nationals AA. Also he gets the trump card over Fahy because if Murton and Fahy would have wrestled against each other I give the edge to Murton 9 out of 10 times. 

 

4. Austin Meyers Jr. 46-0; 1st @ NHSCA Sophomore Nationals, Undefeated against KY wrestlers, only 3 matches all year lasted 4:30 minutes

Austin is by far the most DOMINATE wrestler I've ever seen in our state. I believe Austin would dominate equally in Ohio if he lived there. The only reason Austin isn't higher is because NHSCA Freshman and Sophomore Nationals are not to the quality of Junior or Senior Nationals, more on that later.

 

5. John Fahy Sr. 46-1; 3rd @ Beast of the East, Undefeated against KY competition, MOW KY State tournament

John had an incredible career and this was probably his best year wrestling. Finishing top 3 @ Beast is a HUGE accomplishment and the best by any KY wrestler. I can not remember how John did at Senior Nationals or Fargo so I have nothing else to go on when ranking him in this order. 

 

*NHSCA Freshman, Sophomore, and Middle School Championship dilemma-  The sole reason I can not give these tournaments any credibly hinges solely on three things; lack of nationally ranked wrestlers, lack of competitors, overall lack of interest by wrestling community. Another problem I have with the tournament is based on past results. I will leave the name out of the story but those who have been around long enough can probably figure it out-- There was a KY wrestler who finished his sophomore season as a state runner losing to a pretty good wrestler. Both kids had loses to unranked national kids, as well as to instate competition that season. The runner up went to NHSCA and finished second @ Sophomore Nationals. The highest placer ever until Ervin entered the picture. While that was outstanding for the kid it took a lot of credibility away from that tournament. The next year the young man won state, losing several matches along the way to more unranked national kids, then went to Junior Nationals and finished 0-2. That reason alone is why I put NHSCA Jr and Sr Championships way ahead of So and Fr, and put So. and Fr. champions behind Beast and Iron-man placers. 

 

So as you can see, accolades were more important than the eye test. I didn't care about weight just about what you did in the season and off season. 

 

I will put together a career list for the last ten years because going back any further would be a nightmare.

Tarzan:

"---------- is probably one of the only people in the sport in ky who is even remotely able to gauge just who is who and what they have done against top kids"

Don't get ahead of yourself. You might be surprised what knowledge of wrestling there is in Ky.

Off of the top of my head Collica-a 2X SC from Solon Oh.(coached by CSU AA Tony Digiovanni),2X Junior National FS champ, starts as a true freshman for OSU. Dance- 4x SC,from Christiansburg,Va(Coached by Iowa NCAA Champ Daryl Weber),2012 Super 32, Beast, and Ironman champ.Starts for Va.Tech.

Tuma is a stud in Greco.2X Junior greco champ,8th in Junior greco Worlds last summer from Centennial,Idaho, committed to Nebraska, going for his 4th state title this year.

I believe that mitch Ervin and Derek scott should be in the conversation. mitch was the champ in john wolsifers weight 160 there senior years. a great match that never happened.  but both mitch and Derek were so dominate there last couple years.

Hey do me a favor, read the article on Jimmy Carr, are you kidding me! Winning Midlands in high school, wrestled in the Olympics in high school, NCAA champions, NCAA All-Americans not to mention what they did/doing as a coaching staff. Sorry but their accomplishments far surpass x amount of state championships or pin for time lol The Carr family is known nationally, NATIONALLY!!!!!!!! not just in the state. Quality of opponents matter greatly!!  

 

We'll see how these state champions excel at the college level or not!

Being around KY the last 3 or 4 yrs has nothing to do with knowing the sport , I know there has never been a fresh from ky place at Iron Man or Powerade or All American or double all American as a Soph or be a jr and Sr AA , I think Stephen is top 5 as well , he accomplished far more than Fahy in HS .

I would say Nathan Brock And Austin are top dogs , looking at Joe Jr who I think was an AA I would put him up there , placing at beast of east is good but a pre season tournament duiring football season is not on the level of iron man Powerade and none can match Fargo where there is Only one kid to ever step on the Matt in Ky to leave with three plaques and two in one yr

 

Tarzan: Frankly, I think your logic here is correct. I agree that Nathan, Brock and Austin are absolutely top dogs. Joe Jr. had an incredible record and I don't believe he lost a match his last 3 years of high school until the Dapper Dan Classic after the season had ended. I agree those 4 are probably without peers in Kentucky.

 

Really, folks, I can't remember a crop of wrestlers - very highly nationally ranked - like we have had this year. If you throw in Trae and Sean, along with current wrestlers including Nathan, Brock and Austin...an incredible year for Kentucky wrestling, and a higher national quality than we have ever seen before in one year.

 

Tarzan, your list is spot on correct.

 

The best ever in Kentucky? Tarzan, when ATM graduates I have no doubt he will have a very good case for that accolade.

 

And, I agree with Tarzan that this debate so soon is tending to take away from the almost unbelievable accomplishments of the Top Dogs he mentions. Let's enjoy the moment - which is that we were just able to witness, without question, the greatest single crop of Kentucky wrestlers this state has ever seen at one state tournament.

 

And ATM should keep that going...

 

I have only one point of disagreement, Tarzan...I think the Macho Man may have grabbed one of the chairs from the scoring table and made it an interesting match with ATM...LOL!

...but don't forget Randy "Macho Man" Savage!!!!

 

I still think the chair would be an equalizer!!!!!

A chair would not get the job done , trust me I have hit ATM with a couple . Hes Scared of clowns .

Have to say I like Brock he and Nathan are great wrestlers . Brock flows like water and Nathan knows where people are at in any position he looks as if he is watching the match from all angles outside of his body and knows where to automatically reach grab and go , years of drilling and wrestling . Awesome stuff .

So a 5x placer, 3x finalist, 2x champ, NHSCA soph natls runner up, fila-cadet natls 3rd, nhsca junior natls 5th, fila-cadet natl champion/usa world team member, fargo junior all american that never cut weight except for natls doesn't get any mention, tough crowd!  How many have been on world teams?  Not the best ever but at least deserves mentioning over some that have been listed. jmo and of course I'm biased.

Must not be to get no mention at all.  He needs to hold them for the 5 count before he pins and smile at the camera.  That should give them time to get in position!  Yes we're going to the beach, his college coaches want him there.

I saw a lot of union pics in the brochure , you think they were thinking ahead ???

Next yr don't want a single pic except on the podium , like the man said keep your cameras movin I'm kinda fast

why aren't any of the coopers in this conversation ?

Man am I mad no pics of ATM wrestling on Fri , they had 26 seconds , plenty of time to get some pics

Nice credentials CCMS that's a stud .Will we see a sr NHSCA run ?

One of the funniest posts ive ever seen on here.

I wouldnt know how to even rank the top 5. A lot of deserving kids to consider. In no order my guess would be Brock, atm, joe carr Jr, Caleb ervin, boston.

For what it is worth, I still haven't seen atm wrestle since he was a freshman...but one of my brothers told me they thought he could be this state's first d1 ncaa champ. Maybe even an Olympic champ. They seen the merits and a lot of other top big boys and they believed without question atm at least majors them, most likely pins them. So settle down Tarzan, there is plenty of love for atm in this state. I think he will have a huge bluegrass fan base when he is a multi time d1 ncaa AA.

why aren't any of the coopers in this conversation ?

Just goes to show just how selective "the list" is. I put up a list that included caleb ervin but not john Fahy. That was a close call to me, but the impression caleb had on me was huge. He was amazing. Nothing against some of these lists but i think people underestimate him. Id put him ahead of brad or Kevin cooper. Not a knock on them, just think he was that good.

Man am I mad no pics of ATM wrestling on Fri , they had 26 seconds , plenty of time to get some pics

Nice credentials CCMS that's a stud .Will we see a sr NHSCA run ?

Heck, Tarzan, I'm surprised, since the freaking refs took forever to get down to slap the mat...should have been plenty of time for pics!

For what it's worth, Jacob Murton did happen to beat a pretty good wrestler his senior year at the Beast.   This wrestler went on to win Senior Nationals that year, then two NCAA Div I Championships in college, followed  by a World title, and an Olympic Gold medal in his international career. This wrestler that Murton beat was none other than Jordan Burroughs.   Talk about a quality win.  I don't think any other wrestler mentioned has a win on their resume that compares to that.

 

With that being said, this win doesn't define his career, but it just adds to the argument that he is one of the best wrestlers in recent times.  All of the other wrestlers mentioned definitely deserve to be on the list as well.

Dominic black

Jacob was one of the most humble and approachable kids I have ever met as well. As good a kid as he was a wrestler and that is saying something.

Burroughs admittadly was not a High School star , and I'm sure when it's said and done no disrespect to any other wrestlers but Boston and Stephen will have. Eaten some

Pretty big name kids when you place I'm multiple tulsas as a kid - Fargo iron man Powerade Disney and. NHSCA and win titles in multiple states there will be a lot if tip. Ame

Kids you win and lose against , that's a nice win to have against Boroughs though , Stephen beat some good college kids this yr not a great record but ups and downs it happens ,

Austin is quiet in his approach and explosive when he gets the chance I'm sure everyone awaits his downfall , I hope he wins NHSCAs again this yr and ends all the controversy , regardless he will be a different creature next yr , probably best for everyone to forfeit no one will stand a chance against him from 195 - hvy , he gets stronger day by day I'm sure he will make some coach and team happy shortly in college , and again it's not that he's beaten every KY opponent but every single sucker who stepped across the mat from him in HS .

 

Burroughs won NHSCA senior nationals. That is a high school star.

Yes it is but Murton did not , was Buroughs a four x state champ ?? I don't know just going by what I have read he said he was not the best HS wrestler ??

I was just stating that Burroughs was a NHSCA senior national champ. That is a great accomplishment. That's the pinnacle of Highschool wrestling. I never said he was the best Highschool wrestler of all time.

Why do we argue this every year, this is one hard argument from Dave Richey, to Dominic Black to Joe JR, to   this years senior class, to ATM. A lot of things can be used, Kids now days go to these National Tourneys as a young wrestlers that were not around even when I wrestled back in the 80's. There has been a lot of great champs both KY raised and move ins. This is just too hard to compare, I mean even Jerrod Trice, if he doesn't get shot and falls off the map where do you put him?

Savage lived in Lexington where daddy Angelo ran ICW

Didn't Todd King win it twice or Creek, I know Wosifer did

Lawrence Woodford was a 2x champ from Fern Creek I definitely know, Blevins was a Indy transplant his JR year and yes undefeated for those 2

You know when you got respect is when your in a coaching clinic and Dan Gable says "Joe Carr has forgot more about wrestling than most of us knows"

Tarzan:

"---------- is probably one of the only people in the sport in ky who is even remotely able to gauge just who is who and what they have done against top kids"

Don't get ahead of yourself. You might be surprised what knowledge of wrestling there is in Ky.

Off of the top of my head Collica-a 2X SC from Solon Oh.(coached by CSU AA Tony Digiovanni),2X Junior National FS champ, starts as a true freshman for OSU. Dance- 4x SC,from Christiansburg,Va(Coached by Iowa NCAA Champ Daryl Weber),2012 Super 32, Beast, and Ironman champ.Starts for Va.Tech.

Tuma is a stud in Greco.2X Junior greco champ,8th in Junior greco Worlds last summer from Centennial,Idaho, committed to Nebraska, going for his 4th state title this year.

Tony DiGiovanni!!! Next to Toukonen he was the best coach I ever had! The Solon open mats he set up in the late 80s and early 90s were epic. Imagine a ragtag bunch from Claymont showing up and doing work with the Walsh and other NE Ohio elitists. Well played CoachBrown.

Austin's run was impressive. My kid only lasted 33 seconds in the semis. The only performance I would put above it for a one tournament show was George King (171) from Union County in 2000. He won MOW of the tournament, fastest pin of the tournament, and most pins in least amount of time. All of this without the hype. Was under the radar until State for the most part.

Austin's run was impressive. My kid only lasted 33 seconds in the semis. The only performance I would put above it for a one tournament show was George King (171) from Union County in 2000. He won MOW of the tournament, fastest pin of the tournament, and most pins in least amount of time. All of this without the hype. Was under the radar until State for the most part.

George King was very impressive.  Nobody made it out of the first period against him!

In my 15 or 16 years at the KHSAA wrestling tournament, ATM and Murton are the most impressive individuals in have watched. They just dominate with such physicality and techinicality of which I have seen no one else have in Kentucky. Not saying Murton is the best, but he is one of them. 3x KY state champ, 1x OH placer as a freshman and had a tech fall and two first minute pins in his state finals appearances. We all know what ATM has done.

For anyone discrediting Burroughs' high school ability, when he wrestled, the Senior Nationals were the pinnacle of HS wrestling and had no competition. There was no Flo Nationals or other competing tournaments. All the best seniors went.

I havent been around that long but of those I got to see, I would have to say Jacob Murton. His speed and techinque was unmatched in the state at the time, not sure I have seen anyone since match it either. He had a pretty good workout partner in brother Jairus, very dominating wrestler as well.

 

Another very dominant wrestler was Taylor Scherer from South Oldham, not sure how he matches up with the best of all time but he was a beast in the state in his time.

His match with Coffey (sp) from TN was epic.

 

Havent heard anyone mention Richard Starks and he was 3Xer, I think. He went on to a good college career at Army,  awesome wrestler!

The best wrestler ever in KY probably has the last name Carr, but which of the Carr's would it be?

 

That may be the next post the best Carr to come out of KY?

Yes it is but Murton did not , was Buroughs a four x state champ ?? I don't know just going by what I have read he said he was not the best HS wrestler ??

Jordan Burroughs only won 1 state championship and it was his senior year. 

, funny ATMast loss was to Bo Jordan when he was a sixth grader and Bo an 8th he also got the crap beat out of him by Zeke Jordan at Jr High Iron Man , of course ATM was a fifth grader Zeke in 8th , you see you pay your dues wrestle the best embrace the pain and become the best .

 

 

How did ATM do in those matches against Bo and Zeke? Obviously the proof is in the pudding that if you wrestle the best win or lose it will have only positive impact on you as a wrestler.

The best wrestler ever in KY probably has the last name Carr, but which of the Carr's would it be?

 

That may be the next post the best Carr to come out of KY?

Adam Carr!! huehuehue

Adam never won it. His younger brother won it tho, Aaron.

I would like to have seen Taylor Scherer and ATM wrestle.  It may have been a good match.

For how long

Probably 1.5 to 3 minutes or so.

I saw video of ATM in the off season maybe 2 summers ago against a monster from Indiana, had never seen ATM before just heard of him and ATM wrestled like a champ barely beat him in a great match made me a believer, he looks like he's grown a lot since then come into his own physically, good luck over the summer

Just kidding about the 1.5-3 minutes...but I think Scherer would give him an ok match. Probably a MD to Austin.  Maybe a little closer.  Scherer was a big and athletic 215.  He is undoubtedly better than anyone Austin has wrestled in Kentucky.  I wonder how Austin would do against Bruce or Archie Stepp from Sheldon Clark?  Talk about a men among boys!

Talent and dominance wise ATM is a God amongst us mere mortals, a couple years from now will we look back and ATM will be in the top three alongside my guess would be Brock Ervin and JoJo. But as of right now Mr. Myers, give us a moment to think back to some of the really talented wrestlers of our past before they get overshadowed by the might that is ATM.

I personally hope ATM does so well that he leaves no question that he is the best ever in Kentucky.   It would do nothing but good for our state.

I've been around since the David Barnes days and I've never seen anyone more dominant than Austin. I know there's a couple of monsters at 220 in Indiana that I would like to see Austin wrestle in a match  but I think there seniors and are going Division 1 football. I mean really there's no one in KY that can challenge him and he's won everything from Nationals to Ohio tourneys and everything in between. Not to mention from standing beside him for a minute at the horsepark he's grown physically and with his work ethic could be an ncaa national champion. I look forward to watching matches oh him in college. I wish him and Sephen and his dad only the best of luck... Remember they've had to feed him all these years lol....He defines beast and just like FCHS said we all will be glad we saw this kid wrestle in high school because he has major things in front of him and I'm glad he's a Kentuckian. My only question would be will he wrestle 197 in college or heavy and I think that's yet to be determined because the kid keeps getting bigger and stronger. I wish him only the best.....

 

Glad I saw Boston and Brock wrestle as well as they are flawless in technique. but I just feel Austin is a very very rare breed.

1. Boston

2. Brock

3. Ruschell

4. Cooper

The rest of the list are old timers

Tarzan:

 

Did ATM ever wrestle Chalmer Frueauf?  A preview article of the Ohio state tournament has him (out of Moeller) "projected" as the Ohio state champ at 220.  Just curious if ATM had wrestled him in the past.

Fahy with his state titles and good placings in other tournaments , I know many would and will rave but the fact is he dodged comp at times even inn season to protect his record .
Cooper a 3 timer who wrestled all over and always did well and was very dominant at times .

 

 

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Fahy with his state titles and good placings in other tournaments , I know many would and will rave but the fact is he dodged comp at times even inn season to protect his record .

 

Why would you spew that kind of crap?

Austin Myers will be one of the greatest wresters in Kentucky History. Hands Down. I think the reason he is not included yet by some is that his book is not completely written. The others mentioned have finished their careers.

If he missed any tournaments it was weight or decent plan issue. Not dodging comp to protect a record. Not that kind of kid. Not that kind of Dad either. 

Austin Myers will be one of the greatest wresters in Kentucky History. Hands Down. I think the reason he is not included yet by some is that his book is not completely written. The others mentioned have finished their careers.

 

BINGO.  I don't think a single person has debated that ATM will be at the top when he is done. We're just throwin out names from the past.

 

and I may be wrong but I feel like Livingston Merritt wouldve made it 6 mins with ATM.

 

What is Boston's best win in-state?  Not in any way saying he's not worthy of a mention here just can't remember him being even slightly challenged the last 2 yrs ( I guess that is more evidence for his dominance).  Did he beat a state champ?  113 last yr and 120 this yr seemed watered down compared to the weight classes immediately adjacent to them (120 last yr and 113 and 126 this yr).  Guess folks ran from him.

 

Of this stellar crop of KY seniors (probably best ever in state history) who will be the first to be a NCAA All American?  I say Brock.  That kids motor and technique are unreal.  Boston may be just as good (we just don't know) but he'll have a harder time breakin the lineup at ISU I think than Brock will at Illinois.

Ok I remember one match.  Boston beat Whalen in the summer by maybe 2-3 pts (feel like Whalen had some pounds on him).  They didn't wrestle in duals last season when they were both at 120. I wanted to see that.

Fahy was not scared of the competition.

Hey I said with his state titles and placings in good tournaments I just think he dodged some tournaments to protect his record ,when you don't show up to inn season tournaments that your team is in and they are loaded with state placers and everyone's eye is on you and you are no where to be seen then I have to think your dodging comp , there are some

Who have been mentioned Who never missed a tournament they were allowed to wrestle in , I see it all the time I have seen top kids all over do it Oh Ind and ky ,its just how some people play the game .others do not

Before you say what I'm

Spewing is crap look at his teams past schedule and see what and where he missed

What meets are you speaking of specifically?

I would really like to know what you are talking about. I can provide insight if you tell me where he dodged competition.

You couldn't be talking about the weekend In mid December all 4 years he went to Beast of the East(placing 3X).

Or you couldn't be talking about in 2010 when I allowed him to miss the Dragon to wrestle in the Tulsa Nationals because he was trying to win their Triple Crown(he didn't,he won the first 2 and was injured in the Spring and didnt go to Vegas).

And while you don't give any credence to Super32, some people think it is a ridiculously tough tournament(John had over 100 kids in his bracket a time or two and placed 3 times, take a look).

The only thing I can think of you may be referring to is December2009 Moeller Duals. John was not down to weight yet and didn't wrestle. He was 112 that year, let's see who else was 112?

Oh yea, an excellent freshman from Moeller named Stephen Myers. Trinity dualed Moeller and was worked over for sure. Stephen went on to place 3rd the next weekend at the Ironman and John went 2 weeks later and placed 7th at the Beast. I would have LOVED to have seen them wrestle, it just didn't work out.

As a side note, I did ask Coach Gaier prior to the dual if he wanted to bump his 112 and wrestle our 119(Bradbury) and Coach Gaier was not comfortable doing that. No problem at all. I understood.

I hope this sheds light on your thoughts about John "dodging competition".

"Better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt".

- Abraham Lincoln

   You cant compare the overall compitition in the light weights and heavier weights to the other weights . Easy to be dominant when you are a man among boys.  Two perfect examples are Travis Sullivan and Austin Meyers. Two awesome wrestlers, but thier weight classes are not comparable to the middle weight classes. The middle weight classes are always loaded with great matches ex.... Cooper/Meyers . And even though he lost his finals match his senior year, one of my favs is SAM.  But right now I think Brock is top dog!

No Stephen placed 6 AA in Fargo a couple months before ,then came in fourth at iron man losing by a point to dance on a controversial call then beating him in Powerade a few weeks later by 5 where he placed 3rd losing by a point to keener who he beat by 5 at Iron man

Super 32 is pre season and Tulsa is for 15 and under surprised a HS school would

Let you miss a school tourny to do a 15 And under tourny , thats why dads shouldnt coach . LIke I said some people pick and choose their wins and lol you ran from Stepen and tried to get cred by beating a smaller kid a fresh no doubt that's weak , it would be like Stephen tearing his head off now in college

Yes it woud have been great Stephen the highest ranked 112 lb fresh in the nation and a Fargo placer in the toughest class there , but Someoe couldn't make weight for that one and was wrestling JV somewhere from what I was told .

Why would Gaier wrestle a 112 lber against a 119 when he and everyone at Moeller was expecting to wrestle the twelve lber that everyone in two states was talking smack about coming and wrestling SAM it Was the talk of two states . But only one was ready .

Yep they teach a lot at graham

Unsure what "I" ran from.

Never heard " the talk of two states", it was only a dual meet at the beginning of the season.

It does no good to respond to your posts.

While I have known many wrestlers who ducked trying to save their record, one thing I respect about ATM is his desire to throw himself at the toughest possible competition. Fahy wasn't a ducker, if anything he was cursed. He would've AAed at Fargo as a cadet the year I went if he hadn't failed skin checks and wrestled Junior instead.

In comparing Boston to Brock I feel that Brock is better on his feet while Boston is untouchable on the mat. Brock is going to face some tough competition to break into the Illinois line up depending on where Zane Richards goes. People thought Fahy was going to start easy, but I think he has had injury problems or something of that sort. Boston could possibly start at 125 for Iowa State next year, I don't think he should but I feel that he will be the best 125 in that room. Evan Silver is able to compete at 125 despite being 112 in high school, he is also built like a bulldog though. Boston is going to need to fill out more for 125 or he will get muscled around.

I'd prefer ATM to make 197 and maul kids like Ed Ruth but as a growing boy he will probably end up at 285

Boston is tall enough and has the space to fill out at 126 no problem , and yes I couldn't understand what they did to Fahy in Fargo that yr it made no sense DQ him at skin checks for cadet but ok him the next day or whatever for jrs it was dumb he had a good shot at AA ing those classes are tough in Fargo vey high contested . Strange things happen out there anyway I have seen whole crowds cheering saying he's pinned and a Fargo ref not give a pin and pins in fs and gr are supposed to be touch , who knows .

Don't know where ATM ends up weight wise hes Definatly not big heavy and while he can and has cut its been a while and he enjoys being and getting strong hard to do when your to worried about cutting all the time , we will see .

It does no good to try and explain away something Then try to turn it on a kid that showed up by saying you tried to get a match with a lighter younger wrestler ,

In your own words as you explained it

Must have been on your mind as well

As you stated you tried to get a match between your 119 st champ and a 112 Stephen

. And I'm sure your right no on in either state even noticed that one of the best freshmen in Ohio and a Fargo All American and Ky state champ were getting ready to wrestle , yeah no one mentioned it in either state ,

Either way I like Fahy hes a great wrestler and was always a great kid and I think they robbed him out in Fargo his second cadet yr that was dumb

It does no good to try and explain away something Then try to turn it on a kid that showed up by saying you tried to get a match with a lighter younger wrestler ,

In your own words as you explained it

Must have been on your mind as well

As you stated you tried to get a match between your 119 st champ and a 112 Stephen

. And I'm sure your right no on in either state even noticed that one of the best freshmen in Ohio and a Fargo All American and Ky state champ were getting ready to wrestle , yeah no one mentioned it in either state ,

Either way I like Fahy hes a great wrestler and was always a great kid and I think they robbed him out in Fargo his second cadet yr that was dumb

Twist it up however you want, it would bother me only if you had any real clue as to what your talking about. Done

Please give it a rest. Your kid isnt the best, but he is very good. Some people would call moving to ky, dodging real nationals( that 11 man bracket was a gauntlet) and wrestling naia, running from comp and protecting records...please, just stop.

I would also like to add Fahy and knable to my list! Undefeated and at very competitive weights.

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Keep feeding the monkey to watch him $h!t

Funny I recall Fahy coming to KY hahahah

Funny I recall Fahy coming to KY hahahah

Fahy had been in Kentucky since at least 6th grade?

Fahy had been in Kentucky since at least 6th grade?

Fahy won 5 middle school state championships , I would assume that started in 4th grade .unless he was held back .

The NAIA is not a bash and wouldnt be used like one if you wouldnt have ran your mouth for years about "big time D1 offers". Im sure D1 teams run in fear from LW.

SPG must love teaching people how to run from competition. Unfortunately they felt fine sending their freshman Alex Marinelli out againt the senior SM. We know we know..home town refs and jordan.

Atm is good, but persoanlly I think everything Stephen has done is better, heres why,

-Much higher quality wins.

-Much higher quality tournys and weight classes lightyears ahead of 220. Look at that list of names he has beat..try that with atm

-He wrestled up weights later and didnt bother cutting.

-Hes just better. I add him to my list and im sure he would be higher with a bigger body of ky work.

Good luck to atm I hope he can find a good home in the collge weights.

Look at the ohio results and ATM s record against them , Jennings in the finals of HVY , Nye who Austin teched and nearly pinned twice barely losing to Pfarr who is in the finals . No one in Ohip can beat him he has reached his goal and now it's time to reach further .

While I have known many wrestlers who ducked trying to save their record, one thing I respect about ATM is his desire to throw himself at the toughest possible competition. Fahy wasn't a ducker, if anything he was cursed. He would've AAed at Fargo as a cadet the year I went if he hadn't failed skin checks and wrestled Junior instead.

In comparing Boston to Brock I feel that Brock is better on his feet while Boston is untouchable on the mat. Brock is going to face some tough competition to break into the Illinois line up depending on where Zane Richards goes. People thought Fahy was going to start easy, but I think he has had injury problems or something of that sort. Boston could possibly start at 125 for Iowa State next year, I don't think he should but I feel that he will be the best 125 in that room. Evan Silver is able to compete at 125 despite being 112 in high school, he is also built like a bulldog though. Boston is going to need to fill out more for 125 or he will get muscled around.

I'd prefer ATM to make 197 and maul kids like Ed Ruth but as a growing boy he will probably end up at 285

Maul Ed Ruth!? YGTBSM. You realize Ed Ruth has only lost twice in college?

I know you'll just write back a bunch of flaming derogatory crap attacking me but I don't care. its sad to me that you act the way you do on here. Nobody is out to get you or your children. Both of them are awesome wrestlers, and probably just as awesome young men. But you get on here talking just pure craziness and that's the reason why a lot of people were happy to see SAM lose last year. The worst part is that as great their accomplishments are, and as lofty expectations are for the both of them, your antics cast a shadow so large I would be surprised if it ever went away. Very very sad...

Wow. No one is bashing your kids. They are bashing you. You det your self up with all of it by hijacking every thread while saying your kids are un beatable and getting a ton of d1 offers. When they get beat...people laugh, at you.

If you wonder why people have a problem with you, maybe it has to do with attacking every coach of mentor they have ever had by making yourself out to be the greatest coach/trainer in the world.

That's funny I seem to brag on the coaches they had the longest continually , me talking about or claiming to be a good trainer is not a knock on any coach and I have never said I am a great coach although I am a lot better than some and way better than most would think .

Not sure why you keep Bringing up D1 offers but I have never lied about any and only replied when asked , your infatuation with d1 and blasting my son for going NAIA is pathetic and shows your character and real intention , your simply a jealous p/i(k . And if I say I am the best trainer for my kids then I mean just that I know wtf I'm doing more so than you or any coach that's not saying I'm a better coach although I would have done a few things differently the same as every coach does things a bit different .

You constantly try to get a response from me that will insight others against me lol I don't care really but its obvious your intent is to get me to piss people off you even try to get me to say stuff against my own kid ho are you to try lol ur garbage .

Maul Ed Ruth!? YGTBSM. You realize Ed Ruth has only lost twice in college?

I meant maul kids like Ed Ruth does

pussycat2002 your constantly bringing up the fact that Myers "hijacks" every thread, Yet when I go back and look at those threads, low and behold pussycat2002 is right there crawling up his butt trying to piss him off.  Your little self entitled rants about how big of a d-head he is and how he should just shut up is getting old.  TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE AND SHUT THE F UP!  

You just aren't very humble at all, I guess that's my issue. If I ever have children and am blessed enough for them to be as dominant as SAM and ATM I probably wouldn't be wasting time on Kentucky Wrestling forums because whats the point? Your guys are going to win 99.99% of their matches in high school (looking like 100 for ATM so far) but you get on here and worry about what Wildcat2002 has to say etc. When SAM was in high school he was one of the most entertaining kids to watch, but I couldn't even get on here and say "wow that Stephen is really something" for fear of a verbal lashing from you. When the state tournament was over I asked you where could we look forward to watching Stephen wrestle in college to which you replied by calling me something like a "nut hugging faggot" and that I didn't deserve to know where he would be wrestling in college let alone watch him. Its just like jesus Christ dude take a chill pill...

Never called anyone that but it sounds like wildcats description

Never called anyone that but it sounds like wildcats description

 

Ok well to switch lanes obviously its very early but is there any leader of the pack of where ATM may be wrestling after high school?

Haha for real? I only respond to his crap and never bring him up first. I only come in later to counter his points.

You didnt say SAM was going D1 here...just for years on ohio boards. My bad.

I believe that mitch Ervin and Derek scott should be in the conversation. mitch was the champ in john wolsifers weight 160 there senior years. a great match that never happened.  but both mitch and Derek were so dominate there last couple years.

 Mitch was dominate his sr. year but his Jr. year was not a walk in the park for him.  especially at the state tourney.   He barely won his quarter finals match 10-9 (another 3 seconds and he would have lost) and won by 2 in the finals. 

 

Wish he could have competed past high school.  Medical reasons kept him out.

Well where Sam is or is not is not your buisness nor is the reason he' is wheee he is and whatever tou read on orher boards was probably garbage instigated by wannabees like yourself .

Set back and watch what happens with ATM .

regardless from a wrestling standpoint he has beaten D1 kids this yr , and I have never called you out it commented on your kid because I don't know you or care about him , he is irrelevant to me just spent the day in Columbus talking to trainers for ATM it will be interesting next yr there are a lot of advancements in the sport and with MMA guys coming in from different styles actually starting to focus on wrestling and working with young wrestlers it could be very benificial for the sport .

Fun times ahead and coming at the sport from different angles will become more crucial to a kid succeeding eventually to hit the upper levels like a Brock or Boston you will have to focus on these other aspects or fall behind .

I meant maul kids like Ed Ruth does

Gotcha. I misunderstood. ATM is a beast, but it's way too early to say he'd maul Ed Ruth!

Ok well to switch lanes obviously its very early but is there any leader of the pack of where ATM may be wrestling after high school?[/

Austin will be a four xer like Dake and he and Boston would make great teammates , figure it out those are his two front runners .

And it seems Sam and ATMs old teammates from Ohio would have beniffited more from ATM and SAM than vice versa feel sorry for them

Actually such a talented group falling victim to internal issues not one title from the whole sr core , that's a shame .

I'll take that as Cornell and ISU. Wow what an opportunity if he can qualify academically to go to Cornell on scholarship. Ivy League scholarships don't just come every day. That's awesome though, and personally I hope he does become a 4xer like Dake. Just so Kentucky will have our own bit of history.

I meant ATM would be a four xer next yr like Dake , but you never know lol .

All the kids who have been mentioned , I doubt Were actually as good as Brock ,Or Boston , and being as it is in Ky , I would expect a unanimous decision for - Brock :)for now - kids a beast .

I got a chance to speak with Austin and he mentioned he liked the Iowa state coaches a lot. Anywhere he goes I can't wait to watch him succeed and hopefully continue to dominate. Ky wrestling fans hopefully will appreciate what this kid does, I know I will.

I meant ATM would be a four xer next yr like Dake , but you never know lol .

All the kids who have been mentioned , I doubt Were actually as good as Brock ,Or Boston , and being as it is in Ky , I would expect a unanimous decision for - Brock :)for now - kids a beast .

Lol I thought for sure you meant a 4xer in college, but like you said hey you never know. Its amazing how far hard work will take you. Best of luck to both of your kids this offseason.

Thanks , I am

Very confident even arrogant on purpose at times I would love to predict 4 NCAA titles for ATM , and if I thought it could

Help

Make it happen I would but I also would not claim

Anything so monumental without just cause , now if ATM tears it up like never before or pretty much as he has done every yr in HS , I may make a few statements

Hard to pick one two very obvious ones for me are rushell and Jacob murton. I haven't followed it as much since My career ended but heard that meyers kid was one the top in the country. Seen him wrestle a few times and just dominated.

For honorable mentions id say Richard Starks, Taylor shearer, Don Blevins ( never saw him but heard a lot about him before my time), and Jarius Murton, murton I know gave #1 kid in the country a Good run or atleast made it close and pretty much destroyed everyone he faced in state think cooper was the only one to not get pinned or teched.