He's in the DII State Finals in Ohio tomorrow. He beat an Ohio State signee from Claymont. Nice showing for a freshman!

Yeah, I saw that. SPG with the JJ is not joke.

Edit..flo is doing coverage there and has some videos up.

Yeah, I saw that. SPG with the JJ is not joke.

Edit..flo is doing coverage there and has some videos up.

I think Claymont has the best coaching in the state bar none. Graham has better transfers. It is what it is though. 922 proud.

Claymont is doing great work with hometown kids(ie some sbc schools up north), but SPG has the best room and coaches. With that said I wish they would go d1 or something. 547 proud.

I agree that SPG does great things in their room...but come on they have kids that wrestle for them who do not even live in their district.  If "bull" Marinelli wrestled in his district he would attend a Dayton public school.  I for one don't care but when people act like the transfers/move-ins don't make a difference just look at our own state.  

1) Trinity may not win state title in 09' (Bradberry) 

2) CC does not win state title in 12' (Both Myers)

3) UC does not win state title in 11' (Blackwell and Jayce Carr) 

4) Trinity does not outplace St. X at state this year (Frankrone)

5) Woodford does not place top 5 in 14' (Boston and Carr) 

These are just a few of the major impacts that transfers/ move-ins have had on our state tournament in recent years.

Same thing could be said about trinity. With the North Oldham boys Duncan / Heidorf they might not be as tough either.

Oh and Frankrone

Transfers make ALL the difference. Im just saying there is a reason they flock to the SPG, blair etc. I wish homegrown teams stood more of a chance.

Kyle Lawson State Champ !!!!

What weight? Think Woodford might have won this yr if they could have kept them Down here another yr? Or at least kept the younger one till he could wrestle in Hs in Ohio next yr.

He won a stacked 138 with 5 returnimg state placers. Beat an tOSU recruit in the semis.

He pinned the kid first period.

Transfers make ALL the difference. Im just saying there is a reason they flock to the SPG, blair etc. I wish homegrown teams stood more of a chance.

Who wouldn't send their kid to Graham if given the chance? Everyone would. The Claymont program has done everything from within and it was a thrill to see them at least be in the discussion with Graham. Nobody has done more with less than Claymont.

Lawson looks to be a 4 timer. SPG only gets better too. He would have won 138 anywhere this year I think.

Good for the Lawson family, nice people, got to  talk to Mr Lawson last year at Central HS

Kyle is a beast in top, possibly as tough or tougher than Harrison Courntey was. Just nasty. Love his style of wrestling. Congrats Kyle!

Who wouldn't send their kid to Graham if given the chance? Everyone would. The Claymont program has done everything from within and it was a thrill to see them at least be in the discussion with Graham. Nobody has done more with less than Claymont.

Lawson looks to be a 4 timer. SPG only gets better too. He would have won 138 anywhere this year I think.

No not everyone would. 

I for one certainly would not. 

I've never understood the transfer for sports aspect of high school.  It's kind of like pimping your kid around town for his/her athletic abilities.  This is high school not proffesional sports, the only reason for a transfer should be for academic reasons.  Maybe the school district you live in has low scores or such, or if you MUST move for some reason.

No not everyone would. 

 

I for one certainly would not. 

 

I've never understood the transfer for sports aspect of high school.  It's kind of like pimping your kid around town for his/her athletic abilities.  This is high school not proffesional sports, the only reason for a transfer should be for academic reasons.  Maybe the school district you live in has low scores or such, or if you MUST move for some reason.

I mainly agree with you about tranfers(some people abuse it)

1. It helps the stars get to the coaching they need to make it to the next level.

2. Wrestling for SPG or other schools like them, give the kid a better exposure to college scholarships.

Goo, this is one time I would disagree with you.

In your analogy, wouldn't changing school districts for academic reasons be the same "pimping your kids out", just for grades this time instead of wrestling.......

Isn't the end goal the same anyway, trying for a scholarship of some sort and a free or partially free college education.......

Why not give a kid any advantage possible either through sports or academia.....

And all of those blasting on kids going to D2, D3, or NAIA schools, remember this one thing, they will have a COLLEGE DEGREE in four years, regardless of what division they wrestled !!!!!!!!

And Im not starting another civil war here because  I know its a touchy subject and  wrote a college paper on it last year. Schools like Graham that have so many advantages of transfers, no attendance zones, and endless resources shouldn't be in the same state tournament. Where would X or Trinity be if they had an attendance zone, or the same advantages like a Graham.

Graham most definately has attendance zones. They are a public school!!

Graham most definately has attendance zones. They are a public school!!

A lot people think Graham is a private catholic school because of the St. Paris.

St Paris is the city where Graham is located.

So there you have it.

St Paris Graham Local schools.

And they do in fact have attandence zones. However they are open enrollment.

They still have attendance zones. If you don't live in their school district, you are required to pay tuition. They are not like a perocial school with no defined zone. And if you enroll after you have begun your highschool eligability, you are subject to a year of ineligability, without a bonified change of address to their district.

And Im not starting another civil war here because  I know its a touchy subject and  wrote a college paper on it last year. Schools like Graham that have so many advantages of transfers, no attendance zones, and endless resources shouldn't be in the same state tournament. Where would X or Trinity be if they had an attendance zone, or the same advantages like a Graham.

"Where would they be" is a good question, but let's not assume they couldn't coach up the kids from their own attendance zone.  Let's not forget, for a number of years the Louisville Regional, when there were Districts and Regions, was considered one of, if not the, weakest in the state.

Tapout not the same thing.  

School is about academics not about sports.  So transfering for academics is a lot different than transfering for sports.  I never said anything about gaining an academic scholarship.  I said just earning an education.  The education we are telling our kids is that you can bend, and take advantage of rules that we don't like or believe in. 

As for the college coaching thing.   You mean to tell me that ATM or Brock would have more college coaches looking at them if they were at Graham?  I don't believe that one bit

Now with all that said.  I believe that you should be allowed one transfer with no questions asked.  Then the second transfer would be have to be looked at with a fine tooth comb and only in very rare occations should it be allowed without a one year suspension.  Remember once again the kid will still be getting the education he/she is suppose to be getting in high school. Sports are a privilage not a right in high school. 

No not everyone would.

I for one certainly would not.

I've never understood the transfer for sports aspect of high school. It's kind of like pimping your kid around town for his/her athletic abilities. This is high school not proffesional sports, the only reason for a transfer should be for academic reasons. Maybe the school district you live in has low scores or such, or if you MUST move for some reason.

Anyway, I don't think young Mr Lawson wins an Ohio state title, if not for his experience last season in Kentucky. He lost to Burcher a few weeks ago but handled him soundly in the semis. Cody Burcher is a two-time state finalist and is signed with Ohio State....and the frosh Lawson beat him!!

And I also remember when the Louisville regions and districts were at the top, especially the East District

And I also remember when the Louisville regions and districts were at the top, especially the East District

Yes, they have been both...at the bottom and at the top.  But if the numbers (recruits) of the private schools were the key to their success, they would have consistently been the best.  Of course, you'll get no argument from me that numbers certainly help!  You'll also get no argument from me that some of the schools have been more than aided by move-ins.   

You know, college coaches do 90 percent of their recruiting at national level tournaments during the late spring and summer , except for the Ironman, Beast, and NCWA. They don't want to watch a Brock or ATM wrestle a weak kid. Same thing is happening in all sports, club coaches are closer to college coaches than anyone. Highest level coaches I ever talked too were at camps and clinics. When I coached club soccer, I got a call from Anson Dorrance (UNC Womens coach All time winningest coach in any sport) and Jerry Yegerley (IU natonal champion coach) If you go to po dunk HS and you place at Fargo, Flo or NHSCA, they will fill your mailbox and phone. The advantages of Graham is that every time you wrestle for them, there isn't bad competition.

I tell you what, during 20 years at one school I had more talent move out of state then I got in transfers.

Nature of the beast...

yeah welcome to coaching in a city public school, at least we were successful

Private, public, big, or small, it makes no difference. Success is only defined by the one trying to obtain it. If you have an able willing wrestler with a knowledgable coach, the wins will come. Any coach that says he doesn't care if his kid is a State Champ, is a liar. We all want our kids to succeed. Now, that being said, does that define success? In my opinion, no, it does not. If the kid we coach learns the value of hard work and learns to be more than he ever expected, now that's success. Values, that's what this whole country is missing. As far as transfers go, everyone's situation is different. Do I always agree with it, no. Do I sometimes understand it? Sure. Bottom line, if you don't agree with transfers, make sure you can coach a kid to beat them. I could blow the lid off this site with what I know about less than admirable coaches, parents, and wrestlers from multiple teams, but it's not my story to tell.

Back on subject, once again, Congrats Kyle. Job well done.

Tapout not the same thing.  

 

School is about academics not about sports.  So transfering for academics is a lot different than transfering for sports.  I never said anything about gaining an academic scholarship.  I said just earning an education.  The education we are telling our kids is that you can bend, and take advantage of rules that we don't like or believe in. 

 

As for the college coaching thing.   You mean to tell me that ATM or Brock would have more college coaches looking at them if they were at Graham?  I don't believe that one bit

 

Now with all that said.  I believe that you should be allowed one transfer with no questions asked.  Then the second transfer would be have to be looked at with a fine tooth comb and only in very rare occations should it be allowed without a one year suspension.  Remember once again the kid will still be getting the education he/she is suppose to be getting in high school. Sports are a privilage not a right in high school.

I don't think school is JUST about academics. If that were true, schools wouldn't support any extracurricular activities. Most educators would agree that activities outside the classroom teach kids many things they can't teach in the classroom. In my opinion, school is about preparing people for life and hopefully offering opportunities upon graduation. Let's face it, athletics offer opportunities for many kids to attend colleges that they could never attend on academics alone. Furthermore, being a college athlete pays dividends well after college. Most employers value employees who were athletes and will hire candidates who wrestled or played another sport over some frat guy any day of the week. So if transferring to a school for athletics is going to open doors for a kid for potentially the rest of his life, I have no problem with it. Besides, in many instances the schools with great athletics have great academics also.

Would more college coaches be looking at Brock or ATM if they were at SPG? I don't know why you are so confident there wouldn't be. I think its safe to say that SPG is one of the best teams in the country and wrestles one of the toughest schedules. That can only help expose their kids to more college coaches. Also, as good as the coaching staffs are at CC and UC, they are not as good as SPG. Any wrestler, not just Brock or ATM, that spends 4 years in the room with Jordan and the rest of that team would improve more than in the room at CC or UC.

Raider, I agree with you about academics, its about gaining tools for life.

They still have attendance zones. If you don't live in their school district, you are required to pay tuition. They are not like a perocial school with no defined zone. And if you enroll after you have begun your highschool eligability, you are subject to a year of ineligability, without a bonified change of address to their district.

I like to just read this forum, but I had to get a login to correct this. In Ohio, if a public school has open enrollment, there is no tuition required to open enroll in that school. Sometimes the open enrollment is limited to adjacent school districts, sometimes it's the whole state. The open enrollment could also be limited due to capacity at the school, but if you are accepted, there is no tuition. 

Also, starting this year, if you transfer or open enroll in a new school once you have started high school, you only have to sit out 1/2 of the regular season contests in any sport that you participated in the prior year. You are immediately eligible for any sport that you did not participate in the prior year.

ok, lets get this back to The Lawsons , how did the little one do this year

Here's the vid of his match: 

No Lawson would not have won anywhere , he lost this yr ???

Graham has no attendance zones get real I know kids who drove over an hour and a half to get to school there in HS and others who live waaaay out if graham school district who do not even attend school and show up for practice "home schooled in HS " it's always funny hearing ignorant posts about Jordan saying he want his team to be d1 in Ohio when he actually recruits and gets more kids from out of his school district than most private schools in Ohio . That said yes a lot would go there others would not the drama and BS that how along with that type of school is not for wetting look at their coaches Jordan - half his relatives are on the team coach Ryan - both his kids were ditto Taylor when he was there . No trying to break a lineup against a kid who's dad is a coach or his favorites is not for everyone .

Graham is a powerhouse and one if the best open May rooms on the planet but let's be real its far from fairy tale perfect .

ATM did get better in that room as a young guy , Brock would not get better in SPG because the facts of life are that no one cares for you like your own and the Ervin's have taken care of Brock just as Jordan has take. Are of his own and SPG isn't known for helping the big boys but CSM is so ATM is where he is taken care of as well .

Congrats to Kyle Lawson a transfer for a yr to ky something that needs to be changed . Let KY rules apply to help KY kids as for transferring when a kid comes in from out of state in jr high they Should have to set out of HS comp a yr .

Yes that should apply to everyone .

 

As for the college coaching thing.   You mean to tell me that ATM or Brock would have more college coaches looking at them if they were at Graham?  I don't believe that one bit

 

I think the Graham boys being on a perennial top 5 nationally ranked team are getting more attention than our KY boys. Not that our kids are being overlooked but the level of competition is two different levels.Jordan and Graham are one of the most highly recognized programs in the country. Love em or hate em its hard to argue their success.

Lets face it overall the KY kids have to really get out and get recognized to get the attention of D1 coaches, its improving but not the same level.

I think jr high kids wrestling in high school in KY days are numbered. But you can argue it has helped grow the sport. KY doesn't have population like our surrounding states and worships a sport that's not wrestling. Middle schoolers on high school teams have helped small programs be competitive to a certain level (I have used jr high kids in the state tournament several times and I believe we had the first one from Jefferson County to place) So we have some families that move in on occasion, I just hope wrestling or any sport doesn't over consume their life so they can't be a kid.

That last statement Biged is one that we as parents/coaches/spectators overlook. 

Lets also face another fact if a kid like Brock or Austin do well without being on a perennial top 5 nationally ea ked team in their own state and show up at nat level tourneys and win , I don't think it matters if you wrestle for Blair or Grant Co , or Harlan elementary , if I'm a college coach and I see a kid from a non powerhouse team dominate his state and when he visits states like Ohio and Indiana , then see the same kid show up on the radar winning nat tournys , I want that kid first because he evidently gets it done without the great schedule great partners and ranked teammates and coaches of top 5 times .

In other words I would take a Brock or an ATM OVER A KID FROM SPG ANYDAY when you take them out of that atmosphere and it becomes even up for everyone the guys getting it done without the advantage of jacked up room coach and schedule will dominate they have more room to improve .

That's the point Coach Koll from Cornell makes a lot. He looks for kids with the potential to make the next step. Gabe Dean was an excellent high school wrestler and was a state champ from a very good state (Michigan). He wasn't on a dominant team nor a "blue chip" recruit like many others. Absolutely nobody saw him beating Ruth and doing as well as he has.

The playing field has been leveled compared to 20 years ago. Flo, and YouTube give kids peeks into the latest training tips and technique. Graham/Jordan may have the luxury of blowing off Fargo and some other national events, but any kid can garner the national accolades if he gets out there in the offseason.