Topic ID: 10645 | 44 Posts
I see a lot of national tournaments mentioned on our forum, but do we have many kids going to Fargo during the summmers?
If you look at the athletes who placed at the NCAA Division I Tournaments from 2006-2012, you'll see 83.36% of them at least wrestled in Fargo. 69.44% of the Division I All-Americans in that 7-year span also placed in Fargo. (I don't have stats for the most recent tournaments.)
Just curious...
That is a good selling point. Off season workouts and tournaments turn good wrestlers to great wrestlers.
When and where is the closet regional?
Central Regionals in Indy May 16-18. Go to http://www.teamusa.org/Home/USA-Wrestling/Events to see a list of all.
Mike Frankrone, I see you reading. Your stud would be a monster at Greco!!!
How different is it from folkstyle?
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THIS is THE tournament to go to. The others pale in comparison. Freshman and Soph nationals carry little weight as the comp is sketchy. Things step up a bit at Junior nats, but still light years from Fargo.
Greco is all upper body(throws, slide bys, body locks, etc). You can't touch, attack the legs. Here's a great video of an Olympic medalist, Dennis Hall.
Even though I believe Otto is trying to stir the pot a bit with a certain poster, he is dead on. No tournament, in-season or off-season, that we've been to/seen compares to Fargo. This includes super32, ironman, beast, powerade, or any other name you can come up with. Like the Rose Bowl this is the daddy of them all.
Greco is all upper body(throws, slide bys, body locks, etc). You can't touch, attack the legs. Here's a great video of an Olympic medalist, Dennis Hall.
I prefer the Dennis Hall v Brandon Paulson match #3 from the 2004 Olympic trials. Greatest match I have ever seen. Watching it in person was amazing. So much of what wrestling is all about.
Yeah, you are correct, but I was giving him one that didn't take 15 minutes to watch! 
So, does anyone know if any of our kids plan on going to Fargo? My son is a youngster, but I like seeing how our kids match up against that level of competition.
Oh yeah! You're right! I think Tyler would do very well. I'll be talking to him about wrestling Greco.
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Definitely need KYs best to represent. What you and otto had to say is Dead on!
Even though I believe Otto is trying to stir the pot a bit with a certain poster, he is dead on. No tournament, in-season or off-season, that we've been to/seen compares to Fargo. This includes super32, ironman, beast, powerade, or any other name you can come up with. Like the Rose Bowl this is the daddy of them all.
Frankrone, Matthews, Brandon Johnson. I bet we could put together a great junior team.
Even though I believe Otto is trying to stir the pot a bit with a certain poster, he is dead on. No tournament, in-season or off-season, that we've been to/seen compares to Fargo. This includes super32, ironman, beast, powerade, or any other name you can come up with. Like the Rose Bowl this is the daddy of them all.
Not taking pot shots at all. If you haven't noticed, I have stayed away from a number of inflammatory posts. What I stated in my earlier post is considered common knowledge. I don't mean to knock the other events, Fargo is the big prize hands down. Hey, nothing wrong with Fr Nats, or Soph Nats. The problem comes in when few of the better guys attend. This is and has been the case.The most important thing is to stay busy in the "off" season. Mixing in Greco and FS is a great way to keep things fresh. Further, you can add to your arsenal.
As an aside, there was a nice thread on Yappi congratulating Austin on his state title. What, you say? OH talking nice about a Myers? How could this be? Well, because the powers that be keep a certain person off the boards. In this way, we are able to enjoy watching/hearing about a good wrestler. Amazing how that works out.
Here's the thread. I got a laugh at a few posts knowing that a major $#!tstorm would erupt if somebody would be allowed to post. These concern Frueauf vs Myers. Would be a great match to see. Frueauf is very athletic, but I don't know if he could score on Myers. Anyway, here it is: http://www.yappi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263675
]Luke Fickell has done everything at the upper weights an underclassmen. He'd be the only one though. Too bad he chose football in college. He dominated in Ohio his last three years and won Fargo in decisive fashion as well.
And, Tarzan, it's an absolute compliment to be compared to Fickell.
State finals against an undefeated stud.
ATM did dominate Nye who was 4th in Ohio. Nye barely missed the finals.
Fickell won Fargo and is considered by most to be the greatest high school upper weight wrestler ever. It's not even close....until now.
Saying ATM compares to him is an absolute compliment.
Miller may be interested if others go
Really because I don't think so , particularly these days , I think Mat Koz or some other three time champs and four x placers in Ohio in d1 may disagree , I know a little as well bro
Not even a four x placer better than Koz or a Snyder your dreaming of course you probably want me to blast Fickel to lose some support for ATM lol you people are sick .
And perhaps it's as much a compliment to Fickel if not more so , I would think comparing him to who is going to be his states first ever four timer over 220 an undefeated wrestler who has dominated ohio as well as ky would be .
Mr. Myers,
I'll state that ATM's finals match reminded me a lot of Fickell. Watching that match made me convinced he's a legit DI 197 lber right now. I'm not snarky enough to bait you into anything. I wish him continued success wherever he wrestles. I wish you the peace of ignoring the detractors. You'll never convince them of anything. Results speak louder than words and you can't argue with what's happened on the mat. I'll refrain from participating in any discussion of him.
That's very honorable as it becomes unclear as to your intent when you post along with those whose intent has been obvious since the day Stephen and Austin came to KY .
And thanks for the compliment there have been some great wrestlers in Ohio buts since Austin was about six he dreamed of being a four timer , his hero was Max Thomuseit and his good friend and former coach Ryan Root , he and Koz were very close when KOZ was at LaSalle .
Have we ever had a Kentucky wrestler win Fargo?
Forget that last post...I found the answer. Here is the Kentucky description in a state by state breakdown of Fargo performance.
Kentucky
Not traditionally known as a wrestling state, Kentucky has only earned eight medals in the history of the six events, with four of them coming from Joe Carr Jr. Carr gave Kentucky its best finish in 1997 when he made the finals at 143 pounds where he was defeated by Sonny Marchette of Ohio. The Carr family is the same one that produced Nate Carr and Jimmy Carr, who made the 1972 Olympic Team while still in high school.
As I said before , to think you could put together a successful Fargo jr nat team is a bit of a stretch even for a state on the rise in the sport . Going from only having ever placed there eight times total as a state in the history of the sport to wrestling against teams who probably have wrestlers who combined have more than that on it presently , will not happen . Ky is not a fr gr state and it would be very hard to train a person who could double or win in Fargo , by double I mean place in both classes a feat that is considered the ultimate by some in the sport even better than winning one style because you have to wrestle multiple days on end and make weight multiple times , many of your champions stick to one style and hope to get an edge on those who are tough enough to double ,
I'm sure after NHSCA nationals and national duals , there may be a bit more to discuss on the topic , let the young lions focus on the tasks at hand before thinking ahead I'm sure ky could pick up a few AA plaques in Fargo if some of the best set their mind to it . I actually could see some doubling and making a nice run at a title , it would surely be a big moment for ky and actually the sport , the real problem is ky does not have proper camps and coaching to prepare for Fargo like other states do , when my son wrestled on the Ohio team and Doubled , Fahy actually went to the st Ed's Ohio Fargo camp with team Ohio and I'm certain it would not be allowed any longer .
And make no mistake the buckeye posters on this site understand the obstacles in the road for KY wrestlers at Fargo and choose to rub salt in a wound by trying to make ky wrestlers fans etc feel inferior for not having a strong Fargo tradition . Lol its hardly mandatory for being a great wrestler , just ask almost all the graham wrestlers who are in college they never put on a red or blue singlet in their live unless their college team wears those colors . And before anyone feels inferior Dont sweat ottos taunts there are wrestlers in ky that can beat any wrestler in Ohio in those styles and has .
Tarzan...
I saw where you said your son was a Double in Fargo...I am assuming a double champion. That is impressive. It may have been some time ago, but still..congratulations. That always looks good on a resume.
No not a double champion a double All American - meaning he made top eight in Greco then top eight in Freestyle the same yr meaning the same week at Fargo he placed sixth his first cadet yr in free then returned and placed fifth and fourth I'm Greco and freestyle , he just missed making the finals his match with Bryce Brill is on you tube many thought Stephen pinned him in the match but the ref did not give it . Either way it was always his goal to double his coaches at Prodigy had always pushed him for the double rather than to focus just on freestyle which was what he seemed better at to most people and he had win schoolboy as well as cadet fr and gr state in Ohio as well as KY ,. He had some great matches in Fargo nearly beating Ben Whitford and beating Hayden Tuma , his classes there were always amongst the toughest , Collica Ward and Fahy were all in his class the first yr he Became an AA and none of them placed !!!
Its a different sport and a different level than HS state .
It is definitely a different world than a state tournament! I also see that, sometimes, there are even triple crown winners...kids who win freestyle, greco and the USA Wrestling Cadet or Junior Folkstyle national title. I think Indiana had a kid do that in recent years, Mitch Sliga....currently at Northwestern. That's "big boy" right there!
I saw Sliga at Fargo he was impressive , Ben Whitford who won Stephens class was a double nat champ and ow winner at cadet Fargo that yr.
Ohio is very competitive and did well Ill won I think with a big crop of recruits and more than their share of calls in my opinion . . Ohio had a few doublers that yr .and Walls from eds won a cadet title if I'm not mistaken .
I'm not sure about Walls, but Illinois did win.
Frankrone, Matthews, Brandon Johnson. I bet we could put together a great junior team.
All of you talk with Jon Carr. He is again heading the Fargo team. Always looking for coaches to help train, attend and help coach the team at Fargo.
ATM did dominate Nye who was 4th in Ohio. Nye barely missed the finals.
Nye was in a very tough weight class as well. Pre-season rankings had him #1 in state at heavyweight. The word was that he was going to bump to HWT as he was not going to be top dog at 220. I still don't know why he did not make the bump. HWT was down in DI this year. Nye took 3rd at districts getting stuck in one match in 1:42. Top four from each district advance. At state he beat a good Millin in 2nd round before losing to eventual champ Pfarr in semis.
So, I comment on how tough 220 was while giving Nye props for taking 3rd and that is how you respond? I intentionally stayed away from the fact that Freauf stuck Nye in the first period at districts. Why? Because I wanted to keep this civil and give Nye props. Notice how I gave a link to the thread where all those "Ohio haters" congratulated Austin? Those same haters that have now gone on to wish Stephen good luck in NAIA. I never said Freauf could beat Austin. In fact, I said that I don't know that he could even score on Austin. So give it a rest already. Your act is a tired one.
talk about different level guys at fargo.. Aaron pico has to be in that conversation, he is one of the most dominate wrestlers to come thru the school ranks in a long time. However California seems to do well at fargo every year, they have some studs out there..
talk about different level guys at fargo.. Aaron pico has to be in that conversation, he is one of the most dominate wrestlers to come thru the school ranks in a long time. However California seems to do well at fargo every year, they have some studs out there..
Right on Leonidas. Pico is a freak!
Pico isn't wrestling anymore sadly
Pico isn't wrestling anymore sadly
Source? It's my understanding he is training freestyle only in order to focus on the Olympics. He's not wrestling in high school or college, but he's still on the mat.
We were talking about it on openmat so check there because I am easily mistaken. I think he is still wrestling freestyle with an eye towards the Olympics, but at the same time I remember very clearly his focus towards MMA which caused him to turn away from high school and even college (ala Henry Cejudo)
Hes gonna wrestle 2016 and 2020 olympics the do mma
http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/12525
This is the write up on intermat, there are also several articles from local papers in California about him leaving high school and continuing his study's privately so he can concentrate on training for 2016/2020 Olympic games than transition into MMA.
Cejudo popularized that idea. Destin McCauley and Tanner Hall were two others who did that
