http://ohiotofc.com/PastResults/Details?year=2014

 

Some KY kids did really well against what appears to be some great competition.

 

Tucker Hurst-1st (3 OT wins just like he likes it)

David Carr- 1st

Max Andreoni-2nd

Jack Fallon-4th

Dylan West- 3rd

Logan Erdman- 3rd

Justin Lampe -4th

Dominic Lampe-3rd

 

Even old guy Ethan Miller gettin in on the action taking 2nd in Open Division hahaha.

 

Keep it up guys.  Offseason is when champions are made.

That is awesome that these guys went and competed. This is a tough tournament. No joke. Woodford looks solid next year. Those 4 guys plus a handful of others.

David Carr will not be at Woodford next year. But Hurst and Androni should be bigtime players for them.

That decision has not been made to my knowledge so maybe unless NighthawkWrestling is Nate Carr and I don't know it perhaps let the family figure their plans out before you do it for them.

It may not be their place to say for sure, but if they have heard rumors, they have the right to ask. I've heard the same rumors, but we will have to wait and see.

congrats to all the ky guys, great showing

well rumors are just that.

Just a few other kids that I followed this weekend:

Spencer Moore 5th

Ryan Moore 7th

Dii'on Leavell 5th

Kadin Kulmer 4th

Zane Brown and Daulton Mayer a match from placing

Duck,

I'm not a betting man, but I'd be willing to bet a you a Coke that David Carr is moving on to "bigger and better things" .  That's kind of been the popular thing to do these past few years and who can blame these parents for putting their special athletes in a position to compete for a state title in Ky as a 7th or 8th grader then move them back to their home state in a much better position to compete in their home state when they get to high school.  Btw..im hearing another young ms stud from another state is relocating to our great bluegrass state to do the same thing again next year. Speaking of rumors, that's just that but not started by me. That's what I heard. And I don't know who it is or if it's true.  My question is when are we going to stop this from happening? I personally loved the opportunity my own son had by wrestling varsity as an 8th grader but I see what's going on and it bothers me.  It's one thing to move here and stay here.   I could be wrong about Carr but I don't think I am.  My gut says he's gone.  I wish him well if he does.  We will see very soon.

Christen Estrada and Clayton Hanson both were a match away from placing

Odd everyone saying he should or expecting him to leave when he has as good a coaching staff where he is minus the constant attention of his dad I guess , and if Woodford opened up a bit as far as scheduling and hit a few say four decent sized tourneys out of state it probably my would not make a difference where he was either KY or Ohio .you simply have to hit other aspects of the sport harder to make up for whatever else is lacking as far as comp or partners or whatever and nit be one lax where you are .

As for the MS stuff still say MS transfers should not be allowed to compete in HS in KY their first yr here .It would weed out the one yr pit stoppers .

Think Grazziani from CC went 2 and 2 , training hard hitting off season tourneys .

Like his partner Sinclair did last yr I expect he will jump from not placing to a very high placing next yr for CC.

Wells Holden Moore Krebs Yenter Sparh Mathews Grazziani Myers all with Major off season experience and a couple more I may be missing .All with shots of placing at state if everyone can find a spot .looks like at least eight placers for CC to me the key being the off season work "REAL WORK "A bit early to say but this team could be top 3 but some kids will have to hit the weight room and the chow lines to spread them out .Not sure about their young heavy but he is a go getter and being around the other upper weights at CC he could surprise if all the CC top kids get out of regions as ones and twos it could get nasty at state .but looking at last Yrs brackets region could be a huge factor if Mathews is at the right weight he could be a state champ and Grazziani is one of the strongest athletes in the state with some mat time he is a high placer and a potential Champ before he is through .

The biggest off season tournament in the nation is yet to come it should be filled with highs and lows .

Carrs haven't made decision on next year.  Just chill, you'll know when they do.  PinAndWin:  I am a betting man and I'm not placing a bet on a 15 yr olds future.

 

 

I would be in favor of a rule that kids coming from a state that doesn't allow middle school varsity competition to have to sit out one year before competing.  Seems fair to KY kids and also still allows for transfers to come in...they just have to be willing to miss a year (you could still practice just not compete in varsity matches).

It's just a Coke:)  If David Carr stays then that's terrific.  Nothing personal with the kid.  I totally agree with your line of thinking.  Something needs to change.  Just too easy to come in and leave and not fair at all to the kids that are there working to have a spot snatched out from under them when the transfer kid has no intention on staying.  It's not fair and not right.  I think it sheds a bad light on our state as well.  Makes us look second rate, a stigma we are striving to overcome.  JMHO

I agree but each situation is a little different. here you have a kid coming to Wofo to wrestle under his uncle and cousin's training.  David is in school, makes good grades, lives here etc.  Other kids that popped in for 6 months and then are gone the week after state tournament?  That is not fair at all.  Have to stop that from happening anymore.

 

Ok then I'll bet you a sweet tea

"One and Done" no long applies to University of Kentucky basketball now it applies to Kentucky wrestling @ Woodford County! 

I think you mean SUCCEED AND PROCEED.

I posted something about the problem before the season started and I took a beating. I think that if a MS kid moves in from another state, they should be required to wrestle one season at the middle school level and than move up the following season. For example...if an 8th grader moves to KY, he can only wrestle the MS schedule. His 9th grade year he could wrestle Varsity. This would stop those that move in and leave. Again, this is not a Woodford County problem. It is a State problem. Unfortunately, the only way to get it changed is to get an AD to wirte a proposal and the Board of Control accept it.

I think you mean SUCCEED AND PROCEED.

 

I do have that t-shirt lol

 

40-0!

Coach McCoy, I remember your comments on this and hoped you would chime in again. But it's obviously a non issue, because it appears no one in any sort of position of authority has tried change it. It's absolutely a state problem.

I posted something about the problem before the season started and I took a beating. I think that if a MS kid moves in from another state, they should be required to wrestle one season at the middle school level and than move up the following season. For example...if an 8th grader moves to KY, he can only wrestle the MS schedule. His 9th grade year he could wrestle Varsity. This would stop those that move in and leave. Again, this is not a Woodford County problem. It is a State problem. Unfortunately, the only way to get it changed is to get an AD to wirte a proposal and the Board of Control accept it.

I understand the problem, but this solution would possibly penalize the talented kid that moves in to live legitimately.  The 8th grader moving in for a year and winning state is still the exception rather than the norm.  The only way to easily prevent this from happening is to prevent all middle schoolers from wrestling in high school.  And that I don't think we should do.  

I posted something about the problem before the season started and I took a beating. I think that if a MS kid moves in from another state, they should be required to wrestle one season at the middle school level and than move up the following season. For example...if an 8th grader moves to KY, he can only wrestle the MS schedule. His 9th grade year he could wrestle Varsity. This would stop those that move in and leave. Again, this is not a Woodford County problem. It is a State problem. Unfortunately, the only way to get it changed is to get an AD to wirte a proposal and the Board of Control accept it.

 

In doing that you will more than likely create a scenario where MS kids will no longer be allowed to wrestle in HS.

News flash....we're the only state to my knowledge doing it. Early on it gave our state the boost in the arm it needed. We are now on track. However, it's presenting a legitimate problem that needs to be addressed.

It's going to take folks like Coach McCoy that actually have a voice to put things in motion. Anyone see this the way I do?

If there is a way to allow MS kids to wrestle in High School but eliminate folks from using us, I am all ears.

I still believe it's a valuable asset having ms wrestlers being able to wrestle up. I know wrestling has come a long way, but you can use my program as an example. As much as I would like, I don't have the means to have a middle school team at this time, but I have 3 kids who wanted to wrestle. So this gave them an opportunity even though we don't have a ms team. Also unfortunately I have very low numbers. Those 3 middle school wrestlers filled 3 spots in my varsity roster, taking me from 7 to 10. So in my situation I'm all for it.

I'll probably get heat for it, but it comes down to coach integrity. Let's be honest, you know what the deal is when the situation comes up. As a coach if you know it's a move in one and done deal, just say no. It's like I teach my son, if you know it's wrong, don't do it. Regardless of whether it's technically "within" the rules.

And if it was only an issue of a kid coming in so that he could wrestle in hs and get better or have a chance at a title, how is it that those kids never are at a school that's not "in the mix" at state? Just coincidence I suppose they always find a house in a school district with a good wrestling team

just comes down to doing the right thing. Wouldnt have to changes rules if a small amount of people would just do the right thing

Well i don't believe those parents are going to tell the coach it's temporary either. I understand your circumstance and understand the value of allowing middle school kids to wrestle up. That's not my issue with it.

Well i don't believe those parents are going to tell the coach it's temporary either. I understand your circumstance and understand the value of allowing middle school kids to wrestle up. That's not my issue with it.

I respect your opinion, and maybe the coach deserves the benefit of the doubt, but I believe it's nieve to think the coaches don't know the situation. Imo

Good point.

I think its naive to think all coaches are going to do the right thing though as well. That's why there are rules.

Good point.

I think its naive to think all coaches are going to do the right thing though as well. That's why there are rules.

I will add that I don't believe it's always the coaches call. Everyone knows there is pressure on coaches to win. It's not always easy to do what others see as right. Many outside forces also play into why things happen.

Which is why rules are put in place to eliminate temptation to do the wrong thing. Makes it cut and dry. I think coach McCoy's idea is a good one. Eliminates the temporary resident and still allows ms kids to wrestle varsity if they are capable. This needs it's own thread again.

Which is why rules are put in place to eliminate temptation to do the wrong thing. Makes it cut and dry. I think coach McCoy's idea is a good one. Eliminates the temporary resident and still allows ms kids to wrestle varsity if they are capable. This needs it's own thread again.

good point as well

Thank you coaches for giving your opinions. Hopefully this can get resolved. I am hopefull this will be addressed in the near future.

Just a hunch, but I'm pretty sure the 8th grader(s) wouldn't have moved into KY in the first place if they had to wrestle a MS schedule for a year before wrestling varsity.  If they couldn't win a state championship in 8th grade in KY, why would they come?

Just a hunch, but I'm pretty sure the 8th grader(s) wouldn't have moved into KY in the first place if they had to wrestle a MS schedule for a year before wrestling varsity.  If they couldn't win a state championship in 8th grade in KY, why would they come?

Depending on which high school they were planning on wrestling varsity and in particular what county let him participate is the question. If in Jefferson county then why not wrestle and win a middle school state championship first? 

Big 10 - that is the point exactly. We dont want people moving in just to win as a MS wrestler than leave.

It would be great if every person was willing to do what is right, but they are not.  That is why rules are needed.  And even with rules, there are still those who will play in the grey areas and plead ignorance or say, "There is no rule against it."  (Of course we could argue what is "right" all day long.)  

 

It seems the best way to stop the one year transfer is to make the rule proposed earlier.  Any Middle School wrestler who has moved into the area will need to sit our their first year from Varsity competition.   They may practice with the Varsity and participate at the Middle School level.  After that year, they are eligible for full participation. 

 

And, is this really a "state" problem?  Do we see this happening at multiple programs throughout the state or is it unique to certain programs?  I know there is constant recruiting and attempts by coaches to pull kids out of other programs, but with the Middle School Move-In, is it that widespread?  

cmccoy - we are aligned sir.  I believe it would certainly eliminate the problem.  We all know it is not a 'widespread' issue as well.  If a wrestler wants to move in just to wrestle with a particular team (strong coaching/internal competition etc.) then who am I to say no.  I believe I would do the same for my own kid.  However, I would do it for that reason alone and would absolutely accept not wrestling a HS schedule for the one year as proposed.

Again, I see this as the exception rather than the rule.  Your talking about creating a special rule, that will require oversight, that could potentially have a negative affect on kids who legitimately move into state.  So what if a super stud 8th grader comes in and wins state once every 4 or 5 years.  As Kentucky wrestling continues to improve, the possibility of an 8th grader being able to come in and win high school state will become more and more remote.  

I would think we would have more important things to focus on. I don't think limiting competition is a step in the right direction.

 

Not to mention we are way off topic.

Again, I see this as the exception rather than the rule. Your talking about creating a special rule, that will require oversight, that could potentially have a negative affect on kids who legitimately move into state. So what if a super stud 8th grader comes in and wins state once every 4 or 5 years. As Kentucky wrestling continues to improve, the possibility of an 8th grader being able to come in and win high school state will become more and more remote.

I'd say the majority of the kids in 8th grade capable of winning a state title are supposed to be freshmen ,

I would think we would have more important things to focus on. I don't think limiting competition is a step in the right direction.

 

Not to mention we are way off topic.

 

Fitting comment since Woodford seems to benefit the most from the "one and done's"

Fitting comment since Woodford seems to benefit the most from the "one and done's"

Is that supposed to be a jab at me?

What do I care if Woodford benefits from an eighth grade transfer, " one & done"???

Is that supposed to be a jab at me?

What do I care if Woodford benefits from an eighth grade transfer, " one & done"???

Guessing this person is confused about which Coach Carr you are.

I do have you confused. My apologies-- Regardless it is a joke  

Recently Woodford, the past two years, has had MS kids move in and compete for state titles but that is hardly the norm for the vast history of the program. Almost all, upwards of 95%, wrestlers were home-grown and trained. Check the stats.

cmccoy, on 01 May 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

I posted something about the problem before the season started and I took a beating. I think that if a MS kid moves in from another state, they should be required to wrestle one season at the middle school level and than move up the following season. For example...if an 8th grader moves to KY, he can only wrestle the MS schedule. His 9th grade year he could wrestle Varsity. This would stop those that move in and leave. Again, this is not a Woodford County problem. It is a State problem. Unfortunately, the only way to get it changed is to get an AD to wirte a proposal and the Board of Control accept it.

What happens if the kid's parent is military and they move in to Fort Knox, Fort Campbell or one their surrounding communities? Do we deny those wrestlers a year of Varsity wrestling because others are not doing things fairly? What if the program they get involved with has no Middle School program? What then? Should it not be considered on a case by case basis?

I think like many rules, it should be handled case by case with exceptions.