I finally gave in to the peer pressure and decided to post a summer update.  This time of year is tough because there are a bunch of kids who have been very visible so we know how they are growing (or not) while others fall off the radar and we are left to guess or leave them where they are.  Bottom line, they are just early summer preseason rankings. 

A few items of note:

- As soon as I hit post a thousand people will post or send me IMs about mistakes and errors.  Oh well.  As always, I welcome input/feedback. 

- Team Race = right now I see Trinity and Union County with a decent margin on the field, but the next half dozen teams have an outside shot and a clear drop off after that.

- Duals = with the strength of their strong development through River City, I think St Xavier has the depth to be the best dual team this year, but Trinity will also be strong in the format.

- Individuals = we seem to have more non-seniors and "unproven" guys near the top than usual.  This is maybe expected with the amazing class that just graduated. Assuming all of the weight guesses are spot on (and we know they are NOT), I can see some guys shifting weights to improve their chances at a title.

- Upcoming = I think I read somewhere that someone wanted to see a P4P ranking.  I also came across an old Grade ranking I did years ago.  Let me get with my buddy Dutch and we might be able to pull some of those together in the next couple weeks.

WR Rankings 2014_15 preseason 062414.pdf

Thanks Ranger!

Just a reminder, for the boneheads out there who tend to forget this, these are rankings and early summer rankings at that.  Rankings will determine exactly:

State champions = 0

Actual matches won = 0

Tournament seeds = 0

They are good for discussion and for the wrestling community to get an idea how the field stacks up.  As I have said on a number of occassions, rankings are not perfect and what I put together are no different.  Over the years I have put an enormous amount of time and energy into this process and thanks to the input of a lot of coaches, fans, parents, and wrestlers they have been pretty darn good.  And this season i have recruited a secret weapon to help me stay on top of things better so WE should be even more accurate.  But seeds, matches, and championships are won in the wrestling room and on the mat, not on paper/online.

But it seems a few times a year crazy moms and dads like to blow up phones with texts and voicemails or make uninformed comments on social media or on this site as soon as little Johnny isn't ranked as high as they would like.  So what.  It is summer.  When Johnny wins some matches during the season he will move up.  Post the results or send a nice PM to me.  If it gets ignored, so what.  It won't prevent him from winning further matches.  Then you can say I told you so.

As for trying to please anyone with rankings, it ain't happening.  There are probably only 14 people/families happy with the rankings.  Actually, less than that because I know at least one of those parents doesn't like me very much.  Oh well.  I hear plenty of whining about my #18 kid beat #16 in the backyard after my daughter's birthday party last week.  Everyone tends to ignore their losses.  Guess it doesn't matter that your daughter's 6 year old best friend pinned that #18 kid in 12 seconds.  Or even that he has a losing record.

The bottom line is this, for those who think they can do better, it is a free country and it doesn't cost you anything to post on this site.  Do your own.  All I can say is it's not nearly as easy as you think.  Read through the top 20 and figure out how many of those kids you have heard of or could pick out of a lineup.  Likely not many.  And then remember that we all get to criticize you when (not if) you are wrong.  And do it over and over.  Because as much as the soccer mom's like to whine and complain, they can never get enough.

Ranger123 you do a great job. Keep up the good work.

Looking good Ranger....I like Chris Beeler a little higher and lovin' me some Tucker Hurst whatever weight he ends up at and Max Andreoni from Woodford.   Looks like Coach Green and Coach Chapman at Lafayette have a loaded roster this year....Torgerson will finish higher than currently ranked and so will Bossert.....Plus you got Landon Young who will run the table....He WON'T get caught this year unless ATM decides to go HWT....Don' t see that happening......Vasquez and Green...both MACHINES !!!!!    I see Lafayette TOP 3 for the first time ever !!!!

C'mon range don't mind the mindless.  Just keep up the good work and  tell us who is looking good this year.

The greatest thing about your rankings is that we can see some of those kids that we really don't pay much attention to, or have a chance to see during the year. 

You have been doing this for to many years to count. 

Now it would be nice to evovle a little bit. I know that we have Track Wrestling, but it would be nice if we could get the results posted on here along with the rankings.  I think that would also help with mama and papa pointing out #20 beat #18, and leaving out #20 lost to #30. 

Would be nice if someone (not me) could do like the other sport rankings.   Showing the top 20 and who they wrestled that week.

I know, I know there is no way that you could do this also.  But some of these others who seem to have the time to critisize the rankings could take this easy resposibility. 

As always:  These are the opinions of GOO nothing more and nothing less.

GOO out.

Huge fan of Landon. Would enjoy seeing him on top of the podium. The interesting thing with the Lafayette lineup is most will return. Will be tough for a couple years.

Ranger, 

Great job on the rankings.

Allot of us crazy wrestling dads really appreciate it, and the work you put into it.  

By the way, your follow-up post made me laugh so hard that I spit a drink all over my keyboard, (Probably because it’s actually pretty spot-on in regards to the absurdity of us parents)

I say AMEN Brother to the statement, “seeds, matches, and championships are won in the wrestling room and on the mat, not on paper/online.”

Although I try to discourage my son from looking at the rankings, most of them all do it, rather they admit it or not. I know it becomes a topic during the lunch period at X anytime you update.

My advice (TIFWIW) to people upset by the rankings would be, use it as best you can to your advantage. (In pure “wrestling dad” motivational ways.  )

If little Johnny feels that he should be ranked higher, and he beat this kid and that kid and so on, instead of blowing up Ranger, I would suggest that you tell Johnny to WORK HARDER so you beat everyone, every time, and leave no doubt.  

Funny thing is, anytime it is brought up in my household, which is rare, I usually remind him that there are kids he has beat in front of him, and others he has lost to behind him. My suggestion to him again is, WORK HARDER!

I remind him that the kids behind you are looking to kick your ass so they can climb up the rankings, while you are looking to kick the ass of the kids in front of you so you can climb up.

So it all comes back to WORK HARDER! (I know, I said it three times, no comments from the peanut gallery please.)

All I am saying is that the rankings should be for discussion and fun. Everything eventually gets settled ON THE MAT.  

Rankings are always for the fans anyway. They have whole sports TV and radio shows where rankings are discussed at nauseum. Usually for college football. It should all be taken in fun. 

Like I always tell my son, if you are ranked in the top 10 you better go out there and wrestle like a top10 wrestler or someone else will take your spot.

Yep don't pay attention to rankings , let dad's and coaches do that just do your best and if your best is better than predicted then it still doesn't mean a thing because you wrestle for You and no one else and you know how good you are before any rankings from someone who doesn't know how good you are come out .

P4P should be interesting .

A decent tournament coming up in N Dakota in a few weeks maybe it will clear up a few questions on a few topics if they have not already been answered .

Get job as always ranger!

132- AJ Binder is at Fern Creek? When did that happen?

132- AJ Binder is at Fern Creek? When did that happen?

He probably will not be at St. X and it's not because he doesn't want to be there. I think that from a wrestling standpoint Fern Creek would make the most sense.  I will say nothing concrete has been decided.

For those who follow Meade Co. To my knowledge Chris Beeler has moved to wrestling IN and may end up in TX, Wade Beeler has moved to TX, and Devonte Duncan graduated and will attend West Point Military Academy. This will most likely will be a transitional year for the Meade Co Wrestling Team and first Year in newly built Wrestling room/facility. Many new Wrestlers and Coaches from what I hear. 

Saw some cool rankings Today .

USA future Olympian Rankings .

ATM at 4 at 220 surprised he made it that high with it being based on points scored from overall tourneys he has two higher placings than #3 at central Regionals.

It's about to get real Interesting IN Fargo.

and real interesting in the overall Rankings .

Branden Johnson from Dixie isn't wrestling

That makes no sense whatsoever ,

That makes no sense whatsoever ,

I'm guessing it's because of the full football ride he got to Eastern Michigan.

As wrestling could only help his performance and hinder it in no way as I do not personally see him.getting hurt" hes thick and tough "it makes little sense to me.he has more of a chance getting hurt in.football .

It all depends on whats in your heart.

Ranger you and your buddy Dutch get P4P together yet ?

Ranger you and your buddy Dutch get P4P together yet ?

We are close. Got distracted with a camp the last few days. Plan to finish it up by weeks end. Here is a start:

#1 Austin Myers

As wrestling could only help his performance and hinder it in no way as I do not personally see him.getting hurt" hes thick and tough "it makes little sense to me.he has more of a chance getting hurt in.football .

It all depends on whats in your heart.

I agree.  I coach both sports, and I'm way more worried about my wrestlers getting hurt playing football than the other way around.  I'd imagine the Eastern Michigan wants him to gain a little weight, but they can do that when he gets on campus.  I guess the possibility also exists that he could graduate early and head to college in the spring, which would certainly take wrestling off the table.

We are close. Got distracted with a camp the last few days. Plan to finish it up by weeks end. Here is a start:

#1 Austin Myers

I'd say you are headed the right direction!

I agree.  I coach both sports, and I'm way more worried about my wrestlers getting hurt playing football than the other way around.  I'd imagine the Eastern Michigan wants him to gain a little weight, but they can do that when he gets on campus.  I guess the possibility also exists that he could graduate early and head to college in the spring, which would certainly take wrestling off the table.

The coaching change may also be a reason.  Coach Simmons may have been what kept him comming out for the team.

We are close. Got distracted with a camp the last few days. Plan to finish it up by weeks end. Here is a start:

#1 Austin Myers

I would also add.  Austin Myers, 2015 MVW/MOW whichever it is now.

lets hope this time next week its Austin Myers Greco All American en route to Double AA.Road dogs headed out tomorrow safe travels to all those making the trip .

lets hope this time next week its Austin Myers Greco All American en route to Double AA.Road dogs headed out tomorrow safe travels to all those making the trip .

I think Austin will bring back some hardware. After watching him and Matt brown go live for an hour at my house. I think he is ready to roll. Good luck Austin and the rest of the ky boys.

Anyone know if Jeremiah Cline from Trigg co is wrestling this year?

How about Dylan West?

It's my understanding that Dylan ' s wrestling career is over.

What happened to Dylan?

Anyone know if Jeremiah Cline from Trigg co is wrestling this year?

How about Dylan West?

I believe he will be back on the mat this season.

Justweight...who are you speaking of? There are 2 guys in question.

I don't know about west. Sorry about the confusion.

Kline wrestled in bgsg and looked really good

Derrick soper beat Trevor Edmonson at regionals 10-5 and he pinned skyler Martianson. He shouldn't be that low. He's better than that.

Ranger as usual great job! There are a few individuals I see that weight wise you have incorrect but I know you can't keep tabs on all the kids after season.

Little Louie Regalado will definitely not be rolling back into 106. I saw him at a couple tournaments about month or after season and he will be a 120 at least this season. If he makes 113, I will be highly surprised. I do not think you gave Chance Oxford enough love and I feel he could be top 5 at least. I know it is a tough choice but Max Andreoni should be top 2 for sure. Since Ki Ryder is out of the picture Gino Haywood will take back the 170 spot. Right now, at 182 he is definitely not a top 10 performer. Haywood can be in the top 8 at 170 and I bet that is where he will run to once the season kicks off.

I heard that Tyler Frankrone may be jumping to 220, is this true?

As usual just my opinion like many. I know that I do not keep up with the guys like you do and that is why I respect all the work you put into these rankings.  

No way, shape or form that Frankrone goes 220. Why would he challenge myers when he can win it at 195 or 182?

Speaking of Austin .Football is out wrestling all year and training for A few National tournaments and a run at both Finals at Fargo next yr is in .

Frankone is a beast ,that said ,doubt he jumps two weight classes .No one in their right faculties would chase Down Austin .He will most likely end every match he wrestles in the reg season before the second period .

Thats a 700lb plus lb tire and ATM getting put through a session by one of the Best Strength/MMA trainers in the midwest.leave no stone unturned or un lifted these guys are straight up Nasty.Ever lifted a 265 lb round stone up over 4 feet and set it on a pedastool after training two hours with tires that weigh 700+ deadlifts over 600 firemans carries for 40 yrds or so with 400 lbs non stop sprawls and shots for a few min positioning band training with 275 ,lb worldclass strongmen moving you around .Austin has .its a whole new Ballgame .any brave souls care to have some real workouts give me a pm.Love all the kids Frankone is one of my favorites in ky .

Not going to talk trash on any hard working kids even if people are trying to stir a pot or maybe not I will say I wish Frankone lived closer to us I would like to train him some and have him and Austin work Together .im seeing things through different glasses these days of course I want CC to win everything lol but I would love to see Ten or twenty kids like Austin Erdman Brown Yenter and the cadets from this yr joined by the rest of the best next yr in Fargo Frankone would most likely be a Greco beast and a possible double AA .Heidorf Andrioni many more could test those waters and do well also I am sure .I want every kid from Ky to get better and to be led straight !!

really a negative report for talking about training lol sorry for talking training to someone whos head it obviously went over.

Dont get some Get it All.

Gents, (PinandWin, Tyr), I agree with you both. I wondered why anyone would jump two weight classes and chase down a Nationally ranked 220 as well. I believe Frankrone could walk through 182 or 195. He is a beast for sure. I am not saying he could not challenge Austin but why go for uncertainty. As for the training aspect, it has to be in the heart of the young man chasing that desire to be the best. There are a ton of great training programs out there and it is finding the one that works for that individual. Case and point, I am sure Aaron Pico and ATM have two different training programs and both are very successful.    

Not sure how successful his new training program will be its the same old one with a bunch of new stuff added :)quite a bit of level Boost .Like training to go from Goku youth Days to Super Saiyen 10 .

Im sure every youth to College wrestler has their own style and different types of training ,Im also sure there was not one single kid Austin wrestled this year or any in any tournament he wrestled at in his class who could make it through His particular Workout at least lb for lb .And im sure Pico has A Pico workout specific for him as everyone does .While Austins is not specific it is designed by A strength /Sports specific oriented trainer .

Austin has never lost a single match in regular season High School Wrestling and has pretty much improved every yr .And his Freshman yr he beat A returning state Champ at 220 and followed that up By Beating the Most Dominant and Feared Wrestler in Indiana a few weeks later Then went on the biggest win streak in the nation in his class beating ranked kids every yr untill fargo he has never not been in the finals and I doubt him not making finals there in Greco upsets him and im sure he feels happy with his outcome there considering he only wrestled in one fr gr tournament before that in over three yrs and that was cen reg where he win 2 ows.If you think He will let anyone escape the second period if not the first with him in his state Finals his sr yr after his life in this sport ,I doubt you know anything at all about wrestling whatsoever .

It would look better on paper though .AUSTIN WOULD have pinned Frankrone ,Courtney ,Mathews ,and Mickey Smith all in under three periods last yr consecutively .Probabky all top eight kids in that class.

And that is no knock on anyone that was one of my favorite classes and it also is no BS .And now he is headed to Super Saiyen 10 thats like totally off the previous power level Chart .So what is your real point your user name says ind grappler After what Austin did to one of your best who was also a returning jr AA from fargo do you really think anyone can challenge him in KY.

Good Morning! Did I read correctly that Austin Myers will not be playing football this year? Was hoping to see him play but understand if he has made the decision to commit fully to wrestling his senior year.

Thats correct .He is not Playing he has quite a few visits that coaches are setting up that just do not fit in with a football schedule but more importantly with preparing for the next level his sr yr a few more summer fall tournaments and some serious training outside the normal scope of most high school wrestling or wrestlers it probably was not in his best interest .He started his last two yrs wrestling seasons with injuries from Football I have seen kids straight up take shots at his knees from behind right in front of refs and them stand there without even throwing a flag its not really intelligent to risk an injury that may be completely unavoidable and due in no part to yourself although he loves Football he has played since he was six yrs old he decided not to play this year and focus on Wrestling .

Well, I too have a young football player/wrestler and completely understand your concerns. We wish Austin only the best for his senior year and look forward to seeing him compete this wrestling season! 

Thanks,it should be a great year im sure with highs and lows ,best of luck love both sports ,but you gotta love the feeling of controlling your own Destiny in a sport like wrestling .even without the spotlight given to other sports lol

in,grappler .Who knows maybe someone thinks lightning will strike twice and you can gain instant notoriety but It will not Austin is not bumping weight as his Brother did he is solid at 220 and he is not Lackadaisical in his approach only looking at those close at hand at least not anymore .I think he pins or techs every kid he wrestles this yr in season and that goes for out of state comp as well .

If memory serves, Frankrone wrestled Max Dean very tough which is a very tall order.  Those Dean boys from Lowell, Michigan know what they're doing.  He should stay right where he is.

Tyr, I have watched Austin wrestle many times. Saw him at VA Beach his Freshman and Sophomore years. Plus, watched him at a few other tourneys along the way. He is a beast by all means and I did not think he would change weights. Why would you when you are dominating pretty much every where you. His brother Stephen was still a force on the mat even while changing weights in high school. I do agree with Austin's decision to not play football this year. 

Austin has always been an undersised 220 till now his reason for being there in the first place was a khsaa ruling and he was successful so he stayed .Depending on his college choices and their wishes I think he stays 220 no problem.perhaps some dips up or maybe even down who knows I will say two schools both Big ten want him at hvy and another Big 10 has spoken to him about 197.And some other very good schools have seemed to want him at Hvy .He is and will be strong enough for hvy thats all I know for sure.I actually think he is and will be vastly improved this yr He will look to reclaim the top spot at 220 at nat and at Fargo .

He has never focused solely on wrestling and had not wrestled fr gr in yrs I thought he did extremely well and I think he has been overlooked not by anyone in ky but in some of the rankings lol usa ended him up at ten and awn didnt even have him ranked untill after fargo now hes third lol its not like he has been hiding nhsca every yr nat duals every yr tournys in oh ky every yr but whatever Win does a good job but I different rankings use dif tourneys why usa chose to totally distespect him I do not know but they lowered their own credibility .

Every ranker has their bias. Josh Lowe mostly looks at NE Ohio and moves kids up or down at the drop of a hat, Willie Saylor is probably the biggest name besides him and he has a PA bias alongside his belief that a bad loss shouldn't drop a kid, Christian Pyles is similar. Both very broad generalizations of course, but it's something they bring to the table. I have a lot of respect for Earl at d1collegewrestling but he is better with college guys and doesn't update a lot. Those are about the only guys I know well enough to comment on.

I had never seen D1 college wrestling rankings never want to again .Says Austin Myers Grant cty lol and above him about 50 spots is a kid he has beaten with a far worse record who has avoided him since their last go around and some others I have never even seen .

Flow is extremely bias to kids who do flo nat .Usa fell apart .Intermat is fairly good with some ohio bias and since Ohio guys are far better at folk than fr or gr you which tournament gets used to pump some and drop others.PA bias will be put to the test very shortly .

What I like about Earl is that he admits when he was wrong, his recruiting rewind he does is always enlightening.