Since my wife told me what my password was so I could respond to another thread, I now know what it is and decided to post some of my thoughts on Fargo.

First off, toughest tournament in the country bar none. There are many tournaments nowadays with National in their name. This is the mother of them all and as far as I am concerned, the true National Championships.

Joey DeLong - Wrestled his butt off every match, he was just too small. He was just as good technically as all the kids he faced, just got over powered. I had the pleasure of working with him at a few practices. One of the hardest working kids I have been around. I never had any partners that were his size and he never complained. Just kept working hard and trying to get better.

Tanner Yenter - Another kid that was small for his weight class. If you have never been to Fargo, you cannot comprehend how much weight is being cut. We took a few pounds off of Tanner and he was still small. Wrestled very well on his feet. Was the only wrestler that I saw get to the Maryland kids legs, just needs to finish quicker. Overall, not a bad tournament for a kid who is ranked 18th in Kentucky.

Good recap coach. You are allowed a few free jabs at me.

I am hopeful our numbers are better in the next few yrs. I know a few other n ky kids that have been doing some fs/gr training that are ready to test the waters. I will be working with Coach Carr to support him as he works to better coordinate our efforts.

Great recap Jay. Our continued goal With KY USAW is to motivate our KY coaches to take the leap into FS/GR so they in turn will teach more of these great styles to there teams and up their individual wrestling skills and make a better Folkstyle wrestler. In return, making more AA's for their team and Kentucky. It has been a slow process, but we are getting some great coaches onboard that have the same ideas and many suggestions.

Totally agree. If we do not get at least 10 kids from just Northern Kentucky next year. I will be disappointed and consider my efforts a failure. I see no reason we cannot achieve this goal next year.

Nice recap. Glad your wife told you your password.

A kid at every weight would be Awesome, or Two .A shame that some of the Best kids were led astray and chose a meaningless tournament on the same day as the required Central Regionals where they could have picked up valuable experience and made the Team ,I feel sorry for them missing out on one of the greatest experiences the sport has to offer because they decided to do an ordinary meet that no one even remembers already ,Hopefully they learned from their mistakes and will make wiser choices next time ,Fargo and the biggest tournament in the world or some ho dunk dual meet up the road ,should have been a no Brainer so glad my own son did not fall for such idiocy.

I think any experience is good experience. I guess its okay for you to bad mouth highschool kids. I'm sure everyone has their reasons for which tourny they attend. How will you feel during Ironman weekend when you keep atm at some "ho dunk " duel meet? Stand by for the rant and name calling. Keep up the good work.

No one bad mouthed any High School kids that would be your Thing trying to put down kids when they are down or take a loss when those you are involved with have done so much less and your glass house is so full of holes lol.

Your pathetic insinuation that "I "Have anything to do with my Sons schools schedule or that a kid who just doubled at Fargo and beat every High School Wrestler in the Nation he faced in the style closest to that wrestled at Iron Man not only shows your lack of knowledge of the sport but your underlying intentions to begin with .As I said why do you even bother posting on a Fargo thread your own proginey never went or did anything in those styles and obviously you are posting simply to be seen.

Someone saying they wish kids would have competed at a bigger level tournament for the experience of a lifetime rather than waste their time on a sub par dual meet up in ohio is hardly putting any High School kids down its more like a warning to wake up and smell the roses and yes kids have reasons and also have bugs in their ears pushing them in the wrong directions fir theie own ends and misinforming them along the way .

As for Iron Man I have had a son do rather well there how bout you ???

And Iron Man is some Ho Dunk Tournament To ATM he would make it look ridiculously easy and thats why they will not let him in but once again another tournament you bring up that your own kid has never even seen let alone compete in.

Didnt he lose to a wrestler at fargo who took 5th at iron man? Think about what youre saying before you put down one of the three best high school tournaments in the nation.

Yes, Sam did well at ironman. He was a stud!

Edit: did a fact check. DIXON DNP at the Ironman

you seem well informed lol you and those on the Ohio boards.Did you see the match and do you even know the differences .He also Techd a nationally ranked kid in the first period beat a multiple x nationally ranked returning AA who is a graduate headed to IND who is a multiple x ind runner up And wasnthe highest placing Hs wrestler in his class along with being the onky double AA there not that you comprehend that .and how many Iron man placers were there that failed to reach him LOL .YOU HAVE A LOT OF NERVE TRYING TO DOWN A KID WHO DID MORE LAST WEEK THAN ANY KID IN HIS CLASS CAME CLOSE TO DOING EVEN A 5 x nat champ dnp in his freestyle class.

Your states first ever Double AA and the nations soon to be first ever 4x champ at his weight and undefeated in season at that you want to play tournament and match hopscotch .Lets play Austin beat a kid twice who beat the kid who knocked a 5 x champ out of the tournament .Beat a kid who beat the #1 kid in ohio .a

And your son never won a single match in Fargo .

And he will be back again next yr.

Yes he would Humiliate the field at Iron Man and he would destroy Dixon and the Iron Man winner from last yr .One day maybe the video of The Dixon match will emerge and everyone will scratch their head as to how the kid with the only takedown and twice the offense gives up two stalling points or how a ref awards a td after the time expired but I doubt it nit that it matters he went out a winner getting in two more matches against studs one in under 20 min lol Hes the most Dominant wrestler in the nation in his class .

Keep looking in on your ohio sites wildcat ts fun watching them scramble and avoid any comparison with their own wrestlers .

Kind of like you lol

I tried so hard to stay out of this. Trying to respect the wishes of a person I respect, but I cannot. There is no conspiracy with the video. It is readily available on YouTube and I have watched it in slow motion numerous times. The clock had not expired. When Ausitn's knee hit the mat and Dixon had both legs wrapped above the knees there was one second on the clock. Everyone should check out this video, so you can see how full of BS Tyr is. Especially those of you who hold him up on some kind of pedastal. It was a good match between two evenly matched wrestlers. Enough with the excuses and blame game. So he lost a few times this past week, get over it and move on.

yes it is very close indeed maybe even a score but to award him two stalling points the second without a running clock for thirty and if im not mistaken you are not allowed to charge head down head first again a total BS match .Austin clearly had a clean td in the middle of the second period and all the offense in the match with Dixon charging head first with sec left illegal in freestyle wrestling, a joke match.

regardless you and wildcat are wannabees and

know nothing about the sport or being anywhere the level of wrestler Austin is .

Go back to the big ten basement .

A garbage ref allows a kid to charge in head first and then awards a kid a point in under 9 sec down by 2 then lets him do it again and gives him a last sec td thats a bs match .award a point with 8 sec left no running clock lol and a kid who charges like an idiot because he has been beaten the whole match

and u two are P$($/$s

looking Forward to next yr .A lot of cool matches on You tube today .Austin and Miller and Grayson an Dulaney another joke .

But its all good Looking forward to next yr even more.

would someone care to explain the match between Austin and Delaney lol they have a ref who looks like a middle school kid and he awards Delaney the Match for absolutely Nothing complete idiot.Up 6_1 with sec left no change no nothing but an imaginary leg foul ATM gets dqued lol

Wow is right with less than 20 min between matches after the Dixon match he faces Miller and if he hadnt been tired I think anyine who know him and how he wrestles would say it would have possibly been over in sec of the high crotch pin Combo .

You tube is Awesome

I think you were the one doubting kids at some "po dunk dual tournament"

And Dixon not only charged head first but stepped out before the shot without a doubt .watch it.

No I wasnt doubting any kids doing a po dunk tournament I just stated the fact that they gavevup the opportunity to go to the Biggest tournament the country x 2 and yes unlike Dixon Harrington and the rest of the placers in Austins Class In freestyle He Wrestled two tournaments that week and placed because hes evidently the toughest wrestler in the nation in his class I would rather see Him double and lose second on some crap calls than come in second in one style on some gifts.

Now back to Regionals and what your fishing for.lol why would some of the better kids do a meaningless tournament up in Ohio on the same day they could have been doing Regionals in Indiana and preparing for Fargo .

Makes no sense whatsoever and it makes even less sense someone saying they are looking out for the best interest of Kentucky wrestling trying to get all of the best kids in Ky to bother with a sub par dual meet when they could represent their state at regionals and the Big Show .

Of course you wouldnt know squat about it since your kid never went to my knowledge or at least if he did no one noticed .

Ok.  Let me see if I can ride the fence and not piss off anyone. 

I was at Central Regions and officiated on Austin's mat in Greco.  I was also disappointed with the number of KY wrestlers at CR.  I can also understand that if a group of wrestlers had neither the means or the desire to go to Fargo Nationals, why not go to a lesser team tournament the same day as CR. 

As a new FS and Greco official, I can easily see the benefits of competing in these styles.  I really enjoyed learning from some of the best officials in the country.  At CR there were 3 officials that have officiated the Olympics and several others that have traveled all over the world having been selected to officiate the world games.  That being said, one of the officials on the mat in Austin's match against Dixon is one of the latter described officials and is widely considered one of the top officials in the country.  Also, all points offered by the mat official must be confirmed by either the judge or the chairman.  So, while I probably would not have offered the caution and 1 for fleeing the hold at the end of the match, it was confirmed by one of the other "garbage refs".

And before you start talking about me not knowing anything about wrestling, you are right.  I have very little knowledge about the kind of competition you have seen. 

With all of that being said.  I am glad to see more kids wrestling in the off season, weather they compete against the best competition in the nation in FS and Greco or if they just compete in the lesser tournaments in folkstyle.

I saw no caution for Dixon for charging head first or would you say that was legal as he did It quite often and would you say he stayed in bounds on the scramble before the final shot and the point he got in thr final seconds was ridiculous .

please do nit speak to me about the perfections of refs I also saw the match with delaney in greco that kid was no world class ref neither was the one on the mat he looked undesicive as hell and he allpwrd Dixon to charge head first numerous times in the end without a caution that was bs .now back to the greco may h Austin up by 5 he gets called for a leg foul and dqued when his hand never left the gd mat .So please do not stand up for all your refs seems they make numerous mistakes Explain thatbgreco match to me and butter it up real good .

Same situation with Boze and Austin Boze charging in he gets a caution for leading with the head .Different rules differnt refs .So was that kid on his mat with delaney one of the top officials in the country and you tell are you allowed to charge head first and did dixon or did he not and no way un Hell he stayed in bounds when he cirlcled austin of course it makes for a great story the big twelve finals with the come from behind victory ,Just let someone follow the same rules as everyone else .

Again Explain that Greco Match to me and show me a Leg foul that ref was a complete idiot .im sure Austin feels uncomforable ei g at Fargo Nationals and having Seventeen yr old kid Who he much more experience than reffing him . Take up for whoever you wish but do it by the book .

As for the tournament itself Central Reg I had people call my son numerous times to go do some ignorant dual meet that was meaningless trying to fill his head with Shit saying no one would be at cen reg and this dual meet was so tough lol turns out to be the opposite I think just because someone wants no part of Fargo they should not try to undermine and straight up lie about other tournaments or talk others from taking on A Challenge they do not care to Face .Finances were hardly the issue .

Oh well, I tried to not piss anyone off.  I wasn't so much trying to defend the refs on that match, rather merely offering my point of view.

First. I haven't had a chance to find the Greco match. So I can't speak to it.

I didn't say that refs were perfect.  What I was trying to say about the refs was that the chairman was about the best and most fair you are going to see. I don't know the mat official or the judge.  If a call is offered by the mat official and the judge confirms it, there is not much the chairman can do other than record the score.  He could have called for a conference, but he didn't so we don't know what he thought of the caution. Maybe he thought with only 8 seconds left that it wouldn't be an issue. If I were the judge, I would have white paddled it giving the chairman the option to do the same. That way the message would still have been made without actually giving the point.  As for the guy stepping out, it looked like the mat official was in a good position to be able to see it if it happened.  He also did not have the benefit of being able to replay it. 

I think we agree on the importance of the Central Region. Although, finances may not have been an issue for some or even most of the kids that were on the team, but for some it could have been.  And I'm glad it was an option for those not interested in Fargo.

It was a REALLY good match.  Well wrestled by Austin.  Tough break.  He handled the questionable call very well.  I think it shows that he has matured since the state finals his sophomore year.  Congrats on the future Olympian ranking.

Hey, wait a second. My kid wrestles for the team in the basement if the Big 10. Very proud of him actually and blessed. If that was directed at me for some reason. I can handle it. It's the wife you have to watch out for.

He has always been nothing but Mature and the perfect sportsman .

I see you ignored the leading with the head Charging issue all together and the greco match is on You Tube with the others .Saying a ref figured it would not matter us hardly an excuse I guess he figured Dixon charging in head down looking for anything je could get in the finals seconds breaking rules or not since he got beaten fair and square early in the match didnt matter either but it did and theres no way he stayed in .

Actually surorised Austin handled the bogus greco match as well as he sid kniwing every a hole on this side of the missisippi would put him under a microscope I might have gotten that little idiot refs name for later rendevous .That was Total BS and in surprised it was allowed to finish like rhat in bith those matches but its all good He will be back with more experience at both Cen reg and Fargo .Hopefully he gives the a holes who have done nothing in the sport remotely close to what he has done less to squawk about but who knows with refs like the one in the greco match and refs awarding bogus points and lettingbkids charge in lime idiots head first step out and score who knows .Either way as I said he would do He is A Double AA his states first and the only 220 in the country to do it this yr .

I guess I saw the "head charge" more of chasing someone down in the final seconds to secure the win.

Match in review can be found above.

Please try to stop with the name calling and bad mouthing of refs, coach's and athletes. It does not represent KY wrestling and the sport in general.

Exactly. leading with the head is a foul and he clearly did that over and over the point was BS and he clearly stepped out.

As long as people like yourself dare make claims of me hiding or running my kids when you ran your own from tournaments like the one this thread is about im sure I will make a few posts .I do thi k the ref allowed dixon to lead with his head charge and finish a shot out of bounds after awarding a point he should not have .Im so sure that The Greco Match with Delaney is available as well and its just as bad .Im sure if Austin had charged someone head first he probabky would have been cautioned then gave uo a point rather than the opposite .

NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT THE MATCHES in QUESTION NOW ALTHOUGH I WILL BE SURE THE OTHER ONE GETS POSTED AS WELL .

AND SORRY TO INFORM You wildcat nothing can be done about Austin being Kys first ever double AA and the only double aa in his class in the country lol and nothing can be done about him going undefeated in HS comp in season or returning to Fargo and becoming his states first ever 2x Double All American .even with crap calls and people like you crying about it and looking for flaws that do not exist .

nice video we will be seeing some more very shortly

sad a ref lets a kid tie up leading head first and just drive straight ahead without a caution thats piss poor reffing .I guess three refs didnt bother to notice he stepped out on the shot either

xxcg

Thanks for posting the video. Two evenly matched kids going at it. Outcome could have been easily reversed. These guys wrestle ten times, I would call it 5 each way. I am not a fan of the 30 second "shot clock" and watching this match confirmed this. The wrestler not on the clock can block off for 30 seconds and earn a point. Both boys did just that in this match. 

second point no shot clock .Austin had the straight clean takedown in the match and most of the offense .I did see plenty of kids getting called for charging head First Dixon did not.Decent match I do not think it would go 5_ 5 .

second point no shot clock .Austin had the straight clean takedown in the match and most of the offense .I did see plenty of kids getting called for charging head First Dixon did not.Decent match I do not think it would go 5_ 5 Austin wrestled two tournaments and had to beat two other placers in his quarter neither Dixon or Harrington wrestled greco Austin had all the offense early in the match and the only clean takedown .I would take him 9.5 out of ten and Otto if your life depended on it you would too.

Yes, his takedown was nice. I thought his defense was good as well, especially the heavy hips with 49 seconds left in 2nd period. First passivity call was warranted, second one was questionable. Third was warranted as well. I think the problem came when Myers shut down his offense with about 1:10 left, not gonna say he backed up......but he quit going forward.  He wrestled two very nice tournaments. Double AA, something to be proud of. The accomplishment loses its luster when sour grapes come out. He lost this match, no official took it from him. Learn from it and move on (as in wrestle the entire period, Myers got dinged for passivity late in both periods, ya gotta wrestle 'til the whistle). 

Explain this one too me.

Myers Miller

Yes, his takedown was nice. I thought his defense was good as well, especially the heavy hips with 49 seconds left in 2nd period. First passivity call was warranted, second one was questionable. Third was warranted as well. I think the problem came when Myers shut down his offense with about 1:10 left, not gonna say he backed up......but he quit going forward. He wrestled two very nice tournaments. Double AA, something to be proud of. The accomplishment loses its luster when sour grapes come out. He lost this match, no official took it from him. Learn from it and move on (as in wrestle the entire period, Myers got dinged for passivity late in both periods, ya gotta wrestle 'til the whistle).

good advice though it teaches life lessons a little more training a little more cardio a lot more mat time in these styles .And unlike the top placers or those who placed avove him He will Be Back next yr .I expect Nothing less than two Finals matches for him or a third place match at worst .That is the expectatation and the Goal .Another yr to grow wrestle and train .He will be not onky a better wrestler But The most powerful Wrestler in the Country .That is our Goal .Perhaps if I had decided to leave him alone and let him just wrestle free he would have had a bit more gas or perhaps it would have been the same a ref who was call crasy and let people charge head first without cautions and step out might still make a difference but I doubt it .I think he will make Fargo look like he made regionals look this yr all over in the First .

Oh well, I tried to not piss anyone off.  I wasn't so much trying to defend the refs on that match, rather merely offering my point of view.

 

First. I haven't had a chance to find the Greco match. So I can't speak to it.

 

I didn't say that refs were perfect.  What I was trying to say about the refs was that the chairman was about the best and most fair you are going to see. I don't know the mat official or the judge.  If a call is offered by the mat official and the judge confirms it, there is not much the chairman can do other than record the score.  He could have called for a conference, but he didn't so we don't know what he thought of the caution. Maybe he thought with only 8 seconds left that it wouldn't be an issue. If I were the judge, I would have white paddled it giving the chairman the option to do the same. That way the message would still have been made without actually giving the point.  As for the guy stepping out, it looked like the mat official was in a good position to be able to see it if it happened.  He also did not have the benefit of being able to replay it. 

 

I think we agree on the importance of the Central Region. Although, finances may not have been an issue for some or even most of the kids that were on the team, but for some it could have been.  And I'm glad it was an option for those not interested in Fargo.

 

It was a REALLY good match.  Well wrestled by Austin.  Tough break.  He handled the questionable call very well.  I think it shows that he has matured since the state finals his sophomore year.  Congrats on the future Olympian ranking.

im.waiting and im certain as is everyone else his foot was out before he shot

Oh well, I tried to not piss anyone off.  I wasn't so much trying to defend the refs on that match, rather merely offering my point of view.

 

First. I haven't had a chance to find the Greco match. So I can't speak to it.

 

I didn't say that refs were perfect.  What I was trying to say about the refs was that the chairman was about the best and most fair you are going to see. I don't know the mat official or the judge.  If a call is offered by the mat official and the judge confirms it, there is not much the chairman can do other than record the score.  He could have called for a conference, but he didn't so we don't know what he thought of the caution. Maybe he thought with only 8 seconds left that it wouldn't be an issue. If I were the judge, I would have white paddled it giving the chairman the option to do the same. That way the message would still have been made without actually giving the point.  As for the guy stepping out, it looked like the mat official was in a good position to be able to see it if it happened.  He also did not have the benefit of being able to replay it. 

 

I think we agree on the importance of the Central Region. Although, finances may not have been an issue for some or even most of the kids that were on the team, but for some it could have been.  And I'm glad it was an option for those not interested in Fargo.

 

It was a REALLY good match.  Well wrestled by Austin.  Tough break.  He handled the questionable call very well.  I think it shows that he has matured since the state finals his sophomore year.  Congrats on the future Olympian ranking.

im.waiting and im certain as is everyone else his foot was out before he shot p

Oh well, I tried to not piss anyone off.  I wasn't so much trying to defend the refs on that match, rather merely offering my point of view.

 

First. I haven't had a chance to find the Greco match. So I can't speak to it.

 

I didn't say that refs were perfect.  What I was trying to say about the refs was that the chairman was about the best and most fair you are going to see. I don't know the mat official or the judge.  If a call is offered by the mat official and the judge confirms it, there is not much the chairman can do other than record the score.  He could have called for a conference, but he didn't so we don't know what he thought of the caution. Maybe he thought with only 8 seconds left that it wouldn't be an issue. If I were the judge, I would have white paddled it giving the chairman the option to do the same. That way the message would still have been made without actually giving the point.  As for the guy stepping out, it looked like the mat official was in a good position to be able to see it if it happened.  He also did not have the benefit of being able to replay it. 

 

I think we agree on the importance of the Central Region. Although, finances may not have been an issue for some or even most of the kids that were on the team, but for some it could have been.  And I'm glad it was an option for those not interested in Fargo.

 

It was a REALLY good match.  Well wrestled by Austin.  Tough break.  He handled the questionable call very well.  I think it shows that he has matured since the state finals his sophomore year.  Congrats on the future Olympian ranking.

im.waiting and im certain as is everyone else his foot was out before he shot p

Explain this one too me.

Very nice takedown in the first. You've got a legit beef with the result of this match. Ref verballed for him to be aggressive, but in my opinion neither kid was doing much. My only suggestion would be to keep on the offensive. It seems as though he gets a lead and goes defensive.Not sure if this is due to wrestling new styles? In any case, crap way to lose a match. I do not agree with the outcome. Apologies if my "bias" is showing.

He has only wrestled Two Fr Gr Tourneys in over 3 yrs no way is he comfortable particularly in greco which he really did not want to do but has great potential in Freestyle is more similar to Folk,with calls like these im sure it will.be a task to get him to go for it in Greco .with a comfortable lead I do not blame someone for backing off to avoid throws .this was no 1 or 2 point lead he was ahead by 6 .

So can you and your ref friends explain to me what the proper call was in the Greco match between Austin and Delaney .and would you say that your allowed to charge head down into someones face headbut style .

im.waiting and im certain as is everyone else his foot was out before he shot p

First, I can only speak for myself and what my opinion is and what I speculate that I would do in a similar situation.  I have not consulted with any of my "ref friends" before commenting.  This is just me offering my point of view.  I'm not even saying my opinion holds more weight than anyone else's.  Also, I did not have the benefit of seeing any of these live.  I can only go by the camera angle provided. 

The last caution called sure looked like a leg foul from the camera angle.  It only became an issue because he had already been cautioned twice before hand.  I think you would agree that it is the first two cautions that are in question. Am I right?  It looks like at the 2:12 mark on the video the mat official gives the red wrestler a passivity warning and then immediately starts prodding the blue wrestler for action.  This is a common technique that is taught to new officials to try and keep the cautions equal and let the wrestlers settle the match with action.  It looks like the first period ended with a score of 6-0 and a warning on red for passivity.  I saw a blue head up instruction at the 4:45 mark. and another blue head up at the 4:55 mark.  An action instruction to blue at the 5:05 mark. and another at the 5:10 mark.  He stops the action at the 5:17 mark giving an apparent caution for passivity.  I did not see a warning before that but I am assuming I just missed it when the mat official was off camera.  That would explain the blue wrestler being put in parterre. The second caution comes at 7:20.  There was a lot of time that the official was off camera so I don't know what he was doing.  He should have been instructing both wrestlers for action and contact, letting them know when they are in the zone close to the out of bounds line.  But again, he was off camera.

I am not sure about the charging head down rule you speak of.  I have not encountered that in the one year of experience that I have with these two styles.  Like I said, I'm new.  Maybe if you provide a time stamp to the action in question I would have a better understanding of your protest.  I have seen a lot of head-butts and if they get too aggressive then the action should be stopped and the wrestlers warned and then cautioned if it continues.  I did not see a point in the match that I thought a head-butt was excessive.  Again, my point of view.  Not saying I'm right and you are wrong.

And I already addressed my position on the foot out comment.  It looked like the mat official was in a good position to see the action at the edge of the circle.  From the camera angle, it looks really close.  Maybe the mat official should have been standing where you were or where the camera was to be able to see the action better.  (Of course I'm kidding with that last statement)

So you think you saw leg foul .lol of course thats the question .He didn touch his leg and if there was any connection it was caused by Delaney in top moving as I said Austin stated his hands never left the mat hes very comfortable there and me and everyone else agree there was no leg foul thats the greco match .

As for the semi free your not allowed to lead with the head I saw other matches including Austins match with Boze where people get called for it .and no way his feet stayed in that ref was behind them on the mat not sure of the other .

My question to you was the Greco match Are you going to tell me my son and everyone on this Forum you see a leg foul him touching or grabbing that kids leg in parterre.And running head in full speed head down would obviously warrant a caution .

not kidding .

 

The last caution sure looked like a leg foul from the camera angle.

I can't say for sure that he did touch the leg and if he says he didn't then I have no proof that he did, since it was on the other side of their bodies.  (see quote above.) 

I tried to type slow and everything so you could understand what I was saying and I thought it was pretty clear. 

Man, Austin sure did wrestle some tough matches and he looked great.  I was proud to have a KY wrestler do that well.  That was my main point in posting, but I guess you can't see past someone having a different point of view than you.  I guess I should have known better.

no its not that at All He did not touch the kids leg and even if to get Dqued on two stallings and a leg foul when way ahead is still bogus .

You stated it looked like a leg Foul from the angle I sure didnt see it I did see Delaney jumping around in top but Austin was pretty much Flat and focusing on staying spread out for his leverage .Never once did it appear he touched or grabbed the kids leg he was never even lifted or put in danger of being turned where he would have to be .Were I Dixons Coaches I would be happy my guy forced the takedown with an all out head first charge got away with stepping out for a second and won is what it is .The greco match was totally Botched .Austin deserved and Earned the right to Finish the Greco tournament as he did the Freestyle Tourny .on a Win and thats the difference .SHOW ME WHERE OR WHAT TIME DUIRINGBTHEVMATCH YOUR SAYING HE GRABBED THE KIDS LEG .no way was there a leg foul and he was in Parterre didnt get turned and didnt touch or grab the leg .The ref messesd the match upnwithout ? if you expect people to respect you then you cannot Flat out lie or change factsbto civer for Officials errors .Me on the other hand I will always root cheer and look for a win for my kid no matter what .He beat Dixon the whole match the ref gave it away in the end and opened it up for a last minute frenzied attack that most refs would have cautioned a kid for for just charging in with his head down and then got him for stepping out if not that but it is what it is .If you have to Totally Demolish everyone you wrestle to win Then so be it thatbis how it WILL go down next yr .Everyone can doubt and comment but it will happen .and That Greco ref was Horrible if I were an 18 yr old kid like Austin and had some ref take my match from me and ruin my day I doubt I would have handled it so well .Good thing He came back and got it done In Free .

I will preface this with re-stating what I said before, I do not agree with the outcome of the match against Delaney. However, all the chatter about leg fouls took me back to the video. In fact, there are two leg fouls. One around the 5:50 mark (not called but could have been), the other around 7:50 mark. Delaney even makes a motion with his hands like "what the heck". Ref was in much better position than the video. With this said, I still believe Myers was the better wrestler and to get DQ'd was bogus.  

At 7:53 video time Dulaney tries to lift and Austin turns and goes back to the mat.  Dulaney kind of throws his left hand out and I think the ref was indicating that the leg foul was on Dixon's right foot.  That is the foot that is blocked from the camera view.  That's what the ref called.  that's what you can't see on the video.

Otto you are now totally exposed as a complete all out Hater of my kids earlier you state that you saw no foul then say Austin and Myself have a legitamate gripe and the match was Botched Now you say you saw TWO leg Fouls .

At 7:53 video time Dulaney tries to lift and Austin turns and goes back to the mat. Dulaney kind of throws his left hand out and I think the ref was indicating that the leg foul was on Dixon's right foot. That is the foot that is blocked from the camera view. That's what the ref called. that's what you can't see on the video.

My sons have not wrestled these styles in years BUT before that they were both FR GR youth champs in Both Ohio and Ky Both Schoolboy and Cadet state champs in Ohio and Stephen a 3x Cadet AA and doubler himself .

For a first yr ref to come on to a site and and make excuse after excuse for a botched match by a ref is ridiculous .

Austin had perfect form and wrestled beautifuly on the bottom he fought hands when he had to and kept his base out and stayed flat when he had to all with minimal movement He had no reason nor did he ever grab a foot or leg Delaney was jumping around on top if his leg or foot hits austin that is his movement not Austins .

Otto you are exposed to say two leg fouls when there are none just shows your usual contempt towards me and mine and your underlying dirty goals on this site which many have brought out Before .

Cbcdeke I am thinking you need a new Hobby wrestling isnt for you my friend fabricating stories and outcomes and reasons for calls that are wrong only makes you look as if you are doing two things either covering for your refs or knocking a kid who got cheated out of a placing .

Dozens have seen the match all have agreed it was botched there was no leg foul or mysterious foot grab .

Anyone who knows anything about fr gr wrestling knows that kids get called for not opening up and kids on top get frustrated when they cannot move turn or score and often show desperation by throwing their hands up and looking at the ref .Delaney was well behind in scoring ,got a free chance for a turn and could not get it Because Austin had perfect form and a great Base thus he throws his hands up out of desperation looking for the ref to get Austin to open up which he was doing he just had too good of a base for Delaney to score .The ref Messed the match up and as many who were there know

The Officials from the greco match apologised to Austin Afterwards for making the wrong Call and said he should have won Which brings me back to you Otto you are a hater who has no buisness posting on anything to do with me or either of my Sons we have issues you and I and i am tired of your comments about. my sons .no bs I am done with your crap .

ccbcdeke .I will now assume you have a problem with either myself or my sons as well .Fabricating and making up stories of how you think a match went down or saying you think a ref made a call of of your hunch is a dangerous thing for someone who is supposed to be a ref something you have no right or Buisness doing The fact is you dont have a gd clue as to why the ref made that call and if you have and morals and wish to maintain any credibility amongst the coaches wrestlers and fans in this state you need to make that fact known .Because theres not one honest person in either the KY or Ohio wrestling community that has seen that match that agrees with it .

and I will take it you are simply another hater only worse a dirty ref who needs exposed and ran out of the sport .

Otto you are now totally exposed as a complete all out Hater of my kids earlier you state that you saw no foul then say Austin and Myself have a legitamate gripe and the match was Botched Now you say you saw TWO leg Fouls .That is completely not the case and you are now grasping at straws making yourself look Foolish and I am doubting your own intentions as well towards my kids myself and your integrity as an official if in fact you are one .

My sons have not wrestled these styles in years BUT before that they were both FR GR youth champs in Both Ohio and Ky Both Schoolboy and Cadet state champs in Ohio and Stephen a 3x Cadet AA and doubler himself .

For a first yr ref to come on to a site and and make excuse after excuse for a botched match by a ref is ridiculous .

Austin had perfect form and wrestled beautifuly on the bottom he fought hands when he had to and kept his base out and stayed flat when he had to all with minimal movement He had no reason nor did he ever grab a foot or leg Delaney was jumping around on top if his leg or foot hits austin that is his movement not Austins .

Otto you are exposed to say two leg fouls when there are none just shows your usual contempt towards me and mine and your underlying dirty goals on this site which many have brought out Before .

Cbcdeke I am thinking you need a new Hobby wrestling isnt for you my friend fabricating stories and outcomes and reasons for calls that are wrong only makes you look as if you are doing two things either covering for your refs or knocking a kid who got cheated out of a placing .

Dozens have seen the match all have agreed it was botched there was no leg foul or mysterious foot grab .

Anyone who knows anything about fr gr wrestling knows that kids get called for not opening up and kids on top get frustrated when they cannot move turn or score and often show desperation by throwing their hands up and looking at the ref .Delaney was well behind in scoring ,got a free chance for a turn and could not get it Because Austin had perfect form and a great Base thus he throws his hands up out of desperation looking for the ref to get Austin to open up which he was doing he just had too good of a base for Delaney to score .The ref Messed the match up and as many who were there know

The Officials from the greco match apologised to Austin Afterwards for making the wrong Call and said he should have won Which brings me back to you Otto you are a hater who has no buisness posting on anything to do with me or either of my Sons we have issues you and I and i am tired of your comments about. my sons .no bs I am done with your crap .

ccbcdeke .I will now assume you have a problem with either myself or my sons as well .Fabricating and making up stories of how you think a match went down or saying you think a ref made a call of of your hunch is a dangerous thing for someone who is supposed to be a ref something you have no right or Buisness doing The fact is you dont have a gd clue as to why the ref made that call and if you have and morals and wish to maintain any credibility amongst the coaches wrestlers and fans in this state you need to make that fact known .Because theres not one honest person in either the KY or Ohio wrestling community that has seen that match that agrees with it .

and I will take it you are simply another hater only worse a dirty ref who needs exposed and ran out of the sport .

Wowee, that's some harsh stuff. I tried my best to step lightly, knowing full well that you look for conspiracy where there is none. I never said there was no foul. Never. Show me please. If you cannot show me, then your silence will speak as an apology. Check your ego and reading comprehension. I stated (more than once!) that Myers got jobbed. I do not agree with the rules. It is obvious that Myers was the better wrestler. I gave him props for his Double AA. You somehow find a way to turn this around. 

Hey Grappler, thanks again for the recap. KY is on the rise. I believe that it is only a matter of time before the rest of the country takes notice.

Nice try Otto lol you are allowed to split the legs just not grab or hold them at 550 aAustin is turning in as a good wrestler should to avoid a lift no grab and he makes constant attempt to keep his hands flat on the mat Delaney makes more than one gesture of desperation not being able to get anything at 750 Delaney has an overhook on Austins right aem lifts pulls his arm back and austins hands are clearly open and making attempt to stay flat that is Delaneys Movement NOt Austins and any contact is initiated by Delaney no grab no leg Foul Just a botched match by an obviously out of his league reg and some negative comments by some jealous haters out to diminish the accomplishments of one if the Best wrestlers in the country who happened to have The Best showing in Fargo of any wrestler in his class in the country and his states best ever run in this Tournament .I commend you in your attempt to sour the milk lol But no one will remember your or your board Games Austin on the other hand is already an Immortal in this sport in two states.

The Freestyle match was just that a frenzied mess at the end .and the Greco match with Delaney was totally wrong Botched and unfair to Austin .

Nice try Otto lol you are allowed to split the legs just not grab or hold them at 550 aAustin is turning in as a good wrestler should to avoid a lift no grab and he makes constant attempt to keep his hands flat on the mat Delaney makes more than one gesture of desperation not being able to get anything at 750 Delaney has an overhook on Austins right aem lifts pulls his arm back and austins hands are clearly open and making attempt to stay flat that is Delaneys Movement NOt Austins and any contact is initiated by Delaney no grab no leg Foul Just a botched match by an obviously out of his league reg and some negative comments by some jealous haters out to diminish the accomplishments of one if the Best wrestlers in the country who happened to have The Best showing in Fargo of any wrestler in his class in the country and his states best ever run in this Tournament .I commend you in your attempt to sour the milk lol But no one will remember your or your board Games Austin on the other hand is already an Immortal in this sport in two states.

The Freestyle match was just that a frenzied mess at the end .and the Greco match with Delaney was totally wrong Botched and unfair to Austin .

.....and I agree that I don't like the rules. So, since you cannot back up your accusations I will accept your apology and move on. 

really 550 and 750 there is no leg foul if a hand touches a leg or a part of an arm or hand touches a leg that is not a foul if that were the case no one would escape parterre without a foul there can be no grabbing or holding of leg below the thigh and there was not at any time .

your a joke and trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes to down or discredit my complaints is typical of you Once again as so many times in the Past Why do you comment on Myself My Boys and their matches you have nothing to do with them you simply make attempt after attempt to discredit them .Never fear his future is much Brighter and his past much richer in History than those like you seem to be able to bear without constant Harassment .I am looking forward to the year ahead and the surprises that are in store for those like you the haters the rankers and the runners .

on Further review Dixon clearly stepped out when circling for the shot .

LoL what you need accept is your an idiot wannabee.

Is he reading the same posts I am?

I read your post you said Delaney threw his hands up because of a foul that was not visible from the angle of the video .which was a straight up lie and your own attempt to take up for a ref botched matchb.Austin never grabbed a foot he did however grab a head hit a slide bye and get some guts.Something you losers lack

Mod,do we really have to go through this after everyloss, or after someone disagrees that his children are not the best in the country let alone kY? It's funny but its getting old. I can only hope people, athletes and refs dont have to read his vial rants. Its bad for the sport and bad for ky.

Mod why is this guy even on this thread being so hypocritical crying about my gripes why cant he just post on his own kids rather than constantly posting on mine .Nevermind you have to be wrestling I guess in order to be talked about on a wresing Site .

As for the Country and Ky ,on this thread speaking of these styles at least ,its not Rocket Science ,the highest placing Freestyle wrestler in the country Still in HS and the only Freestyle Greco Double All American in his class who has had less mat time and match time in these styles than anyone of note in the sport in his weight class.Duhhhh He is the Best Thats what this Tournament is Genius.

" Fargo Nationals"

As for Ky I think he Has Represented his State probably Unlike any other not only from KY but The country Three trips to finals Nhsca nat with two wins and a runner up that is his only Folkstyle loss ever in HS 3 yrs undefeated at Nat Duals and KYs first ever Greco AA and Double AA and he hasnt started his sr yr lol so your comment about every loss is a bit misleading and no if you get beat you get beat He has lost 3 greco matches 1 FS another mis scored and one he simply lost .He has lost one Freestyle match That was not cleanly ran or scored .And on Folkstyle match that some kid and coach faked an injury then stalled their Ass of on even after that to get a breather and some Bs ref who called stalemate every time his opponent got laid out flat and made no attempt to better his position and Austin was working around to score .

As for Regular Inn season Wrestling , you have me Puzzled HE Has NEVER LOST A SINGLE MATCH and is set to become not only his states first ever totally undefeated HS wrestler But The Nations first ever 4x 220 lb state champ .

I do not have much to Complain about .

And you should worry a bit more about your own kids rather than mine if you would have maybe you could be talking about them rather than everyone elses.

Back to the Dixon match he not only got two passivity points the second with no clock .But the ref warns Dixon first for passivity then hits him with the actual penalty with the clock ,Austin gets no warning first just hit with the penalty and clock ??Then gets a takedown then gets hit again in the final sec then gets robbed by a kid charging in head first and then stepping out before a shot .I would take it of course but it is still the truth no warning on his first passvity call and a passivity point in the final seconds.BS

Go in unseeded leave a Double AA.