Information Sheets for both Divisions are attached. Seeding Criteria is attached as well.

Kentucky State Duals Big School Info - 2015.pdf

Kentucky State Duals Small School Info - 2015.pdf

Kentucky State Duals Seeding Criteria - 2015.pdf

looks like a pool of 3 to start ,then a pool of 4 in finals pools.

in finals will you wrestle every team or winners vs winners for top placings ,very relevant .if its 3 pools then four .rather than four three.

It turns into a bracketed tournament after pools. The top four are in Semis. Winner wrestle for Championship. Loser of Semis wrestle for 3rd.

It says that I can't read the documents

I can't read them either.

Try those

So its four duals ,INSTEAD OF FIVE ,unless champs wrestle and they get an extra .A lot of these teams are close and could lose or beat a team that a team they lose or beat could not .seems there would be pools all the way through with criteria for equal wins or records.

Will you seed all 12 teams?

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@crazyhorse what are the odds of Campbell winning large school ?

Im sure they have a better shot than most I would think they were ranked third,Captain Obvious ,

since your setting me up to get flamed I will say this Their 220 will get six every Dual 110 % chance .

Lol, I wanted your input on how Campbell is as a dual team

They choked last yr ,

Im sure they have a better shot than most I would think they were ranked third,Captain Obvious ,

since your setting me up to get flamed I will say this Their 220 will get six every Dual 110 % chance .

I have to give your son credit. I absolutely hate when kids can dominate and pin a kid, but take em down and let them up over and over. Take em down and pin, that'd all you gotta do. It does neither any good to tech or toy with them, then pin. It's embarrassing to the newer kid and better wrestler doesn't gain anything. I know people will argue with me, but that's just my opinion.

Its disrespectful to run up your TDs,Kids and coaches and dads will say the wrestler is working stuff but he is not a kid who can get taken down 15 times in 2 periods is not reacting or giving a true workout to a better wrestler train in practice .

In many cases its a psychological ploy.  If you can get 2 takedowns in the first period then your up 4-1 going into the 2nd period.  Lets your opponent know that you are controlling the tempo of the match.  If you take them down and you can score backs or a pin you should take the opportunity.  Usually after about 20 seconds on the mat you know if you can turn them.  Then you decide if you want to take him down a second time tor the 4-1 lead.  However running up the score by getting 4-6 takedowns in the 1st is overkill.  

If all you can get is 2 its not really a ploy its all you can do its an advantage like any lead two scores is good but not a head and arms lead away ,Best Psychological ploy Pin em all ,of course if everyone forfeits you dont get any mat time at all

Ploy was probably not the best word for what I meant.  But I agree a 2 score lead is a good advantage. 

Well don't blame the wrestler for cutting kids and scoring the most points he can,blame the coaches who have coached them.I know for a fact my son is not a good pinner,i have even seen him wear his self out trying to pin a kid. He is as good as anybody in the state at tds so they play to his strengths and that, if it needs to be stopped is done by coaches not the wrestler.Most of the time he is following directions.

Thats fine if your not good at pinning go for the tech,but I think we are talking about when its obvious a wrestler is toying or showboating ,running up their td record when they can pin ,The Goal is to pin ,it always has been to win you pin to tech you tech to get a decision or major or tech is to do the next best thing ,it is not the goal .

Just a funny observation ,have you ever noticed there are some kids who will more than likely either pin or lose much more often than win by points or pin or get pinned.

Thats fine if your not good at pinning go for the tech,but I think we are talking about when its obvious a wrestler is toying or showboating ,running up their td record when they can pin ,The Goal is to pin ,it always has been to win you pin to tech you tech to get a decision or major or tech is to do the next best thing ,it is not the goal .

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Just a funny observation ,have you ever noticed there are some kids who will more than likely either pin or lose much more often than win by points or pin or get pinned.

just from kids I've coached, young kids seem to pin or get pinned. The better they get, they seem to pin or lose close matches.

Those pin or get pinned kids are the ones to watch in duals ,they are the pendulum they will win for you or kill you with twelve point swings.

I actually totally agree with Crazyhorse on this one.

 

If there are 4 pools why seed top 6?  Why not top 4 or better yet top 8?  Pair the 1 with 8, 2 with 7, and so on. And then last 4 unseeded teams are blind drawn in.  Just curious.

I don't know how many people got the chance to see or even heard about the st.x vs trinity matchup last year at the state duels,but for those coaches out there that like to talk up the team concept of wrestling,you could have used this match for a promotional video. It came down to the last match frankrone vs esterle ,yes esterle(most people didn't even know who that was).Frankrone had to pin for trinity to get the win and by all obvious reasons there was nothing to think that wouldn't happen.Well i witnessed the greatest determination by a losing wrestler that i have ever seen.Esterle gave the battle of his career,and that was also matched by Frankrone. Both kids giving everything they had for their team to win.I don't know how many times Esterle battled off his back and for what?not himself,he basically knew he had no chance.It was all for his team,and believe me Frankrone gave it his all for trinity.Best duel i have ever seen hopefully this year can bring some of the same excitement.

Again The goal of wrestling is to pin ,No wrestler with any heart at all should just give up and get pinned ,I understand what your saying but think about it there are kids who NEVER get pinned or put on their backs for more than quick rolls or instantly,From day one every coach and every parent should tell their kids DO NOT GET PINNED And I have heard youth coaches preach and preach DO NOT GET pinned,If your saying that kid would have gave up and got pinned in a tournament ,thats not impressive I understand he battled hard and it was important for the dual and story book and all ,But he should have that same attitude always ,I can remember my son in college being pinned once in his life and that was against a stud at Tulsa as a youth and even he got lucky and everyone told me he was out cold ,and that was fine thats what it should take ,Upperweights are a bit different they are more prone to pinning but even they should fight like H ,when Austin goes to Dapper Dan or nationals this yr if he gets pinned he would have to be unconscious or injured ,You shouldnt be able to break a good wrestler and that means pin him or skunk him AT LEAST GET AN ESCAPE POINT although at a tournament like fargo where some kids are wrestling five or six days in one week your going to gas at some point but still you cant break,

Crazy, WHS98 was trying to explain how exiting the team part of our sport can be.  Stop turning every topic into something negative.   You can't compare your kid to the average wrestler.  Talent, experience, access to great coaching, drive and many others factors put him in category with few others.  Crazy before criticize others for not being like yours,  remember how lucky you are to have had two elite wrestlers.   Just try and say something positive.

I guess you did not read my post ,maybe you need to quit looking for negatives and read ,I said I understood his point it was crucial to the win and storybook, But it also made it sound as if it wouldnt have been a big dual he would have gotten pinned and whos to say that kid doesnt want to win every match with the same intensity or effort ,it had nothing to do with the talent or skill level regardless of a first yr wrestler or olympian if you could avoid a pin in a dual and I guess this kid did he never finished the story you can avoid it in a tournament ,right that was my point along with avoid getting pinned at all costs ,and yes I understand aome kids will get pinned by others no matter what that wasnt what he wad saying .anyway

I saw Cooper wrestle Polly at state a couple yrs back and Cooper completely pummelled him but Cory did not give up the pin ,I understand its very exciting and a kid who is outclassed can earn tremendous respect ,and win even though he loses

Can we please get back on Topic.  Crazy hijacks every post there is.  I have a suggestion......Make one topic for crazy to list his kids "resumes" and every time he "thinks" someone is taking a jab at his boys he can refer them to the resume topic.  That way we won't get the long posts referring to something that happened 10 years ago and we we won't have to look at his grammar mistakes!  

 

Now can we please get back on the topic of State Duals?!

You need a cookie or something ,

So when will the seeding be completed and the pools made public?

The morning of the Duals. The seeding criteria was decided and voted on by the coaches.

The morning of the Duals. The seeding criteria was decided and voted on by the coaches.

This is good news to me...much less in-depth scouting of a team. Line up and wrestle, may the best team win!

Yes louwresfan thats exactly what my point was.Some kids may never be national or even state or region champs but that doesn't mean they can't contribute to a team in a big way and that day esterle really wrestled above what many people thought he could to the eventual state champ.You could tell he was at a total state of exhaustion but didn't want to let his team down.Sometimes it not always about an individual, i think everyone needs to see the movie WHEN THE GAME STANDS TALL,very educational.

WHS--the Trinity/St. X dual came down to the last wrestler again this year. Trinity was up by 1 with the 220 match left. Trinity 220 was down 3 in third, escaped to make it down 2, then got TD and 2 backs with 20-30 seconds left, X kid escaped with about 10 sec....drama. With the dual starting at heavy Trinity was down big, so pins and bonus points were huge to both teams. Tons of excitement, some controversy, but at the end of the day it was a great dual that I hope we see a lot of at state next weekend. I realize many want seeding a certain way, but with all teams being in the same area I'm confident we will be hearing some noise.

Wow thats amazing how close them teams are. Most times i get a little bored with duels but when they are so evenly matched it is the exciting part of wrestling. I think there could be several duels at state duels that could come down to the last match.I could really see Trinity,St.X,Fern Creek,Campbell County,Ryle and Oldham all have some duels that come down to the last match.There might even be some teams i am overlooking.

I know if FC and Trinity came down to the 132 match for a chance to advance or win the whole thing, I think there would be just a bit of drama....but that FC 132 aint half the wrestler you were I bet, right?

I sure hope the FC vs Trinity would never come down to the 132 match,my heart already has enough stress on it during their match,lol.Well i may not have been as good as creeks 132 but in my defense i never stepped on a mat till i was a freshman. But i still have bragging rights for now,i have a 3rd and a 6th place finish at state and he has a 3rd and 8th.

Irish Wrestler - good point.

  But remember  "This Too Shall Pass"

 Only 23 days and it will hopefully just be  an  example of  " Glory Days".  lol

Just noticed your post very cute ,Irish makes a comment about hijacking then when I say ok have this thread to your self ,He comments on a thread I started ,

As for your comment Mommaswatching wtftstm

What would you know about Glory Days youve never had any ,and when these are over You will not see any more like them .

Of course I could take the most unskilled kids in the state and they would soon surpass anyone some simpleton like yourself worked with ,not to mention SAM and ATM would have serious issues if their little brother did not follow in their footsteps ,although who could blame a kid for wanting no part of a sport full of babbling idiots like you with no clue about how its supposed to be done that get so contorted when someone shows them the way.

Crazy, there is a big difference in making a comment and taking over a thread.  

 

Good Luck at State Duals everyone!

Obviously this is a wrestling forum why you would complain about a person commenting then go make posts on that persons threads pretty much tells us everything we need to know about you.

And theres a big difference in some chick tacking knocks on me or my son than just commenting on wrestling ,but This to will pass as every other idiot has faded away to be replaced by people who actually know what they are doing or talking about.

Interesting bit of info folks...Small School has pools released on trackwrestling but Big School doesn't...

I don't know how many people got the chance to see or even heard about the st.x vs trinity matchup last year at the state duels,but for those coaches out there that like to talk up the team concept of wrestling,you could have used this match for a promotional video. It came down to the last match frankrone vs esterle ,yes esterle(most people didn't even know who that was).Frankrone had to pin for trinity to get the win and by all obvious reasons there was nothing to think that wouldn't happen.Well i witnessed the greatest determination by a losing wrestler that i have ever seen.Esterle gave the battle of his career,and that was also matched by Frankrone. Both kids giving everything they had for their team to win.I don't know how many times Esterle battled off his back and for what?not himself,he basically knew he had no chance.It was all for his team,and believe me Frankrone gave it his all for trinity.Best duel i have ever seen hopefully this year can bring some of the same excitement.

 

This match here.......won X the large school State Duals Championship. X went on to beat the OC in the finals. 

 

I understand that there were allot of points scored each way during the dual, so it didn't technically "win the dual" but it did come down to this match and Esterle absolutely gutted it out for the team and gained allot of respect and praise from all involved.

 

Frankly, there are certain match-ups that some kids couldn't win if they had a baseball bat, but battling it out through overwhelming odds, can make a tremendous difference in the team outcome, and in this case, the tournament outcome. 

 

Here's to hoping we see some great action this weekend. Safe travels and Godspeed to everyone making the trek.  

Interesting bit of info folks...Small School has pools released on trackwrestling but Big School doesn't...

I don't think those pools are accurate.  No way Union is the 6 seed.  And Scott High School is listed as Scott County.

Can anyone tell me what the admission cost will be?

One arm and one leg. Just kidding, I have no idea. I guarentee it will be cheaper than your fuel cost to get there though.

7 adults and 4 for students

So how long did it take you to get there?

Where did you stay?

Did you enjoy and good places to eat along the way or during your stay?

Good....

I noticed small school duals had almost all information including brackets in track this is at 1030 est.  Large school has no info. What is the deal? Guess I should have shelled out the big bucks to drive all the way to BFE.

Chill out, Union Co. is Central Time it's only 9:30 there probably putting the finishing touches on seeds.

they are supposed to start wrestling at 930 central time would be nice to see brackets before it starts.  Just got word they have started wrestling still nothing in track.

I had to work. I am trying to follow on track too.

so a few of the round one duals are over still nothing in track for large schools!

I only know from facebook that St. X has beaten Simon Kenton and Fern Creek. I don't know what the brackets look like at all...

Oldham Co. defeated Ryle 38-24 and Ryle beat Henry Clay 50-23 according to their twitter.

Campbell and Union are the only 2 schools keeping their bouts entered.  CC vs St X 31-25 thru 145 right now at 152 with 160 the last weight.  Tight one!

CC 31 St. X 28 with 160 left.  I think CC wins on criteria unless St. X does better than decision.

St. X with pin and win 34-31

It looks like Ryle leads Meade Co. 32-15 with a couple matches left

43-15 Ryle leads.

43-21 was the final.

So a Ryle vs St X final??

Oldham Co.beat Ryle so I don't think they are in The Championship Pool.

I could be wrong but I think the best Ryle can finish is 5th.

St. X vs. Trinity in championship duel.

Campbell Co. leads Oldham Co. 36-0 according to track,

St. X vs. Trinity in championship duel.

 

Thanks, much appreciated.

42-0 it looks like Barrett pinned at 120.

Lillie v. Henley @126 coming up.

I'm not sure if it's true or not but it has Union Co. v. Harrison Co. listed on track now.

Campbell Co. leads Oldham Co. 36-0 according to track,

 

Thanks, much appreciated.

42-0 it looks like Barrett pinned at 120.

Lillie v. Henley @126 coming up.

I'm not sure if it's true or not but it has Union Co. v. Harrison Co. listed on track now.

Are you looking under the regular Duals one and not the big school one?

42-3 Henley wins 4-2.

http://s101.trackwrestling.com/tw/seasons/EventDuals.jsp?TIM=1422748908575&twSessionId=pqspdsdpgpowlvl&eventId=6496071&teamId=1471071

 

Union Co.'s duals

 

Here is the track link

 

http://s101.trackwrestling.com/tw/seasons/DualMatches.jsp?TIM=1422748947289&twSessionId=pqspdsdpgpowlvl&dualId=12533010&teamId=1390071

 

Campbell Co. v. Oldham Co.

Ryle is losing 35-12 but not sure to whom, according to their twitter.

42-3 Henley wins 4-2.

http://s101.trackwrestling.com/tw/seasons/EventDuals.jsp?TIM=1422748908575&twSessionId=pqspdsdpgpowlvl&eventId=6496071&teamId=1471071

 

Union Co.'s duals

 

Here is the track link

 

http://s101.trackwrestling.com/tw/seasons/DualMatches.jsp?TIM=1422748947289&twSessionId=pqspdsdpgpowlvl&dualId=12533010&teamId=1390071

 

Campbell Co. v. Oldham Co.

Thank you

Wise dec. Holden 6-3. 42-6 team score.

Spahr v. Emerson coming up.

Belk just lost 3-2. Ryle now down 38-12, no idea who they are wrestling.

https://twitter.com/rylewrestling

Spahr dec. Emerson 2-0. 45-6.

Wilbers v Gnadinger next.

Gnadinger win by fall. 45-12

 

Skinner v. Jennings next.

Will Allen for Ryle wins 9-3. Ryle down 38-15.

Woolf for Ryle wins by pin. Ryle finishes 6th.

Jennings dec. Skinner 4-0. 45-15.

Parnell v. Emerson next.

Emerson pin Parnell.

McIntosh pin Downton.

45-27 Campbell Co. over Oldham Co. looks to be final.

So we send this thing to the far western reaches of the state and if the teams are not live scoring their own results we as fans have no way of knowing what the heck is happening.  Way to F this one up coaches association.  Why even build the event in track if you were not going to keep it updated.

 

Congrats to whatever teams finished where!  

 

Looks like we will find out tomorrow how this whole thing played out.

I heard that Harrison Co made the small school finals against Union Co. Congrats to them and Coach Ashbrook.

Union won small school. St. X won big school.

Is Union and St X going to meet up now?

That's what I've been told

Union Co. up 11-3.

11-6 Union Co. in front, Beets dec. R. Ervin, next up is C. Oxford v. Patton.

In track it says Oxford pinned Patton in :03 is that right? Tim Pike going for Union next, they have Patton entered in at 138 again.

Score currently 23-6.

29-10 going in to 160. 

35-30

HWT left.

41-30 final.

Great facility and tournament

so who won in the finals?

Union wins against X 41-30 great match ups

congrats on the win!!

So we send this thing to the far western reaches of the state and if the teams are not live scoring their own results we as fans have no way of knowing what the heck is happening.  Way to F this one up coaches association.  Why even build the event in track if you were not going to keep it updated.

 

Congrats to whatever teams finished where!  

 

Looks like we will find out tomorrow how this whole thing played out.

I have to second this sentiment this was a sad day for the fans.

Very exciting Duals ,hated to see some of them decided by injury but thats the nature of the sport ,

Observations , SOME CLOSE DUALS some interesting match ups that really were not as interesting as people expected ,Some coaches played the bump n move game and it failed horribly like with Fern creek,It worked wonderfully for CC and would have actually changed the outcome of the dual minus an injury .Didnt work for X although they still won or perhaps it did I did not see their 170 match ,Bumping Lampe with 0 losses to wrestle Frankone was a bit puzzling Lampe already a bit thin and under muscled bumping to wrestle a strong and talented Frankrone made no sense at all ,Frankrone got ahead and shut down and won a bad bad choice and a not so cool thing to do to one of the best kids in the state his sr yr and any reasoning behind it is wrong very surprising choice of course maybe it was key in the win who knows.X bumped him for Frankone but not Mathews was strange as well perhaps it came down to match ups ,CC get some upsets on x to look like they have it

then X gets some upsets on CC and an inj def finishes them off ,Didnt see a lot of Union but I did see the slam ,Stinks for kids record to go down with a slam but that is also part of the game if you go for it you have to be able to control it and cant get carried away with it ,sometimes its almost a negative because you do all the work and can never go full out for fear of hurting someone and knowing the refs are right there and their constant warnings are unwarranted and play into the match at times they should be silent in the middle of a kid hitting a move yelling at them is very annoying and more distracting than helpful.

And you cant pin a kid with both his shoulders off the mat lol not whining but a ref tells me they went off the mat but pulled him back in ??? well if they wentboff WHY didnt you call them out ,?? still you cant call a pin with the shoulders out ,Not whinning at all dont get put on your back and you wont get pinned I would say myself.

CC would have had an interesting dual with Union the moves they made would have been made for some big match ups they would have switched Their heavy and 220 for an Austin Raynell match up that could have worked or backfired a number of ways no one will ever known.Good luck to Raynell at state though didnt want to see two ky Fargo teammates and friends go at it anyway ,

Missed the Newport Harrison Co brew hahaha ,What happened ? who got ejected ? and who lost team points ? because I heard some Crazy Stories .

What happened to Heidorf he looked Dazed and confused Duiring one match ,must have bumped his head ,

Got to talk to a lot of coaches ,very enjoyable just talking about the sport their team our team their boys and mine and matches going on there ,Great people in Kentucky minus the ones cheering and heckling a kid dislocating his shoulder .

Best of luck to so many good coaches and kids , fun going over old matches and tourneys like youth state way back when .

The groundskeeper said union was trying to get the state tournament there ,it was a decent venue and everything went fairly smooth with some scoring timeclock and time issues but I dont think it would be to everyones benefit to have the state tourney there ,Duals once in a while may be ok ,Congrats to X and particularly to Union well done

ATM takes the Cake and everyone leaves with a smile for the most part with thoughts of regions and state and work to be done still ahead .

Was union county as small as everyone thought or was it a fairytale

Seemed like a normal country town except with a love of Wrestling.

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502 lets not overreact.  St X does well because they choose the best.  Not complaining (to much) it is what it is.  However I hold those schools, that have to coach/teach everyone regardless of talent education or discipline problems, in high regard.  In other words those that are not the chosen.  

 

Its easy to make great chicken salad when your given good chicken to make it out of.  Try making chicken salad out of chicken sh** like many of the public schools have to do.  If you can accomplish that then that is a real accomplishment.  

 

Don't get me wrong I admire and respect what X has done in the last 10 years. But lets not go overboard with the accomplishments.  Its sort of when the media says that the U.S. education if falling in the world standings.  What they don't tell you is that in almost all other countries scores are from the elite of their youth, not every single kid like in the U.S.  Which still has the best education from top to bottom.  X has not bottom because those kids are turned away from the school.  

 

I am not defending CH just standing up for the underdog here.  I'm not real happy how he targets X either, but speaks the truth in many instances in his own round about way.  

502 that wrestler was winning untill he hurt his shoulder I have seen kida fake it he did not and would not .You just showed how classless you really are like those heckling the kid and yelling at him from your piece of trash section you ingrate ,I complemented X and said it could have went either way with a twist or turn .

You saying a kid down by a point with under forty sec left who forfeited on Inj and gave up 6 instead of three didnt change the match ,and then say he was faking your garbage no doubt about it ,Your trash your fans are trash and your sports are weak at best ,No one from there impressed me if you want the truth and as for your knocks on someone making posts about wrestling who knows more about it than you and who obviously makes better wrestlers than your trash talking no class private school recruiting team with no honor whatsoever fans ,Get real I would never cheer or yell when a kid was hurt and if any man or woman cheered when my son was hurt they would have a bigger hospital bill than my son guaranteed .

Now I dont really care about playing nice with you trash I dont have to once you do and say ignorant stuff and blast on good kids who are and were hurt ,Actually is that the best the best private school in ky can do ,what a joke moms from st whatever screaming and cussing in stands like the lowest of trash at matches and yelling derogatory comments at kids who are hurt .St x more like triple X

And st x dont win crap in no category what are you smoking down there you arrogant redneck

And my ranked kid would school your whole team your coaches and anyone who has ever been on your overrated wrestler stealing team ,He knew more about wrestling than anyone and everyone combined In the history of your fairy tale school before he entered the eigth grade .and I could coach a barell of monkeys that could skunk your team .

Excuses are for losers and do nothing but prevent your next generation from being successful. St. X wins in every category, every HS sport, education, and most importantly in LIFE. I try to stay silent but just can't after reading this thread and most threads that seem to be monopolized by one individual that seems to live vicariously through his children. It's obvious that this said individual has never accomplished anything in his life that wasn't earned by his children. I saw a different duel this weekend than said individual saw as I paid attention to our 'team' and not just my son. See, the reason that we win is that we put the team before ourselves, or in your case, 'your kids'. We win because we sacrifice a single persons pride for the betterment of the TEAM. This is obviously something that a simple minded person, or to put it not so nicely, life losers, will never understand... And that is the difference between winners and losers.

Oh and while we are on topic... Loses by injury didn't happen this weekend. What happened is a Junior wrestler ranked 4th... per the state rankings... Which I will never understand but at the end of the day doesn't really matter... But, your ranked kid was getting his ass handed to him by an unranked freshman and quit in the middle of the match after getting out pointed and almost turned twice untilI the kid QUIT mid match. He was not injured, he was beat and his pride was hurt. You will never see an X man quit because he is beat... Because we teach our boys that life is a journey and the true test of a man is how he reacts to loses, how he rebounds and continues to press forward. We win, that's what we do, and that's why the rest of the state hates us. Oh, and more importantly when we do lose, as everyone does, we stay humble, congratulate the opponent, and go back to the drawing board and learn from our loses. That my friend is the difference between losers and winners in LIFE!

You are so off based with the kid "faking" his injury. Maybe you should do a little research before posting such nonsense. The kid actually DID hurt his shoulder and there was no faking. Also, the kid you are talking about would never quit and from understanding the trainer said no more for the kid not him.

If we are talking about Krebs, I saw his shoulder pop out then back in.

Excuses are for losers and do nothing but prevent your next generation from being successful. St. X wins in every category, every HS sport, education, and most importantly in LIFE. I try to stay silent but just can't after reading this thread and most threads that seem to be monopolized by one individual that seems to live vicariously through his children. It's obvious that this said individual has never accomplished anything in his life that wasn't earned by his children. I saw a different duel this weekend than said individual saw as I paid attention to our 'team' and not just my son. See, the reason that we win is that we put the team before ourselves, or in your case, 'your kids'. We win because we sacrifice a single persons pride for the betterment of the TEAM. This is obviously something that a simple minded person, or to put it not so nicely, life losers, will never understand... And that is the difference between winners and losers.

Oh and while we are on topic... Loses by injury didn't happen this weekend. What happened is a Junior wrestler ranked 4th... per the state rankings... Which I will never understand but at the end of the day doesn't really matter... But, your ranked kid was getting his ass handed to him by an unranked freshman and quit in the middle of the match after getting out pointed and almost turned twice untilI the kid QUIT mid match. He was not injured, he was beat and his pride was hurt. You will never see an X man quit because he is beat... Because we teach our boys that life is a journey and the true test of a man is how he reacts to loses, how he rebounds and continues to press forward. We win, that's what we do, and that's why the rest of the state hates us. Oh, and more importantly when we do lose, as everyone does, we stay humble, congratulate the opponent, and go back to the drawing board and learn from our loses. That my friend is the difference between losers and winners in LIFE!

 

This post is dripping with humility, then again I guess you are stating you stay humble, congratulate the opponent after losses.  Apparently after wins the standard doesn't apply.  No I am not from CC.  I'm just a fan that supports a team that has barely any wrestlers, but love the sport.

Yeah me too kid was seriously hurt ,and All the CC fans and people heard the trash talk and yelling from the x fans ,just like the trash talk on this site about him .

I have seen him win and lose good and bad days .no way he would have gave up an extra 3 team points without being hurt seconds left only down by 1 and on bottom and wrestling a kid he has beaten before and like the $($)&) piece of $_@_@ said he was ranked higher because he was straight up better than .Most classless bunch of trash fans I have ever seen in any sport .Not the kids faults I know and I always talk to the x kids when I can and tell them good match or congrats and Lampe is one of my favorite wrestlers ,But some of the x fans are the worst I have ever seen .cheering when a kid was hurt in front of the whole state thats pathetic ,then coming on a forum and bashing him what a bunch of ignorant wannabees

Well...

 

I cannot say I disagree with X bumping Lampe to wrestle Frankrone because I do not know the background....what has been happening in their wrestling room...or what the coaches may know about the situation that I do not.  Coaches take different approaches to their programs and I cannot say one is right and one is wrong.  Some emphasize the individual accomplishments and others the team aspect.  Personally, I like the team aspect.  Every year there is only one wrestler in each class that attains the ultimate goal in state...the state championship.  That means every one of the other 31 wrestlers in a class will have to deal with defeat.  How does the loser respond?  If too much emphasis is placed on the individual goal, what happens when that athlete loses?  (I am not suggesting we prepare for failure...I hate losing, but athletes need to understand there is more than individual glory.)  We have all seen great wrestlers lose in the winners brackets and lay down in the consos.  Are they willing to overcome their personal disappoint for the good of the group?   Are they willing to overlook their personal failure so the team can succeed?  Teams have lost state titles because individuals have quit on their teams. 

 

For the rest of their lives these young men will be part of a team.  A family, a business, a church, etc.  Will they place their personal aspirations above those of their wives and children?  The life lessons they learn as a member of a team are invaluable.  These boys will live much longer than they will wrestle.  Each coach chooses his own approach.  And I do not know if bumping Lampe made a difference in the outcome of the dual or not.  But a question to ask is this..."Am I willing to give up my undefeated record in the regular season so that my team can win a Dual State Championship?" 

Never see an X man quit hahahah you read too many comics ,I think one Or two X men have quit and went on to do better elsewhere .

Of course your humble when you lose you get the advantage of stealing kids from all over and wrestling teams that can only use whats in their district ,In the big leauge of private school teams X isnt even a blimp on the radar .preaching all your private school mumbo jumbo about teaching life lessons then blasting a kid who is hurt at the match and on a forum and then talking yourself up for it .Newsflash mr private school holier and better than thou art poster boy ,Your team got smoked by a small school with fans like CC that would never openly cheer a kid getting Hurt ,I may be a big pain in the butt bragger and often times stir up some talk to kill the boredom but never would I knock a kid who was actually hurt and I would be blasting anyone from CC who openly did as well.you have some issues with your fans at your school and obviously its fine with the majority there .You epitomize the stereotype that hurts all private schools .

Have to say hope anyone wins but you whack jobs .

I agree if his team won because of the move perhaps ,I also know a coach should know it can backfire and Lampe as good as he is is not a physical specimen for his weight and is already injured ,You going to risk one of the best wrestlers in the state duiring his sr yr when hes hurt already bumping against Frankrone ,Unless he wanted the match himself wich I would say hes a beast for I would nkt have done it even for a state dual title ,Probably not even if it was for Lampe ,You dont throw your top dog to the wolves for a gamble .Frankrone throws Lampe on that shoulder one good time and his HS yr and possibly scholarship is done ,Yeah real great team there BOOBY MILES .

Excuses are for losers and do nothing but prevent your next generation from being successful. St. X wins in every category, every HS sport, education, and most importantly in LIFE. I try to stay silent but just can't after reading this thread and most threads that seem to be monopolized by one individual that seems to live vicariously through his children. It's obvious that this said individual has never accomplished anything in his life that wasn't earned by his children. I saw a different duel this weekend than said individual saw as I paid attention to our 'team' and not just my son. See, the reason that we win is that we put the team before ourselves, or in your case, 'your kids'. We win because we sacrifice a single persons pride for the betterment of the TEAM. This is obviously something that a simple minded person, or to put it not so nicely, life losers, will never understand... And that is the difference between winners and losers.

Oh and while we are on topic... Loses by injury didn't happen this weekend. What happened is a Junior wrestler ranked 4th... per the state rankings... Which I will never understand but at the end of the day doesn't really matter... But, your ranked kid was getting his ass handed to him by an unranked freshman and quit in the middle of the match after getting out pointed and almost turned twice untilI the kid QUIT mid match. He was not injured, he was beat and his pride was hurt. You will never see an X man quit because he is beat... Because we teach our boys that life is a journey and the true test of a man is how he reacts to loses, how he rebounds and continues to press forward. We win, that's what we do, and that's why the rest of the state hates us. Oh, and more importantly when we do lose, as everyone does, we stay humble, congratulate the opponent, and go back to the drawing board and learn from our loses. That my friend is the difference between losers and winners in LIFE!

 

I am going to go with B10grapple on this one...not the most humble post.  Those types of posts contribute to the "hatred" that you say the state has for X. 

 

Let's remember that we are talking about 14-18 year old kids.  Regardless of size, strength or skill...these are just kids.  To accuse an athlete of faking an injury is dangerous.  We have all seen kids use "injury time" as nothing more than "tired time."  And we have seen kids yell out when going to their backs just to get up and win the match with no apparent injury.  I know this can be frustrating...I have been there more than I would like to admit.  But how do you know for a fact that the kid you are referring to was not injured?  He might have been wrestling with an injury and aggravated it during the match.  He might have been competing while injured to help his team and it just got to the point where he could not go on.  Let's not attack the kid.  If you do not know the facts...then you are assuming...and assumptions are often wrong.

I agree if his team won because of the move perhaps ,I also know a coach should know it can backfire and Lampe as good as he is is not a physical specimen for his weight and is already injured ,You going to risk one of the best wrestlers in the state duiring his sr yr when hes hurt already bumping against Frankrone ,Unless he wanted the match himself wich I would say hes a beast for I would nkt have done it even for a state dual title ,Probably not even if it was for Lampe ,You dont throw your top dog to the wolves for a gamble .Frankrone throws Lampe on that shoulder one good time and his HS yr and possibly scholarship is done ,Yeah real great team there BOOBY MILES .

 

No need to call names Crazyhorse...

 

As I said, I do not know the entire background, nor do you.  And I would never suggest bumping a kid if he could be injured.  (Of course, anytime you step on the mat there is the risk of injury.)  But there is some background to consider.  X and Trinity wrestled the Thursday night before the State Duals and there was some bumping of weight classes.  Even with the loss by Lampe, his moving may have kept Trinity from bumping Frankrone to give them an advantage in the dual.  Even his loss could have resulted in a victory.  Lampe and Frankrone have wrestled each other for years.  They grew up in the River City program and even wrestled with one another during Frankrone's freshmen year at X.  (In the scrimmage this year as well.)  They are familiar with one another and their styles, therefore, Lampe knows what to stay away from in that setting.  His coaches would also know how the two matched up considering that past history and their wrestling everyday with each other in the past.  I am certain they would not have put Lampe on the mat if they thought there was any significant threat of injury or if they felt he was too far over his head.  Which he was obviously not.        

I agree if his team won because of the move perhaps ,I also know a coach should know it can backfire and Lampe as good as he is is not a physical specimen for his weight and is already injured ,You going to risk one of the best wrestlers in the state duiring his sr yr when hes hurt already bumping against Frankrone ,Unless he wanted the match himself wich I would say hes a beast for I would nkt have done it even for a state dual title ,Probably not even if it was for Lampe ,You dont throw your top dog to the wolves for a gamble .Frankrone throws Lampe on that shoulder one good time and his HS yr and possibly scholarship is done ,Yeah real great team there BOOBY MILES .

 

I would not call Lampe a dog and Frankrone a wolf.

Whoa, whoa, whoa can't we all just get along.

 

• Krebs is a good wrestler, a good kid and if I am not mistaken had a previous shoulder injury. (Thought I heard this could be wrong.)
• Always represented himself with class, has good family and always gave my wrestling interest (From River City / X) good competition.
• I saw the shoulder, looked pretty bad from where I was at. Didn't think anybody was faking. From a father that paid for labrum surgery this summer, better err on the side of caution. 
• Was I happy about some in the X crowd's reaction? No. But , heat of the moment gets the best of people sometime. No excuses for it, I was embarrassed, especially when Mr. Krebs looked up our way.  
• Don't paint all X parents fans with a broad brush, see my aforementioned comments, and anything I ever post if you have any questions. 

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa can't we all just get along.

 

• Krebs is a good wrestler, a good kid and if I am not mistaken had a previous shoulder injury. (Thought I heard this could be wrong.)
• Always represented himself with class, has good family and always gave my wrestling interest (From River City / X) good competition.
• I saw the shoulder, looked pretty bad from where I was at. Didn't think anybody was faking. From a father that paid for labrum surgery this summer, better err on the side of caution. 
• Was I happy about some in the X crowd's reaction? No. But , heat of the moment gets the best of people sometime. No excuses for it, I was embarrassed, especially when Mr. Krebs looked up our way.  
• Don't paint all X parents fans with a broad brush, see my aforementioned comments, and anything I ever post if you have any questions. 

 

 

Great post Granby.  I think we could all agree that every fan base has a parent on two, or more, who have said or done something in the heat of battle that they later regretted.

I would not call Lampe a dog and Frankrone a wolf.

 

I do not think that was his intention.

Krebs is a great kid.  I hope he's okay and ready to go for regions.  Him and his dad are top notch. 

Well I have called people names today but not in the post you quoted and if you back to my first post I said the same thing that it might have contributed to the win ,My first post I went over it and said I did not know .But after the bs and im not putting anyones Injuries out there because thats an x fan move Lampe was wearing that shoulder brace for a reason and it was not to look cool ,try to protect a teams image all you want I like the boy always have I talked to him way before that match ,I would not have done it wrestling defensive against a stronger opponent your more likely to be hurt batshit crazy idea dumb inconsiderate and unintligent ,Spin a nice story all you want about old teammates or whatever .

No I meant I wouldnt throw my dog to the wolves ,Compliment to both in my world ,Frankone is a big bad wolf and Lampe is Xs big Dog ,exactly what I posted is what I meant .And I talked to lampe he has some minor injury issues ,I would not have risked him .

Well I have called people names today but not in the post you quoted and if you back to my first post I said the same thing that it might have contributed to the win ,My first post I went over it and said I did not know .But after the bs and im not putting anyones Injuries out there because thats an x fan move Lampe was wearing that shoulder brace for a reason and it was not to look cool ,try to protect a teams image all you want I like the boy always have I talked to him way before that match ,I would not have done it wrestling defensive against a stronger opponent your more likely to be hurt batshit crazy idea dumb inconsiderate and unintligent ,Spin a nice story all you want about old teammates or whatever .

 

Gotcha...I know who Booby Miles is.

 

Lampe is not a former teammate, but a good kid.  And if you notice, I noted how poorly one of the X posters commented on the Krebs match...not as an X homer.  Just a fan of the sport making an observation.  Just happening to see it differently, but could change my opinion with more information.  Merely looking at all the options.

Obviously I do not have a distatste for everyone at any school I have great admiration for Lampe as all my posts have shown this yr .I doubt he needed any lessons in losing or humility hes a warrior ,And congrats to HIM if his sacrifice paid off on the other hand nice job X for sacrificing and risking your best wrestler right up there with the well more than one of your fans who yelled at an obviously hurt wrestler whos win would have sealed your fate in the Duals.

You are so off based with the kid "faking" his injury. Maybe you should do a little research before posting such nonsense. The kid actually DID hurt his shoulder and there was no faking. Also, the kid you are talking about would never quit and from understanding the trainer said no more for the kid not him.

True. I'm pretty sure ai saw the trainer telling him he was done. They did in fact promptly leave the tournament and go to the hospital to get checked.

502, shame on you for attacking that kid like that. Your insults being vaguely aimed at a school strongly indicate you think the wrestler quit because he was losing. That's a pretty big person to attack a kids ethics like that. You want to talk TEAM? Without that injury default there's a good chance X loses that dual. You only won by 3. And in fact, the CC wrestler was winning handily until he hurt his shoulder, then tried to fight through it and hurt it again. Come on man. Coming from a Catholic school myself, your post attacking that wrestler isn't helping the bad taste many have for Catholics or private schools.

Obviously I do not have a distatste for everyone at any school I have great admiration for Lampe as all my posts have shown this yr .I doubt he needed any lessons in losing or humility hes a warrior ,And congrats to HIM if his sacrifice paid off on the other hand nice job X for sacrificing and risking your best wrestler right up there with the well more than one of your fans who yelled at an obviously hurt wrestler whos win would have sealed your fate in the Duals.

I don't think the guy was taking up for STX.  Just talking some wrestling.

I didnt say anthing negative to him ,but anyone who knows me knows I would be the first to knock anyone from cc that acted thay way or talked smack about a kid being hurt ,I mean if I was a real jerk rather than say thats part of the sport and a few thing this way or that and either team wins a number of ways ,I would have said enjoy your cheap win off an injury and good thing none of tbose ignorant rednecks yelling trash at a kid whos shoulder was obviously out of socket have anything significantly to do with the sport and thats the highlight of their yr yelling at a hurt kid who beat them ready this yr .but I didnt say that first because there may be a few with some morals at X but I didnt see anyone in their stands tell the trash in green to shut up either

Crazyhorse you misunderstood me.  When I said 8798 wasn't taking up for STX, I meant in their coaching decision with Lampe and Frankrone. 

 

 

Well I have called people names today but not in the post you quoted and if you back to my first post I said the same thing that it might have contributed to the win ,My first post I went over it and said I did not know .But after the bs and im not putting anyones Injuries out there because thats an x fan move Lampe was wearing that shoulder brace for a reason and it was not to look cool ,try to protect a teams image all you want I like the boy always have I talked to him way before that match ,I would not have done it wrestling defensive against a stronger opponent your more likely to be hurt batshit crazy idea dumb inconsiderate and unintligent ,Spin a nice story all you want about old teammates or whatever .

 

Here you said he's trying to protect the teams (STX) image and put a nice spin on the story as an old teammate.  Obviously not, he ripped 502 for attacking Krebs injury.

I have never posted on here or anywhere before. Not my character. 502 if you have a son or daughter. I hope you never have to end a day the way I did, Saturday. My son Brad Krebs was hurt. He dislocated his shoulder. He may or may not wrestle at regions. We hope the Dr. will release him. I was raised catholic. Left catholic school after 6th grade. It appears I made a wise decision. Because I can honestly say I never cheer when a competitor gets hurt. By the way your fans acted. I can say I think most our fans and wrestlers have already won. We have won the game of LIFE. I have been around wrestling for 32 years. Very seldom do you see people cheer when someone gets hurt. Please don't answer this response. For one day you will meet your GOD, so please take any time and use it for thinking of that response. As for Brads character, ask him anything you would like. Any one that knows him, knows he don't just quit. As for ranked 4th. Rankings mean nothing ! Thats why people and teams compete. I never have put much in them ask anyone who knows me. Its just another wrestler in a singlet, is what I teach. If my grammar is bad in this I'm sorry. Very upset right now.    

Mr. Krebs, all I can say is I am sorry.  I obviously misspoke and am man enough to admit when I am wrong.  The point that I was trying to make obviously was misconstrued in my typed words via my pride and ego taking over.  I will pray for your son and his recovery.  I was wrong and apologize for my unfortunate error in judgement.  It will never happen again.  Wrestling is an amazing sport and like all sports today sometimes gets ruined by the parents pride and ego.  I have always tried to not let that get in the way of my kids athletic accomplishments but have obviously failed in this particular situation.  Lesson learned.  Again, I sincerely hope and pray that Brad recovers and competes in the state tournament that I know he has worked so hard for. 

yeah I feel bad too, An x guy came up to me and said hey that was a good dual and I snubbed him just walked away ,he was being legit but me being a sore loser I was extra ticked at some hecklers its all good there are good and bad everywhere but I have never seen that at a wrestling meet EVER .

Gymnast126...

I was sitting with Crazyhorse and I SWEAR I said "I think he dislocated it". It just looked like that. Kudos to him because I snow it stopped once, and he went back at it until it was stopped again. Here's praying he'll make it back for regionals. My own son had a serious back injury once when wrestling. Hard to see injuries happen to ANY wrestler. Godspeed to any of these young men.

Mr. Krebs I hope Brad is Ok ,I have only seen good things from him in the short times I have been around him.I know it must have been brutal for you  to hear that someone would say he faked an injury when you see your son hurting.I watched when AJ snapped his arm and believe me I would never wish that on anyone, and if someone would have laughed or said something out of line at the time, well someone else will be hurt either me or them. I commend 502 for what seems to be a sincere apology but people should really know the facts before going on a rant.Good luck to a speedy return Brad.

I wasn't in Union co this weekend so I obviously didn't see this situation and I don't have a dog in the CC/X fight except to say a number of these kids/parents have been in less than friendly matchups at MS state duals in the past. BUT I will say that I have known Brad Krebs for about 10 years as a coach and fan. He is a tough tough kid who understands the team aspect of wrestling and no way would he give up on himself or the team in that situation.

As a former X wrestler and grad, 502 you absolutely disgust me. Anyone who cheers while a kid is injured is a coward and shell of a person. As a competitor, I had the utmost respect for opponents, and would like to assure the remainder of this community, do not discount a school from one pathetic example. Mr. Krebs, I wish your son a hasty recovery.

Krebs was up 5-2 when he hurt his shoulder.  Either way X still recruits and their best wrestler ever, came from Indiana (oh wait he lived in Indiana during his high school career).

Krebs was up 5-2 when he hurt his shoulder.  Either way X still recruits and their best wrestler ever, came from Indiana (oh wait he lived in Indiana during his high school career).

 

Sorry...decided to delete the post.  My bad.

Either way X still recruits and their best wrestler ever, came from Indiana (oh wait he lived in Indiana during his high school career).

 

 

I think you may be talking about the wrong schools recruiting (Union - Carr, Blackwell. Woodford- Carr. Ryle- Mark Hall. CC- Myers brothers, not to mention they wrestled varsity for one school then midseason started wrestling for CC. Just to name a few) Not a knock at all on any of those wrestlers all outstanding. Most of the kids that wrestle at StX come up through the River City program, which they are not allowed to compete varsity unlike the public schools.Huge advantage to public schools. And there are quite a few wrestlers who wrestle river city but choose to attend else where. Also there are a large amount of students that attend from across the river that do not participate in athletics. February is here goodluck too all

CC did not recruit MYERS you imbecile ,and public school kids wrestle wherever they live ,private school wrestlers live and come from numeous areas and would attend different schools it doesnt matter what team you wrestle for in youth those are just recruiting tools for private schools where youth kids from various areas wrestle to get an advantage over public school teams and prepare for their private school.

.as for moving mid season so what all that did was cheat the boys out of matches and practice time that only hurt them because of dumb rules not to mention all the shenanigans at Grant co .Myers Both lived in CC when they were Born And the first elementary school they ever attended was in CC ,people do move.X Trinity and all the rest of the private schools shouldnt even be allowed to wrestle public schools they should all have to wrestle and play sports against schools without border limits like themselves so holes can yell at other private school kids when they are hurt and then you can preach to yourselves about your greatness lol.You even have kids moving from private to private school without even moving ,If thats not recruiting what is.

I can't help but laugh at the hostility, because not once did I insult a kid or knock him for his accomplishments. I actually applaud each of those kids mentioned for their hard work and dedication to the sport. 

 

So public schools don't have feeder programs? Oh they do? Ohhh okay. Private should only be allowed to wrestle Private? But wrestling is dominated by Public Schools. Look at the comparison of State Titles between Public and Private. I think you might have a different outlook on that.

 

You are right about the living area for attending a certain public school, but can you explain the mobile home that a now p4p best wrestler in the country used to establish "residency" to wrestle as an 8th grader at a PUBLIC school used? Again not knocking that kid or his family, have a lot of respect for his talents and the way he carries himself like a true champion on and off the mat.

 

So it's not an advantage for a middle school kid to wrestle varsity and represent a school and gain that experience over someone who is not allowed? Because all that does is get them more matches and practice time which is beneficial right?

 

Also not once did I applaud a parent cheering for an injured kid that is absolutely disgusting.

lol Hall moved and lived there dont havebto explain anything if his dad wants to go to that extreme and live in a mobile home thats his buisness and his kid has to go to school its not a rule its a law ,Those are the rules and as for youth jr high private schools are all HS thats their problem ,

as for middle school kids competing the middle school kids going to x or wherever would have to wrestle varsity on their public school areas team duhh.Of course public schools have feeder programs its the schools that are in their area .

and you didnt compliment anyone you said kids were recruited you Lied your a liar .

As for laughing thats what im doing now with you talking about Hall whos dad went to the extreme and you applaud him yet loint fingers at him fir following rules .

Now what about all those kids at X or trinity who would be at different schools I wonder how many they come from and this ejr high club teams do not have to follow the rules if public school teams they have the advantage my kids wrestled club and had twice as many matches in ten x the states of any of their public school comp .a few hs matches would not make up dor all that not even close .

Krebs was up 5-2 when he hurt his shoulder.  Either way X still recruits and their best wrestler ever, came from Indiana (oh wait he lived in Indiana during his high school career).

 

Are you saying Knable was recruited?

Not a knock at all on any of those wrestlers all outstanding.

Apology accepted.

 

Now what about all those kids at X or trinity who would be at different schools I wonder how many they come from and this ejr high club teams do not have to follow the rules if public school teams they have the advantage my kids wrestled club and had twice as many matches in ten x the states of any of their public school comp .a few hs matches would not make up dor all that not even close .

 Why would they be at different schools? Because you have the freedom to choose between going to a public or private school? Not that one is better than the other, but maybe their parents felt one was better suited for their child as opposed to the other option based on their location and visa versa. And so it's not an advantage per say a Harrison Courtney to wrestle at state 6x as opposed to 4? Again not knocking Harrison for his accomplishments he was/is an outstanding wrestler.

Also, in the last 15 years 11 state titles have been won by a public school, and we can go further back if you'd like to but feel that is unneccessary. This is a sport in the state of KENTUCKY that is DOMINATED by public schools that are at a "disadvantage"

I think you may be talking about the wrong schools recruiting (Union - Carr, Blackwell. Woodford- Carr. Ryle- Mark Hall. CC- Myers brothers, not to mention they wrestled varsity for one school then midseason started wrestling for CC. Just to name a few) Not a knock at all on any of those wrestlers all outstanding. Most of the kids that wrestle at StX come up through the River City program, which they are not allowed to compete varsity unlike the public schools.Huge advantage to public schools. And there are quite a few wrestlers who wrestle river city but choose to attend else where. Also there are a large amount of students that attend from across the river that do not participate in athletics. February is here goodluck too all

Like CH said the Myers boys were not recruited by CC. You might want to check your facts on that one.

Facts can be an issue.  Assuming is easy, but actually getting the facts takes some work.  I have enjoyed the privilege of teaching/coaching at both public and privates schools.  Being a public school guy all my life, I was actually surprised by some of the shared struggles of the students in both settings. (I guess I stereotyped private school kids and was mistaken.)  The bottom line is that there is recruiting among public and private schools.  One of the major differences is that one has to move into a district and the other does not.  Some have transferred in during the wrestling season and transferred out when it is done.  Some have parents who are given jobs so their kid can wrestle for a particular program.  Others have been offered scholarships and free tuition.  The programs who have done these things is up for debate.  But I, for one, do not want to be guilty of assuming programs/coaches are involved in this activity without facts.  Not rumor...facts.   

Everyone recruits! You're not an attentive HS coach if you're not watching middle school kids with potential and inquiring about their HS intentions. There are MS programs where kids can choose from a few public high schools to attend. Yes, some MS programs feed directly into the HS...but not all. As for private schools, if a kid comes in and plays a sport that school can't give more than 25% in tuition assistance. Scholarships and free tuition don't exist after 25% unless kid is going there only for education and no athletics.

Just curious about over lapping area's such as Newport is in Campbell Co. could kid attend either? or North Oldham or Oldham Co.?

I personally couldn't care less if any school recruited, but to say that schools (private or public) don't recruit is fantasy. If a young person is particularly gifted at a sport and a different school gave them a better opportunity for the next level, then I don't begrudge the parent at all for making the move.  Similarly if a student wanted to transfer schools because the math department was better, then I would be supportive of that also.  People will compain it isn't fair...who ever promised anybody fair?  I think the only thing that should be taken into consideration is size of school.  For example, there is a particular school where I grew up that dominates the state in football but is not in the largest school division because total enrollment is only about 1,000 students.  Well those 1,000 students happen to be 100% male, whereas the public schools with similar enrollment are about 50% male population.  Beyond that, I really don't care.  This is like saying it isn't fair because some geographic areas have better youth programs...well...develop a better youth program.

Just curious about over lapping area's such as Newport is in Campbell Co. could kid attend either? or North Oldham or Oldham Co.?

Newport has its own school district lines from my understanding so you have to live in district lines or pay tuition I am pretty sure.

I have no idea if Knable was recruited, but I do know he was not a resident in Kentucky when he attended St. X.

How can you say Woodford recruited Carr? His uncle/cousin were the coaches. He came to KY because he could compete while still in MS and left, just like Hall. Where else would he have gone? I don't think family involvement falls under recruiting.

There are not that many lrivate schools in KY (thank god seeing as how many of their fans act not just one )the fact that they do not or have not dominated must have to do with how they do things but percentage wise I think they are waay ahead .

Now if theres anyone really dumb enough in KY to think that private schools do not have a huuuuge advantage drawing kids from all over rather than a certain area and getting all the best kids wanting to be on thr same team and obviously some rude @&& stuck up parents wanting some prima donnas on a winning team you deserve every old dumb redneck stereotype out their ,As for public schools people do move and if they move for sports so be it ,Personally and honestly when my family left grant co of course we looked at where and who they would wrestle for we were going to move for either ryle or CC , We went to their dual and Ryle actually won so it wasnt really the sport ,Both coaches I think were worried about the drama ,and wether anyone says it or not ,I have NEVER interfered or caused any drama at CC and no knocking anyone I would like nothing more than to walk on the floor and coach my sons like I always did from kindergarten to HS but I do not and many dads do .I grew up in CC my friends and family are there ,my kids and I were BORN there but if some dufus at a private school wants to say my kids were recruited and some people are dumb enough to believe it I guess it doesnt really matter .

Now look at all the best teams across the nation and then come back and say how private schools have no advantage.

I have no idea if Knable was recruited, but I do know he was not a resident in Kentucky when he attended St. X.

 

And that matters if a family is seeking a better education for their son and it happens to be offered across a state line?

Of course .A kid living in one state and going to school and competing in another Thats a big time no no and the worst recruiting imaginable .

You cannot live in Newport and go to CC without tuition .there are or used to be some shady areas where some kids went to CC some went to Newpt and others to highlands in Southgate Ky depending on what street you lived on.

Of course .A kid living in one state and going to school and competing in another Thats a big time no no and the worst recruiting imaginable .

 

If a school offers academic programs that a family wants their child to be involved in, and they choose to send their child to that school as a result, it is not recruiting.  The school did not pursue the child, the family pursued the school due to their curriculum.  Sometimes families choose schools based on academics and not athletics.

You live in one state and go to school in another and this is a wrestling site a sports site lol and this person is being discussed because of achievement in sports if you do not see the irony in that you have real issues ,So a school cam have kids from anywhere even other states wich is against most states rules and some of you say its fair or equal competition with public school s,Thats insane .private schools should have to go by the same rules as public schools and have borders and if not they should have to compete against each other as I said you even have kids jumping from private school to private school lol but you do not recruit and offering free scholarship for athletes should be an instant rule violation .

And they are all Guilty as can be.

 One factor parents and students might choose to go to some of the private schools is their Religious affiliation.  There are not very many Catholic High Schools.  Other reasons are the curriculum,and discipline both of these matters have historically had higher standards than most public schools.  Also wrestling is not a sport at every public school nor is academic  team. Hence, if parents have a kid that wants to participate in a particular extracurricular activity/ enriched learning environment and are faced with having to pay tuition most will choose Private. 

This is a wrestling forum no one is dumb enough to think that any significant amount of kids of any consequence to this forum or fans go to any private school for anything othet than wrestling .And it doesnt matter what they are there for and lmfao I sure as H cant believe thise dumb rednecks from x who were standing up in the bleachers men and women alike cheering and yelling at a kid who was obviously hurt give two craps about religion ,unless its one of those comparable to the now less than favorable mideastern jihadi prone types ,of course you were probably one standing up .

if parents have a kid that wants to participate in a particular extracurricular activity/ enriched learning environment and are faced with having to pay tuition most will choose Private. 

If this were true then there would be much more private schools.  I truly don't believe this is true.  Most of the people I know would never send their kids to a private school. There is not enough diversity in both education and sociologically. Especially in the high school. 

 

And yes private has an advantage over public.  Larger school districts have an advantage over smaller also.  The larger the drawing area for the school the more of a chance for talented individuals.  There may be exceptions to the rule but for the majority this is true.  

private schools should have to go by the same rules as public schools

So allow middle school kids in their feeder program to compete at the varsity level? Maybe public schools should have to go by the same rules as the private? Recruiting aside because it happens everywhere public/private/homeschool where ever, you can't argue the fact that it's an advantage for a middle school kid to get varsity experience at the high school level. Also I know that you have been in multiple states and have a wide range of wrestling experiences but we are not talking about anywhere but the state of KY.

The feeder schools have no district or area the same as their High schools so yes they can follow the same rules that should apply ti everyone they should have to compete ONLY against other private schools jr highs or high schools OR there should be seperate div ,Like grappler said if a school that has kids from the area of say a CC wrestles one say the sise of Newpt its a huge disadvantage now x that infinitly and even across state lines it apears and wth kind of disadvantage is that to any public school let them compete perhaps but keep achievements and awards seperate .In most states the private schools have tournaments that include only private schools they laugh at public schools and not onky have their own tournaments but do those of public schools as well .And in the case of kys few private schools who obviously have no control of their idiot fan base who wouldnt want them seperated .

You live in one state and go to school in another and this is a wrestling site a sports site lol and this person is being discussed because of achievement in sports if you do not see the irony in that you have real issues ,So a school cam have kids from anywhere even other states wich is against most states rules and some of you say its fair or equal competition with public school s,Thats insane .private schools should have to go by the same rules as public schools and have borders and if not they should have to compete against each other as I said you even have kids jumping from private school to private school lol but you do not recruit and offering free scholarship for athletes should be an instant rule violation .

And they are all Guilty as can be.

 

I never said schools do not recruit.  If you read my posts you will see that I said many do.  It is just that my definition of recruiting seems to be quite different from yours.  And the KHSAA allowed that student to jump from one private school to another without sitting out a year.  That is an organizational matter. 

 

 

This is a wrestling forum no one is dumb enough to think that any significant amount of kids of any consequence to this forum or fans go to any private school for anything othet than wrestling .And it doesnt matter what they are there for and lmfao I sure as H cant believe thise dumb rednecks from x who were standing up in the bleachers men and women alike cheering and yelling at a kid who was obviously hurt give two craps about religion ,unless its one of those comparable to the now less than favorable mideastern jihadi prone types ,of course you were probably one standing up .

 

I disagree.  There are actually student-athletes who are quite competitive in our sport...not just athletic students.  And over the years I have been in more than a few gyms, in more than a few states, and seen numerous fanbases seem to conduct themselves poorly.  Did you ask any of those fans why they were cheering?  Did anyone tell you they cheered due to an injury?  You can assume, but you do not know if you do not ask.  (Of course, it is easier to criticize and make accusations than it is to get to the bottom of it.)  Some may have been cheering that their kid won and did not realize the other athlete was seriously injured.  Many of us have done things in the heat of battle that we later regretted.  We already saw an apology for such an action.  Every fanbase has folks who take it too far...don't assume they all do!

 

Let me also add that I was not there and did not see it.  Just posing some questions...  If it was as has been reported, a fanbase cheering because a kid was injured...that is terrible and extremely poor sportsmanship!

The feeder schools have no district or area the same as their High schools so yes they can follow the same rules that should apply ti everyone they should have to compete ONLY against other private schools jr highs or high schools OR there should be seperate div ,Like grappler said if a school that has kids from the area of say a CC wrestles one say the sise of Newpt its a huge disadvantage now x that infinitly and even across state lines it apears and wth kind of disadvantage is that to any public school let them compete perhaps but keep achievements and awards seperate .In most states the private schools have tournaments that include only private schools they laugh at public schools and not onky have their own tournaments but do those of public schools as well .And in the case of kys few private schools who obviously have no control of their idiot fan base who wouldnt want them seperated .

 

I guess when a teams fans act crazy it is because the coach and school can't control their fans.  That's ridiculous!  Everybody has some overboard fans.

Of course ,but therebis a difference between rowdy moms and dads yelling for their kids ,And Moms yelling thats a fn pin for christ sake in front of six yr olds like the x mom did in wv or a group of fans yelling at an obviously Injured kid to get up quit faking and yelling BS like at duals all Xfans and then those same types preaching their superiority on this site along with how a kid was not Hurt ,The kid had beaten and was beating his x opponent untill he was hurt thats a fact ,its not just one its obviously a number of them of course I understand their just to ignorant to understand the sport or that you do not yell at kids unless they are your own .

As for all the recruiting Get real those same parents are there watching their kids that they drive across numerous public school zones so that their kids can be on a team with other recruits ,I have no issues with it except the Dumb $@bs that act like it doeasnt happen or that its not a huge advantage ,Expect every public school fan or parent to root against you even wjthout your hypocritical redneck wannabee keeping up with the jones dont have a clue about wrestling attitudes .

I was not at duals, but I have seen St. X several times this year.

Whatever impressions one has about St. X or private schools, their wrestlers have impressed me as a good, talented and humble group of kids. (Though most wrestlers seem like great kids).

Their coaches also have impressed me with the way they interact with their wrestlers.

No comment on the fans/parents.

Of course ,but therebis a difference between rowdy moms and dads yelling for their kids ,And Moms yelling thats a fn pin for christ sake in front of six yr olds like the x mom did in wv or a group of fans yelling at an obviously Injured kid to get up quit faking and yelling BS like at duals all Xfans and then those same types preaching their superiority on this site along with how a kid was not Hurt ,The kid had beaten and was beating his x opponent untill he was hurt thats a fact ,its not just one its obviously a number of them of course I understand their just to ignorant to understand the sport or that you do not yell at kids unless they are your own .

As for all the recruiting Get real those same parents are there watching their kids that they drive across numerous public school zones so that their kids can be on a team with other recruits ,I have no issues with it except the Dumb $@bs that act like it doeasnt happen or that its not a huge advantage ,Expect every public school fan or parent to root against you even wjthout your hypocritical redneck wannabee keeping up with the jones dont have a clue about wrestling attitudes .

 

Sounds like poor sportsmanship.  Sadly, kids sometimes act more mature than their parents.  Just looking at all the facts.

And I think we have to agree to disagree on the definition of "recruiting."  But I would certainly agree that there are advantages to attending a private school...never debated that fact or the fact that recruiting does take place.

 

And I do not think I exhibited a "hypocritical, redneck, wannabee, keeping up with the Jones, don't have a clue about wrestling attitude."  Merely asking some questions.  (Of course you may have meant that last comment about others you have met and their views...not really sure.)  

I get the feeling he feels that way about everybody

I think someone may still be upset about a finals match that happened two years ago....

 

Very ignorant to assume any kid that attends a private school comes from a "greener" background. Have quite a few friends and family members that have sacrificed everything they have so that their son/daughter could receive the best education in their minds. I also have quite a few friends and family members that went to public schools that have more money than majority of the kids that went to a private school. When you believe or fall for a stereotype it shows a lack of intelligence.

 

And because you are assuming that all kids that are good/talented that wrestle or particpate in a sport for a private school are recruited is probably one of the dumbest assumptions I've heard. While im not saying recruiting doesnt happen private or public, most of these kids come from a private gradeschool/middleschool or have always wanted to go there as a young sprout.

I think someone may still be upset about a finals match that happened two years ago....

 

Very ignorant of you to assume any kid that attends a private school comes from a "greener" background. Have quite a few friends and family members that have sacrificed everything they have so that their son/daughter could receive the best education in their minds. I also have quite a few friends and family members that went to public schools that have more money than majority of the kids that went to a private school. When you believe or fall for a stereotype is shows a lack of intelligence.

 

And because you are assuming that all kids that are good/talented that wrestle or particpate in a sport for a private school are recruited is probably one of the dumbest assumptions I've heard. While im not saying recruiting doesnt happen private or public, most of these kids come from a private gradeschool/middleschool or have always wanted to go there as a young sprout.

I think everything you have said here is very true. But I believe you may have got one of my posts mixed up with another poor sot.

I made a post on another thread called RECRUITING in which I stated I hate to be stereotypical. I myself grew up in a family of 5

both parents worked dad 2-3 jobs. sending all 5 to catholic schools (until High school) tuition, books, uniforms, the works. For having the love of God those Nuns were the meanist people I ever met wrestlers included. In conclusion PLEASE do not confuse me with mr. Myers.

No confusion

No confusion at all Mr Myers doesnt yell at injured kids from the stands act like private schools do not have an advantage getting kids from everywhere rather than one school district nor does he get his facts all misconstrued like deppershitt ,And dont worry no one would confuse either of you for me nor would they ever give two craps about what you say .And deepshitt what happened you tried to have a debate about wrestling but diacoveres you were just an old man that didnt know anything about wrestling.and by the way MY son went to private school ,The parents may have had egos but did not cuss and yell at injured kids and you had to at least live in the state to attend .you two finish your on line date now habanaban

I am with Crazyhorse regarding the advantage that private schools have in not just wrestling but other sports as well.  Having said that, it is a 2-way thing the private schools sometimes approach the athletes with discounted tuition and sometimes athletes simply want to go where the most talented team is.  Imagine if you would if all public schools were able to assemble a wrestling team I would say St. X or Trinity would not be very competitive in that dual....

 

Secondly, I am not exactly sure why so many on this forum find enjoyment it making things personal against Mr. Myers and his kids.  I have watched them both wrestle for years and they are very clean wrestlers.  Austin has far superior strength and skill that the kids he is facing and I have never seen him hurt or humiliate his opponent.  I have never spoken to Mr. Myers but I have only ever seen him cheer his son and team on in a respectful way.

 

Lastly, I am NOT a CC parent, my son wrestles for Oldham Co. and not at 220.

Thank you ,Thats the obvious point ,That private schools can simply let kids in from anywhere and as for recruiting you nailed it some times kids or parents sumply want tbeir kids at a private school for every advantage including sports and other times they are flat out recruited.

I have no issue with it although I have no issue with anyone from public schools saying it is not fair because it isnt fair at all .

I just cannot believe someone from a private school would act as if it isnt an advantage and not to mention how tbeir fans acted and bs they have spouted on this forum .

Surprised a lot of public school parents or personell have not went ape on all this but it is old news it comes up a few x a yr .

I am with Crazyhorse regarding the advantage that private schools have in not just wrestling but other sports as well.  Having said that, it is a 2-way thing the private schools sometimes approach the athletes with discounted tuition and sometimes athletes simply want to go where the most talented team is.  Imagine if you would if all public schools were able to assemble a wrestling team I would say St. X or Trinity would not be very competitive in that dual....

 

Secondly, I am not exactly sure why so many on this forum find enjoyment it making things personal against Mr. Myers and his kids.  I have watched them both wrestle for years and they are very clean wrestlers.  Austin has far superior strength and skill that the kids he is facing and I have never seen him hurt or humiliate his opponent.  I have never spoken to Mr. Myers but I have only ever seen him cheer his son and team on in a respectful way.

 

Lastly, I am NOT a CC parent, my son wrestles for Oldham Co. and not at 220.

Well I can only say why I enjoy rattling his cage so, as I cannot speak for others. He is almost always the first to make things personal, calling people ignorant about wrestling or making hidden vulgar $3#%77^ comments about someone if they have different views than he has. He reminds me of the grade school bully when he misspells my name to Deepshitt like I  will run away and cry somewhere. At least on the playground they had some imagination when they tried to hurt my poor little feelings. like Dr. Depper

or better yet Diper shitt! He should have left the bully tactics from grade school long ago but seems to have failed to mature in any substantial way. He is not Humble,polite, or thoughtful in any way. No instead he seems to relish being an arrogant, Boastful boor.

   So I hope you can forgive me when on occasion, I cannot help but to pull his short tight chain.

I am with Crazyhorse regarding the advantage that private schools have in not just wrestling but other sports as well.  Having said that, it is a 2-way thing the private schools sometimes approach the athletes with discounted tuition and sometimes athletes simply want to go where the most talented team is.  Imagine if you would if all public schools were able to assemble a wrestling team I would say St. X or Trinity would not be very competitive in that dual....

 

Secondly, I am not exactly sure why so many on this forum find enjoyment it making things personal against Mr. Myers and his kids.  I have watched them both wrestle for years and they are very clean wrestlers.  Austin has far superior strength and skill that the kids he is facing and I have never seen him hurt or humiliate his opponent.  I have never spoken to Mr. Myers but I have only ever seen him cheer his son and team on in a respectful way.

 

Lastly, I am NOT a CC parent, my son wrestles for Oldham Co. and not at 220.

 

While I never support name calling or personal attacks, it is simple, in some instances, to understand how it can take place.  We have posters on our site who like to "stir the pot."  Crazyhorse has even referred to himself as such.  When a post turns personal on the part of one, the other will gladly oblige...just part of it for some folks.  There are also posters who just want to talk wrestling, but when their views differ from those of Crazyhorse, it often spirals downward into a pile of name calling and personal attacks.  If you have read this thread, you see him comparing some of the Catholics at X to Jihadists.  How could that not turn personal for someone..especially if they were Catholic?  I think Crazyhorse knows what he is doing and what he will have returned in kind.  No blood, no foul.  Did you really not know the answer to that question?     

Hell yeah we recruit. We got skanky cheerleaders and blood doping experts on staff! All our kids are holdbacks, and we spike other teams food with Valium at duals. So what? I don't think any of are competing for a pin from the Pope or Sainthood. I've never heard a college coach ask if a team or school cheated. They just want to know your accomplishments and grades. End of story.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to head to my PO box to pick up our latest shipment of steroi.... errr.. I mean suplements.

Honestly I was like everyone else some catholics and some with kids in private schools a bit ticked at some x fans of course its not all of them but it was a few then some whacko comes on here and preaches and TELLS US how a kid was faking I say thats BS.

now as for this thread its all debatable and In a debate you have those who use what may have been or could be and those who use FACTS I personally like F A C T S they have lots of friends like T R U T H and in tbis instance on this forum W I N S ,someone who isnt going to comment TG made it personal by bringing up a loss of course hes a buffoon and got the yr wrong but anyway they chose not to debate without getting personal So they got _@_@_$$/&(2)3 a bunch od $&@/:-) head and @@# replies , foolishness begets foolishness .Anyway good luck to everyone at state and yeah I would say 2012 was one of the best or the best yr in ky wrestling you cant argue the facts of the kids success as a state team or as individuals ,those R FACTS not coulda woulda mighta we sweat 500 drops before dinner type myths.

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Hell yeah we recruit. We got skanky cheerleaders and blood doping experts on staff! All our kids are holdbacks, and we spike other teams food with Valium at duals. So what? I don't think any of are competing for a pin from the Pope or Sainthood. I've never heard a college coach ask if a team or school cheated. They just want to know your accomplishments and grades. End of story.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to head to my PO box to pick up our latest shipment of steroi.... errr.. I mean suplements.

We are now taking up collections for supplimental retirement packages for the refs.

Mr. Meyer

Mr. Meyer is an outstanding person. He is very polite but also very blunt with his information. He has only said nice things to me. I have only talked to him a few times but always nice and friendly. I happen to like him a lot and hope he stays with it when ATM leaves.

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Glad to hear Brad Krebs will be competing at Region 6 Championships.  Great news.