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Start naming them off????

Dakota jones from Central Hardin got DQ'd first rd for an illegal slam and was the 1 seed

According to track, Region 1, 132, Collins from UHA getting pinned 1st round by Ellison from Ft Campbell. Is that an upset? It appears to me to have been one.

Region 2, 126, Moses Williams not wrestling at all. Heard he just quit. That's a shame.

According to track, Region 1, 132, Collins from UHA getting pinned 1st round by Ellison from Ft Campbell. Is that an upset? It appears to me to have been one.

Region 2, 126, Moses Williams not wrestling at all. Heard he just quit. That's a shame.

I think it might be an error because otherwise half would've told me about it. I'd be very cross with half if he didn't tell me that Ellison won.

That's a shame about Moses, it happened to Heights this year, as a coach it's one of the last things you want to see. But in the end it's the kid's decision and we can't make it for them

Criswell from Wayne upset by Ball of Henry clay, Criswell the 1 seed

TracK is wrong.

Collins is in the finals

Central Hardin's Cole Overman got beat by Jonathan Little from North Hardin.

Region 4 don't recall any upsets only hard fought matches.

Is it considered an upset if ATM didn't pin his opponent in the finals? Lol

Raynel Brown gets beat in overtime

Raynel Brown gets beat in overtime

Some good upsets in Region 1, I'll do a write up including a critique of my predictions tomorrow

Criswell from Wayne upset by Ball of Henry clay, Criswell the 1 seed

I don't think Criswell should have been the 1 seed.  Never thought that was right, and in hindsight in a tough 145 moving up from 138 clearly didn't pan out as he finished 6th

Is it considered an upset if ATM didn't pin his opponent in the finals? Lol

Heck he teched him in the first period that's more dominant then a pin.

Heck he teched him in the first period that's more dominant then a pin.

Didn't he go all 3 periods with him or am I missing something?

Heck he teched him in the first period that's more dominant then a pin.

I'm as big a fan of ATI but the tech took place in the 3rd. Very impressed with the Boone Co kid.

*ATM

I wasn't there had to leave. Guess I got some bad info. I was wrong yet again.

I was really impressed with the Boone Co kid. Very strong and athletic. Watch for him at state. Kids a stud.

The tech took place with like 2 secs left.

Yea Iv seen the boone kid twice. I'm saying he makes the finals. Him and Meyers in state finals

You make it that long with Austin you've done good

How about the 8th grader from WV at 138 Id say he upset some kids!!!!!

Mason is a freshman.

I'm sorry he's 132. Damn I've struggled with that all year lol. Mason is at 132. Didn't get a chance to see 138 from WV.

Mason is at 132 I'm talking Brayden

Very proud of Brayden he is a great kid and works hard

I'm as big a fan of ATI but the tech took place in the 3rd. Very impressed with the Boone Co kid.

*ATM

Very late in the 3rd.  I think Boone Co was <10 sec away from taking it all the way...I'm also very impressed!

Mulachy (8th Grader from WV) did upset Davis to get to the 3rd/4th round but Davis didn't have his best match plus he had a fractured wrist. Without the fracture the match would have been a lot different.

Also the upset with Chaffee and Hensley beating Holden at 132?

Mulachy (8th Grader from WV) did upset Davis to get to the 3rd/4th round but Davis didn't have his best match plus he had a fractured wrist. Without the fracture the match would have been a lot different.

Didn't Davis forfeit to Wiley in the semi's to have a much better result in the wrestlebacks? 

Didn't Davis forfeit to Wiley in the semi's to have a much better result in the wrestlebacks?

no he forfeit to Wiley because wiley is known for purposely trying to injure other wrestlers and Davis having the fractured wrist wouldnt be good for him. If Davis was healthy, he would have wrestled Wiley.

That's terrible that anyone wrestler would be known for that.  That being said, there is a wrestler in region 7 known for the same thing.  Also unfortunately there is starting to become a team known for those types of shenanigans in general, which I hate to see.  If it's more than one wrestler in the same program I think you need to look at what's going on in that room.

Mulachy (8th Grader from WV) did upset Davis to get to the 3rd/4th round but Davis didn't have his best match plus he had a fractured wrist. Without the fracture the match would have been a lot different.

So, are you saying that Davis would have beaten Mulcahy if it wasn't for his fractured wrist? 

That's terrible that anyone wrestler would be known for that.  That being said, there is a wrestler in region 7 known for the same thing.  Also unfortunately there is starting to become a team known for those types of shenanigans in general, which I hate to see.  If it's more than one wrestler in the same program I think you need to look at what's going on in that room.

I totally agree

So, are you saying that Davis would have beaten Mulcahy if it wasn't for his fractured wrist?

To be honest with you yes I do. Davis having the fractured wrist made it hard to grip for him and he couldn't get any tight waist. I also believe that he wasn't wrestling to his potential, his cardio just pooped. I think he could have beaten him with a fractured wrist if he wrestled like he did the first day beating Barrie 12-3 and Holt 10-3. I hope they get a rematch next year at some point because I think that DavIs will beat him easily when he's healthy.

To be honest with you yes I do. Davis having the fractured wrist made it hard to grip for him and he couldn't get any tight waist. I also believe that he wasn't wrestling to his potential, his cardio just pooped. I think he could have beaten him with a fractured wrist if he wrestled like he did the first day beating Barrie 12-3 and Holt 10-3. I hope they get a rematch next year at some point because I think that DavIs will beat him easily when he's healthy.

You just made me laugh.  He lost to Mulcahy because of a tight waist and not being in shape?  You think he will beat him easily if he can get a "tight waist"?  You realize he's a middle schooler that only wrestles for 4.5 min matches and Davis wrestled 6 min matches all season.  Cardio?  That's funny.  Sounds like you're making excuses for Davis...to be honest. 

no he forfeit to Wiley because wiley is known for purposely trying to injure other wrestlers and Davis having the fractured wrist wouldnt be good for him. If Davis was healthy, he would have wrestled Wiley.

Its not like your from cooper or anything. Lol

You just made me laugh.  He lost to Mulcahy because of a tight waist and not being in shape?  You think he will beat him easily if he can get a "tight waist"?  You realize he's a middle schooler that only wrestles for 4.5 min matches and Davis wrestled 6 min matches all season.  Cardio?  That's funny.  Sounds like you're making excuses for Davis...to be honest.

you read what I said wrong bud. I said davis couldn't connect a tight waste cause of his fracture and he couldnt get a cratle either because of his fracture. Also DAVIS has only been wrestling for 3 years and being able to get 5th at regionals with a fractured hand is impressive. He didn't have a good match neither plus the kid was targeting his fracture. And it wasn't a matter of cardio being the problem as much as his energy level. I would bet money if they face next year when davis is healthy he will tech or pin him easily.

Its not like your from cooper or anything. Lol

lol Im not from cooper I just like to watch wrestling.

So a wrestler with a fractured wrist is not going to affect his wrestling? So if that is the case why did the WV coach keep telling Mulachy to go for that wrist? You most not understand how important a wrestler's grip is to them. You may want to learn more about wrestling then.

Wow sour grapes! Cmon man must we stoop so low?

To be honest with you yes I do. Davis having the fractured wrist made it hard to grip for him and he couldn't get any tight waist. I also believe that he wasn't wrestling to his potential, his cardio just pooped. I think he could have beaten him with a fractured wrist if he wrestled like he did the first day beating Barrie 12-3 and Holt 10-3. I hope they get a rematch next year at some point because I think that DavIs will beat him easily when he's healthy.

Those wrestlers you mention aren't on the same level as Mulcahy.  This year was probably Davis's best chance to beat him.

Those wrestlers you mention aren't on the same level as Mulcahy.  This year was probably Davis's best chance to beat him.

for example to show you how davis can beat Mulachy. Mulachy vs Allen and won 4-2 and davis vs allen and won 16-8 by taking him down at will when davis was healthy, plus at that point davis weighed 131. So I strongly believe davis could beat mulachy. He only has been wrestling since freshman year and hung with mulachy with a 7-3 match with a fractured wrist. So overall I think davis is a lot better of a wrestler.

you read what I said wrong bud. I said davis couldn't connect a tight waste cause of his fracture and he couldnt get a cratle either because of his fracture. Also DAVIS has only been wrestling for 3 years and being able to get 5th at regionals with a fractured hand is impressive. He didn't have a good match neither plus the kid was targeting his fracture. And it wasn't a matter of cardio being the problem as much as his energy level. I would bet money if they face next year when davis is healthy he will tech or pin him easily.

lol Im not from cooper I just like to watch wrestling.

 

Brayden spent the entire year in the middle school room this year.  He made it to a handful of high school practices.  I do know this.  Brayden will be in a freshman next year and will be rolling around with Roth, Moore, Mcmillian, Peace, and Smith this summer and next season.  I assure you that coach Roth and coach Moore will have him ready for next year.  I don't want to make any predictions but I would have to guess that Davis will not "tech or pin him easily".  

 

One thing about our high school schedule is that most of our kids will have double digit losses due to the brutal schedule that we wrestle.

It's all practice until post season.

 

Hopefully Davis recovers and has a great season next year.  I just have a hard time with all the bashing on Brayden.  He is a great kid.

Brayden spent the entire year in the middle school room this year.  He made it to a handful of high school practices.  I do know this.  Brayden will be in a freshman next year and will be rolling around with Roth, Moore, Mcmillian, Peace, and Smith this summer and next season.  I assure you that coach Roth and coach Moore will have him ready for next year.  I don't want to make any predictions but I would have to guess that Davis will not "tech or pin him easily".  

 

One thing about our high school schedule is that most of our kids will have double digit losses due to the brutal schedule that we wrestle.

It's all practice until post season.

 

Hopefully Davis recovers and has a great season next year.  I just have a hard time with all the bashing on Brayden.  He is a great kid.

im not bashing on mulachy, he is a good wrestler. I just said that davis could have beat him while he was healthy and I strongly think he could. As well as saying mulachy is on a different level than Barrie and holt. He only beat Allen 4-2 and Allen only beat Barrie like 7-6 and holt beats Allen. That's all I have to say. Mulachy is a great wrestler being an 8th grader doing what he did but I simply have my opinion.

for example to show you how davis can beat Mulachy. Mulachy vs Allen and won 4-2 and davis vs allen and won 16-8 by taking him down at will when davis was healthy, plus at that point davis weighed 131. So I strongly believe davis could beat mulachy. He only has been wrestling since freshman year and hung with mulachy with a 7-3 match with a fractured wrist. So overall I think davis is a lot better of a wrestler.

I'm not saying Davis is terrible.  Mulcahy is a still maturing 8th grader that has a solid track record wrestling in national level events, and has a middle school state championship and runner up finish under his belt.  As was mentioned he's moving into a competitive high school practice room and will only get better.  He has a very high upside, and will likely be a high school state placer in the near future (although not likely this year).  And lets stop mentioning how long guys have been wrestling.....it's irrelevant.  You don't get bonus points for having less experience and guys can get better and compete for regional and state titles pretty quickly.  For example, Tony Ashford from Scott last year became a regional champ with only 3 years of wrestling and very little off season work.  

Tony Ashford is a freak of nature. He is probably one of the most athletic kids I've ever seen. And Davis had his first year of actually wrestling regionals his freshman year he had a concussion and his sophmore year he got beat out of his spot by Kyle Steiner.this year he had to wrestle with a fractured arm and got 5th for only 3 years of experience. And experience is relevant, how many kids have been wresting for only 3 years and turn out to be a beast (other than Ashford he is a freak lol)? I guess we will see if they ever wrestle again and than compare, only way and hopefully they are both Healhy if they do.o

I am with Dutch on his comments.  

 

I think Walton's wrestlers are very technical and hand fight better than any of the schools I witnessed at the Region 6 tournament.  I really don't think anyone intentionally would go after a perceived injury.  In this case, a wrist, or hand for that matter, is the very first point of contact most wrestlers attack for position and set-up.  It is instinct for these wrestlers.  Let me also say this...I know I would like to have my son have the ability to drill with the crew he mentioned on a daily basis. Finally, injuries are unfortunate.  I admire Davis' courage to compete accordingly.  This speaks to his compassion for the sport and the loyalty he has to his teammates.  However, Mulcahy beat him and deserves the glory associated with the win.  End of story.  

Since you guys kept bringing Allen into the picture.  Allen pinned Davis at Central after he was beating Davis by about 6, then lost to him at the jaguar 18-6.  Yes he beat Berrie 7-6 twice this year.  

 

The reason I bring this up is because wrestlers with different styles cause some wrestlers problems and they don't win by a big margin. 

 

So you can't measure one wrestler by how he wrestled against another wrestler.  Only if he won or lost. 

So a wrestler with a fractured wrist is not going to affect his wrestling? So if that is the case why did the WV coach keep telling Mulachy to go for that wrist? You most not understand how important a wrestler's grip is to them. You may want to learn more about wrestling then.

You're so very right.  I have a lot to learn about wrestling. 

you read what I said wrong bud. I said davis couldn't connect a tight waste cause of his fracture and he couldnt get a cratle either because of his fracture. Also DAVIS has only been wrestling for 3 years and being able to get 5th at regionals with a fractured hand is impressive. He didn't have a good match neither plus the kid was targeting his fracture. And it wasn't a matter of cardio being the problem as much as his energy level. I would bet money if they face next year when davis is healthy he will tech or pin him easily.

lol Im not from cooper I just like to watch wrestling.

What's a tight waste or a cratle?  Sorry, had to do it.  ;)  Not his cardio, but his energy level....don't they go together? C'mon man! 

 

I'll take you're bet that Davis will pin or tech Mulcahy easily next year.  PM me and we can set the over and under on time as well.  Let's make it double or nothing if the reverse happens. 

 

I'll give it to Davis wrestling injured.  That's tough and I like the kid.  I'm sure he doesn't need you to put a target on his back either. 

Coming from a coach of 25 yrs plus and just an observer of the Davis vs Mulcahy matchup. To accuse another coach of targeting a kids injury is absurd! I' m pretty sure of the 7 points scored by Mulcahy one was a double leg takedown, the other two were slideby duck unders and one escape. Both duck unders ,right hand on neck left hand on Davis right wrist. And the same position for the double leg. Believe Davis has a injured left wrist . Don't consider that attacking a kids injury. As for how Davis could've beaten This scrawny little eight grader if he was healthy is like saying Mulcahy could have beaten Spahr if he could've had more time to train and was able to bench 300 lbs. I give credit where credit is due. Walton coaches are doing an incredible job of teaching the art of wrestling! Not to muscle an opponent but to actually out wrestle them. Every opponent is different therefore you must find their weakness. Mulcahy was told to wrestle the legs and stay away from these guys upper body strength. He did that and scored the necessary points to win. You win in the state finals 1-0 or you win by a pin. You are still State Champion! Good luck to all region 6 qualifiers this weekend.

Coming from a coach of 25 yrs plus and just an observer of the Davis vs Mulcahy matchup. To accuse another coach of targeting a kids injury is absurd! I' m pretty sure of the 7 points scored by Mulcahy one was a double leg takedown, the other two were slideby duck unders and one escape. Both duck unders ,right hand on neck left hand on Davis right wrist. And the same position for the double leg. Believe Davis has a injured left wrist . Don't consider that attacking a kids injury. As for how Davis could've beaten This scrawny little eight grader if he was healthy is like saying Mulcahy could have beaten Spahr if he could've had more time to train and was able to bench 300 lbs. I give credit where credit is due. Walton coaches are doing an incredible job of teaching the art of wrestling! Not to muscle an opponent but to actually out wrestle them. Every opponent is different therefore you must find their weakness. Mulcahy was told to wrestle the legs and stay away from these guys upper body strength. He did that and scored the necessary points to win. You win in the state finals 1-0 or you win by a pin. You are still State Champion! Good luck to all region 6 qualifiers this weekend.

Well said and great synopsis of the match, but you can't talk Mr. Anon out of his bet now.  :blink::D

Coming from a coach of 25 yrs plus and just an observer of the Davis vs Mulcahy matchup. To accuse another coach of targeting a kids injury is absurd! I' m pretty sure of the 7 points scored by Mulcahy one was a double leg takedown, the other two were slideby duck unders and one escape. Both duck unders ,right hand on neck left hand on Davis right wrist. And the same position for the double leg. Believe Davis has a injured left wrist . Don't consider that attacking a kids injury. As for how Davis could've beaten This scrawny little eight grader if he was healthy is like saying Mulcahy could have beaten Spahr if he could've had more time to train and was able to bench 300 lbs. I give credit where credit is due. Walton coaches are doing an incredible job of teaching the art of wrestling! Not to muscle an opponent but to actually out wrestle them. Every opponent is different therefore you must find their weakness. Mulcahy was told to wrestle the legs and stay away from these guys upper body strength. He did that and scored the necessary points to win. You win in the state finals 1-0 or you win by a pin. You are still State Champion! Good luck to all region 6 qualifiers this weekend.

No matter what either of us say we will have our own opinions, we will just have to wait and see if they wrestle again.

Cradle,

Obviously you really are lacking in wrestling knowledge!! Go sit by the coaches of every school and you wil hear 99% of them screaming chop him down , grab a wrist , look for the half, and the far wrist. That's how wrestling goes. They do not grab ear lobes and hair to turn the opponent. Maybe they should of told him to let him up give him some sympathy points. Get him an ice cream! C' mon and just stop wasting your breathe making up excuses for a loss. All wrestlers lose but it's what they learn from the loss that makes them a better wrestler not a sore loser!

Mr anon,

Be very careful what you wish for? Might consider waiting to see what weight this kid is at next year and then choose a different one. If you want your kid to win. I'm with Trithis on this one.

I just wish both these good kids to have great wrestling careers and to grow up to be respected for their accomplishments and great sportsmanship they portrayed while in this sport. Don't steer them in the wrong direction!! These are our future coaches of the sport we so love to watch!!! God bless them and keep them safe.

Looking for a very interesting quarters match with Ashford/Blanton.  Wouldn't be surprised at all if Blanton wins there.  Ashford very athletic & quick vs. Blanton experienced, mat savy, bulldog.  Winner I predict meets Heidorf in finals.  145 very top heavy with Heidorf, Andreoni, Bailey, Dorne.  It will be interesting how this weight class shakes out.

Blanton just hasn't been making mistakes this year. He's my pick at 145.

Blanton just hasn't been making mistakes this year. He's my pick at 145.

Have you seen Ashford this year??  Aside from dropping down to wrestle Vasquez (his only loss), Ashford hasn't had a close match all year.  He hasn't been making mistakes either, and is a mix of strength and athleticism, and has just had an ubelievable feel on the mat.  I'm not saying Blanton (or Heirdof) can't win....he is very, very good, and as a Soph will be in the mix for the next two years.  But Ashford is going to be a very difficult out, and is probably the favorite on that side of the bracket.  Blanton-Ashford in the quarters should be a fun one.

I know Ashford very well. Don't be too enamored with records. Don't think Scott had the toughest schedule. I love his athletic ability. I could see him in the finals but he ain't beating Heidorf and his experience. JMO. Remember last year. Everyone jumped on the bandwagon when he pulled the upset at regions and it then went to state and didn't do as well as people thought. I think he's improved. We will see.

I wasn't trying to take anything away from Ashford at all. He's a great kid and a great wrestler. I was only giving my pick. I think whoever wins the Blanton/Ashford match wins 145.

I know Ashford very well. Don't be too enamored with records. Don't think Scott had the toughest schedule. I love his athletic ability. I could see him in the finals but he ain't beating Heidorf and his experience. JMO. Remember last year. Everyone jumped on the bandwagon when he pulled the upset at regions and it then went to state and didn't do as well as people thought. I think he's improved. We will see.

Well, Ashford has beaten Dorne (2x), Bailey, and Phelps (3 of the top 7) and a state placer from Tennessee.  Had a chance to wrestle Heirdorf at the Rumble but Heirdorf was hurt ( I think).   So he has wrestled and beaten some studs.  And yes, last year he had a disappointing State Tourney.  He is a different wrestler this year.  I agree it won't be easy, but I think he is certainly in the mix.  145 comes down to Heirdorf, Ashford, Andreoni or Blanton.

Not technical enough to win it all. Jmo

Cradle,

Obviously you really are lacking in wrestling knowledge!! Go sit by the coaches of every school and you wil hear 99% of them screaming chop him down , grab a wrist , look for the half, and the far wrist. That's how wrestling goes. They do not grab ear lobes and hair to turn the opponent. Maybe they should of told him to let him up give him some sympathy points. Get him an ice cream! C' mon and just stop wasting your breathe making up excuses for a loss. All wrestlers lose but it's what they learn from the loss that makes them a better wrestler not a sore loser!

so having a fractured wrist doesn't matter? Andthey told the kid to focusit before the match not making excuses but I think you will all be suprised when you see Davis when he is healthy next year and trust me he won't move a weight class to avoid mulachy but again he won and we will have to see next time they wrestle

Bad weather will potentially be the biggest upset at date this year. It's unfortunate that so many counties are facing massive amounts of snow. This will undoubtedly hinder practices all week and could even prevent some schools from traveling. I'm crossing my fingers that this doesn't end up being true. These kids deserve the opportunity to showcase their hard work.

I second that sentiment.  Hopefully all will be able to compete. 

 

However those alternates better stay on the ready.  Since KHSAA now has the roll down method of filling every wt. class.  Kids from other regions may fill some spots. 

so having a fractured wrist doesn't matter? Andthey told the kid to focusit before the match not making excuses but I think you will all be suprised when you see Davis when he is healthy next year and trust me he won't move a weight class to avoid mulachy but again he won and we will have to see next time they wrestle

So are you saying the WV staff sent Mulcahy out there with a primary strategy of attacking the bad hand? I personally coached Braden all weekend and was in the chair during the match in question. I can tell you this. I didn't talk to him about any injury before, during, or after that match.

So are you saying the WV staff sent Mulcahy out there with a primary strategy of attacking the bad hand? I personally coached Braden all weekend and was in the chair during the match in question. I can tell you this. I didn't talk to him about any injury before, during, or after that match.

Really huh? So I guess braden hand fought with Davis and seemed like he only grabbed his taped up hand I actually might havefootage of the match and I will look, and finally it's just opinions not saying WV did focus it just looked like it. I really hope these two wrestle again to prove a point and that's all I'm saying done with this topic came to talk about upsets not just one single match

I'm not sure I understand the problem if he did target the hand.  Wrestling is about finding your opponents weakness and taking advantage of it.  If  you know he is heavy footed on his right foot you attack the right foot.  If you worked the neck for 2 periods with a double grapevine half and its weak you attack the neck with more halves.   

 

Bottom line who won, and did they do it within the rules.  

Goo right

So a wrestler with a fractured wrist is not going to affect his wrestling? So if that is the case why did the WV coach keep telling Mulachy to go for that wrist? You most not understand how important a wrestler's grip is to them. You may want to learn more about wrestling then.

I know for a fact the John Roth or Jason Moore would not tell there kid to purposely grab and try to hurt a kid. That's not why they're in the sport. Wrist control is a big thing in wrestling. He was probably yelling get hand control!! Cradle you have to be from cooper.

Maybe Davis put his own target on his hand with the tape and also saying how he was going to show an 8th grade middle school champ what wrestling is

Again I'm done talking about the topic we all have opinions and you aren't gonna change mine this is for upsets not Davis vs mulachy

I think that both of these young men wrestled their butts off at regions and to say one was upset by the other is a knock at both young men.  The match was decided and they moved on why can't two or three grown men move on?


I personally think the biggest upset out of region 6 was a returning state placer and 8th ranked wrestler not even making the state tourney.  Holden from CC took a lose from Chaffee (ryle) and Hensley (scott) and is now the alternate.  Region 6 is tough as nails.

That was a huge upset saw both matches and was very suprised!

That was a huge upset saw both matches and was very suprised!

Chafee and Hensley are both very good....Hensley was ranked 6th in the state (ahead of Holden) and had already beaten Holden this year, so I wouldn't have necessarily called that an upset.  132 was super tough with 5 excellent wrestlers.....someone was going to get bumped, and whoever it was, could have done well at state. 120, 126, 113 were some other weight classes in that region where 1 or even two very good wrestlers were bumped out.

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