Seeding is out for the 2015 Walsh Ironman. Looks like Trinity has 3 seeded wrestlers. Tyler Frankrone is seeded 6th, Hudson Heidorf is seeded 10th, and Keegan Duncan is seeded 11th. Good luck guys.
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Walsh Ironman
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Really cool all three KY boys going got seeds. Hopefully they can exceed them a bit and hit the podium. Good luck!
List of teams attending this year. F is for full team and the numbers are how many wrestlers from each school Just a few hammers attending.
Absolute hammers. David Carr is ranked 4h in the country and he is the 3 seed at this tournament!!
Tourney starts at 1, Flo will be streaming if you have Flo Pro. 1st Round- Keegan Duncan Trinity vs. Josh Solomon St. John Bosco; Hudson Heidorf Trinity vs. Jake Little Massilon Perry; Tyler Frankrone Trinity vs. Kole Aubeil Claymont
Tyler looks to have a good draw to make the QTRS where he would most likely face Wyatt Koelling from Davis Utah. Koelling is ranked 16th at 195 per flow. Then in the semi's Tyler could/should see Jack Harris Urbana Oh, or Kevin Snyder Good Counsel. We tried getting the Harris match up for the preview, but it didn't work out. Tyler has a good shot at the finals if he wrestles up to his ability. Darmstadt from Ohio is #1 seed on the other side of the bracket, tough kid.
For Keegan I don't know anything about the St. John Bosco kid, but their kids are usually tough (Pico, Valencia brothers). 2nd round would be winner of Mason Oh and Wyoming Seminary (both tough schools). Tough side of the bracket here, with Jaden Mattox, Hunter Bray, Dylan Duncan. Definitely a tough weight class all around
Hudson has a win able 1st match, 2nd match would be against the 7 seed from Marmion Academy IL; winner of that would get 2nd seed Wyatt Sheets from Stillwater OK (ranked 13th) in the QTRS.
I will be able to watch the first round hopefully so I will post what updates I see before I head to the JV Rumble today. Trackwrestling should have results up as well after each match/round
Quick fix, Wyatt Sheets is from Stillwell not Stillwater. But that's a minor detail. Easy mistake to make considering he is the son of Cowboy great Mike Sheets
HA! quick typo.... was trying to put out matches and potentials, yet get Flo Pro going not to miss anything
Frankrone looked phenomenal...nasty crotch lift in the 2nd period. Sporting a pretty sick ETC singlet by the way...
I predict Mattox in the finals.
Great job! ^^^^Are wrestlers allowed to wear "club team" singlets during a regular season tournament?
GARY TRAUB FROM SYCAMORE BEAT THE UTAH KID AT 195 AS I SUSPECTED HE IS TOUGH AND TRAINS HARD HARRIS IS ANOTHER MATTER THEY SHOULD HAVE A GOOD MATCH TO SEE WHO FACES TYLER IN THE SEMIS .
Looks like Tyler Frankrone is the only KY wrestler to make the semi finals. Congrats Tyler.
David Carr knocks off the #3 and #1 ranked guys in country to win the Walsh Ironman title. Congrats to David and the Carr family.
On Sat Dec 12 2015 17:10:28 GMT-0500, tja said:Frankrone loses a close match 4-3
Arizona St. Coach walked up to us after Tyler's match and said that final takedown tyler made would've been scored 2 in college to give him the win.
Let me go on the record and say, The Walsh Ironman is easily one of the top 5 toughest High School Tournaments in the nation. .
Nothing but monsters wrestling at that tournament. .
Congrats to all for competing on one of the highest levels of high school wrestling. Did Tyler end up taking 3rd?
I would say Folk style it's probably the fourth toughest behind NHSCA Flo and super 32 .With Fargo being the #1 easily and Fila right behind Fargo or somewhere in the mix .You could break it down with some doing better and others worse in each tournament but numbers and rankings tell the story much better than anyone's opinions .
SAW once again why Fargo and freestyle GRECO is so important as time after time I saw competitors in those styles doing well this weekend .
Iron man is totally lopsided with Ohio kids .Super 32 seems lopsided with east coast PA kids .Flow although in PA had a nice mix with maybe an east coast pa majority Fargo has kids from all over usually an ill Midwest type majority but with classes and caliber that far exceeds an Iron man field that had no class exceeding 36 and most at 32 or under and most classes predominantly try Ohio kids
East coast guys would argue for Beast of the East and Some could say Powerade as well with Powerade being up there with it in my opinion .Midwest guys would say Cheese head .
If you looked at numbers of competitors as well as number of ranked kids NHSCAs would far exceed Iron Man as for Flo not the numbers as NHSCA but for flair alone it's one of a kind best facilities best coverage best awards and strives to be the best and bring the best to put on a show like no other for the fans of the sport and their own Glory of course .
TYLER looked as if he could have won the match and tournament easily had he pushed the pace earlier and the whole match leaving a judgment call up to the ref against an Ohio champ in an Ohio tournament while waiting to the last seconds to show how dominant you could be was a mistake .Wish we could have seen him wrestle out the rest of the tournament .Reminded me of Cox and Heflin from Ohio State 2 years ago at nationals with Heflin attempting to score late and just missing it .I think everyone is waiting to see when Tyler just comes out and attacks the whole match because we all know it will be incredible .
Fargo and Fila are probably the toughest tourneys, agreed, but they are also different styles, so that's comparing apples and oranges. For Folkstyle I would think NHSCA, Flo, Super 32 and Ironman are all in the same category. Each person could go through each weight class collectively and point out why each tournament is better than the other, with everyone having a solid case on each. I do agree also Ironman is heavy Ohio kids, rightfully so, it's an Ohio in season tourney, where the others are not. In season being the key word. At that point you have schools from other states that will not allow other kids to compete. KY for example, you have to get school board permission prior to acceptance. This can make it difficult for some to attend in other states, as well as Ky kids, or IN kids, or whichever state. If the board doesn't approve, you can't go. This is the difference between NHSCA, Flo, and 32. Those being out of season tourneys it's up to the parents to get them there. I would think NHSCA and 32 have better competition over all (definitely a more east coast tournament also) but for in season tournaments, I would think Ironman has to be the #1, or at least top 2. Powerade and Beast have some good teams and kids no question, but Ironman at least in my opinion would seem like the top tourney, for in season. Over all folkstyle I agree, not the top dog, in season, hard to argue other wise.
To add to Mr. Frankrone's comments, Tyler wrestled great, I watched that match, could have been 2 for sure. The good thing for this weekend's ironman compared to the past (since 2011 weight changes), I think it was the toughest competition to date yet for the 195lb weight class. Typically you get a watered down upper weight class group from 195-HWY due to football. This year's 195lb class was tough, and Tyler represented very well.
I wouldn't argue Iron man being the best in season on most occasions .
BUT I would put NHSCA far ahead of it in talent and numbers .With 4 classes some with more competitors ranked and not in each weight class in each age division than in some classes at Iron man with all age classes combined it doesn't really compare .I saw some classes in just the SR division at NHSCA with more numbers and more ranked kids than Iron Man had and that's without the other 3 grade levels .Flo and Super 32 bigger venues more numbers and a wider range of kids from different states and while FLO does not have the numbers of NHSCA it is a first class event nothing else like it in the sport .
As far as in season or out of season goes that is true but as has been proven the Iron Man is not open to everyone even those whose states allow it .
Having been to them all NHSCA has the bigger event more and better talent and History .Flo is on a different level event wise and has super talent .Iron Man has a High School super pumped up feel in a close quarters facility .Super 32 has a ton of talent ran by a bunch of crooks pretty much the same as Iron Man
16 hours ago, Mike_Frankrone said:Let me go on the record and say, The Walsh Ironman is easily one of the top 5 toughest High School Tournaments in the nation. .
Nothing but monsters wrestling at that tournament. .
100% agree. I have been to them all. Had two boys wrestle. We hit Beast, IM, Powerade, NHSCA,....I traveled w/ their school to Clash. You name it (have not hit Flo yet). For in season my money is on IM. Hard to compare to the out of season events. Many top guys don't go. Sure, the sheer #s can be greater, but oftentimes not nearly as deep. Hard to compare GR/FS with Folk. Most all guys practice GR/FS for a few weeks and thats it. For example, no Graham wrestlers hit these events. How many successful Fargo wrestlers have left IM emptyhanded? Happens every year.
IM weighs heavily in crowning a team national championship as it should.
The beauty here is that we have so many great events. They all shine in their own way. With all that said, find a way to go to Clash. Best team tournament. Very well run.
Forgot to give a shout to the KY boys that entered IM. I had not looked at entrants prior to heading over. KY has made some noise here the past few yrs. It has not gone un-noticed. Keep it up.
2 hours ago, crazyotto said:100% agree. I have been to them all. Had two boys wrestle. We hit Beast, IM, Powerade, NHSCA,....I traveled w/ their school to Clash. You name it (have not hit Flo yet). For in season my money is on IM. Hard to compare to the out of season events. Many top guys don't go. Sure, the sheer #s can be greater, but oftentimes not nearly as deep. Hard to compare GR/FS with Folk. Most all guys practice GR/FS for a few weeks and thats it. For example, no Graham wrestlers hit these events. How many successful Fargo wrestlers have left IM emptyhanded? Happens every year.
IM weighs heavily in crowning a team national championship as it should.
The beauty here is that we have so many great events. They all shine in their own way. With all that said, find a way to go to Clash. Best team tournament. Very well run.
The same can be said Both ways .I saw cadet AAs from Fargo in finals this year at Iron man and numerous Fargo AAs placed higher at iron man than Fargo like Shults a Fargo cadet at finals of 220 and Mansur Malick a Fargo 220 placed high at hvy.
NO WHERE NEAR AS MANY NATIONALLY RANKED GUYS AT IRON COMPARED TO FARGO AND THE GRAHAM GUYS DO NOT GO BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PROFICIENT AT THOSE STYLES ,That's why Bo Jordan got demolished in his first attempts at those styles in college .And Cortez wrestled for Graham and did Fargo but he was the exception along with Taylor.Borh 220 finalists s at Iron man wrestled Fargo and neither won not even in cadet . Soooooo Fargo is tougher if you are comparing placings .
TAKE A 4X STATE CHAMP AND IRON MAN GUY LIKE JOHNNY Dijulius 4 tries at Fargo 0 placings in any style .
Anyone who thinks iron man is as tough as Fargo or NHSCA knows very little about the sport or its athletes and goes off of heresay and hype .In season. It is probably the toughest but seeing guys like Carr and Marinelli lose at super 32 and top guys fall at Flo Iron Man is not tougher than those two either .
It would be easy to compare the # of ranked guys in each but of course that's to simple
JORDAN explained to me that his guys would get hammered in Fargo they specialize in Folk style and do not want to deviate far from that path .
Take each state allow the top two guys in each weight then have a few regions around the Country that allow the top three and that's what you get at Fargo with a few petitioners thrown in.
Iron man has a lot of top teams but with a lot of lower level wrestlers many of which could NEVER even make it to Fargo or would not be allowed in SR nationals at NHSCAS AS THERE IS CRITERIA it's not a minefield like Fargo usually although now and again you get a loaded class .I have seen time after time Iron Man champs get smoked at Fargo .Evan Silver ,Dijulius and others .It works both ways .Except a lot of top High School kids straight up are scared of Freestyle Greco
And I have been to all of them and had my son's in them As an incoming freshman One placed fifth as a first yr cadet in Fargo then fourth as a fresh in Iron man a few months later in a class that was tougher than any I have ever seen there Evan silver .Cisneros .Guilibon.Keener .Joey Dance .Stephen Myers and more .Silver won .then DNP at Fargo soon winning arguably the toughest class imaginable at Iron man then getting shut out at Fargo just like Johnny D.Nothing compares to Fargo .
AND AT NHSCAS you see a Sr class in one weight that features Jden Cox vs HAINES .AND A SOPHOMORE CLASS WITH AN Austin vs a Chaconis and that's not counting the rest and the other two age groups get real Iron Man isn't half as loaded as NHSCAS .
THE SR CLASS AT NHSCAS ALONE IS BETTER THAN IRON MAN .
If you were talking about David Carr, he didn't lose at Super 32. Won that and Ironman. But I get what your saying.
27 minutes ago, Captain America said:JORDAN explained to me that his guys would get hammered in Fargo they specialize in Folk style and do not want to deviate far from that path .
Take each state allow the top two guys in each weight then have a few regions around the Country that allow the top three and that's what you get at Fargo with a few petitioners thrown in.
Iron man has a lot of top teams but with a lot of lower level wrestlers many of which could NEVER even make it to Fargo or would not be allowed in SR nationals at NHSCAS AS THERE IS CRITERIA it's not a minefield like Fargo usually although now and again you get a loaded class .I have seen time after time Iron Man champs get smoked at Fargo .Evan Silver ,Dijulius and others .It works both ways .Except a lot of top High School kids straight up are scared of Freestyle Greco
And I have been to all of them and had my son's in them As an incoming freshman One placed fifth as a first yr cadet in Fargo then fourth as a fresh in Iron man a few months later in a class that was tougher than any I have ever seen there Evan silver .Cisneros .Guilibon.Keener .Joey Dance .Stephen Myers and more .Silver won .then DNP at Fargo soon winning arguably the toughest class imaginable at Iron man then getting shut out at Fargo just like Johnny D.Nothing compares to Fargo .
We get it already. We all have opinions. State it once and move on. Criteria at these events have dropped off as interest has waned. My one boy was as passionate as it gets, but lacked skill. He made the Fargo team one year due to lack of interest from the guys that placed ahead of him at FS State. IMO, GR/FS is very important in the development of the wrestler. Too many OH guys forego the short season to either focus on Folk or football. I think they are missing out. Some guys only go one style. Smaller guys like FS, big boys like GR. You can learn from all styles and add to your arsenal.
Back to Ironman. Had a great time as always. Well run tournament as always. Something Beast could learn from. Nice to see familiar faces (Preusse, Fickel, Dies, etc) and Logan Stieber was honored. Logan's only high school loss came here. His brother Hunter lost twice in high school.......both here. David Carr beat Jarod Verkleeren (Fargo cadet FS champ, FILA Cadet World Team trial champ) in the finals.
I do not know what Carr or Marinelli did this year at 32 last year Carr did not win and I'm not sure he placed .
I WAS JUST STATING FACTS PEOPLE ALWAYS POINT TO ONE PERSONS RESULTS WHEN IN FACT THERE ARE MULTIPLE AND MORE RESULTS TO STATE THE OPPOSITE POINT AT TIMES .
AND AS IS THE CASE IT'S ALWAYS THE FLAVOR OF THE DAY THAT IS BEING SERVED AT THE MOMENT AS I SAID SIMPLY COMPARE THE PARTICIPANTS AND IT'S NO COMPARISON
I only stated David Carr's results because you used his name as a reference. I assumed you were comparing the most recent results. I think everyone understands the point you are making.
On 12/14/2015, 8:47:31, Nike Man said:If you were talking about David Carr, he didn't lose at Super 32. Won that and Ironman. But I get what your saying.
For those interested: Ironman Finals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqyQfkOvGl8
3 hours ago, crazyotto said:For those interested: Ironman Finals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqyQfkOvGl8
Thanks for this! Easily the best tournament in the country!