MS results have been tough to come by, but I've had some help to make a number of changes the last couple weeks.  Still trying to sort out the River City lineup for rankings purposes as I know their club has a number of kids from Indiana competing with them.  Please keep me straight if I rank an Indiana kid or have removed a KY kid (I may have assumed they were IN).  The goal here is to project a state tournament finish, so I don't want to include IN kids.

Yost removed from rankings as I am hearing he will focus his time and efforts at the HS level.  There could be a couple other kids who fall into this category.

Club team race looks to be exciting.  WV, Ryle, River City, and Union all looking tough.

I hope these big kids compete with Team KY this year.  We have some tough kids up there.

WR Rankings 2015_16 Middle School JAN82016.pdf

Zach Martin has only lost One or Two matches since the last update, but he went down 2 rankings.

21 minutes ago, Zmartin152 said:

Zach Martin has only lost One or Two matches since the last update, but he went down 2 rankings.

Yes, because a couple new kids were added near the top including #1 Shackelford.

12 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:

Yes, because a couple new kids were added near the top including #1 Shackelford.

Ohh, okay.

Tates creek has a 70 to keep an eye on. Jonathan gilbert. I believe we have beat the rowdy kid from CWA. Gilbert only lost was to a tough Wayne County kid. We haven't wrestled a ton of tournaments , but hopefully he will do well in post season. 

Klemmer Nicodemus wrestles for Ohio County, haven't seen Zeke Hatfield or Dustin Barr this season at 140 and have been at two or three events that Ohio and Meade County were represented.

Nolan Banfield for McNabb at 72 should be good if he makes weight... his only losses were against ranked wrestlers at 75 and 80.. Btw he's my son.. so I root for him to get ranked... lol..District and Regional coming up, so the cream will always rise to the top..good luck to all the wrestlers...they all work hard..

On January 8, 2016 at 9:55:22 PM, tytrever said:

Klemmer Nicodemus wrestles for Ohio County, haven't seen Zeke Hatfield or Dustin Barr this season at 140 and have been at two or three events that Ohio and Meade County were represented.

Hatfield from ohio no longer wrestling

Mcnabb went to larue this weekend

Nolan banfeild won all his matches beat rowdy from carr

morgan martin won all his

keegan Campbell went 2-2 coaches said this kid has a heart of a lion (thanks that made his lost easier seeing that other coaches noticed he did not give up)

tatum Campbell is out rest of season due to injury he will be there to root his team on

Samuel Elliston from Conner has beaten the 10th seed Rictor Morgan and still is ranked below him. How does this work?

Well could have been over looked. Chances are the tournament this occurred never posted results  and the people that help with the rankings didn't know this happened. 

1 hour ago, Elliston3 said:

Samuel Elliston from Conner has beaten the 10th seed Rictor Morgan and still is ranked below him. How does this work?

Morgan pinned Elliston at the Woodland Rumble in the Semi-finals, and I know Ranger did receive those results, so that might explain why Morgan was ranked higher.

I would like for everyone to know that I am very proud of my son Will Horschler.  He took first place at the 152 bracket at Districts.  Good luck to everyone next weekend!

15 hours ago, rjs4470 said:

Morgan pinned Elliston at the Woodland Rumble in the Semi-finals, and I know Ranger did receive those results, so that might explain why Morgan was ranked higher.

 

Good catch there coach. You can't forget the losses. 

On January 8, 2016 at 10:36:58 AM, Ranger123 said:

MS results have been tough to come by, but I've had some help to make a number of changes the last couple weeks.  Still trying to sort out the River City lineup for rankings purposes as I know their club has a number of kids from Indiana competing with them.  Please keep me straight if I rank an Indiana kid or have removed a KY kid (I may have assumed they were IN).  The goal here is to project a state tournament finish, so I don't want to include IN kids.

Yost removed from rankings as I am hearing he will focus his time and efforts at the HS level.  There could be a couple other kids who fall into this category.

Club team race looks to be exciting.  WV, Ryle, River City, and Union all looking tough.

I hope these big kids compete with Team KY this year.  We have some tough kids up there.

WR Rankings 2015_16 Middle School JAN82016.pdf

Will there be new middle school rankings posted?

can anyone link me to all middle school district results 

28 minutes ago, ALLamerican said:

Will there be new middle school rankings posted?

can anyone link me to all middle school district results 

I think Ranger typically updates after Regionals.  That's when things will really start to come into focus.

I believe all the district results (or their links on track) have been posted here on the site.

6 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:

I think Ranger typically updates after Regionals.  That's when things will really start to come into focus.

 

I believe all the district results (or their links on track) have been posted here on the site.

Thank you. I'm very new to the site and have been trying to navigate it. I've only been able to find a few results.

Yeah early next week I will update. Saw a lot of new names at district and region will give us a good chance to see where those kids fall in the pecking order. Or at least a good guess. 

On 1/18/2016, 7:01:01, rjs4470 said:

Morgan pinned Elliston at the Woodland Rumble in the Semi-finals, and I know Ranger did receive those results, so that might explain why Morgan was ranked higher.

 

This is true, but has Morgan lost any matches since the Woodland Rumble?

I know you want to see your kid's name get some recognition, but pleading your case on here isn't the way to do it. Let him prove himself at regions and State and he will land right where he is supposed to. Ranking are just fun to look at. In the great words of Terry Brands's father, "you get what you earn."

1 hour ago, Elliston3 said:

This is true, but has Morgan lost any matches since the Woodland Rumble?

Don't know.  You asked why Rictor was ranked and Elliston wasn't.  I provided a head to head result where Rictor not only beat Elliston, but pinned him.  If that was their last meeting, there is nothing else to really argue about.  Unless Elliston has beaten other kids above Morgan (and I don't know, maybe he has), then based on head to head, Morgan should be ranked ahead, especially considering he also beat a very good kid from Perry Meridian to win that tournament.  I also happen to know at this point it's moot, because Morgan was unable to wrestle in districts.

Rankings are not an exact science.  And really, if you haven't beaten any ranked kids (and I don't know whether Elliston has or hasn't) or won any really competitive events, then you likely won't get ranked.  I've seen kids with 30-1 records that can't score a point on any of the top 2 or 3 kids.  And usually in middle school the difference between the top 2 or 3 kids in a weight class and the next 7 or 8 is huge.  

Either way, with Region coming up, and then state, any unranked kid will have an opportunity to be ranked when it counts.  How you finish at the end is more important than where you are ranked on January 8th.

How many middle school districts are there in ky?

how many districts are in each region?

how many regions?

I've looked but not east to find answers to. Much more info on high school.

2 minutes ago, ALLamerican said:

How many middle school districts are there in ky?

how many districts are in each region?

how many regions?

I've looked but not east to find answers to. Much more info on high school.

 

8 districts, top 4 from each district

4 regions, top 4 from each region. 

8 man bracket at regions

16 man bracket at state. 

2 hours ago, Chris Duke said:

8 districts, top 4 from each district

4 regions, top 4 from each region. 

8 man bracket at regions

16 man bracket at state. 

Thank you for the info. Now just trying to find the results for districts 2, 5, 6, 7. Would like to see what the path looks like ahead.

4 minutes ago, ALLamerican said:

Thank you for the info. Now just trying to find the results for districts 2, 5, 6, 7. Would like to see what the path looks like ahead.

Results from those districts are posted here on the site in this forum.  Shouldn't be hard to find.

District 5 is incomplete. You should be able to get a good idea though. 

2 hours ago, rjs4470 said:

Results from those districts are posted here on the site in this forum.  Shouldn't be hard to find.

If you could post a link to those result you would be my fav ever. I've looked only been able find the other 4

Are seeds pre determined at Regionals? No talking about it and seeding them right? It's based off district results?

38 minutes ago, Nolans Dad said:

Are seeds pre determined at Regionals? No talking about it and seeding them right? It's based off district results?

It is based off of districts. There isn't anything to talk about. 1vs4,2vs3 from the other district. Some districts are tougher than others is just the way it is. 

2 hours ago, Nolans Dad said:

Are seeds pre determined at Regionals? No talking about it and seeding them right? It's based off district results?

The only way a seed changes is if a kid can't compete on the day of the tournament.  Say the 4 seed from district 8 can't compete. The 5 seed from the hosting district (I believe in right in this but I could be wrong) will fill in the 4th seed. Or say the 2 seed can't wrestle day of. The 3 will slide to the 2 the 4 to the 3 and the 5 to the 4. This is the only way seeds change. 

Blues Dad is our Regions cancelled this weekend? Our coach said they are scheduled next weekend? And what's our district and regions number.... Appreciate ya answering my questions... Your a cool dude..

District 8, Region 4, postponed to Saturday Jan. 30th.

7 hours ago, Bluesdad said:

The only way a seed changes is if a kid can't compete on the day of the tournament.  Say the 4 seed from district 8 can't compete. The 5 seed from the hosting district (I believe in right in this but I could be wrong) will fill in the 4th seed. Or say the 2 seed can't wrestle day of. The 3 will slide to the 2 the 4 to the 3 and the 5 to the 4. This is the only way seeds change. 

I was under the impression that the alternates from the same district fill in the 4th spot in the event of a missing participants from their district. If they don't don't show (the alternates from same district) then the alternates from the other district fills the spot as the other alternate would have in the fourth spot.

55 minutes ago, UniPeck said:

I was under the impression that the alternates from the same district fill in the 4th spot in the event of a missing participants from their district. If they don't don't show (the alternates from same district) then the alternates from the other district fills the spot as the other alternate would have in the fourth spot.

Yes I believe you're correct. 

How in the world can an 8th grade kid that is Ranked #1 in the State at 152 lbs not allowed to wrestle at Regionals because of Ringworm that has been treated and we as parents had 2 KHSAA forms filled out by a DR not a Ref????? The answer we got today is that a ref can overrule a DR??? Isn't this a medical condition??? Why in the world would they have KHSAA forms that a DR needs to fill out to release the wrestler to wrestle. Today, my son, my wife and I got a REAL bad taste in our mouth if that is how wrestling is ran. It is a shame, I don't have words for what happened at Woodland Middle School today...............

I agree.  Some officials have gotten out of hand and have over stepped their responsibilities this season.  I would think this type of decision should be left up to a vote by coaches  

It shouldn't even be left to the coaches, this is a Medical decision. This isn't to be left to a bunch of fat overweight refs that are on a powertrip

1 hour ago, RamMan said:

It shouldn't even be left to the coaches, this is a Medical decision. This isn't to be left to a bunch of fat overweight refs that are on a powertrip

If the refs saw ringworm they make the decision and can call upon the trainer onsite to tell them if there is really a skin condition or not. There can not be a doctor come from outside the tourney to make the call. If ringworm is alive it is alive. It can effect the competing wrestlers and they would not be able to wrestle at their state tourney bc a ref made a stupid decision to let someone in the tourney who was infected. I know it ended the kids career but it had to happen. There is NO reason to harm another wrestler.

It was not harming another wrestler, the trainer ok'd him to wrestle, then the refs said the trainer wasn't qualified to make the decision. My son was obviously singled out because of his Ranking. He had an approved Dr's note that released him. There was also 3 nurses in the stands and a Nurse Practitioner that looked at it and all of them said it was OK. So, there were 5 Medical Professionals that all said it was OK, until a Ryle Ref put a stop to it. It's funny that my son would have been wrestling a Ryle kid in the Finals. That was a total joke today and I will take this to a higher authority, you can't do kids like that and get away with it, not mine.

What happen today to Ronnie was unfortunate, but to think that Ryle had anything to do with what happened to your son is just wrong. You have the right to be mad, but every coach should know that those forms are not always 100% garunteed. Your son is not the first kid with ringworm and a note to not be allowed to wrestle and he won't be the last. This situation comes up every year at some tournament. It is not fair to all the other wrestlers to have to wrestle on the same mat as someone with a skin condition. Minnesota shut down wrestling completely 2 or 3 years ago do to skin condition. Not saying this incident would go this far, but the well being of the group is first. 

His ringworm was nowhere close to being a threat to any wrestler. Also, there is no other way to think but that. I'm not saying Ryle in a whole is dirty, just that fat piece of crap that call himself a ref and a coach.

13 hours ago, Armbar215 said:

What happen today to Ronnie was unfortunate, but to think that Ryle had anything to do with what happened to your son is just wrong. You have the right to be mad, but every coach should know that those forms are not always 100% garunteed. Your son is not the first kid with ringworm and a note to not be allowed to wrestle and he won't be the last. This situation comes up every year at some tournament. It is not fair to all the other wrestlers to have to wrestle on the same mat as someone with a skin condition. Minnesota shut down wrestling completely 2 or 3 years ago do to skin condition. Not saying this incident would go this far, but the well being of the group is first. 

What region was this in

On January 24, 2016 at 2:19:55 PM, RamMan said:

How in the world can an 8th grade kid that is Ranked #1 in the State at 152 lbs not allowed to wrestle at Regionals because of Ringworm that has been treated and we as parents had 2 KHSAA forms filled out by a DR not a Ref????? The answer we got today is that a ref can overrule a DR??? Isn't this a medical condition??? Why in the world would they have KHSAA forms that a DR needs to fill out to release the wrestler to wrestle. Today, my son, my wife and I got a REAL bad taste in our mouth if that is how wrestling is ran. It is a shame, I don't have words for what happened at Woodland Middle School today...............

This sounds really messed up should be allowed to cover it up and get it on.

7 minutes ago, ALLamerican said:

This sounds really messed up should be allowed to cover it up and get it on.

Rules do not permit "covering up" a contagious skin condition.  It's just as contagious covered as it is uncovered---bandages fall off, get moved, wet from sweat, etc.  Once someone in our room contracts ringworm, we don't allow them to practice until the coaches feel the infection is inactive. 

My son practiced all week at CC, no problems, because he's not contagious!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's why the Dr. cleared him on the note!!!!!!!!!! Complete political Bull_ _ _ _!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

3 minutes ago, RamMan said:

My son practiced all week at CC, no problems, because he's not contagious!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's why the Dr. cleared him on the note!!!!!!!!!! Complete political Bull_ _ _ _!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Wasn't referring to your sons situation.  The poster stated that they should just let someone with ringworm wrestle.  I was just stating as to why that is not possible, and how ringworm is handled in my room.

Again, sorry this happened.  And I've been in your shoes, so I know how it feels.  But attacking me, calling everyone names etc, accusing everyone of "politics" is not going to fix or change what happened.  There were no politics.  This situation would have played out the same way if this had been some other kid, and I'm not sure what I've ever done in the past to make you feel that way.

I'm stepping away from the conversation. 

I'm not trying to attack anyone, my son was done very unjustly. There was no trained trainer on site that knew anything about wrestling situations and I had all the paperwork to cover my son to wrestle. Good luck to all at State

Dayum that sux bro... Number #1 and.couldn't wrestle... We try our best to shower and been on top of it...But it's so easy to catch that it can ruin a kids season... Feel for the guy..we had a ranked kid miss last year over the same thing.. Sorry for your boy, much success in the future!

Nathan Begley, who you have ranked at 140, is a high schooler.

My son made it through districts and regions with a note from dr saying his ringworm was no longer contagious he had been treated but had a scar with a little bit of scab still

we got to state and he was not allowed to wrestle

he was also ranked and would have placed im sure at state

the refs seens it called in the personal trainer and for some reason several other coaches form rivals and as a group they said no

school nurse was iffy aout it but we had two dr notes also that should have outweighed a nurse

more or less it was other coaches talking the refs into saying no

just a little scared that's all

Have the brackets for Regionals been posted as of yet?  Thank you!

1 hour ago, mom of 2 said:

My son made it through districts and regions with a note from dr saying his ringworm was no longer contagious he had been treated but had a scar with a little bit of scab still

we got to state and he was not allowed to wrestle

he was also ranked and would have placed im sure at state

the refs seens it called in the personal trainer and for some reason several other coaches form rivals and as a group they said no

school nurse was iffy aout it but we had two dr notes also that should have outweighed a nurse

more or less it was other coaches talking the refs into saying no

just a little scared that's all

 

What was his name and what school was he from?

On January 25, 2016 at 2:49:34 PM, rjs4470 said:

Rules do not permit "covering up" a contagious skin condition.  It's just as contagious covered as it is uncovered---bandages fall off, get moved, wet from sweat, etc.  Once someone in our room contracts ringworm, we don't allow them to practice until the coaches feel the infection is inactive. 

What about a burn that is healing or scabed over? Can that be covered with gauze and tape?

3 hours ago, ALLamerican said:

What about a burn that is healing or scabed over? Can that be covered with gauze and tape?

Last time I checked a burn isn't a contagious skin condition.

Neither is Ringworm that has been treated for more than 72 hours

 I copy And Pasted from A Medical Site.... I'm not a Doctor...But I googled and this is what it said...    If you are wondering how long ringworm is contagious for, then the answer is that it is only contagious as long as you don’t treat it. Once treatment starts, it stops spreading within a period of 24 – 48 hours. If it is a mild infection it is easy to contain and treat. Children who are suffering from ringworm infection do not have to miss school as ringworm of the skin is not very contagious and needs a skin to skin contact to spread. It does not take long after treatment starts for the infection to stop being contagious. It just takes up to 48 hours after treatment starts ringworm is no longer contagious.... I Googled it...and this is what I found... It could be wrong, dunno?   http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0ahUKEwjnmpu7jsnKAhXIdz4KHaOmBWUQFggiMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.beyonddisease.com%2Fhow-long-is-ringworm-contagious&usg=AFQjCNHxBFQdZOxJxFcZmKayAiw1ioVfBQ&sig2=di_XVNzuMeS1x1ZdZ3pLZw

21 hours ago, RamMan said:

What was his name and what school was he from?

Tatum Campbell  mcnabb

11 hours ago, Nolans Dad said:

 I copy And Pasted from A Medical Site.... I'm not a Doctor...But I googled and this is what it said...    If you are wondering how long ringworm is contagious for, then the answer is that it is only contagious as long as you don’t treat it. Once treatment starts, it stops spreading within a period of 24 – 48 hours. If it is a mild infection it is easy to contain and treat. Children who are suffering from ringworm infection do not have to miss school as ringworm of the skin is not very contagious and needs a skin to skin contact to spread. It does not take long after treatment starts for the infection to stop being contagious. It just takes up to 48 hours after treatment starts ringworm is no longer contagious.... I Googled it...and this is what I found... It could be wrong, dunno?   http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0ahUKEwjnmpu7jsnKAhXIdz4KHaOmBWUQFggiMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.beyonddisease.com%2Fhow-long-is-ringworm-contagious&usg=AFQjCNHxBFQdZOxJxFcZmKayAiw1ioVfBQ&sig2=di_XVNzuMeS1x1ZdZ3pLZw

That is exactly correct, my son had medical documentation of his treatment. He was on his 4th or 5th day of treatment. If my math is correct, that is way over the timeline. Like I have said and will keep saying, the refs did him very unjustly and discredited what a medical professional(On Site)had to say. Why would you go to the extreme of overruling a medical professional or a Medical Document for TREATED RING WORM??? That is my eyes is INSANITY

If you Googled it, it must be true.  

The only way an onsite doctor has any say at all is if the tournament director has appointed a doctor over the tournament. This tournament didn't have one so everyone in the could have been doctors and it wouldn't have mattered. Typically ringworm that has been treated for 3 or 4 days starts to fade or isn't really that red.  It is unfortunate it happens every year. The good thing is it is his 8th grade here and not his senior year.  Hopefully he gets a chance to represent team ky and has a successful high school year  

I agree, but there was a trainer on site and medical signed documents that only the trainer could have overruled, which he didn't

If an official or officials can overrule an On Site Medical Professional or even a signed Medical Document, all of our kids are in Danger. Wrestling needs to be shut down if that's the case, which I know it isn't the case.

As much as I disagreed with the name calling, I completely agree with it shouldn't be the officials decision, let alone the trainers.  I would imagine 95% of the officials wouldn't want to make the calls either if it wasn't part of their responsibilities.  Neither are dermatologists.  In reality the issue is a state/national issue, and not just KY, it's in every state as this happens everywhere, at all age levels.  Only at certain top tournaments do you see a Dr. on staff at the event.  And even then, a regular MD isn't quite fully capable of making a good decisions, unless it is a Dermotologist.  I have seen many family practice doctors make wrong calls, simply because it is something not very common for them. 

Is it part of the Ref's association requirements to go through a skin funk program?  Some type of certification?  Serious question here, because I do not know the answer.  If not, maybe they should?  This could help eliminate some types of these issues at the least.  Knowledge, awareness, and experience helps all avenues here.

I totally apologize for the name calling, the heat of the moment thing we all have been there. Even if the Ref's do an online course of skin training does not give them the legal right to overrule a medical professional. I have found out that is a law and it should be to protect our kids.

21 hours ago, RamMan said:

I totally apologize for the name calling, the heat of the moment thing we all have been there. Even if the Ref's do an online course of skin training does not give them the legal right to overrule a medical professional. I have found out that is a law and it should be to protect our kids.

.........

Section 1, Article 2&3 are talking about the match not a medical decision. I know the officials are there to keep the kids safe(IN COMPETITION). Why on Gods green earth would an official want to overrule a Medical Document or a Medical Professional(Trainer)???? The officials butt is covered by the Medical KHSAA Form(that was current) and the ok by the trainer. No matter how you look at it, it looks very Dirty. I am a Middle School Coach myself and have been through the online KHSAA training and would not go 10 feet from overruling a Medical Document or a Medical Professional(Trainer from St. Elizabeth) It was ringworm that was treated for 4 plus days??? Are you serious??? Look at what you are arguing, let's swallow our ego's and admit the officials were in the wrong and do this sport some justice.

An athletic trainer is a certified health care professional who practices in the field of sports medicine. Athletic training has been recognized by the American Medical Association (AMA) as an allied health care profession since 1990.^[1]

OhioWrestler&Reff68,

You may want to expand your medical knowledge, just saying.

...........

Let me educate you some more........ The middle school is not under KHSAA rules and regulations, but the Parents are required to have a KHSAA skin form??? The AMA is not just on Google for your information, it is an actual Association. See there, you are learning some things. If I was just thinking of my son, I would have been negligent in this situation and not had the proper documentation, but I did. So let's take a look at the big picture.......... Ringworm, is not Contagious after 48 hours of treatment. My son had Medical Documentation that he has been treated for 4 days. That is 96 hours if my math is correct, the big picture is way too much of a Power Trip!!! Officials need to do their job, keep the kids safe while Wrestling and make the correct call in a match. They don't need to try and be Part-time Medical Professionals, especially when a Medical Professional is present. Way too much power for that position.

You have a great day and best of luck to you and your Son.

Here's another scenario for WrestlerRef, say a kid passes out due to a number of issues. Bottom line the kid needs CPR. I am CPR certified trained, I jump in and I'm performing CPR. A Medical Professional shows up and says to me, I will take it from here. Should I look at him and say this is my call, I don't need you???? I know that is a different situation and a life threatening one, but you get the gist of it don't you??? Why in the world would I even question a Medical Professional? Sorry, but I do not understand the power and authority you are saying officials have. Maybe wrestling officials are Special, but maybe they need to be retrained on what they are really responsible for. I look at it as if an Official overrules a Medical Professional, that is Child Endangerment in my eyes!

Just let it go. Your point has been stated and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Hate it for your son, but it is what it is. 

I really wish I could just let it go, but I'm sure anyone else would feel the same way I feel. All I hear from people is it sucks, sorry, bad deal, and so on. I know it is what it is, but my son will remember this the rest of his life, even if it is Middle School. We trust and put people in authority to do the right thing and the total opposite happens. I wish all the wrestlers luck at State. My son will be there supporting his teammates

The best way to support this now, come up with a better solution.  How can we make it better?  Help make sure no other young man or family has to go through this.  And no, not just saying ref's can't over ride a dr. note..... that's not going to happen and there are waaaaaay to many variables to even think about allowing that.  The ref is the last line of prevention for skin funk, this will not change.  So how can we make it better?

And since we have totally annihilated Ranger's rankings page.   Maybe start a new thread with your ideas so the thousands of other families, coaches, and fans can input their ideas and thoughts as well, and we can leave this one be. 

The only thing positive that can come of this situation now is to help make it better.

I'm just curious of why WrestlerReff68 took his postings off of this site??? Was it false information? Hmmmmmm...................

30 minutes ago, Coach Wagers said:

The best way to support this now, come up with a better solution.  How can we make it better?  Help make sure no other young man or family has to go through this.  And no, not just saying ref's can't over ride a dr. note..... that's not going to happen and there are waaaaaay to many variables to even think about allowing that.  The ref is the last line of prevention for skin funk, this will not change.  So how can we make it better?

And since we have totally annihilated Ranger's rankings page.   Maybe start a new thread with your ideas so the thousands of other families, coaches, and fans can input their ideas and thoughts as well, and we can leave this one be. 

The only thing positive that can come of this situation now is to help make it better.

Once again, the official is not in any way certified medically to be the last line of defense. This is why there are medical professionals on site. Just because you have seen something a thousand times, does not make you an expert in any way. I would be an expert in many areas if that was the case lol. We can make this better by having the official do their job and their job only. I'm not sure why this is so difficult?? It was ringworm (medically treated and cleared), I had the proper Medical Documentation, it was also cleared by the On-site Medical Professional and for some reason the officials have to play part-time Dr. Why is this so difficult to understand???? Okay, let's simplify this.

1. Wrestling Match=Official

2. Match call and Violations=Official

3. Medical Questions or Ringworm=Medical Professional(Trainer,Dr,)

18 hours ago, RamMan said:

I'm just curious of why WrestlerReff68 took his postings off of this site??? Was it false information? Hmmmmmm...................

I took them down because YOU just don't get it!!!!  I tried to be the voice of reason as an outsider who's only read and was told about what happened.  I tried to post the rules as a NEUTRAL party, who knows what I'm talking about because when its said and done I have NO DOG in this fight, heck I live over 200 miles from where his happened.  

I spent over an hour reading all the post that you've made and everyone that replied to you and I can safely that 1. I'm older than you, 2. that I've been in this sport longer than you.  I like most in here I wrestled in school, but in Ohio then wrestled in college and lastly wrestled in the Army  3.  I've been a Wrestling Official for 29 YEARS in 5 different states and I KNOW THE RULES and have seen how the rules have changed since I first put a black and white strip shirt on in Ohio in 1987 (my first year officiating, what were you doing in 1987?)...  4. I've coached 3 different youth programs in two different states over the last 15 years. I  am and have coached my sons who are 22, 17 and 7, so I have the father/coach area checked as well...  I think that it is safe to say that  I have a damn good resume' when it comes to the sport of wrestling and EVERYONE in here has and is telling you the same thing but you just don't want to hear it.  I posted the RULES the truth and it is a fact we are the LAST LINE of defense when it comes to SKIN issues and safety of the kids.  You WILL not change anything that we do when it comes to safety AND we do have the authority to over-rule that KHSAA form.  Not 1 official did it, ALL 4 of them ruled against it. 

You asked questions, called people/officials names, accused officials of cheating. Insinuating that "they" did it out of spit because he was ranked #1 and that somehow the officials knew this and they knew that his first match was with a Ryle kid.....  Gee 29 years of doing this and I don't ever remember officials seeing the brackets before during or after a tourn.  You've pointed fingers at everyone and everything possible. You are not and have not accomplished a single thing with all of this......

AGAIN  so you understand a TRAINER is not an on site medical professional.  We are not playing part time Dr., we don't Dx anything, we just have the authority to protect all the kids...  Checking the SKIN and ruling on it is our JOB.  I bet before this day you never once cared about what we did when it came to skin did you?  Now it's an issue?  I got that 100% why it bothers you and we all must fight for our kids, but it's over and done with and it can't be changed.  You post all these what IFS' and stuff you find on Google to support YOUR agenda.

You're taking this as a personal attack against you, your son and your family and it was nothing of the sort.      

 Again, have a wonderful day RamMan and best of luck to your fine student athlete I wish him the best in everything he does both on and off the mat, God speed to you and your family.       

Amen ref whoever u r. Let us please shut this issue the f up.  We get ramMan U r upset... live on a lot more happens for your son than wrestling.  a rule is a rule and u did not make the rule and u still have to follow it.  It is like life like a job...u don't like quit and really the rest of us won't care in a few days.  Certainly your son does not like reading all this.  Take it up privately not on the ranking forum.    This is tough stuff that I have written and quite frankly I probably shouldn't written it....and quite frankly you probably don't care but you know what I'm tired of reading about it MoveOn get better or quit those are your options 

51 minutes ago, LLbear said:

Amen ref whoever u r. Let us please shut this issue the f up.  We get ramMan U r upset... live on a lot more happens for your son than wrestling.  a rule is a rule and u did not make the rule and u still have to follow it.  It is like life like a job...u don't like quit and really the rest of us won't care in a few days.  Certainly your son does not like reading all this.  Take it up privately not on the ranking forum.    This is tough stuff that I have written and quite frankly I probably shouldn't written it....and quite frankly you probably don't care but you know what I'm tired of reading about it MoveOn get better or quit those are your options 

The problem is you just antagonized a person and instigated from a 14 hour old post. This would have probably died, but you chose to throw your 2 cents in. Next time try seeing how old a post is before responding. 

On ‎1‎/‎30‎/‎2016 at 10:18 PM, LLbear said:

Amen ref whoever u r. Let us please shut this issue the f up.  We get ramMan U r upset... live on a lot more happens for your son than wrestling.  a rule is a rule and u did not make the rule and u still have to follow it.  It is like life like a job...u don't like quit and really the rest of us won't care in a few days.  Certainly your son does not like reading all this.  Take it up privately not on the ranking forum.    This is tough stuff that I have written and quite frankly I probably shouldn't written it....and quite frankly you probably don't care but you know what I'm tired of reading about it MoveOn get better or quit those are your options 

My son has been through much more than this LLBear, you may want to think before you speak. He has probably been through just about more than any wrestler out there, so you can keep your 2 cents to yourself. It was wrong no matter how you look at it. He was cleared my his doctor and by the on-site medical professional(Trainer). And your exactly right, I don't care what you have to say or anyone else. I have gotten more private messages that support than against, they just don't want to put it out there so the Almighty Powerful Refs don't blackball their kids.

 I can understand your position, having been there before ourselves.  Just hated seeing it drug through the formum. I wish your  your son the best in whatever endeavors he chooses. hopefully this issue and procedures governing it get corrected and made better in the future for all us.

On January 31, 2016 at 9:42 AM, RamMan said:

On January 8, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Ranger123 said:

MS results have been tough to come by, but I've had some help to make a number of changes the last couple weeks.  Still trying to sort out the River City lineup for rankings purposes as I know their club has a number of kids from Indiana competing with them.  Please keep me straight if I rank an Indiana kid or have removed a KY kid (I may have assumed they were IN).  The goal here is to project a state tournament finish, so I don't want to include IN kids.

Yost removed from rankings as I am hearing he will focus his time and efforts at the HS level.  There could be a couple other kids who fall into this category.

Club team race looks to be exciting.  WV, Ryle, River City, and Union all looking tough.

I hope these big kids compete with Team KY this year.  We have some tough kids up there.

WR Rankings 2015_16 Middle School JAN82016.pdf

My son has been through much more than this LLBear, you may want to think before you speak. He has probably been through just about more than any wrestler out there, so you can keep your 2 cents to yourself. It was wrong no matter how you look at it. He was cleared my his doctor and by the on-site medical professional(Trainer). And your exactly right, I don't care what you have to say or anyone else. I have gotten more private messages that support than against, they just don't want to put it out there so the Almighty Powerful Refs don't blackball their kids.

Are new rankings gonna be posted this week