Topic ID: 12530 | 129 Posts
Now that all sectionals are complete, let's hear your opinions on match ups, predictions, seeds, etc.
Small school winners: no order
Union
North Oldham
Larue
Wayne
Walton Verona
Harrison Co.
Draw ins:
Calloway Co
Doss
Franklin??
Danville
Scott
Sheldon Clark
Can anyone post large school results?
2 hours ago, CUTiger184 said:Now that all sectionals are complete, let's hear your opinions on match ups, predictions, seeds, etc.
Small school winners: no order
Union
North Oldham
Larue
Wayne
Walton Verona
Harrison Co.
Draw ins:
Calloway Co
Doss
Franklin??
Danville
Scott
Sheldon Clark
Can anyone post large school results?
Danville has declined to go
Moore was 2nd to north Oldham
I predict the finishing order will be #1 Union, #2 Walton Verona, #3 North Oldham, and #4 Harrison.
Big school, best of my knowledge.
Meade
Fern creek
Johnson central
Madison central
Trinity
St x
Campbell
Simon Kenton
Christian co
Hopkinsville (not going )
Oldham county
Woodford County
59 minutes ago, Nike Man said:I predict the finishing order will be #1 Union, #2 Walton Verona, #3 North Oldham, and #4 Harrison.
I think those are the top 4 as well. It will
be interesting to see how the seeding plays out.
Head to head win/loss
Common opponent win/loss
Win percentage
I'm pretty sure that's the order of the criteria
Can Track auto seed teams? Not being rhetorical, just asking. If so, maybe this changes the prediction, maybe not, I can't really say for sure. I will say, other than Union being #1, my other 3 predictions could fall in any order. Harrison County is my so called Dark Horse. They have the "horses" to possibly make the finals.
There will be a conference call I'm sure with all sectional winners. It should be pretty clear who should be seeded where if every coach has done their homework. Union is the clear one seed for sure.
I think big school looks deeper than I can ever remember with high quality teams. From first rd through the finals I think you'll see great match ups.
2 hours ago, coachteater said:I think big school looks deeper than I can ever remember with high quality teams. From first rd through the finals I think you'll see great match ups.
I agree, big school will be interesting. Would be nice if we could get each final televised through Ihigh or something.
I'm pretty sure Ihigh declared bankruptcy. With Woodford Co. being in it maybe someone could contact Prepspin.com to do it. They do a great job webcasting Lexington area high school events.
I wonder how MS regionals being moved to next weekend will effect any HS teams line ups. I know several small schools use MS guys for their light weights.
Should be posted after the seed meetings the day of state duals. Top 6 seeds will be determined and then the others will be randomly drawn in.
Small school is at Lindsey Wilson College in Columbia, KY. Just south of Campbellsville.
Just saw a story on Landon Young on the news committing to UK. Wish he was still wrestling. Good kid, good wrestler, good luck Landon!
He weighted in at section duals, think he had 1 quick match. So glad to see him back on the mat.
Can someone list the big school teams that will be competing the weekend? Also, how they finished from what sectional as well. Thanks!
State duals week is here. Let's hear some more predictions for small and big school. I'm excited to hear how big school plays out. Union county is the clear favorite in small school. Big school.... Woodford, Trinity, Fern Creek, Oldham. It may be a crap shoot in big school.
The last time I attended the state duels, both large and small school events were held in the same venue (Montgomery County) then the winners of both divisions competed. I assume this will not occur with different venues.
9 hours ago, CUTiger184 said:State duals week is here. Let's hear some more predictions for small and big school. I'm excited to hear how big school plays out. Union county is the clear favorite in small school. Big school.... Woodford, Trinity, Fern Creek, Oldham. It may be a crap shoot in big school.
I think the dark horse this year will be MEADE Co. They have beaten some good Top Teams which no one expected and going into the State Duals with a 43-3 record, I think a few upsets are on the way. I call it now, it will be a Meade Co. - Oldham Co. final and winner will be only by 8 points leaning towards Meade. The Ferncreek - Meade County match shows a good perspective why Meade has a chance to come out on top this year.
1 hour ago, Usawresstling said:With the absence of hopkinsville will ryle get into state duals
McCracken co replaced Hopkinsville. All others are participating. So ryle will not be in
1 hour ago, Usawresstling said:
6 minutes ago, PinAndWin said:Doesn't make any sense. Team hosting should be able to slide in.
I agree if ryle is hosting they should get first dibs
Meade
Fern creek
Johnson central
Madison central
Trinity
St x
Campbell
Simon Kenton
Christian co
McCracken
Oldham county
Woodford County
16 hours ago, firemans34 said:Just saw a story on Landon Young on the news committing to UK. Wish he was still wrestling. Good kid, good wrestler, good luck Landon!
Landon is still wrestling. He just had to wait until after the Army game to participate. Landon is an awesome young man. He has a very bright future ahead of him!
Small school:
Big School:
Big school is hard to determine, here is my rough estimate. I would love to know how the seeds will turn out.
Small school will be competitive, not much separates North Oldham, Harrison, and Walton Verona so 2nd-4th could be anybody's. Can any one of these team upend Union County?
48 minutes ago, heavy83 said:I always thought host school had first chance to fill
FIRST One To FILL Spot IS THE #3 from the region the team that didn't go was from. Then if they decline, it goes to another #3.
2 hours ago, Josh_Claywell said:Where did Ryle finish in sectionals?
they finished 3rd they lost to sk by 4
I kind of think that if the host school is one of the 3rd place finishers then they should get the first open spot. If they don't finish top 3 in their section then I would understand allowing other schools the opportunity.
I see both sides of this debate. I could easily argue it either way. Rather than doing that, how about moving it to Frankfort at the Civic Center? This could possibly fix the host team problem, it gives a central location, and it is one awesome venue to watch wrestling!!
Just change the venue like that ?Who does things like that ? That's not how you build a legitimate tournament or dual .Might be a great spot but not really the thing to do to build up integrity in a system .
NatureBoy, I was just throwing out an idea to solve the "host team" issue. If we were to have a tournament or duals at a neutral site, then we have possibly fixed the problem. In my opinion, just because a school host the State Duals, that doesn't give them an "automatic bid" to compete if another school drops out. The Frankfort Civic Center is an awesome venue for wrestling. If it were up to you, what is your solution?
Well if you have a system that picks a school site to have a state dual tournament before the actual teams are set ,You cannot turn around and say let's switch sites because the host team did not make the tournament .That's like picking a city to have the super bowl then if that city's team doesn't make playoffs saying let's switch the sites,You just do not do that to legit schools or legitimate Tournaments .I was not commenting on whether Ryle should be first or not I would say rules are rules for everyone even though it would be nice to have the host school in the duals .I wasn't knocking or commenting on who should be in or not the best teams earn that privilege in my opinion perhaps if a team drops out the other teams who are next in line can have a rat tail dual if you want to be Fair winner is in .
Union wasn't exactly the best site for everyone ,no complaining I say let it be moved around so everyone's area can enjoy or have a shot at seeing the best teams .Since the state tourney is in a central location .One I think is near perfect moving state duals around is a great idea .
Very good points. I was not saying that we should just change location on a whim either. I just thought if we nailed down a "permanent" location, the issue would be solved. That being said, I also like the idea of a rotating site, as long as it doesn't cause a participation issue. All in all, if it's building the sport, I will support it.
I think since the state tournament is in a set location at least for what seems to be a few years at a time it's nice moving state duals around .I think Lexington is a central location and perfect for where the state tourney is maybe minus the dust /dirt issues .And of course some brackets for ky state champs .
You know who really cares where the location is set for the Duals. Last time I checked this thread is to discuss the talent going and individual predictions on which team may come out on top an why. So tired of always seeing bickering about this or that in all the threads posted. Waaa Waaa Waaa, now I understand why Ranger and Dutch are never on here anymore. Everyone needs to refocuse on the main reason why these threads are available. "It is to discus the Wrestling talent in the State and talent it produces". Basically to showcase our wrestlers not their "Parents or Coaches and even Fans" it about them not us.... If I was an outside individual looking in to our State threads I would think there is nothing but crying and bickering in KY.
If you even think about replying to this in a smart @$$ way don't even bother because you wont get my dragged into the petty he said or she said games......... Lets move on already and discuss our wrestlers abilities and dedication to the sport of wresting! We owe it to them. They bust their butts everyday and hardly ever ask for anything but respect in return!
MIC DROPPED - Enough said and time to move on already!!!!!!
41 minutes ago, KYWrestler@Heart said:You know who really cares where the location is set for the Duals. Last time I checked this thread is to discuss the talent going and individual predictions on which team may come out on top an why. So tired of always seeing bickering about this or that in all the threads posted. Waaa Waaa Waaa, now I understand why Ranger and Dutch are never on here anymore. Everyone needs to refocuse on the main reason why these threads are available. "It is to discus the Wrestling talent in the State and talent it produces". Basically to showcase our wrestlers not their "Parents or Coaches and even Fans" it about them not us.... If I was an outside individual looking in to our State threads I would think there is nothing but crying and bickering in KY.
If you even think about replying to this in a smart @$$ way don't even bother because you wont get my dragged into the petty he said or she said games......... Lets move on already and discuss our wrestlers abilities and dedication to the sport of wresting! We owe it to them. They bust their butts everyday and hardly ever ask for anything but respect in return!
MIC DROPPED - Enough said and time to move on already!!!!!!
Amen! I miss the discussions about the wrestlers that were on here the mid 2000's.
I think the location of the 2nd most important competition in the state is worth discussing. As Nike Man said, I'm for whatever is best for the sport.
16 minutes ago, Zeus said:I think the location of the 2nd most important competition in the state is worth discussing. As Nike Man said, I'm for whatever is best for the sport.
What ever is best for the sport and these kids, agreed. The problem I see, if a neutral site was chosen (that was not a high school) then the KHSAA would have to rent the site, which would cost money, and most likely lose money in the end. Having high schools or in this case Lindsey Wilson hosting doesn't cost the association anything, therefore all is good in their eyes, and budget. I would think budget is the key for them, hence the horsepark. Bringing up this issue though as well as the horsepark definitely is a different topic and thread. Unfortunately until more revenue is created and the KHSAA believes we need a central neutral location it most likely will not happen.
Even though we did not get in the duals this year, I am excited they are at our school, and can't wait to watch them. There will be some very good matches for sure.
1 hour ago, KYWrestler@Heart said:You know who really cares where the location is set for the Duals. Last time I checked this thread is to discuss the talent going and individual predictions on which team may come out on top an why. So tired of always seeing bickering about this or that in all the threads posted. Waaa Waaa Waaa, now I understand why Ranger and Dutch are never on here anymore. Everyone needs to refocuse on the main reason why these threads are available. "It is to discus the Wrestling talent in the State and talent it produces". Basically to showcase our wrestlers not their "Parents or Coaches and even Fans" it about them not us.... If I was an outside individual looking in to our State threads I would think there is nothing but crying and bickering in KY.
If you even think about replying to this in a smart @$$ way don't even bother because you wont get my dragged into the petty he said or she said games......... Lets move on already and discuss our wrestlers abilities and dedication to the sport of wresting! We owe it to them. They bust their butts everyday and hardly ever ask for anything but respect in return!
MIC DROPPED - Enough said and time to move on already!!!!!!
I don't see where anyone was bickering. It was a few people having a productive exchange about the venue. And you may want to re-check the title of this thread, it is "State Duals", not the "talent going and individual predictions." This is a general discussion about whatever someone wishes to discuss relating to the State Duals. If you don't like the content, don't read it. And "MIC DROPPED"? Really? Are you 12?
KHSAA does not control the state duals. They have nothing to do with it. The Coaches Association is what controls the state duals.
Yes a neutral location may cost something. That is the problem. Schools hosting the tourney is another problem regardless of if that team is in the tourney or not.
1 hour ago, grappler-of-old said:KHSAA does not control the state duals. They have nothing to do with it. The Coaches Association is what controls the state duals.
Yes a neutral location may cost something. That is the problem. Schools hosting the tourney is another problem regardless of if that team is in the tourney or not.
Makes sense, still somewhat transitioning from the Ohio to Kentucky differences on some things 
In Ohio OHSAA controls the state duals. Ran similarly but they do have a neutral site for the finals.
As long as the schools have to host, this will most likely always be an issue. People complaining about travel, costs, etc... But for this to continue people have to take what is given. Some schools do not like hosting, some schools don't have the availability or the options to host, and these make it difficult to find the right venue of choice. This can easily be a tough process for the coaches association considering people want these duals to happen, yet the circumstances can be constricting.
I didn't see where anyone was bickering ,just talking about ideas on where or how best to have state duals a tournament that if used correctly can spread and grow the sport thus adding more wrestlers and showcase the wrestlers whom the sport is based around .
I did see someone try to make it an argument thread or at least in the eyes of those watching by claiming that is what it had turned into .
SPREADING ONE OF THESE TOURNAMENTS AROUND EACH YEAR AND PRMoting it properly IN THAT AREA COULD BRING MORE FANS AND MORE WRESTLERS TO THE SPORT SHOWCASING IT AND BUILDING IT UP COULD BE GREAT FOR THE FUTURE OF THE STATE .
And if some people want to argue more likely than not that to will keep some people Interested as well lol
I think know if everyone had the understanding that it would be held in a different section of the state each year for the purpose of spreading the sport to that area and all areas the travel issues would go away
1 hour ago, NatureBoy said:I didn't see where anyone was bickering ,just talking about ideas on where or how best to have state duals a tournament that if used correctly can spread and grow the sport thus adding more wrestlers and showcase the wrestlers whom the sport is based around .
I did see someone try to make it an argument thread or at least in the eyes of those watching by claiming that is what it had turned into .
SPREADING ONE OF THESE TOURNAMENTS AROUND EACH YEAR AND PRMoting it properly IN THAT AREA COULD BRING MORE FANS AND MORE WRESTLERS TO THE SPORT SHOWCASING IT AND BUILDING IT UP COULD BE GREAT FOR THE FUTURE OF THE STATE .
And if some people want to argue more likely than not that to will keep some people Interested as well lol
I like the thought of spreading it around, but let me take it one step further. what if we had a team host in an area that doesn't have wrestling, like Bowling Green. Promote it to death in that area and see if we can drudge up some more teams from that area. what do you think of that idea?
8 minutes ago, ccbcdeke said:I like the thought of spreading it around, but let me take it one step further. what if we had a team host in an area that doesn't have wrestling, like Bowling Green. Promote it to death in that area and see if we can drudge up some more teams from that area. what do you think of that idea?
I love the theory but Bowling Green isn't centrally located. Johnson Co is three hours from Lexington, which is three hours from Bowling Green. I think it needs to be centrally located to ensure that the best teams participate in the first place. Is there anywhere that's centrally located that does not have local wrestling programs?
If we could set up these locations years in advance. This would help. If everyone knew that the state duals were going to be held in Harlan County in 2018 and in Bowling Green in 2019 and in Lexington in 2020. That would give teams and fans plenty of time in advance to get ready for these events.
It wold also give these areas time to promote the event. Might even cause a school to start a team in advance of the tourney.
Everyone wants it central located. That is fine and dandy for the teams in the center of the state. They never travel and have the heart ache of finding transportation getting up early and coming home late. Its a good idea for other teams to have thees luxuries every once in a while.
Isn't a central location best for everyone though? Yes that means Johnson Central and Paducah Tighlman have to travel three hours every year. However isn't that better than having to travel six hours every other year?
16 hours ago, Nike Man said:I see both sides of this debate. I could easily argue it either way. Rather than doing that, how about moving it to Frankfort at the Civic Center? This could possibly fix the host team problem, it gives a central location, and it is one awesome venue to watch wrestling!!
Can not have wrestling anymore in the Civic Center since they reconfigured the floor and put ramps in.
I like it! But I would not know how you would get a school with no mats anywhere close to make it happen. I live in Lewis County there is not any teams in Mason, Lewis, Fleming, Bracken, Robertson, Carter , Rowan, Bath or Nicolas County's to my knowledge. That's a Huge geographical area to haul mats to and from.
25 minutes ago, Zeus said:Isn't a central location best for everyone though? Yes that means Johnson Central and Paducah Tighlman have to travel three hours every year. However isn't that better than having to travel six hours every other year?
No it is not good for everyone. Schools in or near Johnson Central and Paducah Tilghman will not travel that far all the time, for financial reasons. If every so often they get to stay home that increases the chances of starting another team. Beginner teams don't have the money to travel. Even after 5 or so years, (when they may have a chance to qualify) many still don't have the money to do so. Even if they don't qualify that beginner team can now have the opportunity to go and see the other quality teams participate.
If they travel 6 hours one year and stay at a hotel then the next they stay in their own beds they save money.
If they travel 3 hours every year and stay in hotels that is a cost every year.
here's an idea. what if teams that qualify coordinate to bring the mats. they are coming anyway. find someone with a trailer and bring the mats with you.
Whatever works or whatever the host team or school chooses or whatever the coaches or khsaa choose that will get the sport out there .just so it gets moved around ,I know a lot of people did not like it way across the state in union but it was a good thing and of course Union deserves it I have to say with their passion and drive in the sport with what they have to work with and what they have accomplished they are the premiere wrestling school in KY .
I know the yum center would be too large of a venue but there are several other options around louisvill such as the expo center, freedom hall or even mid america.
I just spoke with Coach Franky James and he proposed hosting small school at Lindsey Wilson and big school at Campbellsville University. I'm sure Coach Ruff would be on board as well. Campbellsville and Lindsey are only 18 miles apart. He suggested alternating each year for hosting small and big school. I love the idea, and it gives each school an equal opportunity at recruiting. After all Campbellsville is the geographical center of the state. So there can be no arguments for anyone on travel lol. I plan on being more involved with the coaches association and proposing this idea/plan for next year. After the winners are declared for each division we will host a college dual or tri between St. Catherine/Lindsey/Campbellsville. I think it would be an awesome environment.
Cutigers184-
that's a wonderful idea! It would make a great opportunity for campbellsville/Lindsey/st Catherine/Cumberland/ Thomas noe to see the talent pool to recruit. let's make this happen.
8 minutes ago, halfhalfhalf said:Cutigers184-
that's a wonderful idea! It would make a great opportunity for campbellsville/Lindsey/st Catherine/Cumberland/ Thomas noe to see the talent pool to recruit. let's make this happen.
I'm working on it as we speak. Coach James is on board I'm going to speak with coach Ruff this weekend. Franky is going to go on and reserve the gym at c ville for next year in hopes we get this ironed out.
I think the Expo Center in Pikeville or possibly something in McCracken County would be great. Let the central part of the state travel a little bit and they will see why teams like Union County, Johnson Central, Campbell County, Ryle, and Wayne County wrestle so many matches out of state.
On 1/27/2016 1:52:56, depperschmidt said:I like it! But I would not know how you would get a school with no mats anywhere close to make it happen. I live in Lewis County there is not any teams in Mason, Lewis, Fleming, Bracken, Robertson, Carter , Rowan, Bath or Nicolas County's to my knowledge. That's a Huge geographical area to haul mats to and from.
East Carter had a team for 5-10 years and had 1 state runner-up. The coach was an ROTC teacher and I think when he retired, so did their program.
Do we know what the duals will be? Do we know the pools? When will we know the pools???
There is a big difference between being the geographical center of the state and where the majority of wrestlers or population of the state Live .Moving the tournament takes all the arguing out of the equation but there are benefits to a few ideas .
I'm not 100 percent sure but I would say both those locations are south of about 85 percent of the population of KY
I agree with you nature boy. But it is a logical resolution to the problem and it promotes our in state college programs. It's 2.5 hours from union county and about 3 from Johnson central. It'll be 2.5 for me. (I'm just thinking on the farthest east and west teams that we have. I don't mind the drive and it would give the kids an extra push to wrestle hard if they are competing in front of college coaches.
I thought the idea was to promote the growth of high school wrestling, not college. But I'm not part of the coach's association, so...
Either way it is promoting high school wrestling, it is a high school event hosted by the KYWCA. Why not kill two birds with one stone and give kids a chance to showcase their talents in front of the states two best college programs?
Growing wrestling in KY must go through college and youth programs, I am convinced, not high school. Our high school wrestlers who compete in college are more likely to get involved in coaching, therefore further growing the sport, more than your average high school wrestler. By allowing our best wrestlers to compete in front of college coaches they will hopefully will become excited to compete on the next level, if they aren't already.
I see where everyone is getting at but those are not the only colleges in KY that offer wrestling and ,Getting more kids involved to begin with is more important than promoting the best two colleges in the state .my point was if everyone promoted the duals together and moved them around the state the FANS and the kids from youth up who may not get to see the best teams or kids would get to see a big tournament .
I'm all for promoting colleges but I'm sorry it looks like a recruitment ploy to me rather than an attempt to actually get the sport to grow keeping them at those locations does two things .keeps them stationary where only the people putting it on can profit and keeps those who live far away travelling there .
Spread the love and as I said there are more than those two colleges in the state who have wrestling .I believe Thomas Moore is D3 and they will be the only non naia school in the state what happens when they say hey we are Above naia and new we could actually benefit our team state and sport more than anyone else .
That's why I am a fan of hosting it at a venue, not a school (high school or college). If we move it around the state, is it possible to find 5 separate venues to rotate to? A north, south, east, west, and central location? If so, we shouldn't hear too many complaints about travel.
19 minutes ago, coachteater said:Just confirmed, Fern Creek is out. Ryle will replace them. This is from Coach McCoy
Sorry to hear that. Fern Creek was a tough Team. Does anybody know why the Large School DUALs are not posted in Track wrestling. I saw that the small school is already uploaded and the POOLS have been set. Is the Large School not using Track Wrestling.
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A bit off topic but , why is it that Campbellsville every year is ranked higher than Lindsey Wilson yet always end up losing to them when they dual ??
not being a jerk or potstirrer at all it just seems that every year about this time Campbellsville is ranked higher than Lindsey Then Lindsey beats them in a close one ,
Rankings are based on individual placings not duals. Campbellsville consistently places higher than Lindsey at Nationals.
It was a close dual as always, I know caston the 133 for CU missed weight so they forfeited.
I don't think that's necessarily the truth I actually thought Lindsey has placed Higher than Campbellsville at nationals most of the time over the last few years but I could be wrong ,again I know they are both good in NAIA and good period and it's always close between them
Seems Lindsey gets dissed a bit throughout the year then outperforms it's ranking ,I do understand and know the rules are different and they can pick up guys certain times of the year after the season has started and that changes things .
Also it would be neat or I wonder if either will move to D3 or D2 ever Notre Dame Ohio was very good NAIA and switched and used the rules to very much help create a powerhouse team Ruff seems very adept at recruiting and using rules to his and the teams advantage I would think Lindsey could make the switch and be successful at least to get a great start .
Not knocking Campbellsville at all everyone I have talked to who went there was a big fan .
I'm not able to follow Blue Raider Wrestling very closely; how is Stephan Myers doing? Haven't heard anything about him in a while.
CUTiger184, I assume those are the semi-finals? Any updates in the large school division?
Union's Results from State Duals:
Round 1: Union 71, Sheldon Clark 6
Round 2: Union 78, Boyle County 3
Round 3: Union 57, Walton Verona 10
Finals: Union 48, North Oldham 24
Undefeated wrestlers on the day:
106- Zeke Escalara (defeated #6 Roth), 120- Saul Ervin (defeated #2 Moore and #6 Oschenbein), 126- Bryce Sheffer, 132- Micah Ervin, 138- Chance Oxford, 145- Jackson Oxford (pinned #3 Smith in first period), 170- Avery Buckman, 195- Ross Hicks.
11 hours ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:Union's Results from State Duals:
Round 1: Union 71, Sheldon Clark 6
Round 2: Union 78, Boyle County 3
Round 3: Union 57, Walton Verona 10
Finals: Union 48, North Oldham 24
Undefeated wrestlers on the day:
106- Zeke Escalara (defeated #6 Roth), 120- Saul Ervin (defeated #2 Moore and #6 Oschenbein), 126- Bryce Sheffer, 132- Micah Ervin, 138- Chance Oxford, 145- Jackson Oxford (pinned #3 Smith in first period), 170- Avery Buckman, 195- Ross Hicks.
Dual with North Oldham was 48-27. That dual had 11 pins total. Union had 7 and North had 4.
It was an exciting matchup to watch. My son said that North had a good team but Union had a really good team. He was satisfied that they gave it their all but in the end the better team won.
North Oldham would have to be crazy to think they would beat Union. Yes they have some good wrestlers, but they definitely don't have the caliber wrestlers that Union has. In my opinion , NO's wrestlers are out of shape too. Their coach constantly has to run to the scorers table to question a call or the score so his boys can get a breather. I have witnessed this on several occasions when watching NO wrestle. Union wasn't the better team there...they were the best team that day. Go ahead and bash away, but this is my opinion. 
Irish wrestler , I don't understand where your hostility is coming from but I didn't see where anyone was bashing Union. They had a very good team and won because of that. It is taking everything I have to be civil to you so I wouldn't push it.
So what you're saying is that North Oldhams out of shape wrestlers were outmatched at every weight by Unions wrestlers and they were just lucky to get to share the mat with them that day.
6 hours ago, Irish Wrestler said:North Oldham would have to be crazy to think they would beat Union. Yes they have some good wrestlers, but they definitely don't have the caliber wrestlers that Union has. In my opinion , NO's wrestlers are out of shape too. Their coach constantly has to run to the scorers table to question a call or the score so his boys can get a breather. I have witnessed this on several occasions when watching NO wrestle. Union wasn't the better team there...they were the best team that day. Go ahead and bash away, but this is my opinion.
If everything was decided on paper then let's all just go home and not even wrestle a state tournament. Let me save $10 and avoid the Coke and hot dog. Any team can have an off day. You know what they say about opinions...
31 minutes ago, 385 said:If everything was decided on paper then let's all just go home and not even wrestle a state tournament. Let me save $10 and avoid the Coke and hot dog. Any team can have an off day. You know what they say about opinions...
I wish it was just $10! Lol!!!
I can't believe state is less than 3 weeks away..
I don't know who this guy is who posted but i know he doesn't represent the people from Union. I talked to several parents and wrestlers before and after the match and all were super nice. This was my first time to attend the state duals and I had a really good time talking to a lot of the families from all the different teams. Hopefully I'll see a lot of them at state this year.
19 hours ago, Irish Wrestler said:North Oldham would have to be crazy to think they would beat Union. Yes they have some good wrestlers, but they definitely don't have the caliber wrestlers that Union has. In my opinion , NO's wrestlers are out of shape too. Their coach constantly has to run to the scorers table to question a call or the score so his boys can get a breather. I have witnessed this on several occasions when watching NO wrestle. Union wasn't the better team there...they were the best team that day. Go ahead and bash away, but this is my opinion.
NO went into the finals at the State Duals to win it and wrestled their butts off. I can assure you there were multiple teams at the State Duals that contain wrestlers that equal the same caliber as Union. NO in fact tied with OC at the Super Duals with OC winning by criteria. I can tell you none of those wrestlers would begin to say NO wrestlers are out of shape and who won the Big School, that's right OC! For you to get on a public forum and insult a team of great wrestlers that have busted their A$$ to get where they are really shows your small mindedness. Just an FYI most men want to have a big tool not BE a big TOOL!!!
29 minutes ago, Knucklebump said:NO went into the finals at the State Duals to win it and wrestled their butts off. I can assure you there were multiple teams at the State Duals that contain wrestlers that equal the same caliber as Union. NO in fact tied with OC at the Super Duals with OC winning by criteria. I can tell you none of those wrestlers would begin to say NO wrestlers are out of shape and who won the Big School, that's right OC! For you to get on a public forum and insult a team of great wrestlers that have busted their A$$ to get where they are really shows your small mindedness. Just an FYI most men want to have a big tool not BE a big TOOL!!!
Just curious, how has OC performed against Union this year?
21 hours ago, Irish Wrestler said:North Oldham would have to be crazy to think they would beat Union. Yes they have some good wrestlers, but they definitely don't have the caliber wrestlers that Union has. In my opinion , NO's wrestlers are out of shape too. Their coach constantly has to run to the scorers table to question a call or the score so his boys can get a breather. I have witnessed this on several occasions when watching NO wrestle. Union wasn't the better team there...they were the best team that day. Go ahead and bash away, but this is my opinion.
I'm sure that the person who wrote this is not from Union. I have a good idea who it is.
Ok grasshopper, don't get yourself into a wad. I wasn't being hostile. You just took it that way. I stated in the post that it was my opinion and it is just that, my opinion. I was just pointing out that Union was the best team there Saturday. I have been around this sport for a long while. Union is always ready this time of year. Their record proves it.
I wasn't the only one who interpreted what you said as being over the top a bit. So by bashing one team you felt that you showed that the other was better? I had stated that Union was the better team and proved it by winning. Did you have a dog in this fight or were you just taking out some frustration out on someone?