Yes, it is post season time.  Regional tournaments will be kicking off in a little over 2 days.  Many of the brackets are already set up for the weekend.  Dutch and I have spent hours pouring over this stuff and could spend days more, but we will save that for the next round (prep for state).

Thanks again to all those who help with so much information.  Yes, a lot of it is out there on track, but some is not.  AND even with the track results there have been so, so many inconsistent results that it is very difficult to keep it all straight.

WR Rankings 2015_16 FEB10.pdf

Why is Meiman still ranked?

2 minutes ago, Hardwork15 said:

Why is Meiman still ranked?

From another thread, it looks like he will be wrestling 182 @ regionals...

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interesting....welcome back Johnny Meiman

Heard Oschenbein defeated Hurst this past weekend.

1 hour ago, PinAndWin said:

Heard Oschenbein defeated Hurst this past weekend.

True. 11-5. Dallas controlled match and threw him for 5 pt move in the 3rd period.   I think their record head to head stands at 8-1.  They'll meet again Saturday in the region finals.

I heard frietch pinned knight recently

I believe devaughn Richardson from fern creek is at 52 now 

Thank you, Ranger and Dutch!!! 

10 minutes ago, southern145 said:

I believe devaughn Richardson from fern creek is at 52 now 

I think you are right.

Travis Roberts is out

Jeremy Henahan is out

At 195 Lonkard beat tanner moser and Quentin Rayburn

Wow,  120 is stacked with talent! 

138 looks like a Ohio or Penn. bracket.

2 hours ago, depperschmidt said:

138 looks like a Ohio or Penn. bracket.

yep.  the top 3 in that weight are legit contenders on the national level imo

 Hate seeing a talented kid not be in the tournament ,as usual ignorant gossiping buffoons spreading false info .

138 IS TOUGH , no where near as deep as a Pa or Ohio tough but studs and national level guys at top as has been said . 120 the same and probably Deeper .

195 looks completely depleted except for the #1 spot and a couple former qualifiers ,If Frankrone suddenly dropped out or went to a different weight Einstein couldn't do the math to figure out a champ .The class above and below are full of refugees .

 The upper weights although more varied in weight differential offer the opportunity to adjust weight class sometimes more easily than the lower classes in HS.  

LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING SUPERSTAR SAUL as well as all those I have watched closely the last few years Smith Moore Roth and WV seem to have something special at their little school they should enjoy it it reminds me a little  of a school in Ohio who had four beasts at one time Monroeville only time will tell if they are here to stay experience tells me legends start at Home not at school as so many like to claim ,Power teams require power numbers and good coaches Legends or legend killers require far more than what comes walking through school doors endless hours outside and obsession on a rarely seen level  and doing things outside the box  .Best of luck to everyone it should be a great year except that a possible 3 xer may or may not be present and a whole community could not somehow have him see the greater good and how his presence could have inspired so many by simply making a few week run in a sport he was adept at .

Meiman as I suspected was just a rumor.  He's not in the regional bracket.

That stinks ,Good luck to Logan pin and tech through and win the OW .

At 145, #25 Hall,had 1st weekend of the season losses vs. 23 &24, but has since teched #24Crabtree at Hopkinsville tournament and beat #23 Coffing at WCI.  Hall and Coffing could not wrestle for 3/4 at Ft. Knox due to 5 match rule. 

Would somebody get back to the rankings topics instead of this nonsense. We all are someone special to ourselves. 

Soooo.....how about them rankings?!?! Haha! Good luck to everyone tomorrow!

How is Manns still ranked at 120 lb when he has lost 3 times to Lundy from South Oldham including yesterday for 3rd at region 5?  Lundy's record needs to be updated in the system to 27-14.

What system

and when you get to 15-25 they are not the all knowing.  They can't keep track of all matches and kids.  Mostly they are just guessing. 

Chill out your boy from SO probably lost to others as well. 

Track wrestling.  What's the point of guessing if it is not based on outcomes?

Not to sound like a jerk but, if he deserves to be ranked, he'll prove it this weekend. Ranger's rankings are not carved in stone, nor are they perfect. I'll one up GOO and say once you get past the top 10, it's just some other guys that are on the radar. Maybe Ranger should only rank the top 10 and then the rest can be labeled as "contenders" or "up and coming" that way no one is arguing over 16th and 17th, or whatever the case may be.

I agree with Nike and GOO. Stop complaining about people ranked after the top 15 or so, if they are good they will show it at state. Rankings don't win or lose a match.

23 minutes ago, Nike Man said:

Not to sound like a jerk but, if he deserves to be ranked, he'll prove it this weekend. Ranger's rankings are not carved in stone, nor are they perfect. I'll one up GOO and say once you get past the top 10, it's just some other guys that are on the radar. Maybe Ranger should only rank the top 10 and then the rest can be labeled as "contenders" or "up and coming" that way no one is arguing over 16th and 17th, or whatever the case may be.

d3wrestle.com does that. You have contenders and then honorable mention

http://www.d3wrestle.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Ranking_9_20160210.pdf

^^^^Nice!

RANKINGS ,over time help make or brake " some" kids mentally OR annoy those around kids who will have impact on that kid or wrestler it all depends on the situation or the kid some kids hear it over and over and believe others laugh at them knowing they mean little .

And it's not always rankers are good guys and complainers are bad not that that's the case with some any or any at all its just the facts of life .I have seen it forever from youth up some kids get the extra nod for whatever reason others get shoved under the rug until they open the door and throw the rug out and do it over and over .

Not complaining. Either rank based on outcome or don't bother

Exactly ,base rank on outcome  

I didn't activate an account to complain. The facts are that we as adults are not the only ones that look at the ranks and ask why.  I challenge anyone on this post to logically argue why a ranked wrestler that consistently loses to another unbanked wrestler still is tanked.  Do the home work or don't rank past 5.

Well ......that is a possibility if a ranked guy loses to an unranked guy all the time but beats ranked guys that that person loses to it makes sense some people do not match up well against others it's the total body of work that rankings should be based on.

State brackets are interesting. Should be some good matches in the quarters. 

17 minutes ago, DrBaker said:

Have you guys looked at the state brackets? They are a mess. The seeds at 145 make no sense. The number 1 guy is 24?

They do not seed state tournament,  it's random draw

Does Frankrone have a serious injury? 

1 hour ago, coachteater said:

They do not seed state tournament,  it's random draw

I see that now. My mistake. 

2 hours ago, Knob said:

I didn't activate an account to complain. The facts are that we as adults are not the only ones that look at the ranks and ask why.  I challenge anyone on this post to logically argue why a ranked wrestler that consistently loses to another unbanked wrestler still is tanked.  Do the home work or don't rank past 5.

Ok I will take a few precious free moments to waste my time on a response. 

1 - first I challenge you to get yourself educated before you start this debate; you want to spout off with an attitude you better know what you are talking about

2 - you think you can do better then I challenge you to have at it; as many who try can tell you it ain't easy. Sure it sounds simple to say base it on results, but as you have already referenced not all coaches do a very good job of reporting results in a timely manner and even the guys who do this for a living will tell you results can often be very contradictory

3 - let me repeat something I often have to remind folks over the years. You remember the one good kid your kid has beat and conveniently ignore the losses such as unranked Grabow, Henry, Gadd, Andreoni, Seibert, Murrer on top of losses to #21 Husseini and #24 Caggiano. On top of that it looks like Manns is his only ranked win. Manns also has some unranked losses (including Lundy) but has multiple wins over kids who beat Lundy and a win over Metcalf

4 - bottom line if you don't like it don't read it

Ranger drops the mic and walks away. 

Bam

#shutyourmouth

Before you spout off, check your grammar. Stomped adreoni at woodford

Check your spelling. Lost to Andreoni at 5 Star. 

If you would like I will make sure they are both unbanked with this next update. Tanking is all on you. 

Hey Ranger, just wondering if you have ever considered my suggestion from earlier. Only rank the top 10 and then list 10 or so contenders (in no particular order.) It may even lighten your load a little. Just a though..

Give ranger a pay raise and maybe he'll be able to quit his job and do nothing but rankings. But that still won't change the afore mentioned unranked losses your kid has that you're ignoring. I will never understand the idiots who take personally what someone does out of the kindness of his or her heart. Even if your kid does get ranked 20th... Congrats... That's not gonna bring home a medal from state.

I don't know you personally ranger, but it seems like you're pissing in the wind with some of the people.  I want to tell you thanks for all your unpaid hard work!! I'm sure you would enjoy going home and not look at the outcome of 500 tournaments, and maybe even spend some well deserved time with the family,  but you keep trucking on. I wish the best for you and your family, good job this year ranger, and again, thank you!! 

I know he lost to him at the 5 star.  He figured about how to keep a wrestler from stalling and dominated him at Woodford Invitational.  I could care less whether Lundy is ranked on your post.  My point from the beginning is that these rankings appear more based on name recognition and less on outcome.  What about Dallas O?  I have watched him dominate Tucker twice this year.  Just asking this forum be straight forward about how kids are being ranked.

Knob, I've got a question for you. By your logic, does everyone who finished in front of Frankrone at regions move ahead of him in the rankings?

47 minutes ago, Knob said:

I know he lost to him at the 5 star.  He figured about how to keep a wrestler from stalling and dominated him at Woodford Invitational.  I could care less whether Lundy is ranked on your post.  My point from the beginning is that these rankings appear more based on name recognition and less on outcome.  What about Dallas O?  I have watched him dominate Tucker twice this year.  Just asking this forum be straight forward about how kids are being ranked.

lol buddy let it go.  what the heck does it matter if your kid is ranked 20th?

11 hours ago, Nike Man said:

Hey Ranger, just wondering if you have ever considered my suggestion from earlier. Only rank the top 10 and then list 10 or so contenders (in no particular order.) It may even lighten your load a little. Just a though..

sometimes, but the full ranking comes in handy this week as we predict how the bracket plays out and going back to rank 11-30 would be impossible at the last minute. Plus I think the consensus was this approach was better when I just did a list for ms (everyone wanted them ranked). 

Dallas O. Now there is a good question. Yes he beat Hurst pretty good at the Mustang. But up to that point I believe Hurst had beat him like 8 straight times (including 2 majors earlier in the year). That one match did not change their history or how I viewed them in relation to one another. Besides when you are taking about two top kids it is not out of the question for one to be off and the other on and change a result. Not to mention the kid with the 8-1 record in this discussion is a for are state champ and multiple time state placer. 

BUT, with Dallas winning two in a row and a region final that plays huge in the state bracket that ranking will change this week. 

NOTE: simple questions are received much better than punk call outs

Mike Klein should be ranked 26th

1 minute ago, EatBread said:

Mike Klein should be ranked 26th

He doesn't like the number 5

27 minutes ago, EatBread said:

He doesn't like the number 5

26 is a good number. What about going Jordan/Lebron and take 23?

41 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:

26 is a good number. What about going Jordan/Lebron and take 23?

23 would work out the best

You can drop my kid down in the rankings , just fuel for the fire the way I look at it . 

Sparh  at 138 looked good at regional after giving up a very quick td to start the match he hung in and got the win and probably could have gotten another point early off of a stalling , He can wrestle and physically he looks more impressive than everyone else he wrestles .He should have legit shot at a win if he doesn't get some kind of injury like he seems to get every year ,Erdman just seems to be having a peaking issue be it physical or mental or both it will be interesting to see if he can change his game plan up to fit hos needs ,he can certainly still win it all but it looks wide open With them Vasquez Binder and the rest .

Like I said before, 138 is a free for all. ANY of the top 5 could pull off a great weekend and take it home. makes for exciting matchups.

It looks that way NOW I think each have their own strengths and flaws but I would stand by anything I posted about Erdman he scored so fast in the match I didn't even get a chance to see what happened ,I think it's a matter of timing and finding himself and what he needs to do to be the step above everyone  he can and has been .You have to bring it.physically I would say Sparh and Binder appear dominant physically  but Sparh I think has been at this weight longer than the others I just do not want to see some Injury keep him out of doing better I have rooted for him year after year and it never fails some  injury keeps him from reaching his potential .The word injury prone comes to mind immediately whenever I start to think of him .Perhaps this is the year for him perhaps not I tend to cheer for those who go above and beyond Erdman used to and I do not know what most do outside the regular season. All I know is where I go and I see kids like Yenter Wells after season at freestyle greco events Sparh not so much .Knowing CC what little I do a lot is expected of its SRs  I hope he does bring it as he did at regional I'm sure it was a big boost to him and if he's on he will be a Champ .I have yet to see him be on at State though .

You are absolutely right, Erdman has all the tools to bring it home. Question is will he? which one of the top 5 is going to have the performance of their career and take the cake? Vasquez, Erdman, Johnson, Bindner, Spahr. one of these fellas is going to have a weekend worth remembering!

I will be the first to congratulate Sparh on a great win.  However anyone that saw the match saw Logan run out of gas.  I was giving him pediatlyte to get his electrolytes back after he threw his guts up for about an hour after his Tech performance in the semis.  Again, great win, but you may see a rejuvenated Logan at State.  We shall see how it unfolds very soon.

I will say that Sparh is very capable.  Can he beat Angel in the semis?  I think its very possible.  Hopefully they meet in the finals.

2 hours ago, Wky said:

You can drop my kid down in the rankings , just fuel for the fire the way I look at it . 

Sorry you are not afforded that extra motivation any longer. 

Agreed.  All mentioned above can win it.

I believe we are about to see a 7th grade 106 kid wreck some hopes and dreams. Escalara is a beast, and is definitely going to show what hard work and ambition is!! And on a side note, what a great kid to be around, got to love him! Good luck to all of the wrestlers this weekend. Oh, good luck to my Apollo family this weekend!!

There was a 7th grader just a few years ago by the name of Trevor Lawson that wrecked some hopes and dreams at State as well. He was about as close as you can be to winning it, much like Mark Hall. I look forward to seeing Escalera at State. I love seeing young talent. Does Escalera have a favorable draw? 

Cagen Wallace (an undefeated kid who is very tough and my pick to win state) vs. Escalara in the quarters.

HALL was not a 106 lber,I saw a seventh grader nearly win 106 at region 6 there are some stud 7th graders out there it looks good for the future of KY wrestling ,Good stuff,Then again how many 106 lb High school kids are there ???

I think so, but as he advances, he will see Cagan Wallace! That one will be a great one to watch!! The  #2 against young Escalara ranked #6!! That's saying that they both advance, I've seen some strange things happen at state. I've learned that some kids show up on the big stage, and some freeze up, it still doesn't take away from all the hard hard work each wrestler put in throughout the year. I'm just excited to see how it all shakes out, and I'll beat this to death, but good luck to all the wrestlers, the #1s all the way through! 

I agree 100%, Cagan is a force to reckon with, he's one of my favorite kids to watch. Wow, great matt awareness, and is definitely one that can take a state title home! Just think it's going to be fun to watch Zeke and Cagan go at it, I'll definitely be watching that one if I can.

Does Escalara even weigh 106?  I saw he won state at 80 lbs last season, THATS TINY (whereas Yost won it at 105, Wheeler at 98). I  look forward to seeing this kid in action but I'm gonna hold off on crowning him the next Brock until I see him lock up in the 3rd period with a guy that weighs about 110  30 mins after weigh-ins and walks into practice on Mondays at 115.  There are some stout little 106ers out there.

NatureBoy, I know that Mark wasn't a 106, I was just making a comparison of two 7th graders that were very close to winning the State Tournament. I absolutely agree that we have some excellent 7th graders and 8th graders alike. 

I think so, but as he advances, he will see Cagan Wallace! That one will be a great one to watch!! The  #2 against young Escalara ranked #6!! That's saying that they both advance, I've seen some strange things happen at state. I've learned that some kids show up on the big stage, and some freeze up, it still doesn't take away from all the hard hard work each wrestler put in throughout the year. I'm just excited to see how it all shakes out, and I'll beat this to death, but good luck to all the wrestlers, the #1s all the way through! 

I'm definitely not crowning zeke, just think he's a fun kid to watch. I think you're right, he's not much over 100 pounds!

17 hours ago, [email protected] said:

I'm definitely not crowning zeke, just think he's a fun kid to watch. I think you're right, he's not much over 100 pounds!

I'm excited to see him in action!  If nothing else he's got a great name.