Topic ID: 12679 | 36 Posts
WOODFORD County , a lot of schools with pride and love cheering on their kids year in and out at state ,Union Oldham And everyone else but let's face it Woodford has it their whole team and fans come to win and cheer on their kids .From the Chants to the blonde hair .
Very impressive they should take their act on the road wherever Team KY goes and bring that to the rest of the Country
And their team is decent too lol
Yes. He essentially started the match down 4-0 before putting on an absolute takedown clinic. But it was just scary, I had a good view of his face from where I was sitting. He was unconscious for maybe 5-6 seconds before they even pulled Nevels off of his throat.
Joey is a warrior. There was no doubt that he was going to continue and ultimately put on a clinic. Like Woodford or not, their kids are warriors and their coaches and fans are extremely passionate! Hail Woodford!
Woodford DID do a great job at cheering on their teammates, BUT they also did a GREAT deal of booing and THAT IS UNEXEPTABLE!!!!
Lol like I said I would like to throw rocks at Em at times but that is the way they show love for their own .everyone boos bad calls or questionable ones that effect their guy .I have seen trinity fans "Women " Curse at young kids on the mat from the stands it's not like Woodford is Evil or doing things other fans do not they just do it as a group .
HATS OF TO THEM .ONE OF MY FIRST EXPERIENCES AT KY STATE WAS A MOM CURSING ME IN THE STANDS,A Woodford mom ,of course I was mad but later came to like her son it's all good I have no bitterness to someone showing their love of child team or sport .
GROW UP AND GROW SOME THICK SKIN AND GUESS WHAT.State is over move on to the next challenge .
Like who is going to rep KY in the off season at Nat or freestyle greco Fargo prove who you are and what your worth is on the mat .maybe those boos can get turned into cheers .
NATURE BOY SAYS WHOOOOO
WETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT THE BEST IS THE BEST AND WHO EVER PROVES IT THE MOST WILL go down as the best.
Angel a true champ knew he proved it and more often than most thus he handled it like a true champ .just like the other kid I was talking about did only he kicked more and bigger but at nat a few months later while not so tough pretender champs stayed home .
Let the fans or teammates or in some cases brothers settle the score that day and settle your own scores next go around.
5 hours ago, 385 said:Yes. He essentially started the match down 4-0 before putting on an absolute takedown clinic. But it was just scary, I had a good view of his face from where I was sitting. He was unconscious for maybe 5-6 seconds before they even pulled Nevels off of his throat.
I did not see what exactly happened even though it was on the mat right on front of me. People around me were saying he was choked out. Others said he tapped. Either or, if he was unconscious at all - he should not have been permitted to continue. I did not see any penalty points awarded and therefore The Wayne County wrestler should have been awarded the victory as a medical default.
Whoa if it's the match I saw the kid layed out for a bit I didn't see what happened BUT if he was choked out that's a potential dangerous had he not continued he would have been awarded the W if it's the match I'm thinking off the kid who was out won anyway so it all worked out !!
As much as I like mma and pro wrestling in HS wrestling if you choke the guy out you do not win !!!
1 hour ago, tiltfor3 said:I did not see what exactly happened even though it was on the mat right on front of me. People around me were saying he was choked out. Others said he tapped. Either or, if he was unconscious at all - he should not have been permitted to continue. I did not see any penalty points awarded and therefore The Wayne County wrestler should have been awarded the victory as a medical default.
He was choked out and it looked like he was thoroughly checked out by the on site athletic trainer. From my view they brought over plenty of officials to discuss what happened and even talked with the trainer.
If the Woodford athlete was not able to still compete from the choke, the Wayne Co athlete should have been DQ'ed and the Woodford wrestler should have been awarded the win. Someone correct me if I am wrong on this.
No correction needed, you are correct tccx. Tilt, being choked out and being knocked out are 2 totally different situations.
He was completely unconscious and on his back, for what I want to say was close to 20 seconds or so before he started moving again. The ref did not call whatever hold was being applied illegal, and since Joey was on his back when the match was stopped (him being turned right over with absolutely no resistance at all is what alerted myself and the friend I was sitting with) the referee after what seemed like 6 or 7 minutes of deliberation and arguing with coaches and checking back with the trainers several times awarded Nevels 4 points total (I'm assuming two takedown and two back points) and Joey resumed the match in the down position. I believe before the first period was over Joey was winning the match 12-6
According to the rules if a wrestler is unconsious he may NOT continue. He may not resume wrestling until a doctor releases him to compete again. If he was unconcious then he should not have completed the match. Regarless of what the athletic trainer says. As Nature Boy said those are the rules.
8 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:According to the rules if a wrestler is unconsious he may NOT continue. He may not resume wrestling until a doctor releases him to compete again. If he was unconcious then he should not have completed the match. Regarless of what the athletic trainer says. As Nature Boy said those are the rules.
Yep. This happened to one of my wrestlers last year at Middle School state (ironically against a Woodford County kid)...except the ref never saw my wrestler pass out (despite my yelling). Wrestler ends up on his back and gets pinned. Match over, no recourse. Ultimately he was cleared to wrestle but couldn't finish his next match.
a number of refs all season even at the state tournament rarely get into position to call a pin let alone see if a kid is choked out. not sure if its laziness, or health issues that they can't get into position?
Seen some awfully quick pins get shorted a few seconds because of an out of position. Or shape ref ,But hey someone's got to do it so let's not hate on Em to bad for being out of shape ,As for kids getting hurt ,You have to watch it .As for Roberts had he been declared unconscious and taken out his tournament would have ended ,As a kid with an obvious warrior spirit and nature I'm sure he's glad he got to continue even with getting choked out ,
Now if it's the match I saw ,And this is just me personally and this is what I saw and it Pi $$+d me off quite a bit .
The opponent of the kid was pacing around and very close to the kid who was down and not in a concerned look he was fired up pacing tensely like he was ready to go make no mistake had I been the father of the kid down I would have been on the mat and if some kid who had hurt mine or choked him out been pacing around like he was a tough guy like that kid WAS he would have had a bad day no matter his age or his daddy or coach it would have been on he deserved the but whipping he got .
I saw one of the people on the floor tell him to get in his corner of course people will say he was concerned or make excuses but I know the difference in have seen the blood lust look and had it kids need to know if someone gets hurt you go to your own corner and stay .it really made me mad .Glad the kid came back and won even though I understand getting all wound up kid still should have stayed in his corner .
21 hours ago, 385 said:Yes. He essentially started the match down 4-0 before putting on an absolute takedown clinic. But it was just scary, I had a good view of his face from where I was sitting. He was unconscious for maybe 5-6 seconds before they even pulled Nevels off of his throat.
Wait a minute. Roberts was knocked unconscious during a match and was allowed to continue?
1 hour ago, purpleandgold said:Wait a minute. Roberts was knocked unconscious during a match and was allowed to continue?
Not "knocked" unconscious but "choked" unconscious. 100% limp and purple in the face. I was in the stands. Don't shoot the messager.
My guess is that it was determined that although choked, he did not lose consciousness. However, he was out.....
Is this correctable? How may points did Roberts score in that round for a major? OC was behind WC by 10.
I'm getting confused here :I know easy thing to happen right "
Are people mad he Continued?Are they mad at refs for letting him because of potential danger ,I'm betting some are mad he won ,Not sure about it all but in this. Case it all worked out ,If the choke out was due to an illegal hold points should have been awarded or someone dqued. And maybe ref should have been on top of it a bit quicker takes a few seconds to get choked out it isn't instantaneous .
If a rule was broken and is correctable, it should be corrected.
I don't think anyone is mad except Danny Upchurch. That also leads me to believe that the Woodford kid was not unconscious. Upchurch knows his stuff and was totally in control while they were tending the injured wrestler. The WC coaching staff, not so much. But, I think they may have been more upset that there wasn't a penalty.
roberts would beat nevells 10 out of 10 times. 8 of them majors. the wayne kid was over matched and tried to choke out Joey. It should've been a penalty point and possible DQ. none of it matters tho bc refs let them continue and nevells got worked like a team of mules for the next 5 mins by a guy who was out cold just a few minutes prior.
Well that's one way of putting :)it but yes I watched it and the kid posturing around the kid who was laid out seemed to be asking for it but it's wrestling kids get fired up at times ,Still should have stayed in his corner while everyone attended to the downed kid .
IT was a strange year some of the clear favorites out and some smack talk coming in ,It's all good if you back it up but hey now is the time the real studs get tested ,Heidorf Duncan Andreoni Frankrone and Cornett Castellano and many others hit nationals If your a Sr and a true stud don't be shy go see how good you really are ,I read somewhere earlier that 138 had 4 national level guys well proove it is all I can say ,
LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR IF KID SAYS HIS COLLEGE COACH does not want him wrestling ,He's a liar if a coach does say it he's an idiot lol
NHSCA Fargo Flo Nat All coming up if you think you were robbed or you can back your game up,show up a place or two and prove it otherwise just be a big fish in the lake of KY.Cornett Andreoni and some others I am sure will head out and head hunt while pretenders stay at Home .If it's travel and cash Cen regionals are not to far and you might get a pass to Fargo .It's like American Idol only it's wrestling ,Show up earn a top 3 spot and guess what Your Goin to Fargo the Vegas of the wrestling world .
Shout out to Tyler Frankrone ,Saw his IRON MAN MATCH I WOULD PICK HIM OVER DARMSTADT ANY DAY OF THE WEEK .ALL THE OW TALK WOULD NOT HAVE MATTERED HAD HE SHOWN UP IMO REGARDLESS OF A SUPER DUCK AND EVERYONE AT 138 HE REPPED MORE FOR THE STATE THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE TOURNAMENT LAST YR .
Next yr Cornett will be ow I would guess
Shout Out to real Warriors
Reuschell,Myers ,Fausz,Myers
Former SR All Americans from reg 6
Tilt, according to your post, Danny "Upchurch knows his stuff" lol, but the "WC coaching staff, not so much." Please explain your expert opinion.
6 hours ago, tiltfor3 said:If a rule was broken and is correctable, it should be corrected.
I don't think anyone is mad except Danny Upchurch. That also leads me to believe that the Woodford kid was not unconscious. Upchurch knows his stuff and was totally in control while they were tending the injured wrestler. The WC coaching staff, not so much. But, I think they may have been more upset that there wasn't a penalty.
Believe what you want, it doesnt change the facts. The young man from Woodford was 100% unconcscious. I watched it happen. He was bellied out and turned over as easily as if you picked up a dollar bill and flipped it over, when flipped over he was visibly purple in the face, and not moving. After what seemed about 20 seconds or so he started twitching and finally moving his hands under control.
I didnt bring this up to start an argument about refs or what should have happened, nobody wants to be a ref put in that situation. The ONLY way that situation could have been worse for a ref is if it is in the finals. Mr.Shaw himself came over to help the situation and pulled out the rule book several times, referred to the trainer several times as well. I dont know if Mr.Shaw is active on these forums but maybe he could comment if so. The WC coaches were visibly upset because i believe they wanted an illegal hold and penalty points, instead of their wrestler starting down 0-4. But again I was only in the stands. Excellent job and admirable heart by the young man Joey Roberts.
Are you ready ?Are you ready ?
LET'S GET IT ON.
ALL LUCKY HE WAS OK AND I DOUBT ANYONE WANTED TO KEEP A KID FROM COMPETING AT STATE I THINK IT WAS HANDLED WELL JUST SO THE KID CAME TO HIS SENSES AND HAD ALL HIS MOTOR SKILLS AND STUFF AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF .
HE WRESTLED LIKE A BEAST AFTERWARDS PERHAPS HE SHOULD GET CHOKED OUT MORE OFTEN LOL
I KNOW NOT FUNNY,glad he was OK .
Seems all the I juries came at regionals.although Portman seemed to hurt his ankle .
23 hours ago, NatureBoy said:If it's travel and cash Cen regionals are not to far and you might get a pass to Fargo .It's like American Idol only it's wrestling ,Show up earn a top 3 spot and guess what Your Goin to Fargo the Vegas of the wrestling world .
Central Regionals has moved from Indianapolis and is in Kalamazoo, MI this year
20 hours ago, Nike Man said:Tilt, according to your post, Danny "Upchurch knows his stuff" lol, but the "WC coaching staff, not so much." Please explain your expert opinion.
Upchurch does know his stuff relative to the rules. The comment regarding the WC coaching staff was pertaining to being in control. To that end, I am sure I would have been just as emotional were it my wrestler I believed to have been choked out illegally. Rules being rules, the WC kid should have been a injury default. It wasn't. One must assume that he was never unconscious.
After re-reading your post that I commented on, I see what you were saying. And I agree about Upchurch knowing the rules, although I have my own feelings as to his ethics. After wanting to receive an injury default win for his wrestler after an illegal hold was used was ridiculous. He can be upset all he wants, the better and more deserving wrestler prevailed and should have won by DQ.
I have a long history with Danny dating back to when Woodford, Wayne and Oldham County were in the same district. As previously stated, I thought Upchurch was more in control. I'll not comment on ethics.
Why do you say it was an illegal hold? I did not see it and there were no penalty points awarded. That is why him never losing consciousness is the only logical conclusion.
Normally you wouldn't see coaches react in such a manner unless they are protecting a kid. I can't tell you if he was unconscious or not, I'm not a doctor. I can only assume that no penalty points were awarded because the referee was in over his head and had no clue how to handle the situation. He may not have seen the choke, but the evidence was obvious. What would happen if a ref didn't see a kid bite the other kid, but was shown the teeth marks during a break in the action?
3 hours ago, Nike Man said:What would happen if a ref didn't see a kid bite the other kid, but was shown the teeth marks during a break in the action?
I know for sure of one ref in Indiana that DQs him on the spot. I've seen others let it go and write it off as an unfortunate result of a cross face against the mouth.