Finally settling down after all of the holiday chaos; Dutch and I powered through 5+ hours last night of track research and made some good updates.  A major item to note.  We have dropped a few kids this edition.  In the previous post, we removed kids who we did not see a fat test for.  This time we have removed kids who have not competed (or only 1-2 matches) unless we know it is a special circumstance and we have information on when the kid will return to action.  If coaches are not keeping track up to date there isn't much we can do about that.

Teams - at this point Union is starting to pull away from the field a bit, with a super tight pack from 2-4 and 5 not far behind.  With Union sending virtually the entire lineup to Lexington they will be hard to beat.  But I do see the battle for a team trophy being pretty exciting after that with finals matches and bonus points potentially deciding the final order.

Not much movement at the top of each weight with the following exceptions:

- Daniel Knight finally makes 108 and will be a top contender

- Miller edges Bender in WCI finals

- Castellano returns to action and should be one of the top 132s

- the movement between 145 & 152 is a mess

- it sounds like Johnson Central lineup will shift down, but who knows

- 220 keeps losing top end kids

Now that we should be able to get into a better routine, we will try to update every week to 10 days.

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Trinity is down this year. Not used to seeing them ranked that low.

Steven Brown (Doss, 4th at 220) plans to wrestle 195 from this point forward. 

The cream has risen to to top. Season gets more and more exciting!

1 hour ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

Trinity is down this year. Not used to seeing them ranked that low.

It's a surprisingly down year for them. Interested to see how they bounce back in the next couple years. It is hard to recover losing a trio like Heidorf, Barton, and Frankrone

1 minute ago, FalconWrestling said:

It's a surprisingly down year for them. Interested to see how they bounce back in the next couple years. It is hard to recover losing a trio like Heidorf, Barton, and Frankrone

Think you mean quad  - Duncan

 How does Walton Verona and Madison Central jump over Woodford in the dual rankings? 

12 hours ago, Nike Man said:

 How does Walton Verona and Madison Central jump over Woodford in the dual rankings? 

Woodford has no upper weights besides Max/Varble.  I think they even forfeit a class or two.  Lost a dual to Larue and it wasn't even close.  Still a contender for top 3 at state tourney because their lower weights are so good. But I'm not sure they'll make up too much of a difference when Tylan Tucker returns because his replacements have been winning matches (even won WCI).  I think Woodford was a little overrated pre season and now are closer to their actual dual/indiv. ranking.  Need to get more big guys to come out for wrestling if they ever want to get back to winning state team titles, Coach Parks certainly has the lower weights he needs to win big.

13 hours ago, Nike Man said:

 How does Walton Verona and Madison Central jump over Woodford in the dual rankings? 

I actually didn't even notice that before posting. BUT, Just like the team rankings for individual state, the dual team rankings are formula driven. So as kids' rankings adjust, the projected dual scores adjust. For example, if a kid drop from #8 to #20 instead of giving up a major to the #2 kid the formula assumes he will get pinned. I'm not sure what drove that change in the dual rankings, but I will say those 3 appear to be very very close (essentially a tie in the formula). 

CradleKY, you make some very good points. Woodford does need bigs for sure. Tucker's "replacement" has been solid. The Larue dual was actually pretty close and I believe Woodford was forfeiting 2 or 3 weights that night. Not taking anything away from Larue, I believe that their coaching staff is bringing them back to their winning ways. 

Ranger, I didn't realize that the dual rankings were formula based. I assumed head to head dual results were the driving force. The Madison Central vs Woodford duals have been pretty close with Woodford winning both times. Definitely going to be a fun last few weeks of the season. 

Kind of curious, how can you rank, Alex Thompson (South Oldham) and  Malik Cunningham (Trigg) above two individuals they just finished behind at the Christian County Tournament on 30 Dec? 

how can you put larue county below john hardin? they placed higher than them at WCI, and they beat every team that faced john hardin at the Oldham county super duals?

Geesh people.   There is a rhyme and reason for Ranger's Rankings.  

If it is individual rankings you are concerned about you need to look at the entire season of every individual.  One win or loss may not move a person up or down. 

If it is a team ranking.  This is what he believes they will place at state.  One big dog (state champion) may score more points at a state tourney they all of another team.  Even if that other team beat them in a dual or a smaller tourney.  

If you have things to add, such as wins against or losses against.  (Most people forget about the losses) then post them, but please give all the info.  Not "Hey he beat so and so at the so ans so tourney" and forget to mention the losses that person may have against others. 

2 hours ago, Nike Man said:

CradleKY, you make some very good points. Woodford does need bigs for sure. Tucker's "replacement" has been solid. The Larue dual was actually pretty close and I believe Woodford was forfeiting 2 or 3 weights that night. Not taking anything away from Larue, I believe that their coaching staff is bringing them back to their winning ways. 

Ranger, I didn't realize that the dual rankings were formula based. I assumed head to head dual results were the driving force. The Madison Central vs Woodford duals have been pretty close with Woodford winning both times. Definitely going to be a fun last few weeks of the season. 

Larue won 48-36 over Woodford and then lost the next week to Simon Kenton 48-33 and later in the season beat Meade and Wayne Co by smaller margins than they beat Woodford.  I know the transitive property doesn't work on comparing dual teams but just adding context.  

If I may add something here, dual and tournament standings are two different things. In a dual format, you have to wrestle the team and coach in front of you. I have heard a lot of people say "so and so was missing" "things would be different" but what it comes down to is you wrestle the team in front of you. If a team fills their roster with decent to really good kids, that beats a half team of really good kids. Also it's about match-ups, a coach may bump up or down to get those match-ups that are favorable. A good tournament team, ie: Hoptown of the 90's can have 5-6 really good kids and make some noise at state. A good dual team, is usually a full roster with solid kids at almost every weight, ie: LaRue of late 90's to 2010's. Everyone is correct above, that's the exciting thing about duals anything can happen.

Ranger I think you do a good job doing these rankings, you are very knowledgeable about this and do predict well come state. But ultimately this is forum board and people should lighten up about rankings. Rankings never gave anyone a medal at state tournament.  

1 hour ago, opinional_start said:

Kind of curious, how can you rank, Alex Thompson (South Oldham) and  Malik Cunningham (Trigg) above two individuals they just finished behind at the Christian County Tournament on 30 Dec? 

Did those two wrestle the wrestlers ranked ahead of them??  Tournament finish, isn't nearly as important as head to head, common opponent, etc.  it's about a body of work, rather than where you finish in one tourney.

WOODFORD LOSES TO LARUE, LARUE LOSES TO SK, AND IN A HUGE TOURNEY WV EDGES OUT SK ,DIFFERENT FORMATS BUT IT'S NOT A HUGE LEAP OF FAITH TO THINK WV WOULD GET THE NOD OVER WOODFORD .just saying .On another note they both probably have forfeits at some weights .Like to see Andreoni and Cornett wrestle and before someone's ....get in a bunch I know Cornett beat him in freestyle or something it just seems to be the big match up .Not that I'm saying all the big possible lightweight matchups remind me of a rooster fight or anything jk.

6 hours ago, rjs4470 said:

Did those two wrestle the wrestlers ranked ahead of them??  Tournament finish, isn't nearly as important as head to head, common opponent, etc.  it's about a body of work, rather than where you finish in one tourney.

That is why I mentioned it. if they had not wrestled then I get it but when a guy has a win over you then it is rather obvious. 

12 hours ago, opinional_start said:

Kind of curious, how can you rank, Alex Thompson (South Oldham) and  Malik Cunningham (Trigg) above two individuals they just finished behind at the Christian County Tournament on 30 Dec? 

Well first off all we had for results from that event were the placers that were listed; no brackets. So unless you expected us to become Jedis and use the force I have little idea who beat who at that event. Once coaches get track updated we have a better idea, but still not like seeing how the bracket played out. Second, as has been mentioned you can't ignore losses. Yes it is nice to focus on the big wins over a higher ranked kid, but that doesn't cancel out losses to lower ranked kids. 

4 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

Well first off all we had for results from that event were the placers that were listed; no brackets. So unless you expected us to become Jedis and use the force I have little idea who beat who at that event. Once coaches get track updated we have a better idea, but still not like seeing how the bracket played out. Second, as has been mentioned you can't ignore losses. Yes it is nice to focus on the big wins over a higher ranked kid, but that doesn't cancel out losses to lower ranked kids. 

Well rankings really do not mean much until the state tournament is over. I am guessing you will have the results then to complete. 

For those that aren't happy with Ranger's rankings, remember, he does this for us - without accepting any compensation and to create chatter. It's not a personal attack. The rankings should inspire our kids, not upset them. If you feel your kid isn't ranked high enough keep it under your hat. They know if they're ranked and it has to be up to them to work hard and improve. Thank God wrestling doesn't hand out participation ribbons!!!

Thank you,  Ranger, for your time and effort. Can't wait to see who was underestimated this February and where the upsets occur!

31 minutes ago, DevilDad said:

For those that aren't happy with Ranger's rankings, remember, he does this for us - without accepting any compensation and to create chatter. It's not a personal attack. The rankings should inspire our kids, not upset them. If you feel your kid isn't ranked high enough keep it under your hat. They know if they're ranked and it has to be up to them to work hard and improve. Thank God wrestling doesn't hand out participation ribbons!!!

Thank you,  Ranger, for your time and effort. Can't wait to see who was underestimated this February and where the upsets occur!

Yep.  And if you go back and look at past results, usually his rankings end up close to spot on.  Sure a few kids sometimes outwrestle their ranking, but these rankings usually get a lot more right, than wrong.

11 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

Well first off all we had for results from that event were the placers that were listed; no brackets. So unless you expected us to become Jedis and use the force I have little idea who beat who at that event. Once coaches get track updated we have a better idea, but still not like seeing how the bracket played out. Second, as has been mentioned you can't ignore losses. Yes it is nice to focus on the big wins over a higher ranked kid, but that doesn't cancel out losses to lower ranked kids. 

I believe the plural form of Jedi is Jedi. 

 ^^^That guy!

There you have it Ranger is a Sith anyway not a Jedi Ranger and Dutch just like the Emperor and Vader .

53 minutes ago, NatureBoy said:

There you have it Ranger is a Sith anyway not a Jedi Ranger and Dutch just like the Emperor and Vader .

Does that mean the rankings committee was the Jedi Council?

Are they at odds with Ranger and Dutch? I am not wise in the ways of politics , Sith are sworn enemies of Jedi!!

DID RANGER HAVE DUTCH KILL THEM ALL ?

What happened to  Knoth from Meade. Is he injured? Hard to believe a top 5 kid just dropping out mid season.

13 hours ago, REscalera said:

I believe the plural form of Jedi is Jedi. 

Such an oversight shows signs of the dark side

9 hours ago, dp463 said:

What happened to  Knoth from Meade. Is he injured? Hard to believe a top 5 kid just dropping out mid season.

I have heard that he has decided not to wrestle this season due to some weight disagreements with his coach.

I have heard rumors about the knoth situation I don't know him or his family personally but I heard he's not injured and wanted to wrestle this year but like Granby Master posted I believe that the issue was the coach wanted him to drop to 152 and he couldn't make the weight.  I believe that he was trying to continue wrestling at 160 but the coach wouldn't allow it so his only options were to sit the bench until he made weight for 152 or quit the team. For some reason the coach wouldn't allow him to stay at 160. Maybe he lost a wrestle off for the spot I'm not sure. Such a shame that a top 5 kid would be forced out over a weight issue. Looking at track wrestling it looks like he was 6-0 at 160. Seems like he only wrestled 6 matches this year and appears he pinned 5 of the guys he wrestled. Only thing I can think of is they have a wrestler at 160 that is better than the knoth kid and he couldn't beat him for the 160 spot. 

2 minutes ago, Sammy said:

I have heard rumors about the knoth situation I don't know him or his family personally but I heard he's not injured and wanted to wrestle this year but like Granby Master posted I believe that the issue was the coach wanted him to drop to 152 and he couldn't make the weight.  I believe that he was trying to continue wrestling at 160 but the coach wouldn't allow it so his only options were to sit the bench until he made weight for 152 or quit the team. For some reason the coach wouldn't allow him to stay at 160. Maybe he lost a wrestle off for the spot I'm not sure. Such a shame that a top 5 kid would be forced out over a weight issue. Looking at track wrestling it looks like he was 6-0 at 160. Seems like he only wrestled 6 matches this year and appears he pinned 5 of the guys he wrestled. Only thing I can think of is they have a wrestler at 160 that is better than the knoth kid and he couldn't beat him for the 160 spot. 

They have Johnny Lee at 160. He was a top 5 guy, but took some loses and has dropped in rankings. 

1 hour ago, Sammy said:

I have heard rumors about the knoth situation I don't know him or his family personally but I heard he's not injured and wanted to wrestle this year but like Granby Master posted I believe that the issue was the coach wanted him to drop to 152 and he couldn't make the weight.  I believe that he was trying to continue wrestling at 160 but the coach wouldn't allow it so his only options were to sit the bench until he made weight for 152 or quit the team. For some reason the coach wouldn't allow him to stay at 160. Maybe he lost a wrestle off for the spot I'm not sure. Such a shame that a top 5 kid would be forced out over a weight issue. Looking at track wrestling it looks like he was 6-0 at 160. Seems like he only wrestled 6 matches this year and appears he pinned 5 of the guys he wrestled. Only thing I can think of is they have a wrestler at 160 that is better than the knoth kid and he couldn't beat him for the 160 spot. 

Speculations and rumors do “no” justice to anyone. The bottom line is we have a wrestler who was healthy and in wrestling shape. The athlete had requested a difference in positon on a Team and the Coach had to make a call as to what was in the best interest for the Team and its future success. No difference in position changes in Football, Baseball, soccer, Ect….. Ultimately Coaches are put in these positions to make these hard choices on behalf of their Team.   It boils down to this and only this! The "Wrestler" in question choose not to participate where he was “needed” and to no longer be a team member of the Team he was on.

I would also like to know where is/what happened to Connor Cambron?

Thank you kywrestler@heart for the clarification on the issue. I didn't know the facts and was just telling people what I heard. I will be more careful about what I post in the future.  

39 minutes ago, Sammy said:

Thank you kywrestler@heart for the clarification on the issue. I didn't know the facts and was just telling people what I heard. I will be more careful about what I post in the future.  

No issues. I just hate for Rumors to start and Coaches names getting dragged thru the dirt. There work is already hard enough and Underappreciated

It's called a wrestle off.

12 minutes ago, NatureBoy said:

It's called a wrestle off.

Darn I thought it was called a dance off....what was I thinking.

I don't know how anyone can rank 120 and 126. For example, in 126, #17 beats #12, then #17 loses to #25 (who also got beat by #20). 120 is a ridiculous weight this year as well. I think everyone who is ranked, should be ranked. But, don't get hung up on the order of the rankings. They all seem to be beating each other. The state tournament will be fun to watch in these 2 weight classes in particular.

1 hour ago, Sammy said:

 Only thing I can think of is they have a wrestler at 160 that is better than the knoth kid and he couldn't beat him for the 160 spot. 

I would have to believe this is the issue.  As NB said "its called a wrestle off"

Just saying these things are usually settled on the mat ,a coach can do as he likes and there are circumstances where if kids can make weights he can choose for them .Works sometimes in duals usually for the year it does not .If a kid quit because he can win the weight he wants and a coach says no that's not very cool under normal circumstances .

NOT THAT THAT'S THE CASE AT ALL I HAVE NO CLUE AND ONLY BY POKING FOR RESPONSES WILL THERE BE MORE EDUCATED GUESSES AS TO THE REASON FOR THE DRAMA.

WE ARE WRESTLING FANS WE GET FED A LINE WE BITE AND DIG DEEPER NO HARM INTENDED UNLESS SOMEONE HAS BEEN WRONGED .

JUST HUMAN NATURE .

I WOULD SAY THE BEST DANCER GETS THE STARTING SPOT 9 X OUT OF 10 .BETTER RHYTHM USUALLY EQUATES TO BETTER AGILITY ATHLETICISM AND AN OVERALL CHARISMA THAT HAS A POSITIVE EFFECT ON THE TEAM .AND THE MOMS LIKE IT

Yah I know that is why I am so mind boggled right now. I could of sworn it was a dance off....

30 minutes ago, NatureBoy said:

Just saying these things are usually settled on the mat ,a coach can do as he likes and there are circumstances where if kids can make weights he can choose for them .Works sometimes in duals usually for the year it does not .If a kid quit because he can win the weight he wants and a coach says no that's not very cool under normal circumstances .

NOT THAT THAT'S THE CASE AT ALL I HAVE NO CLUE AND ONLY BY POKING FOR RESPONSES WILL THERE BE MORE EDUCATED GUESSES AS TO THE REASON FOR THE DRAMA.

WE ARE WRESTLING FANS WE GET FED A LINE WE BITE AND DIG DEEPER NO HARM INTENDED UNLESS SOMEONE HAS BEEN WRONGED .

JUST HUMAN NATURE .

I WOULD SAY THE BEST DANCER GETS THE STARTING SPOT 9 X OUT OF 10 .BETTER RHYTHM USUALLY EQUATES TO BETTER AGILITY ATHLETICISM AND AN OVERALL CHARISMA THAT HAS A POSITIVE EFFECT ON THE TEAM .AND THE MOMS LIKE IT

 Bingo on that last statement

Can't have a weak link in the chain if you can't stay in sync then your outtahere.

I admire the kid who stays and works through adversity as much as I dislike an unfair coach or circumstance  ,either way quitting solves nothing.

1 hour ago, gentleben1590 said:

I don't know how anyone can rank 120 and 126. For example, in 126, #17 beats #12, then #17 loses to #25 (who also got beat by #20). 120 is a ridiculous weight this year as well. I think everyone who is ranked, should be ranked. But, don't get hung up on the order of the rankings. They all seem to be beating each other. The state tournament will be fun to watch in these 2 weight classes in particular.

Lightweights are insane like that usually the upper weights are easier to put in order ,I guess with wider array of moves speed and let's face it those kids at the lighter weights are usually dieting hungry and mean their moods and levels of athleticism are more varied from day to day anything can happen .

On the teams I've been affiliated with, it's the coaches' decision on who is entered into a competition, and I'm not talking about grades or discipline issues.  For example, wrestler A may beat wrestler B consistently in practice but wrestler B consistently performs better in competition.  I saw this on two occasions on my high school team.  Most coaches however heavily weigh the wrestle-off in their decision.

Ironically, one individual was wrestler B the first time and then wrestler A a couple of years later.  In the second instance, wrestler B was a "big brother" to wrestler A.  Wrestler A went on to be a 3x champ while wrestler B was a 1x placer.  From the outside looking in it was only mental for the younger wrestler.

One thing I've always liked about the programs I've been in, you win the wrestle off, it's your spot. Might move kids around a little for duals or to get others matches, but when it comes down to it, the spot goes to the best guy there

Yeah.  I'm not a big fan of a coach telling a wrestler to lose weight or your not competing.  

Opens a big can of worms. Wrestle offs are best.  

2 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

Yeah.  I'm not a big fan of a coach telling a wrestler to lose weight or your not competing.  

Opens a big can of worms. Wrestle offs are best.  

Agreed. I might suggest where I think they should go or advise not to drop, but in the end I always give them the choice at what weight to go, unless it's below what they can do healthy

I don't mean to say that I'm in favor of requiring a kid to drop weight, that's their call in my opinion.  College may be a different story, but not high school.

When a kid weighs 210 and their certification says they can make 182, yet they don't even want to make 195, I don't think that's too much for a coach to ask a wrestler to do (make 195, for example). Cutting weight isn't fun, and probably the least liked aspect of wrestling, but it requires strict discipline and diet. It's not impossible. It's just uncomfortable. I mean, aren't weight certifications there to tell you what weight you can make while maintaining your health? I don't know what all is going on in Meade County, but this is just from my personal experience.

no matter the situation. I don't believe a coach should TELL a wrestler where he can compete and FORCE weight loss on a kid.  That gets Mama's and Papa's involved in forcing their baby to lose weight and skip meals. 

Wrestling is an individual sport with team concepts.  

In the long run is it worth losing a kid because he does not want to lose weight? 

2 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

no matter the situation. I don't believe a coach should TELL a wrestler where he can compete and FORCE weight loss on a kid.  That gets Mama's and Papa's involved in forcing their baby to lose weight and skip meals. 

Wrestling is an individual sport with team concepts.  

In the long run is it worth losing a kid because he does not want to lose weight? 

I still cannot get around the Dance off and Wrestle off. Man I am really struggling with that one.

I've seen a few kids who were dancers (ie) Took dance lessons, and were extremely successful on the wrestling mat.  Coordination and Balance are huge in both. 

You know now the more that I think about it, that may now explain why I have never seen a Tutu in a wrestling room or a disco ball.

12 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

no matter the situation. I don't believe a coach should TELL a wrestler where he can compete and FORCE weight loss on a kid.  That gets Mama's and Papa's involved in forcing their baby to lose weight and skip meals. 

Wrestling is an individual sport with team concepts.  

In the long run is it worth losing a kid because he does not want to lose weight? 

Agree with this

26 minutes ago, KYWrestler@Heart said:

What if you have 2 starting wrestlers 1 weight class apart and Wrestler (A) can wrestle at both weight classes and be successful. Wrestler (B) can only wrestle at the higher class and be successful but cannot go down to the lower class because Weight restrictions will not allow it (OPC). As an overall Team performance concept is it wise to ensure both Wrestlers are on the roster or give up a weight class resulting in no point scoring.  Now let’s assume these wrestlers both paid their dues over the years and both deserve the right to compete. What is a coach to do?  Who has the responsibility to ensure that all members of his Team are successful and not just one individual? Yes we often look at the completion at an individual level but is it not also the goal to bring home a "Team" championship for "ALL" to enjoy.

 

As you said, both A and B have paid their dues. Why make wrestler A cut the weight (punish him) for doing what he is supposed to day in and day out? I understand having log jams with multiple good kids on a team. It's tough. But if wrestler A beats wrestler B in a wrestle off, wrestler A is your guy for that weight. The decision now, in my opinion, falls on wrestler B to decide how bad he wants to compete. Does he become wrestler A's back up, or does he challenge for the next weight up on his team? From the outside looking in, it sounds like wrestler A got put in a bad situation that should have been and could have been avoided. 

Ok Nike point heard, but I would like to refer back to Zeus original post. Why can’t Wrester A be backup to wrestler B and not quit. Either way it really does not matter. No one wins in this case. No one can be made to do something they do not want to do. Basically no matter how hard or how long we discuss this there will be different opinions. You only have to answer to yourself for the choices you make. Simple point one less wrestler in the state and less team points over all for Meade. Does it really matter, probably not? I am not on hear to back up anyone individual or team. I just cannot stand for rumors or speculation. There are only a few people who truly knows why this individual choose not to continue to wrestle this year and they only have to answer to themselves so it really does not matter what we think happened or what really happened now does it.

I was only speaking to the scenario. I don't know Meade Co's coaches or kids and in no way was I trying to take a stab at them. I have a feeling this particular scenario plays out in many rooms across the state. The best outcome is in the eyes of the beholder. As a coach, you just got to do the best job that you can and try to be as fair as possible. You can't make everyone happy all the time. Comes with the job I suppose. 

54 minutes ago, KYWrestler@Heart said:

Ok Nike point heard, but I would like to refer back to Zeus original post. Why can’t Wrester A be backup to wrestler B and not quit. Either way it really does not matter. No one wins in this case. No one can be made to do something they do not want to do. Basically no matter how hard or how long we discuss this there will be different opinions. You only have to answer to yourself for the choices you make. Simple point one less wrestler in the state and less team points over all for Meade. Does it really matter, probably not? I am not on hear to back up anyone individual or team. I just cannot stand for rumors or speculation. There are only a few people who truly knows why this individual choose not to continue to wrestle this year and they only have to answer to themselves so it really does not matter what we think happened or what really happened now does it.

My original post was only referring to wrestle-offs, nothing to do with weight cutting.

What if you have a wrestler and he weighs say 144 and has wrestled 144 yet some unseen power like the Force makes him wrestle 152 ? Or since you used 210 how about another that weighs about that minus a few lbs who certified under 182 yet that unseen force makes them wrestle 220 .

Seen it happen a severe unbalance in the force ,fortunately in these cases these young men didn't quit they overcame .

IF A KID EARNS HIS SPOT IT SHOULD BE HIS .JUST BECAUSE HE CERTS AT A WEIGHT DOESN'T MEAN HE SHOULD COULD OR CAN EVEN WRESTLE THERE .WITH ALL THE BAD PRESS IN THE SPORT ABOUT KIDS CUTTING AND BEING UNHEALTHY I SURPRISED A COACH WOULD TRY TO FORCE A KID TO CUT.

SEEN COACHES TRY TO TALK KIDS INTO BALLET NEVER SAW ONE FALL FOR IT.

I never said anything about starvation, skipping meals, dehydrating,  wearing plastics, or running until you pass out. If you have a proper diet, eat clean, and workout smart, you can lose the weight without adversely affecting your health. Parents need to be involved and coaches do as well, but if someone loses a wrestle-off and still want to wrestle, there are only a couple of solutions. There's a kid who I thought would be at least 132 this year and now he's at 120, healthy, hydrated, and energetic (and wrestling great, btw). Education on diet is imperative. A lot of people have given "weight cutting" a bad name because they did so in ignorant ways. So, I'll say the same advice my dad gave me when I was young, "don't be an idiot". ;-)

All to confusing to speculate on ,from what I was getting it sounded like a kid had his spot at 160 or whatever but COACH wanted him lower and he did not want to cut so he was benched so he quit  ,a bad deal if you ask me ?but I don't know none of my business  and I don't want to guess .

It's a "Dance Off" Peter Quill aka Star Lord ,Guardians of the Galaxy .

It's a Distraction !!

ALL THESE SPACE SHOW SIMILES 

Very exciting times indeed.

Big battles tomorrow could be some changes in team and individual rankings .

On January 3, 2017 at 4:03 PM, ukpridewrestler11 said:

Trinity is down this year. Not used to seeing them ranked that low.

They are down but, I'm sure they will bounce back. Rumor has it there is an Olympian in their room working with the kids.

Roy "regressed" bowers still seems to be slow off the whistle. Maybe that's why he's not number one.

Volbrecht of ryle has 2 victories over dixies bowers not saying he should be rankedsuper high but just something to take a look at

Johnny Todd #16 at 182lbs is now wrestling 170lbs. 

1 hour ago, Usawresstling said:

Volbrecht of ryle has 2 victories over dixies bowers not saying he should be rankedsuper high but just something to take a look at

Kind of strange that both victories were a default of some kind.  Track says at NKAC INJ time default the dual just lists default. 

Bowers only has 4 losses according to Track.  

On 1/11/2017 at 8:31 AM, Wrestlingfan27 said:

Roy "regressed" bowers still seems to be slow off the whistle. Maybe that's why he's not number one.

lol public bashing of highschool kids... Super classy

Straight Sith.  Just like Ryle has been on the dark side of the force for years. 

Looks like Ray Karl Inving is back to throw a wrench in the 195 lb class. 

Irving is a stud thats huge for the 195 pound weight class... hes a great wrestler glad to see him back

If you've ever talked to Ray Karl you'll know that he's a great kid.

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 11:49 AM, DrBaker said:

Looks like Ray Karl Inving is back to throw a wrench in the 195 lb class. 

Ray took 3-0 lose to Johnson central at section duals today

Johnson Centrals big boys are gonna surprise some people. 

Has there been any results for johnson central? They post nothing and dont use track wrestling at all. Not sure if they have the internet out there or not lol

1 hour ago, Washedupwrestler said:

Has there been any results for johnson central? They post nothing and dont use track wrestling at all. Not sure if they have the internet out there or not lol

Johnson cent in finals with madison central. 

Mont co takes 3rd over tc by criteria 

Any results from the sectionals today?

Some results are under a different thread. 

JC beat MadC 41-29 I believe 

10 hours ago, DrBaker said:

Johnson Centrals big boys are gonna surprise some people. 

Considering their big boys from 152 - 285 are all ranked in the top ten I don't think anyone will be to surprised.  

I'm talking about them all making the semis at state. I saying top 6. 

Blake Gamble from Johnson dropped to 147, he is currently ranked at 152.  

Is blanton dropping to 52 or staying at 60? Heard their whole lineup was planing on makeling a drop.

Kevin Vasquez also weighed in at 147 yesterday, also ranked at 152.

1 hour ago, Washedupwrestler said:

Is blanton dropping to 52 or staying at 60? Heard their whole lineup was planing on makeling a drop.

I doubt he's dropping , weighted 161.5 yesterday 

When will the new rankings be out? Not trying to rush you or anything, i'm just curious to see if there is any shake ups in the rankings.

16 hours ago, DrBaker said:

I'm talking about them all making the semis at state. I saying top 6. 

JC has a kid at 182 that won MS state last year that's not in the starting lineup becuse there upper weights are so stacked right now. 

20 hours ago, GranbyMaster said:

When will the new rankings be out? Not trying to rush you or anything, i'm just curious to see if there is any shake ups in the rankings.

We had an update almost ready Thursday night, then I got busy and didn't get it finished and posted. With all the big matchups this past weekend we need to do a quick review. Hope to post an update by the end of the week. 

Ryles 132 brossart is dropping to 126

Any big shakeups this weekend? Desmond lewis had a really good showing last weekend at the jctoc knocking off darbo then winning in the finals. I think hes a potential state placer if he keeps up that hard work.

How do you think the 106 weight class is going for Fairdale they haven't been updated yet but he beat the desales kid in front of him. Do you think he has a chance at state looking at all of his tournaments I'm pretty sure he is 21-12.  Second year wrestler

Anybody can place if they put the hard work in. Tell him not to worry about whos ahead of him and where his wins and losses come from. You bust ass at practice and give your heart at tournaments. If he wants it all he has to do is motivate himself and set goals. At 106 theres alot of possibilities. But yes i believe if a kid wants something enough and drives himself everyday top 8 is a possibility for anyone. He may not be a state champ but placement can be in his future if hes willing to go the extra mile. Please take this as encouragement.

Okay thanks

Some of you must really like wasting your time with commenting on these rankings about who does what and why someone should be ranked where, THEY ARE RANGERS OPINONS. If your the best, you will prevail in Feb, nothing you post will change the rankings from ranger, just do your own rankings or your wrestlers and rank them #1 if you want to, because ifyou arnt etc or nothern ky, you wont be ranked where u should. Rant done. Have a great day  

Get em^^^^^

2 hours ago, SwampDonky330 said:

Get em^^^^^

Lol, if you know me, you know i like to get conversation going, and poke

2 hours ago, TECHnWIN said:

Some of you must really like wasting your time with commenting on these rankings about who does what and why someone should be ranked where, THEY ARE RANGERS OPINONS. If your the best, you will prevail in Feb, nothing you post will change the rankings from ranger, just do your own rankings or your wrestlers and rank them #1 if you want to, because ifyou arnt etc or nothern ky, you wont be ranked where u should. Rant done. Have a great day  

It "arnt" so much pro ETC/N Ky as much as I am anti Fern Creek (never liked that Hitchings guy, right Mark?) and at ETC we are required to hate anyone not in the club. 

32 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:

It "arnt" so much pro ETC/N Ky as much as I am anti Fern Creek (never liked that Hitchings guy, right Mark?) and at ETC we are required to hate anyone not in the club. 

Just made my point even more correct, shouldn't have hatred for other teams or kids, maybe try being like invictica and the morals knable teaches. The results may be different than last year. Just messing with ya ranger not trying to start an arguement, whats a little fun while im waiting for this biology class going to hurt 

Not sure if anyone has said anything, @Ranger123, but North Hardin's Brenden Becker has dropped to 182 and will stay there the rest of the year. He's 13th at 195.