According to the flyer, youth must weigh in for state either Friday or sat.
I was told this weekend that they could weigh in on sunday, is this true?
I've emailed, but had no response
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Youth state weigh in
Topic ID: 13399 | 51 Posts
7 hours ago, coachteater said:According to the flyer, youth must weigh in for state either Friday or sat.
I was told this weekend that they could weigh in on sunday, is this true?
I've emailed, but had no response
Scott, who did you email cause I haven't seen that inquiry come to the board....shoot me an email at [email protected] weigh-ins will be allowed Sunday.
Just now, jnv858 said:Scott, who did you email cause I haven't seen that inquiry come to the board....shoot me an email at [email protected] weigh-ins will be allowed Sunday.
Emailed tyler. No weigh ins sunday, but no remote sites? I can only think this will kill numbers in attendance. Just being in lexington, my parents aren't going to drive an hr one way to weigh in on Friday or sat, to wrestle on sunday. I can't imagine ones from further away.
This probably needs to be addressed as well to more people, because I talked to people friday night that were to the understanding you could on sunday. They were saying it would be like the Bluegrass one earlier that allowed it
Been wondering the same thing down here in western ky, weighing in the day before is going to hurt my numbers for sure.
6 hours ago, ctown714 said:Been wondering the same thing down here in western ky, weighing in the day before is going to hurt my numbers for sure.
Interesting take considering the western KY coaches were the one pushing this issue to have a weight in right before youth state tournament.
6 hours ago, coachteater said:Emailed tyler. No weigh ins sunday, but no remote sites? I can only think this will kill numbers in attendance. Just being in lexington, my parents aren't going to drive an hr one way to weigh in on Friday or sat, to wrestle on sunday. I can't imagine ones from further away.
This probably needs to be addressed as well to more people, because I talked to people friday night that were to the understanding you could on sunday. They were saying it would be like the Bluegrass one earlier that allowed it
We have had remote sites for weigh ins for years, and all that was heard was that they were not done within the rules and the weights were not accurate.
Not sure why all the flack for going to a weigh in process more similar to what national tournaments do.
I could see doing weigh ins the day before for those fortunate enough that can afford a nights stay or live close by. But I would think kids could also weigh in the morning of if need be like most tournaments.
While the thread is going, I know that top 6 medal in a 9-16 man bracket and top 4 medal in the 1-8 man brackets. Has the state ever done or will there ever be a consideration for participation awards of some sort? I've experienced kids work their butts off all year and then not want to go to state because "you only wrestle a few times and then go home".
7 minutes ago, Mr. Matman said:While the thread is going, I know that top 6 medal in a 9-16 man bracket and top 4 medal in the 1-8 man brackets. Has the state ever done or will there ever be a consideration for participation awards of some sort? I've experienced kids work their butts off all year and then not want to go to state because "you only wrestle a few times and then go home".
Thought about it no, but could it be done sure I guess, everyone willing to pay the increase in entry fee to cover those cost?
8 minutes ago, KSWA Staff said:Thought about it no, but could it be done sure I guess, everyone willing to pay the increase in entry fee to cover those cost?
I'd be okay with it, but I'm only one guy.. There are plenty of areas that costs could be lowered to save for others. Our entry fees for state are already low compared to other state tournaments anyway. A few dollars spent on something that will attract more in the end is only going to be beneficial.
2 hours ago, KSWA Staff said:
Not sure why all the flack for going to a weigh in process more similar to what national tournaments do.
Because we are not talking about kids/parents/families that are all in when it comes to wrestling. Those that go to national tourneys usually are wrestling families.
Once again stop thinking only about the elite and rich. Take into consideration those without the means to do this.
6 hours ago, Mr. Matman said:While the thread is going, I know that top 6 medal in a 9-16 man bracket and top 4 medal in the 1-8 man brackets. Has the state ever done or will there ever be a consideration for participation awards of some sort? I've experienced kids work their butts off all year and then not want to go to state because "you only wrestle a few times and then go home".
Please tell me this a joke.
29 minutes ago, Alf said:Please tell me this a joke.
No, not joking. I feel that if State were a tournament that a wrestler had to qualify for then participation awards would make more sense for the ones that don't place. Our awards are already unappealing.
This tournament should have a qualifier to a single bracket per weight class per age group. The winner of that bracket is your state champion.the next 5 are your remaining placers. The rest go home qualifiers. Then it would be a state championship. Right now its just Kentucky State Open!! Giving everyone a medal would just be well...typical.
9 hours ago, KSWA Staff said:We have had remote sites for weigh ins for years, and all that was heard was that they were not done within the rules and the weights were not accurate.
Not sure why all the flack for going to a weigh in process more similar to what national tournaments do.
Flack comes because this is a huge inconvenience to families. You always should weigh the benefits when you do something, and I feel the benefit of this is far overshadowed by the hurt it does.
Numbers will suffer for the event. But also we should do what we need to do to continue to build, this is a step back.
I agree last yr didn't work, but it's because the own coach put weights in. You could easily do remote weigh ins across the state and have credible coaches report weights. Very frustrating because I don't think many coaches realize how hard it is to get parents to do things like this.
It's hard to do at times, but you have to make it easy for parents, or they won't put the kids in it. It's an unfortunate reality. If we want numbers to grow, we have to go out of the way to make it parent freindly
55 minutes ago, CoachC said:This tournament should have a qualifier to a single bracket per weight class per age group. The winner of that bracket is your state champion.the next 5 are your remaining placers. The rest go home qualifiers. Then it would be a state championship. Right now its just Kentucky State Open!! Giving everyone a medal would just be well...typical.
I agree, but if it's going to be an event that needs to be qualified for the idea for the participation award then becomes an award that simply gives a kid the recognition of achieving that state qualifier status if they are unable to place. The USA weight classes, in my opinion, at the youth level are too spread out and encourage parents to force their kid to cut. An example would be a nine year old weighing 63 pounds and the options are 60 or 65.
In my opinion, The problem with doing same day weigh ins for almost a 1000 wrestlers is that it takes time to enter these into track or mat magic to create brackets. Then when creating brackets using the 10% and not having kids from the same team or region wrestle against each other the 1st round, you have to manually change these around. Their are so many senerios to take into consideration. If you want a true youth Championships, we need to follow the blueprint Ohio is using. Qualify kids in specific weight classes and have those weights entered by a referee or someone that won't cheat the weights. But even if you qualify these wrestlers, you will have less at state and they will still need to weigh in the morning of. Unfortantly we just don't have the numbers.
4 hours ago, Mr. Matman said:in my opinion, at the youth level are too spread out and encourage parents to force their kid to cut. An example would be a nine year old weighing 63 pounds and the options are 60 or 65.
Actually if you were to make the wt. classes further apart then you would have less wt. loss.
When you make the wt. classes close together then some parents go well 5 lbs is not that much we can drop a wt. class. It was proven at the high school level already. If you want to discourage wt. loss then use the high school rules. Use the wt management program the high schools use. I am sure that the high schools would allow there elementary and middle school teams to use there team log in. Maybe not use it like KY does but more like Ohio does. find the lowest wt. class the kid can wrestle and not allow him to go any lower. No entering their weigh ins after each event.
In my opinion the elementary and middle school kids should already be required to do this. The younger the kid the more dangerous low body fat is to a kid.
21 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:Because we are not talking about kids/parents/families that are all in when it comes to wrestling. Those that go to national tourneys usually are wrestling families.
Once again stop thinking only about the elite and rich. Take into consideration those without the means to do this.
GOO...this was brought up last year at the spring meeting as an issue that needed to be corrected, ballots were sent out for review for the fall coaches meeting where 25 coaches voted and the current system of weigh-ins was voted in by 16 of those 25. The options were to either keep the Status Quo or have weigh-in/skin checks the two days prior. The information and the State flyer has been out since the Fall and here we are a month prior and now its being brought up as an issue. I can assure you its not about the elite and rich its in part about parents having kids cut weight to weigh in at their Regional Tournament two weeks prior to the tournament and they show up having gained everything they cut back and then we have huge disadvantages and to add to that there has been no skin checks done prior to these kids getting on the mat. I volunteered my time to serve on the KSWA board as one of the Youth VP's and I can promise you I want to see the sport grow, I am also completely open to thoughts, recommendations and solutions but those would also be nice to hear a little sooner than 30 days to the date of execution. I invite everybody to feel free to email me their thoughts, concerns, recommendations and/or recommended solutions for this topic or anything in general at [email protected].
Are you kidding me participation awards. What ever happen to hard work and achieving what you earn. I don't get a participation raise at work I get a raise for being good at what I do. No disrespect but we are not helping are children achieve by participation awards. We are telling them it's ok to just show up. What ever happened to hard work receives reward. Not all are great at this sport but they will receive reward in life if they stick with this sport. Russ Helrickson once said at a camp I attended that his walk on's and guys who never started ,gave him more praise and probably accomplished more in life than his all Americans. They were always thankful for the opportunity to be on a great team and became great leaders. That's more important than any medal.
If you stick with this sport good or bad your children will reap great benefits. I was not a wrestler but know many that have been and the percentages are greater than not that they have Perservered
Why would this be a vote? Coaches votes are determined by their needs not the needs of the whole. Whether they mean to vote that way or not.
Out of those coaches that did vote how many were close to the state tourney? Meaning 45 minutes or less from the venue. I would bet that most were close.
Those that are 3+ hours out. It probably does not matter to them either, because either way they are probably leaving the night before.
I hear so many times "the coaches voted this", or "the coaches that did vote wanted this". Why are the coaches voting anyway? Is there not representatives for youth? Should not these people be the ones making the choices? If not why were they elected.
These representatives should do what they think is best then reap or suffer the results. Change if need be the next year, or vote in new reps.
Do what you think is right. I am just giving my opinion. I believe that you will have less kids participating that are 1-2 hours away this year with a weigh in on Friday with no regional remote weigh in.
My question to you goo is have you been to a Spring or Fall meeting for KWSA? The representatives for your "team" is the coaches that go to these. And as far as the members of the board for the KWSA, do you think that the 6 members of the board should be the only ones to vote on these issues? Us as coaches who actually care how things turn out for our kids, go to these and actually vote. This Friday, Saturday weigh in was brought up in the Spring Meeting and brought into actual law in the Fall meeting. I personally was one that voted against it and wanted remote weigh in to continue. Unfortunately, it passed. Do I believe it will continue like this after this year? I hope not. I see numerous issues coming up after this season for next season. But as the KWSA board members say year in and year out the first step to help solve these issues is attendance of the "coaches" at the off season meetings. Hopefully we could set up some type of actual conference call for those who can't be in attendance at the actual meeting place.
Best of luck to all our wrestlers as our in season schedule comes to an end.
I’m not here to argue my stance on the suggestion of participation awards. That can go on and on, I’d rather not waste the time. Here is a scenario for you: A third grader has friends that talk about wrestling at school. This kid gets excited and wants to join. His parents are reluctant, but decide to let him give it a try. He’s a first year kid and gets beat on at every tournament. This kid attends state and falls short of placing. The season is over. The parents, not fully understanding the benefits of wrestling in the first place allow the kid to give up the sport since he didn’t enjoy it anyway. Children cannot even begin to comprehend the concept that you feel a participation award represents anyway. Wrestling is a very demanding sport, yes, and if you stick with it you have the opportunity to gain a lot from the sport. So a kid that wrestles 4 full matches in the state tournament, which should be the toughest youth tournament at the state level, but doesn’t place is one that didn’t work hard? You say you’ve never wrestled, go wrestle live for 3 minutes and then come back and tell me how easy it was. Again, these are children at the youth level. What is keeping these kids excited to come back and continue with their participation? I offered up a suggestion, and it was just that. All I ever hear about is numbers “we don’t have the numbers”. What is something you feel could be a solution to this problem? I myself am more concerned with competition. Great competition comes through years of experience in any particular sport. Keeping kids involved is ultimately what will lead to high level competition. Keeping involvement up is the “numbers” that everyone preaches about.
Lets not forget that one of the major reasons for the weigh in right before the state tournament was due to complete proper skin checks on the wrestlers.
20 hours ago, twenhofelcoach said:My question to you goo is have you been to a Spring or Fall meeting for KWSA? The representatives for your "team" is the coaches that go to these. And as far as the members of the board for the KWSA, do you think that the 6 members of the board should be the only ones to vote on these issues?
No because that is what our representatives are there to do. Much the same as our representatives in government do.
Everyone has their own agenda, If you allow that many coaches/people to vote and give their opinion, nothing will get done. We elect representatives because we believe they are the best people to come up with the right answers we need for a district/region. If they do not then we vote someone else in that we think will do the right thing for us.
Just because I don't attend these meetings. Many of us don't have the time, Does not mean our ideas are not correct or good.
Like I said maybe I am wrong, It's just my opinion.
Maybe I need to start putting this in again
These are the opinions of GOO nothing more nothing less. Take them or leave them in the grand scheme of things it really does not matter.
GOO out.
34 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:No because that is what our representatives are there to do. Much the same as our representatives in government do.
Everyone has their own agenda, If you allow that many coaches/people to vote and give their opinion, nothing will get done. We elect representatives because we believe they are the best people to come up with the right answers we need for a district/region. If they do not then we vote someone else in that we think will do the right thing for us.
Just because I don't attend these meetings. Many of us don't have the time, Does not mean our ideas are not correct or good.
Like I said maybe I am wrong, It's just my opinion.
Maybe I need to start putting this in again
These are the opinions of GOO nothing more nothing less. Take them or leave them in the grand scheme of things it really does not matter.
GOO out.
Who are these representatives you keep speaking of if they are not the coaches of the teams?
19 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:The 6 members of the board.
Well who should vote for those board member positions?
Much like our government. Each district or region should vote for a representative. That way each district or region is represented. This is not rocket science its the same way the high school does it. Why does everyone need to reinvent the wheel. Follow the high school lead.
I have said this for years the middle school should be a mirror image of the high school. Or a close enough image.
19 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:Much like our government. Each district or region should vote for a representative. That way each district or region is represented. This is not rocket science its the same way the high school does it. Why does everyone need to reinvent the wheel. Follow the high school lead.
I have said this for years the middle school should be a mirror image of the high school. Or a close enough image.
I think I see what your saying Goo, so when issues are brought up from the field (coaches) the we the board memebers are the only ones that vote on it not the collective group? That does make sense, although I personally like to collect as many opinions and thoughts from the field before making a decision and the only way to do that is max participation from the collective group. I would love to get emails from the field if somebody isn't able to make the meetings.....this is my first year on the board and I have my own initial platform but I am also trying to build and improve that platform with opinions from across the field.
My daughter is wrestling youth......, My son is a midde school wrestler, dependng on his results he might do youth.... Im confused they wiegh in for YOUTH regions! Then where and when and what time is YOUTH state weigh ins? Thanks!
51 minutes ago, Nolans Dad said:My daughter is wrestling youth......, My son is a midde school wrestler, dependng on his results he might do youth.... Im confused they wiegh in for YOUTH regions! Then where and when and what time is YOUTH state weigh ins? Thanks!
Weigh-ins:
Friday 3 FEB 6-9pm @ Crowne Plaza
Friday 4 FEB 1-4pm @ Crowne Plaza
7 minutes ago, jnv858 said:Weigh-ins:
Friday 3 FEB 6-9pm @ Crowne Plaza
Friday 4 FEB 1-4pm @ Crowne Plaza
Should that be Saturday 4 FEB 1-4pm
ideally the district representative would have a meeting within his/her district. That way the meeting will be close and district needs can be focused on. After that meeting the representative would then take it to the other representatives and discussed. Other ideas and the such can be discussed and the representative can bring those problems back to the district and I would hope discussed and acted upon.
2 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:ideally the district representative would have a meeting within his/her district. That way the meeting will be close and district needs can be focused on. After that meeting the representative would then take it to the other representatives and discussed. Other ideas and the such can be discussed and the representative can bring those problems back to the district and I would hope discussed and acted upon.
That meeting won't be close in District 8 GOO.
1 hour ago, grappler-of-old said:Much like our government. Each district or region should vote for a representative. That way each district or region is represented. This is not rocket science its the same way the high school does it. Why does everyone need to reinvent the wheel. Follow the high school lead.
I have said this for years the middle school should be a mirror image of the high school. Or a close enough image.
We used to have regional reps before the youth and MS combined under the KSWA umbrella. I don't think much has changed. We're having the same recycled debates now than we did 8 years ago.
To be honest MLee what we say and think on this site is meaningless.
It's good for maybe getting a feel for something and maybe hearing some ideas, but as I mentioned I believe that the elected officials should be the ones making those decisions. Those people were voted because they were believed to be the best to make these decisions. Once they make the decision then follow through prove me or whoever believed against it wrong or prove I am right. Then change or keep it the same.
We may not like KHSAA's decisions on everything but they make the decision then stick with it. Unless a huge outcry is made. They try it, see if it works then moves on to the next year either changing again or keeping it.
But what do I know I'm just an old fart just hanging around with barely the energy to read what is being written on this site let alone go out and do anything about it. 
21 minutes ago, VisionQuest said:Should that be Saturday 4 FEB 1-4pm
Yup, sorry, not well versed at typing.
13 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:To be honest MLee what we say and think on this site is meaningless.
It's good for maybe getting a feel for something and maybe hearing some ideas, but as I mentioned I believe that the elected officials should be the ones making those decisions. Those people were voted because they were believed to be the best to make these decisions. Once they make the decision then follow through prove me or whoever believed against it wrong or prove I am right. Then change or keep it the same.
We may not like KHSAA's decisions on everything but they make the decision then stick with it. Unless a huge outcry is made. They try it, see if it works then moves on to the next year either changing again or keeping it.
But what do I know I'm just an old fart just hanging around with barely the energy to read what is being written on this site let alone go out and do anything about it.
Goo, I actually take copious notes as I scroll through these forums to see what the consensus is out in the field, like I said this is only my first year on the KSWA board and I am still forming ideas and thoughts fluidly. I know in Central KY we have discussed having a coaches meeting to get a consensus in our area so we speak with a unified voice on as many topics as possible when it comes time for he KSWA coaches meeting.
I realize how important it is to have a more accurate weight & skin check but completely eliminating remote weigh ins will be so hard for some families. Especially ones in the south and eastern parts of the state. Friday/Saturday weigh ins will require an overnight trip when most parents typically drove to the tournament the morning of. I also realize that the flyer was released in the fall. Really though people do not look at the times, etc until it get closer to tournament time. Maybe a large headline noting a significant change with required weigh ins in Louisville before States and that regional weigh in will not suffice this season would have been a good idea!
Could not a morning weigh in for the morning session & an afternoon weigh in for the afternoon session been done on Sunday in addition to Saturdays weigh in? My understanding is that once wrestlers weight, etc is put in Trackwrestling, the computer creates the required brackets.
On 1/18/2017 at 3:07 PM, Mr. Matman said:I’m not here to argue my stance on the suggestion of participation awards. That can go on and on, I’d rather not waste the time. Here is a scenario for you: A third grader has friends that talk about wrestling at school. This kid gets excited and wants to join. His parents are reluctant, but decide to let him give it a try. He’s a first year kid and gets beat on at every tournament. This kid attends state and falls short of placing. The season is over. The parents, not fully understanding the benefits of wrestling in the first place allow the kid to give up the sport since he didn’t enjoy it anyway. Children cannot even begin to comprehend the concept that you feel a participation award represents anyway. Wrestling is a very demanding sport, yes, and if you stick with it you have the opportunity to gain a lot from the sport. So a kid that wrestles 4 full matches in the state tournament, which should be the toughest youth tournament at the state level, but doesn’t place is one that didn’t work hard? You say you’ve never wrestled, go wrestle live for 3 minutes and then come back and tell me how easy it was. Again, these are children at the youth level. What is keeping these kids excited to come back and continue with their participation? I offered up a suggestion, and it was just that. All I ever hear about is numbers “we don’t have the numbers”. What is something you feel could be a solution to this problem? I myself am more concerned with competition. Great competition comes through years of experience in any particular sport. Keeping kids involved is ultimately what will lead to high level competition. Keeping involvement up is the “numbers” that everyone preaches about.
I think this should be handled by the club in an off season banquet or something. My kid wins and my kid loses and guess what the losses make him work harder to get the wins. It sucks to lose but that is life. I think to be a wrestler good or bad they have a certain mindset and usually a parent of one of these kids do to. You don't give up because it wasn't easy and if the parent lets the kid give up it's on the parent. Not the coaches, the association, etc. I think your heart is in the right place because it really is heart breaking to personally know a child that has given everything and still come up short. I've been that mom but it's up to the team, coaches and FAMILY to encourage the child and let them know that when you lose you keep going!
Track wrestling does input the kids and put them in the brackets, but track doesn't seperate kids by team/region. The person creating these brackets has always seperated 1st round matches to allow kids to not wrestle the same kid they see all year in the 1st round of a "state" tournament. That's where the time comes into play. Imagine going through 72 brackets or so and having to separate kids in each one of them manually. It would take at least an hour to do that. I agree it's dumb to get rid of remote weighins but unfortunately this year it's that way.
Coaches,
We have decided to add morning weigh ins for the Youth state tournament on the day of.
Here is the schedule for weigh ins:
-Friday February 3rd6-9PM at Crowne Plaza Hotel 830 Philips Lane Louisville, KY 40209
-Saturday February 4th1-4PM at Crowne Plaza Hotel 830 Philips Lane Louisville, KY 40209
-Sunday February 5th6:30-7:30AM at Broadbent Arena
-Sunday February 5th 11:00AM-12:00PM at Broadbent Arena
Please encourage wrestlers that can to weigh in prior to the day of the event. Make sure your wrestlers are aware they must show a copy of their Birth Certificate at weigh in.
Questions or issues please contact:
Jonathan Strayer @ [email protected]
Tyler Baines @ [email protected]
Scott Raney @ [email protected]
On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 9:48 PM, KSWA Staff said:We have had remote sites for weigh ins for years, and all that was heard was that they were not done within the rules and the weights were not accurate.
Not sure why all the flack for going to a weigh in process more similar to what national tournaments do.
Okay,quick question pertaining to youth state weigh ins.My girl will be at middle school state tournament as an alternate Saturday.I think I was told that her weigh in Saturday for middle school state will be counted for youth state.Is this correct? Just making sure.
6 minutes ago, She Beast said:Okay,quick question pertaining to youth state weigh ins.My girl will be at middle school state tournament as an alternate Saturday.I think I was told that her weigh in Saturday for middle school state will be counted for youth state.Is this correct? Just making sure.
Yes Marcella, MS weigh-ins will count
Jonathan Strayer
On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 9:48 PM, KSWA Staff said:7 minutes ago, jnv858 said:Yes Marcella, MS weigh-ins will count
Jonathan Strayer
Ok thanks Jonathan Strayer,I'm a little slow and I have this annoying habit of checking and rechecking everything over and over again.Lol!
We have had remote sites for weigh ins for years, and all that was heard was that they were not done within the rules and the weights were not accurate.
Not sure why all the flack for going to a weigh in process more similar to what national tournaments do.
Okay,quick question about pertaining to youth state weigh ins.My girl will be at middle school state tournament as an alternate Saturday.I think I was told that her weigh in Saturday for middle school state will be counted for youth state.Is this correct? Just making sure.
1 hour ago, She Beast said:Okay,quick question about pertaining to youth state weigh ins.My girl will be at middle school state tournament as an alternate Saturday.I think I was told that her weigh in Saturday for middle school state will be counted for youth state.Is this correct? Just making sure.
Yes MS weight in counts as youth weigh in.