Any future 5 timers out there?  I give Zeke ,Noah Duke and little Moore a chance any others out there?

Yost did his job last year, and is in a similar position this year in regards to the rankings.

Yost has the best shot as of right now due to already winning a high school title as an 8th grader. The other youngsters mentioned are all very special talents, but haven't won anything on the high school level yet. But, of the ones mentioned other than Yost though, I think Moore probably has the best shot. 

Apples and oranges. It's not accurate to value a 106 or 113 title the same as others...and no 8th grader is going to win a high school state title above those weights. Which brings me to my point: why are middle schoolers competing in a "high school" state tournament!?

Harrison Courtney didn't win as an 8th grader, but was definitely the best wrestler in the state at 130 that year.  He went on to win three titles at 145 and the fourth at 160.  It's not common but not impossible.

Because they can. And I'm not taking anything away from any kid who puts 5 matches together and wins a title. Not an easy thing to do at any weight. Yost is a state champ bottom line. While it is less likely a ms kid wins a title at a higher weight, it can happen. Austin Meyers likely would have done it. Lawson almost pulled it off.  Courtney should have done it. Carr did it. Based on what I have seen this season, better watch out for Duke to challenge for it next year (not counting him out this weekend either). 

Great examples Ranger! All hammers! 

7 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:

Because they can. And I'm not taking anything away from any kid who puts 5 matches together and wins a title. Not an easy thing to do at any weight. Yost is a state champ bottom line. While it is less likely a ms kid wins a title at a higher weight, it can happen. Austin Meyers likely would have done it. Lawson almost pulled it off.  Courtney should have done it. Carr did it. Based on what I have seen this season, better watch out for Duke to challenge for it next year (not counting him out this weekend either). 

Debate won 

High school is another level. Doesnt matter how many titles you win in middle school or how good you are once you hit the level where people have hit puberty. From personal experience, thats my take

33 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:

Because they can. And I'm not taking anything away from any kid who puts 5 matches together and wins a title. Not an easy thing to do at any weight. Yost is a state champ bottom line. While it is less likely a ms kid wins a title at a higher weight, it can happen. Austin Meyers likely would have done it. Lawson almost pulled it off.  Courtney should have done it. Carr did it. Based on what I have seen this season, better watch out for Duke to challenge for it next year (not counting him out this weekend either). 

Anybody ever won it as an 8th grader that wasn't a held back a year ? 

14 minutes ago, Wky said:

Anybody ever won it as an 8th grader that wasn't a held back a year ? 

Yost

Yost

Joe Carr Jr

30 minutes ago, Nike Man said:

Joe Carr Jr

Got beat by Greg Woodring in finals,Carr's 8th grade year.

What weight was Brocks 1st

Negative. Got beat by Woodring as a freshman. Won it as an 8th grader.

10 minutes ago, Nike Man said:

Negative. Got beat by Woodring as a freshman. Won it as an 8th grader.

10 minutes ago, Nike Man said:

My mistake thought he was an eighth grader 

15 minutes ago, Jrodc said:

What weight was Brocks 1st

103

Was Brock Ervin held back a year?

I believe so, first or second grade. 

7 hours ago, Nkawtg said:

Apples and oranges. It's not accurate to value a 106 or 113 title the same as others...and no 8th grader is going to win a high school state title above those weights. Which brings me to my point: why are middle schoolers competing in a "high school" state tournament!?

How about David Carr vs Blackwell at 126. Hasn't Carr won the title since then? I know he moved to Ohio but I believe he has won it ever year since. 

He has

Take middle schoolers out of the state tournament and you basically lose your lower weightclasses lol.. Senseless comment "how dare these young kids compete against older kids it aint right i tell ya" lol

11 minutes ago, tja said:

Take middle schoolers out of the state tournament and you basically lose your lower weightclasses lol.. Senseless comment "how dare these young kids compete against older kids it aint right i tell ya" lol

I think the sentiment of that comment was that it's much harder to win as a middle schooler at say, 126+. There are definitely anomalies that do well, but I don't recall anyone as an 8th grader winning state at any of those weights, especially when you get to 170(171)+. Like, to say that any middle schooler on the planet Earth would have beat Taylor Scherer at 215 his junior and senior is really just stretching the limits of possibilities. Someone like Myers or Scherer were phenoms in their own right but to win as an 8th grader at those weights would be so hard to do and if they did some how manage it, it would be more of a testament to them being very good and mature for their age. It's not uncommon for an 8th grader to win 106(103) or 113(112). 

1 hour ago, justaref said:

I think the sentiment of that comment was that it's much harder to win as a middle schooler at say, 126+. There are definitely anomalies that do well, but I don't recall anyone as an 8th grader winning state at any of those weights, especially when you get to 170(171)+. Like, to say that any middle schooler on the planet Earth would have beat Taylor Scherer at 215 his junior and senior is really just stretching the limits of possibilities. Someone like Myers or Scherer were phenoms in their own right but to win as an 8th grader at those weights would be so hard to do and if they did some how manage it, it would be more of a testament to them being very good and mature for their age. It's not uncommon for an 8th grader to win 106(103) or 113(112). 

When you say uncommon how many have done it . I would not say it's common. Without knowing I'll bet it's under 10 

Joe Carr Jr, Brock Ervin, Chase Yost, David Carr (if you count him)... those are all the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

2 hours ago, Zeus said:

Joe Carr Jr, Brock Ervin, Chase Yost, David Carr (if you count him)... those are all the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

It's still very uncommon for an 8th grader to win the state title, at any weight. When the lights are on, a kid winning the big show as a middle schooler is something very special. I just can't recall it ever being done once at the upper weights. Going through the results KHSAA puts together gets really tiresome around 2010 so I stopped my search there. There were 0 middle schoolers that placed at 170+, while many 8th grade placers are seen at the lower weights. Even some 7th graders. You're pretty hard pressed to even find eighth graders that made it to state at 152+. 

27 minutes ago, justaref said:

It's still very uncommon for an 8th grader to win the state title, at any weight. When the lights are on, a kid winning the big show as a middle schooler is something very special. I just can't recall it ever being done once at the upper weights. Going through the results KHSAA puts together gets really tiresome around 2010 so I stopped my search there. There were 0 middle schoolers that placed at 170+, while many 8th grade placers are seen at the lower weights. Even some 7th graders. You're pretty hard pressed to even find eighth graders that made it to state at 152+. 

 

No no no no no... I agree with your points, about 8th graders at all weights and especially at the middle and upper weights.  Someone asked above for 8th graders that have won a title so I named the ones I could think of.

16 minutes ago, Zeus said:

No no no no no... I agree with your points, about 8th graders at all weights and especially at the middle and upper weights.  Someone asked above for 8th graders that have won a title so I named the ones I could think of.

Ah okay. You naming that few just made me realize how truly uncommon it is at any weight. Even some of the best wrestlers to come out of this state managed 3rd-8th or not placing their 7th/8th grade years. 

I think Bryce even placed 8th at 106 his 8th grade year if I'm not mistaken shows how tough to make a run at 5 really is..

33 minutes ago, tja said:

I think Bryce even placed 8th at 106 his 8th grade year if I'm not mistaken shows how tough to make a run at 5 really is..

It's also a 'stars aligning' kind of situation too in my opinion. Certain years the weights aren't as stacked, the top is 'thin', good draws, having great days all play a factor in this. For instance, if there's a 4 timer ending their senior year at 106 or 113, it's going to be very hard for an 8th grader to come in and beat him. Possible, but very unlikely. However, if there was a sophomore that won it last year at say 106, but isn't quite the wrestler the 4 timer I mentioned before is then it is theoretically more likely that an 8th grader could more easily win that match and lead to a potential 5 timer situation. Sometimes kids are just absolute studs and nothing else matters, but I think this is the case and the difference whether a great 8th grader wins state or not, the competition at the weight that year.

24 minutes ago, justaref said:

It's also a 'stars aligning' kind of situation too in my opinion. Certain years the weights aren't as stacked, the top is 'thin', good draws, having great days all play a factor in this. For instance, if there's a 4 timer ending their senior year at 106 or 113, it's going to be very hard for an 8th grader to come in and beat him. Possible, but very unlikely. However, if there was a sophomore that won it last year at say 106, but isn't quite the wrestler the 4 timer I mentioned before is then it is theoretically more likely that an 8th grader could more easily win that match and lead to a potential 5 timer situation. Sometimes kids are just absolute studs and nothing else matters, but I think this is the case and the difference whether a great 8th grader wins state or not, the competition at the weight that year.

1 hour ago, tja said:

I think Bryce even placed 8th at 106 his 8th grade year if I'm not mistaken shows how tough to make a run at 5 really is..

Bryce placed 7th, 4 kids in that group went on to to be 2x finalist . Lawson moved . Bryce beat the winner Vega  the following year as a freshmen  11-1 in semis .

I couldn't remember if it was 7th or 8th just remember the whole group of placers were really tough.

There are still seniors in low weight classes 106/113 that don't win their senior year. Mostly I'm referring to Travis Sullivan 

Not 100% sure on this but didn't Raynel Brown from UC make it to state as a heavyweight in 8th grade? Maybe 2011 or 2012.

11 minutes ago, 119Rider said:

Not 100% sure on this but didn't Raynel Brown from UC make it to state as a heavyweight in 8th grade? Maybe 2011 or 2012.

Yes he did. 

35 minutes ago, FalconWrestling said:

There are still seniors in low weight classes 106/113 that don't win their senior year. Mostly I'm referring to Travis Sullivan 

I think both Hernandez brothers were seniors 106/113 lost in finals 

17 minutes ago, Wky said:

I think both Hernandez brothers were seniors 106/113 lost in finals 

Well with Sullivan he was a 3-timer going into the finals his senior year

1 hour ago, FalconWrestling said:

There are still seniors in low weight classes 106/113 that don't win their senior year. Mostly I'm referring to Travis Sullivan 

There are 7 middle schoolers in it this year at 106 two 7th graders Reece Goss and Asher Jones. And a ton of freshmen.

1 hour ago, tja said:

There are 7 middle schoolers in it this year at 106 two 7th graders Reece Goss and Asher Jones. And a ton of freshmen.

It's par for the course.

Got this from a quick search on Trackwrestling.com.  I would agree that there are not many Sr. and Jr wrestlers at 106 or even 113.  That's for obvious reasons though.   

106 lb

2017 8 middle school 2 7th 11 9th grade

2016 8 middle school 3 7^th  10 9th grade

2015 9 middle school 2 7^{th    13 9th grade}

2014 7 middle school 0 7^{th    14 9th grade}

2013 7 middle school 2 7^th   10 9th grade

To answer about the upper wts with middle school kids.  

Livingston Merritt Hoptown

7th 140 5th place

8th 152 4th place

just in case you are wondering

9th 189 3rd place

10th 215 1st place

11th 215 1st place

12th Hwt 1st place

On 2/12/2017 at 4:09 PM, tja said:

Debate won 

I don't get too excited about a 9th grader wining at 106 as that class shouldn't even be a varsity weight. The class is mostuly frosh and some soph. Very few juniors and Seniors. 

Too many forfeits as it is. Eliminate 106 in Ky followed by eliminating middle school particiapation in high school events. 

30 minutes ago, Nkawtg said:

I don't get too excited about a 9th grader wining at 106 as that class shouldn't even be a varsity weight. The class is mostuly frosh and some soph. Very few juniors and Seniors. 

 

Too many forfeits as it is. Eliminate 106 in Ky followed by eliminating middle school particiapation in high school events. 

Dumb...

29 minutes ago, tja said:

Dumb...

That's putting it nicely

8 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

To answer about the upper wts with middle school kids.  

Livingston Merritt Hoptown

7th 140 5th place

8th 152 4th place

just in case you are wondering

9th 189 3rd place

10th 215 1st place

11th 215 1st place

12th Hwt 1st place

 

Merritt was before my time, but that resume is incredible. Jumping nearly 40 lbs in one year is pretty wild too. Thank you for sharing.

I remember Harrison Courtney's run his 8th grade year. Joey Sanders (Wayne County) won a questionable match in the semis. I believe that was at 130? 

1 hour ago, Nkawtg said:

I don't get too excited about a 9th grader wining at 106 as that class shouldn't even be a varsity weight. The class is mostuly frosh and some soph. Very few juniors and Seniors. 

 

Too many forfeits as it is. Eliminate 106 in Ky followed by eliminating middle school particiapation in high school events. 

When I was in High School, 99lbs was the lowest class.  There are lots of good kids at 106.  I see no need to force them up to 113 by eliminating that weight class.  And I'm definitely not for not allowing middle schoolers to wrestle in high school.  If a kid can earn the spot and compete, let him wrestle.  

Liam and Jackson warner in a few years both are tougher than their father ben warner(liam)and older brother ben (Jackson)  lol

59 minutes ago, Old wrestler said:

Merritt was before my time, but that resume is incredible. Jumping nearly 40 lbs in one year is pretty wild too. Thank you for sharing.

I remember Harrison Courtney's run his 8th grade year. Joey Sanders (Wayne County) won a questionable match in the semis. I believe that was at 130? 

Have to give credit to Sanders for doing what it took to win, but yes it was probably the biggest hose job I've ever seen, and I don't complain about officials often.

2 hours ago, Nkawtg said:

I don't get too excited about a 9th grader wining at 106 as that class shouldn't even be a varsity weight. The class is mostuly frosh and some soph. Very few juniors and Seniors. 

 

Too many forfeits as it is. Eliminate 106 in Ky followed by eliminating middle school particiapation in high school events. 

Heck yeah lets get rid of 106.  Why do we even let these small kids wrestle anyway *sarc*

Oh yeah because these little guys become bigger guys their Jr. and Sr. year.  

We already raised the weight since my day 98 then 105 were the 1st and 2nd wt. classes.  Lets give more kids reasons not to wrestle. 

I think someone else said it "dumb"

1 hour ago, rjs4470 said:

When I was in High School, 99lbs was the lowest class.  There are lots of good kids at 106.  I see no need to force them up to 113 by eliminating that weight class.  And I'm definitely not for not allowing middle schoolers to wrestle in high school.  If a kid can earn the spot and compete, let him wrestle.  

Doesn't that unfairly disadvantage private schools who don't enroll middle schoolers?

14 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

Heck yeah lets get rid of 106.  Why do we even let these small kids wrestle anyway *sarc*

Oh yeah because these little guys become bigger guys their Jr. and Sr. year.  

We already raised the weight since my day 98 then 105 were the 1st and 2nd wt. classes.  Lets give more kids reasons not to wrestle. 

I think someone else said it "dumb"

Let them wrestle but call it what it is. A jv weight class. 

Just now, Nkawtg said:

Doesn't that unfairly disadvantage private schools who don't enroll middle schoolers?

It hasn't seemed to hurt private schools thus far, not just in wrestling but in other sports as well.

23 hours ago, Note_taker45 said:

How about David Carr vs Blackwell at 126. Hasn't Carr won the title since then? I know he moved to Ohio but I believe he has won it ever year since. 

8th grader Carr winning at 126 was impressive. Very impressive. An 8th or 9th grader winning a tournament full of 13-15 year olds at 106 and calling it a high school state title is silly. 

5 minutes ago, Nkawtg said:

Let them wrestle but call it what it is. A jv weight class. 

So Escelera, Mattingly, Pye and Deck are jv quality wrestlers??  What about the lack of depth in the upper weight classes, like 195-220??  Those classes are populated by mostly high school kids, and do have some very good wrestlers.  But typically, those weights don't have the depth other weight classes have, and certainly aren't any deeper than 106.

Many states don't allow middle schoolers to compete, but yet seem to fill the 106 class.  Middle schoolers filling 106 is more of a KY issue than a national issue.

2 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

That's putting it nicely

You're not exactly unbiased, are you?

Citadel Wrestling.......takes a JV to know another.  

8 minutes ago, Nkawtg said:

4 minutes ago, Nkawtg said:

You're not exactly unbiased, are you?

For what it's worth, Ranger's team has a junior at 106.  

3 hours ago, Nkawtg said:

I don't get too excited about a 9th grader wining at 106 as that class shouldn't even be a varsity weight. The class is mostuly frosh and some soph. Very few juniors and Seniors. 

 

Too many forfeits as it is. Eliminate 106 in Ky followed by eliminating middle school particiapation in high school events. 

Last time I checked frosh and soph are high school classes , didn't realize you had to be a     junior or senior to be considered in high school 

Our guy is wrestling a senior at 106 first round... I call the level of technique at the lighter weights way way way way above "JV"...

This dude is either 

1. Trolling.

2. Has zero knowledge about the sport of wrestling.

3. His kid got beat up by an 8th grader..

4. Lost his varsity spot to a middle schooler back in the day..

14 minutes ago, tja said:

This dude is either 

1. Trolling.

2. Has zero knowledge of the sport of wrestling.

3. His kid got beat up by an 8th grader..

4. Lost his varsity spot to a middle schooler back in the day..

 

 

Probably the 4th

8 hours ago, REscalera said:

Citadel Wrestling.......takes a JV to know another.  

Why the insults?

El CID is anythjng but JV. Maybe you don't care for the military?  What gives?

106 is a JV weight class. It's full of middle schoolers, frosh and sophomores competing against each other. That's not what varsity athletics is supposed to be. 

8 hours ago, tja said:

This dude is either 

1. Trolling.

2. Has zero knowledge about the sport of wrestling.

3. His kid got beat up by an 8th grader..

4. Lost his varsity spot to a middle schooler back in the day..

 

 

1.  Just offering an opinion. 

2.  Major wrestling junkie since 5th grade and I'm old now. 

3. Uh, nope. 

4. DI wrestler who walked on and beat the kid on scholarship. I was a scholarship wrestler the next season. 

All Im saying is let the high school kids have their moment. Trae Blackwell should have been a state champ his senior year. Having to wrestle an all-world, non-high school 8th grader in the finals takes away from the high school experience. Also, crowning a weight class champion at a weight few if any upperclassmen compete in is ridiculous. That's what NHSCA grade levels are for. 

The lightweight bias is strong on this site. 

What weight was Mark Hall?

That makes zero since. If Trae was supposed to win a State Championship, he would have won a State Championship. The fact that he was a senior and got beat by an 8th grader absolutely defeats your argument of letting middle school kids wrestle up. Apparently an 8th grade Carr (JV by your standards) was the better man that day at the big boy varsity State Tournament. 

1 minute ago, depperschmidt said:

What weight was Mark Hall?

119 I believe 

Here are some stats going into the IHSAA State Tournament this weekend.  (This was taken from Indiana Mat.  I'm not a statistician but I like to look at them!)

Worst record:0.526 (show this to kids that don't believe that record doesn't matter)

55 unranked wrestlers are wrestling at bankers life this weekend. That's about a quarter of those wrestling. (.2455357143 to be exact)

There are exactly 19 undefeated wrestlers going into the tournament


Freshmen: 18
Sophomores:29
Juniors:70
Seniors:107

There are 6 previous champions

133 wrestlers with no previous state experience

Average record %: .887
   

So that means that 169 wrestlers that were in the state rankings made it.  Not impossible for an unranked guy to make it but your chances are better if you are ranked.  There are always some unranked bracket busters in the ticket round at semi-state that makes the tournament exciting though!

NKAWTK;

What exactly are you trying to say?  

I believe that many teams in the state have 9th and 10th graders on their team in other sports.  I don't know the breakdown but maybe there are more 9th and 10th graders on special teams in football, or some other position in soccer.  Should we then get rid of that position? 

you have to look at 106 as a part of the entire team.  So what if there are a majority of underclassman in that weight-class?  Why is this a concern? 

106 is consistently a deeper weight class with more all around skilled wrestlers than HWYT. 

     You have to realize that wrestling appeals to the smaller kids.  What other sport can a small kid participate and compete in?  These kids are the heart of wrestling, if you take them out you will hurt wrestling drastically.  Wrestling continues to cater to the big guys. Adding a wt. class raising the max wt at HWT.  We do this and the quality of wrestling overall at the top 3 wt. classes are not close to as good as the rest of the wt. classes.  Don't get me wrong there are a few exceptional wrestlers at these wt. classes but top to bottom these are the weakest wt. classes overall. 

34 minutes ago, Nkawtg said:

Why the insults?

El CID is anythjng but JV. Maybe you don't care for the military?  What gives?

 

106 is a JV weight class. It's full of middle schoolers, frosh and sophomores competing against each other. That's not what varsity athletics is supposed to be. 

One of the best things about the sport of wrestling is the even playing ground. you do not have to be 6'7" tall to compete like in basketball, or weigh 300+ lbs like in other sports. people of all sizes can compete and do well. I was 119 my fresh. year too small for football.  eliminating smaller weights from competing would be discriminating to these athletes especially the 106 lb seniors.

10 hours ago, Nkawtg said:

You're not exactly unbiased, are you?

Actually yes. My position will not change on this long after my kids have moved on. I've always fought for the lighter weights and will continue to do so. MS coaches have discussed eliminating 70/75 from our lineups. But when you look at the list of kids who have come through those weights the QUALITY of wrestler that we are involving is off the charts for our state. As has been stated by many others, why would we hurt our sport by throwing out smaller kids with very few sports options and further hurt our numbers as well as the quality of our product. 

I haven't looked at the numbers, but my guess is the vast majority of the D1 wrestlers from KY have been 103/106 pounders at some point in their HS career. I wonder if that experience helped them to develop to the level they achieved?

1 hour ago, Nkawtg said:

Why the insults?

El CID is anythjng but JV. Maybe you don't care for the military?  What gives?

 

106 is a JV weight class. It's full of middle schoolers, frosh and sophomores competing against each other. That's not what varsity athletics is supposed to be. 

Only 8 of the 32 at 106 are middle school kids. 

You being in the military has absolutely nothing to do with your statement that 106 is a JV weightclass and me thinking that is a dumb statement has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion on yoyr service which i thank you for... And i still think your opinion is not very intelligent and there is no real facts to support your case other than you dont like the little guys...

You jacked a thread made a statement that facts easily disprove you can have your opinion that 106 is a "JV" weightclass and i along with basically the entire wrestling community has the right to think that your opinion is wrong because facts simply support that the lighter weights are pretty skilled and far from JV..

2 hours ago, Nkawtg said:

Why the insults?

El CID is anythjng but JV. Maybe you don't care for the military?  What gives?

 

106 is a JV weight class. It's full of middle schoolers, frosh and sophomores competing against each other. That's not what varsity athletics is supposed to be. 

 My statement was used to point out the ridiculousness of you and your statement. Funny how you take insult to it but don't find the same problem with your message.  A bit of a double standard you're living, isn't it?   El Cid has a coach that had accumulated a .500 record over 16 years and has 4 AA in the history of its wrestling program.  It would be easy to paint it's wrestling program with a broad stroke and say it shouldn't be a D1 program but it would also be wrong.  They have some very capable wrestlers.  The same with 106 and 113.  Heck, the most sought after senior in the country this year, Spencer Lee, wrestled 113 as a junior last year and he was far from JV. 

11 hours ago, Nkawtg said:

Doesn't that unfairly disadvantage private schools who don't enroll middle schoolers?

I'm pretty sure private schools are allowed to pull from their feeder schools, this assumes it's a religious school.

Just now, Zeus said:

I'm pretty sure private schools are allowed to pull from their feeder schools, this assumes it's a religious school.

Neither St. X, Trinity, nor DeSales have or are able to do so to my knowledge. But none of the three have struggled filling 106

3 hours ago, Nkawtg said:

Why the insults?

El CID is anythjng but JV. Maybe you don't care for the military?  What gives?

 

106 is a JV weight class. It's full of middle schoolers, frosh and sophomores competing against each other. That's not what varsity athletics is supposed to be. 

Union county lineup 

2-8th 

4-fresh

2-soph

3 - jr 

3- sr 

 they seem to be doing alright.

Good to know FalconWrestling.

Carr won his 8th grade title at 103, lost a close match in the finals at 119 to Greg Woodring, a senior I think who was tough in his one right, and is on this site by the way.  Carr then won at 126, 140 and 145 I believe.

Can we all acknowledge how special Austin Myers was by the way.  He won as a freshman at 220 against, correct me if I'm wrong, a senior returning state champ.

20 minutes ago, Zeus said:

Can we all acknowledge how special Austin Myers was by the way.  He won as a freshman at 220 against, correct me if I'm wrong, a senior returning state champ.

where did that come from?

I don't think anyone has forgotten him. 

It's relevant to this conversation because we're discussing younger wrestlers winning titles at lower weight classes, whereas he did it at 220.  Same point as Harrison Courtney doing it at the middle weights, but even more so I think.

14 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

where did that come from?

I don't think anyone has forgotten him. 

Joe Carr Jr. was far from a JV kid as an 8th grader. Even his freshman year he was significantly better than several of the wrestlers in his division at 119. I was also lucky enough to compete as a 8th grader for UC at 112. Brad Ervin and Junior Brown were also on that team and competed at a varsity level. Brad was our varsity 103 while Junior was varsity 170 I believe. We all gained valuable experience from being on a varsity team and competing at a high level. So, if a 7th or 8th grader can compete no matter the weight, there shouldn't be anyone stopping them from doing so. JMO

Seems to me this has gotten off topic. Should just start another thead about 106/113

My hope is that the 5 timer streak continues at UC with Zeke.

So it looks like there are about 20 or so middle schoolers wrestling this weekend so they all have a shot at it . I think Zeke can do it along with little Moore. Duke has a tougher time because his so dam big and will face Jr's. And srs.

I simply do not accept that a freshman who wins a state title at 106 is any better than a solid freshman getting spanked by 17-18 year olds at 160. 

I'm much more impressed with what Zane Brown has done as a sophomore at 152 and what Kadin Kulmer is doing at 182 than I am with a freshman beating freshman and 8th graders to win 106. 

who is little moore?  Ryan's younger brother I assume?  Is he wrestling HS or is he just dominating middle school already so folks assume he will win 5 titles?

2 hours ago, REscalera said:

 My statement was used to point out the ridiculousness of you and your statement. Funny how you take insult to it but don't find the same problem with your message.  A bit of a double standard you're living, isn't it?   El Cid has a coach that had accumulated a .500 record over 16 years and has 4 AA in the history of its wrestling program.  It would be easy to paint it's wrestling program with a broad stroke and say it shouldn't be a D1 program but it would also be wrong.  They have some very capable wrestlers.  The same with 106 and 113.  Heck, the most sought after senior in the country this year, Spencer Lee, wrestled 113 as a junior last year and he was far from JV. 

The Citadel has done exceptionally well at the DI level in having multiple all Americans. We only have a student body of 2000 cadets. Geez. 

New York sponsors a 98 lb class at the JV level...at least recently. I'm sure they still do. Those are great wrestlers. Same for 106. It's a JV Weighy since it's mainly freshman. 

Youth and middle school wrestling in Kentucky is an abomination right now compared to other states.  Having far too many middle school weight classes makes for ridiculously long days and that loses kids in the end.  

Why not have an 80 lb class at the KHSAA tournament and bring in some 6th graders?  Because that's ridiculous as it is a high school tournament. Same goes for 8th graders and 106. 

I know for a fact people all over the country are contemplating making some of these changes. Wade Schalles makes some of these points often as well. 

He has a real legitimate sho

1 hour ago, 119Rider said:

My hope is that the 5 timer streak continues at UC with Zeke.

I think he has a real legitmate shot. Technique wise I  think he might be a little bit ahead of where Brock was at this point. I like Yost to get his secon this year partially because everyone seems to be writing him off.

15 minutes ago, Nkawtg said:

The Citadel has done exceptionally well at the DI level in having multiple all Americans. We only have a student body of 2000 cadets. Geez. 

New York sponsors a 98 lb class at the JV level...at least recently. I'm sure they still do. Those are great wrestlers. Same for 106. It's a JV Weighy since it's mainly freshman. 

Youth and middle school wrestling in Kentucky is an abomination right now compared to other states.  Having far too many middle school weight classes makes for ridiculously long days and that loses kids in the end.  

Why not have an 80 lb class at the KHSAA tournament and bring in some 6th graders?  Because that's ridiculous as it is a high school tournament. Same goes for 8th graders and 106. 

 

I know for a fact people all over the country are contemplating making some of these changes. Wade Schalles makes some of these points often as well. 

99 lbs in NY is a varsity weight.   As for our weight classes, at any level, do they not mirror those set forth by USA wrestling?   Man you are good for chuckles. Stick around dude. 

15 minutes ago, tja said:

He has a real legitimate sho

I think he has a real legitmate shot. Technique wise I  think he might be a little bit ahead of where Brock was at this point. I like Yost to get his secon this year partially because everyone seems to be writing him off.

Not me: see my predictions. 

Also: Seth Slayton (8th grader from Caldwell) qualified at 152 for state. Ethan Tomerlin (8th grader from Ft. Campbell) qualified as well at 170.

15 minutes ago, REscalera said:

99 lbs in NY is a varsity weight.   As for our weight classes, at any level, do they not mirror those set forth by USA wrestling?   Man you are good for chuckles. Stick around dude. 

Tell Zeke a state title will only count once he is at 126 or above because those little guys are JV im sure he will get a good laugh..

6 minutes ago, tja said:

Tell Zeke a state title will only count once he is at 126 or above because those little guys are JV im sure he will get a good laugh..

He's got to win one first before I talk to him about state titles.  Anything can happen on the big stage.  It can have very bad consequences for his title hopes the minute he starts looking past any wrestler.  If he can make it to the semi finals he will have some very tough wrestlers ahead of him.  All, of which,  are very capable of beating him.  

59 minutes ago, Nkawtg said:

The Citadel has done exceptionally well at the DI level in having multiple all Americans. We only have a student body of 2000 cadets. Geez. 

New York sponsors a 98 lb class at the JV level...at least recently. I'm sure they still do. Those are great wrestlers. Same for 106. It's a JV Weighy since it's mainly freshman. 

Youth and middle school wrestling in Kentucky is an abomination right now compared to other states.  Having far too many middle school weight classes makes for ridiculously long days and that loses kids in the end.  

Why not have an 80 lb class at the KHSAA tournament and bring in some 6th graders?  Because that's ridiculous as it is a high school tournament. Same goes for 8th graders and 106. 

 

I know for a fact people all over the country are contemplating making some of these changes. Wade Schalles makes some of these points often as well. 

I'll answer your question with another question: why have weight classes at all?  Why not just have one class and everyone wrestles in one bracket regardless of age and weight?  Let's just have one champion!  That sounds pretty ridiculous too, right? 

At some point, you have to have the lightest weight class. Proposing doing away with 106 and eliminating MS wrestlers from competing does nothing but eliminate opportunities for kids to participate.  I don't see how that helps anything.  I personally don't think HWT or 220 is nearly as hard to compete in compared to 106, but I still appreciate the benefit of having those weights.  

Everyone knows Kentucky is not a powerhouse in wrestling, but I am sure there would be MS kids competing for and possibly winning HS state in powerhouse states if given the opportunity.  The fact that we allow it makes us somewhat unique and helps teams field a full team which should be viewed as a good thing. 

All the discussion of numbers being down, perennial top teams not even fielding a full roster, some brackets not being full at regions and this guy's solution is to get rid of middle school competitors altogether because he thinks 106 and 113 aren't big enough to be considered "varsity" whatever the hell that means. Makes zero sense.

Yes little Moore is Ryan's brother. Yes he is dominating ms ,hasn't lost in a long time with a tough schedule

Yost is the front runner, he already has one.  He is in a tough weight class but has proved he can hang.

Zeke has the best shot to make it happen.  I don't think he is cutting much weight and could be 106 or 113 next year.

Payne Carr is another kid nobody is talking about he is also in a very tough weight class.

Spencer Moore is only a 7th grader and has another year to grow.  If he gets close to 100 pounds and can get into Walton's line up he has a chance.

Noah Duke also a 7th grader.  Who knows what we will weigh next year.  He has gone from 105 in the 5th grade, to 130 in the 6th grade, and just wrestled 152 at Middle School. 

If Payne Carr improves again like he did this year, he is a serious threat at a 4 timer. Union has another couple of 7th grade middle school champs that have a shot if theres a spot for them next year.

That really does factor into it , having a spot available. If Tom KC had a spot this year I would have giving him shot at it.

Duke, Belk.  All depends on what weight and off season. 

On 2/14/2017 at 8:09 PM, Nkawtg said:

I don't get too excited about a 9th grader wining at 106 as that class shouldn't even be a varsity weight. The class is mostuly frosh and some soph. Very few juniors and Seniors. 

 

Too many forfeits as it is. Eliminate 106 in Ky followed by eliminating middle school particiapation in high school events. 

That makes about as much sense as giving out participation ribbons.  Not all kids are 113 as freshman or sophomores. So let's just eliminate them. Pound for pound some of the most fun matches to watch are lower weights. 

Seth Slayton 8th grader upsets a 1..

Keaton Elliott 8th grader beats a senior..

Guess we can mark off Yost

Could we have 6 timer. That Duke boy is tearing it up

The number of HS titles is not an indication of ultimate success. The truly best achieve it at the college and international level! That's where the measurement should be especially with all of the state of Kentucky wrestling talk!