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2017 Ranger Report
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Love it!
Has Anthony (182 for Hoptown) wrestled Buckman (Union County)? Niko Bussell wrestled Buckman in the finals after beating Anthony in the regional semifinals. I checked trackwrestling, and I don't see Buckman and Anthony wrestling this season. I could be mistaken (overlooked it)... I know sometimes everything doesn't get entered in track as it should. 
Good stuff
The subtle comments @ 120 
. Actually bringing the heat throughout the whole report! Great job Dutch and Ranger. Let's hope everyone stays injury free this weekend.
Good stuff. I liked the comments about the state of KY wrestling. I am definitely one of those in the camp of population makes it harder for us to compete with OH and PA. I do personally believe our top teams can compete at a lot of Indiana tournaments and do fairly well, year after year. Same goes for WV, TN, etc. Some states are just so thick with stiff competition, like OH, I think that's where the line is drawn. I do really believe that the top ~6-8 states are ahead of the game but after that it's really up in the air and teams like Union Co. can compete nearly anywhere outside of a large OH/PA tournament and do great.
I think if we in Louisville could figure out what the heck is going on that the state will improve immensely. There's so many schools without programs, lack of feeder programs compared to population densities in areas, etc. Is there even a single feeder program/private club in the Dixie/Shively/Iroquois area? It's crazy to think and it's hard to find the cause. Is it just lack of coaches sticking around at these schools? Lack of interest from AD? Funding? Would more 'private' clubs help Louisville?
It is truly depressing to not see Johnson vs. Sheffer in the finals. The match of the tournament will be wrestled on the first day, sort of a huge let down. Would have been nice for at least to be in the semis so it could've been second day action. I'm a huge advocate for seeding out the state tournament from top to bottom in every weight. I do not think big weight cutters getting easier matches should be a point to advocate this though.. Just saying. You should be given the 'easier' matches by nature of seeding and bracketing, but we shouldn't really advocate for 'big weight cuts'.. Just a personal opinion.
None is knocking off Union. Truly a powerful team this year.
As the initiator of the whole topic/controversy, I also loved that Ranger included his analysis of the current state of KY wrestling. He is certainly the most respected statistician in the state and provides a humorous yet objective approach. Perhaps he could elaborate more next year like I attempted to do, although the report is already quite detailed so it might be too much to ask. Feel free to use the stats I collected however you wish Ranger, I'm hoping moderators have access to deleted content...
14 minutes ago, Zeus said:As the initiator of the whole topic/controversy, I also loved that Ranger included his analysis of the current state of KY wrestling. He is certainly the most respected statistician in the state and provides a humorous yet objective approach. Perhaps he could elaborate more next year like I attempted to do, although the report is already quite detailed so it might be too much to ask. Feel free to use the stats I collected however you wish Ranger, I'm hoping moderators have access to deleted content...
I'm not sure rehashing on the previous conversation would be beneficial. You all were looking at historical stats. Ranger's analysis is looking at current guys and those wrestling at the national level right now with success. I think this is the best approach to take because it's really hard to skew these statistics one way or the other. It's rather factual and shows where we are, which I think we can all agree on, is that we have stellar talent at the top, some good guys in the middle, but no where near the depth of a top state. Our best can compete virtually anywhere but I'd venture to say some 'lower tier' teams in OH/PA would handily beat some of the top 20 teams in KY. It's just pure numbers in my opinion though, the difference between us and 'top' states.
34 minutes ago, justaref said:I'm not sure rehashing on the previous conversation would be beneficial. You all were looking at historical stats. Ranger's analysis is looking at current guys and those wrestling at the national level right now with success. I think this is the best approach to take because it's really hard to skew these statistics one way or the other. It's rather factual and shows where we are, which I think we can all agree on, is that we have stellar talent at the top, some good guys in the middle, but no where near the depth of a top state. Our best can compete virtually anywhere but I'd venture to say some 'lower tier' teams in OH/PA would handily beat some of the top 20 teams in KY. It's just pure numbers in my opinion though, the difference between us and 'top' states.
I didn't clarify but I was referring to current instead of historical, which would include, what... maybe a 2-5 year trend, or maybe just the previous year. He'd obviously be able to organize the info in the best manner he sees fit.
3 minutes ago, Zeus said:I didn't clarify but I was referring to current instead of historical, which would include, what... maybe a 2-5 year trend, or maybe just the previous year. He'd obviously be able to organize the info in the best manner he sees fit.
Ah okay. Definitely think that's the discussion that needs to be had if it is had at all. Keeping tabs on all success at the higher levels (collegiate+) is also applicable to see how we stack up, but that DEFINITELY needs to include D2/3 schools and not only the ones that make it to D1 schools. Not everyone wants to move to Michigan or Iowa to grind it out like that. There's tons of guys that don't compete D1 that are still great wrestlers.
justaref - good point on the weight cutting. We noted that the writeup was taken from TheMat.com so it is not from our perspective, but I agree making like easier on weight cutters should not be a consideration.
Just now, Ranger123 said:just area - good point on the weight cutting. We noted that the writeup was taken from TheMat.com so it is not from our perspective, but I agree making like easier on weight cutters should not be a consideration.
Right. Not a jab at anyone in particular, not even TheMat. It's a part of the game and should be considered but definitely not in that light, haha. Sorry if I came off the wrong way, love all that you do.
Just now, justaref said:Ah okay. Definitely think that's the discussion that needs to be had if it is had at all. Keeping tabs on all success at the higher levels (collegiate+) is also applicable to see how we stack up, but that DEFINITELY needs to include D2/3 schools and not only the ones that make it to D1 schools.
Right, I just wanted to provide a baseline to be give something to compare our current level and measure our progress. I originally chose NCAA D1 AA's because the stats were already done for me. Current rankings, recent HS AAs and D2/3/NAIA AAs takes a lot of work to sort out.
2 minutes ago, Zeus said:Right, I just wanted to provide a baseline to be give something to compare our current level and measure our progress. I originally chose NCAA D1 AA's because the stats were already done for me. Current rankings, recent HS AAs and D2/3/NAIA AAs takes a lot of work to sort out.
It's very hard to judge the caliber of the state if we are talking about only including the highest of high accolades to compare ourselves to states that have much more access to recruiting within the state at the D1 level and view to the people that 'make the lists'. I think the teams that should be competing outside of KY are doing a good job of doing so, but it's still harder for a KY kid to get a scholarship to a D1 college for wrestling than many others.
For instance, if you live in OH you by nature have access to some of the biggest, baddest tournaments in the country simply because you live in closer proximity, same with PA, etc. Even though they are not far, it's hard for a lot of KY wrestlers to make it to these 'big' national tournaments to get eyeballs on them.
1 hour ago, justaref said:Right. Not a jab at anyone in particular, not even TheMat. It's a part of the game and should be considered but definitely not in that light, haha. Sorry if I came off the wrong way, love all that you do.
Didn't take it that way at all
1 hour ago, justaref said:It's very hard to judge the caliber of the state if we are talking about only including the highest of high accolades to compare ourselves to states that have much more access to recruiting within the state at the D1 level and view to the people that 'make the lists'. I think the teams that should be competing outside of KY are doing a good job of doing so, but it's still harder for a KY kid to get a scholarship to a D1 college for wrestling than many others.
For instance, if you live in OH you by nature have access to some of the biggest, baddest tournaments in the country simply because you live in closer proximity, same with PA, etc. Even though they are not far, it's hard for a lot of KY wrestlers to make it to these 'big' national tournaments to get eyeballs on them.
Agree completely, there are various reasons why we lag behind other states. Lower population, the cultural focus on basketball in KY, less in-state college programs, less quality coaches, lack of feeder programs, etc. all factor into the equation. Many of them also affect each other, such as I think the last three I listed are are related.
Another fallacy of me originally only including college results is other states have many more college wrestling programs, for example PA has like 30 total or some insane number like that. Forget scholarships for a moment, because of in-state tution rates, kids in those states have easier access to opportunities to compete at the next level, increasing the likelihood that PA kids will become AAs.
Does my point about the number of colleges in a state with programs make sense? I know what I'm trying to say but not sure if I explained it clearly.
Point I forgot to add...
IF Sheffer is able to pull off his 4th title I hope it is recognized. Winning one is hard enough, but it blows my mind that we can't take 1 minute to recognize what some of these kids are accomplishing. We already missed the window for kids like Brock and Austin. Now that it seems the KYWCA is making ground with the KHSAA maybe this is another area we can take a step forward.
Unfortunately it appears Landin Jones is out at 285. It's on the sub list.
2 hours ago, Zeus said:Does my point about the number of colleges in a state with programs make sense? I know what I'm trying to say but not sure if I explained it clearly.
100% makes perfect sense. Out of state tuition bars A LOT of students from going out of state regardless of the sport or academic standing. I for one looked into attending Ohio State outright instead of UofL for college (purely academic), subtract the whole UPS paying for my tuition thing, if I went to OSU I would be easily $60k in debt unless I got some insane scholarships (none were offered, haha). It's entirely valid to include this as a reason when the only foreseeable colleges that a majority of our wrestlers can attend are in state schools, thus limiting them to D2/D3 schools if they want to wrestle at the next level. If you want to go to UofL/UofK for their academic programs and majors, then you are pretty SOL on being able to wrestle period.
59 minutes ago, supernat said:Unfortunately it appears Landin Jones is out at 285. It's on the sub list.
Man I just saw that. Hate to hear that for a good kid. I'm sure he will be successful beyond this weekend. Best of luck in your future Landin.
16 hours ago, pin2win said:Has Anthony (182 for Hoptown) wrestled Buckman (Union County)? Niko Bussell wrestled Buckman in the finals after beating Anthony in the regional semifinals. I checked trackwrestling, and I don't see Buckman and Anthony wrestling this season. I could be mistaken (overlooked it)... I know sometimes everything doesn't get entered in track as it should.
They have not. Union and Hoptown never crossed paths until regionals.
I graduated with a state title, and made you look stupid so many times lol but you continue to jab me. Might want to check your results. TRUST ME I COULDVE AND WOULDVE HELD MINE OWN AT 145 LAST YEAR, AS WOULD ANGEL. NOW GET OFF OF ME AND FOCUS ON KIDS THAT ARE STILL IN HIGHSCHOOL AND SEARCHING FOR A TITLE, SUCH AS YOUR OWN!. LETS GO YENTER, LAMPE AND REST OF CREW! HE WILL BREAK
Ranger:
I want to know what Tucker Shelton did to make you angry.
You left him off the final rankings and then didn't include him at 285 in your report.
23 minutes ago, Josh_Claywell said:Ranger:
I want to know what Tucker Shelton did to make you angry.
You left him off the final rankings and then didn't include him at 285 in your report.
Good question. Something happened in the final rankings and that drove the report. I may have made a copy error. Had to be my mistake.
First thumbs up of the weekend to Apollo wrestlers. Great group of guys helped me carry half of my household into the hotel.
14 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:Good question. Something happened in the final rankings and that drove the report. I may have made a copy error. Had to be my mistake.
It's all good, friend.
Just busting some chops.
4 minutes ago, Josh_Claywell said:It's all good, friend.
Just busting some chops.
Well not all good because he deserves his due, but luckily it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
Just as a clarification: Reece Goss, 106 lb, from Woodford is a 7th grader.
@Ranger123 - you're pretty good at this!
You were perfect up until 195.
On 2/17/2017 at 7:56 PM, TECHnWIN said:I graduated with a state title, and made you look stupid so many times lol but you continue to jab me. Might want to check your results. TRUST ME I COULDVE AND WOULDVE HELD MINE OWN AT 145 LAST YEAR, AS WOULD ANGEL. NOW GET OFF OF ME AND FOCUS ON KIDS THAT ARE STILL IN HIGHSCHOOL AND SEARCHING FOR A TITLE, SUCH AS YOUR OWN!. LETS GO YENTER, LAMPE AND REST OF CREW! HE WILL BREAK
HA HA. Good try. You lose.
9 hours ago, Ranger123 said:HA HA. Good try. You lose.
So now you get to stand on my side of the fence from last year and act the same way i did, at 18 lmao
1 hour ago, TECHnWIN said:So now you get to stand on my side of the fence from last year and act the same way i did, at 18 lmao
Zinger
6 hours ago, TECHnWIN said:So now you get to stand on my side of the fence from last year and act the same way i did, at 18 lmao
Not even close. You make this a personal issue by addressing your problem with me toward my kid. You get all crazy about rankings that mean nothing and take it as an attack on you. Believe it or not my goal is to make them as close to perfectly correct as possible.
Pretend like you are laughing all you want. Facts are facts. if that moore kid sucks where does that put you?
44 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:Not even close. You make this a personal issue by addressing your problem with me toward my kid. You get all crazy about rankings that mean nothing and take it as an attack on you. Believe it or not my goal is to make them as close to perfectly correct as possible.
Pretend like you are laughing all you want. Facts are facts. if that moore kid sucks where does that put you?
Well up until last night, he hadnt done what i did. Well really still didnt, weight classes are not even comparable. Im just saying your first thing you could think to do was get on here and laugh at me because i was wrong for once, infact not even wrong i said he would. You are bickering back and forth with me, but im the child lol haha
You know what nevermind your right, this isnt about Ryan, so lets compare apples to apples. What about your results as a wrestler Mr. RANGER?
Will there be a post state ranger report?
1 hour ago, TECHnWIN said:Well up until last night, he hadnt done what i did. Well really still didnt, weight classes are not even comparable. Im just saying your first thing you could think to do was get on here and laugh at me because i was wrong for once, infact not even wrong i said he would. You are bickering back and forth with me, but im the child lol haha
Whatever. Always some excuse. You started the comparison long ago. You or "your roommate" joked that he sucks. Lay out the facts. State results are more than comparable. Oh wait. How many flo placements? Goose egg. How many Fargo? goose egg again.
5 hours ago, Ranger123 said:Whatever. Always some excuse. You started the comparison long ago. You or "your roommate" joked that he sucks. Lay out the facts. State results are more than comparable. Oh wait. How many flo placements? Goose egg. How many Fargo? goose egg again.
You know what nevermind your right, this isnt about Ryan, so lets compare apples to apples. What about your results as a wrestler Mr. RANGER?
Im sorry i guess you got confused sir i asked for your results?
District champ! Or no? Thatta boy
That's right. Change the subject when you realize you have lost.
But to your point I never said you suck. Contrary to your warped sense of reality ranking you below your expectations is not the same.
So I will ask again. If the state champ, flo and Fargo AA sucks, what category do you fall into?
i will admit, relative to my kid I was not very good. No problem at all admitting that. You have never heard me claim to be anything different.
On 2/16/2017 at 1:57 PM, Ranger123 said:Point I forgot to add...
IF Sheffer is able to pull off his 4th title I hope it is recognized. Winning one is hard enough, but it blows my mind that we can't take 1 minute to recognize what some of these kids are accomplishing. We already missed the window for kids like Brock and Austin. Now that it seems the KYWCA is making ground with the KHSAA maybe this is another area we can take a step forward.
Both got MOW for it , I would bet the bank Trent would of got it had he beat Bryce .
40 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:That's right. Change the subject when you realize you have lost.
But to your point I never said you suck. Contrary to your warped sense of reality ranking you below your expectations is not the same.
So I will ask again. If the state champ, flo and Fargo AA sucks, what category do you fall into?
i will admit, relative to my kid I was not very good. No problem at all admitting that. You have never heard me claim to be anything different.
Ill cut down to 135 thats as low as i could possibly get and ill wrestle ryan, we can bet whatever u want to bet ill win? That sound better buddy?
I normally like to watch conversations and generally get info from this forum, but I now feel the need to sign up and post when I normally wouldn't. i have reviewed the old posts related to this feud and from what I see, Tech, you generally have a problem with Ranger because you feel that he slighted you in some of his reports. I have looked at them and they don't seem to be directed at you specifically, rather you seem to think that everyone is out to get you. I have news for you bud, not everybody thinks about you as much as you think about yourself. Ranger calls things how he sees them, throughout the season and after, with his rankings and reports. You have a problem with him and you bad mouthed his kid - who is good - for no reason. You literally said "He will break" and cheered for his competition. So it's no wonder he got fired up. Ryan is a stud, and he showed it this weekend. Ranger may not have won state as you did, but if I fall correctly, he placed 3rd while SEVERELY sick with the flu against some super tough competition. On top of that, he is, from everything I have seen, a great coach of young wrestlers. Instead of getting heated with him over petty issues, why don't you recognize the time and effort that he puts in giving us periodic rankings and let his kid be. He will likely be a 2 time state champ, which you weren't, so keep him out of it. You wrestled tough and had a good high school career. Don't spoil it by being a jackass on the forum that a lot of people read. Focus on you college career and help bring some honor to KY at the next level, but leave these HS kids alone over your petty beefs. Good luck to you and wrestle hard.
1 hour ago, Standingswitch119 said:I normally like to watch conversations and generally get info from this forum, but I now feel the need to sign up and post when I normally wouldn't. i have reviewed the old posts related to this feud and from what I see, Tech, you generally have a problem with Ranger because you feel that he slighted you in some of his reports. I have looked at them and they don't seem to be directed at you specifically, rather you seem to think that everyone is out to get you. I have news for you bud, not everybody thinks about you as much as you think about yourself. Ranger calls things how he sees them, throughout the season and after, with his rankings and reports. You have a problem with him and you bad mouthed his kid - who is good - for no reason. You literally said "He will break" and cheered for his competition. So it's no wonder he got fired up. Ryan is a stud, and he showed it this weekend. Ranger may not have won state as you did, but if I fall correctly, he placed 3rd while SEVERELY sick with the flu against some super tough competition. On top of that, he is, from everything I have seen, a great coach of young wrestlers. Instead of getting heated with him over petty issues, why don't you recognize the time and effort that he puts in giving us periodic rankings and let his kid be. He will likely be a 2 time state champ, which you weren't, so keep him out of it. You wrestled tough and had a good high school career. Don't spoil it by being a jackass on the forum that a lot of people read. Focus on you college career and help bring some honor to KY at the next level, but leave these HS kids alone over your petty beefs. Good luck to you and wrestle hard.
MOORE IS A STATE CHAMP FLO PLACER FARGO PLACER .REGARDLESS OF WHO LIKES IT HE HAS MORE WRESTLING CRED THAN ANYONE.IN THE STATE AND HAS DONE WHAT VERY VERY VERY FEW HAVE MANAGED IN.THE STATE OF KY .Might actually be a group of 2 to ever make a podium in.those three events .
Cornett or Scheffer cannot even claim.that much wrestling swag and techwin.the group of ky wrestlers to ever make.the podium at Fargo is under 10 and it didnt include you or many many many more with far more titles and wins.than.you .I was a fan of yours but after High school other than rooting for your actaul brothers I cannot.understand going after young Moore especially when.he has done.so much more than you in.the sport and.still has his best yr left.Good luck to you both the world outside High School wrestling is very unforgiving hiding your fears about the next level by looking in on.the past and attacking old foes is a sign.of weakness be strong and go after the next level because one day the kids your are bashing will be your level or above it and your words will be brought back upon you.
How about Ruber !!!real wrestling enthusiast in the know called it a couple months back lol.
8 hours ago, Achilles said:How about Ruber !!!real wrestling enthusiast in the know called it a couple months back lol.
Absolutely. Back to more important things. Ruber is a tank and wrestled his tail off this season.
Very impressive didnt let a loss he probably should have won at reg effect him.and from what I saw battled hard all year and while he may be a football guy he hung In Improved his game.and.proved he was a wrestling guy as well and a very good one.
On 2/19/2017 at 9:09 PM, Ranger123 said:HA HA. Good try. You lose.
Out of bounds. If you want to get on Ranger 123 that fine but keep his kid out of it.
On 2/16/2017 at 11:11 PM, Ranger123 said:After hours and hours of researching and typing and talking and multiple reviews, it is done. Enjoy. Hope everyone travels safely to Lexington and we have a great weekend of wrestling.
Where is that follow up Ranger!
Still working on it
About got your post tournament report ready, Always look forward to your reports. Keep up the great work.
He might have been off in a couple weight classes. Overall Ranger came through. He missed less than 2 placers per weight class on average.
Damn that's good... if Ranger can pick NCAA bball brackets like he can pick KHSAA State Wrestlng brackets he may have a lucrative job waiting on him in Vegas! Impressive!!
That is pretty good stuff. With the exception of 1 wrestler, every favorite made it to the finals. Ranger certainly has a feel for the pulse of KY wrestling.
Actually 2 weight classes, 160 and 285. 285 was out due to injury, so he correctly picked 12 of 13. Pretty awesome.
90% got 160 wrong
13 hours ago, Jrodc said:90% got 160 wrong
Must outside of the Louisville /Norther KY had the 160 right.
could Smith end up being one of the leading candidates of, "Best wrestler not to win a title?" It has been elusive so far.
He could join another Nky wrestler Daniel Thunerman in this category.
Lets hope not.
No he will WIN.The best wrestler not to win a state title = Brandon Reed one of only 2 ever KY greco AAs and one of the few KY AAs period and he doesn't get a single state title ?Frankrone gets injured one yr and Reed moves or whatever the next ? A lot of post season chatter about Reed doing some nat tournaments it will be interesting to see if his time away from HS has helped or harmed him.
Any updates on the post tournament report?
16 hours ago, Sweep8 said:Any updates on the post tournament report?
*Jeopardy music
I really don't understand people pushing for the post tournament report, the more that I think about it. Like the tournament is already over, it reported itself. His predictions are right there, and we can all draw the lines ourselves. But I guess by the same notion, Ranger and Dutch are trusted voices of wisdom in our community.
2 minutes ago, 385 said:I really don't understand people pushing for the post tournament report, the more that I think about it. Like the tournament is already over, it reported itself. His predictions are right there, and we can all draw the lines ourselves. But I guess by the same notion, Ranger and Dutch are trusted voices of wisdom in our community.
Just something to read and he does a great job with stats and post tournament write ups.. Same reason people like to read the post tournament articles in the newspapers around the state except these guys actually know the sport unlike most doing the news articles..
I would have to agree there. Great job by everyone who contributes to the rankings and reports.
Everyone's like post tournament report? And I'm here like preseason rankings?
Ha ha. Sorry all. We have just been overwhelmed with national event training, catching up with the real jobs, and spending time with the family. The report is close just needs a few finishing touches. I will try to post early early preseason rankings in the next day or so just to get something out there.