I didn't get quite as much feedback as I wanted this week, so I'm sure there will be much to update in the next few days, but things continue to evolve and there are lots of rumors out there that I have not reflected (I'm waiting on confirmation).

103

Sen Elliott Martin  11

Tri Myron Bradbury  9

SK Robbie Vaughn  10

JC Zach Salyers  8

Un Co Jarvis Elam  11

FC Tommy Warren  9

Lar Co Justin Thompson  10

Man Scott Deschamp  10

Cald Co Patrick Wimbleduff  9

JH Kirby Goodwine  9

Bou Co Adam Muoio  10

TC Anthony Merkel

Ryle Michael Osbourne  9

SO Brandon Whitehouse  9

Laf Johnson  9

NH Coty Woods  9

Wood Co Ethan Miller  11

Mc Cen Luke Troxell  8

Way Co Dalton Hasselbring

Har Co Andy Lenz

112

Way Co Travis Sullivan  11

Un Co Adam Carr  12

Mon Co Ross Carpenter-Fraser  11

HC Cliff Cornett  12

PD Jon Voth  11

NO Andre Zeppa  11

Bull Cen James Badgett  11

Sen Jeff Warra  10

Tri Dan Smith  11

Whit Co Dalton Evans  11

Con TJ Bates  9

Vall Mike Miller  12

Ryle Sam Scheuer  12

Let Co Cen Dakota Kincer  10

Mc Cen Daniel Bowling  10

FC Daniel Wiexler  11

Moore Zachary Michael  9

PRP Nick Reichmuth  11

Meade Arthur Ohmes  11

NH Brandon Wilder  11

119

Way Co Bryan Daniels  11

Sen John Chui  12

JH Josh Johnson  9

Eas Joaquin Luna  10

JC Cory Spencer  11

HC Matt Zarth  10

Wood Co Shane Parks  11

Un Co Aaron Carr  10

St X Nick Norwood  12

Scott Gabe Supe  11

NO Antonio Zeppa  12

Tri Jacob Barton  11

Lar Co Tritsten Hines  10

Con Matt O'Bryan  11

SK Steve Norberry  10

FC Josh Burkett  11

Cam Co Caleb Schneider  10

SO Steve Vaughn  10

Hend Co Bryce Alexander  9

And Co Corey Vincent  10

125

PD Tyler Voth  12

Wood Co Coty Lewis  11

Sen Dan Fuller  12

Way Co Coty Vinsant  11

SC Matt Slone  9

Un Co Jake Wempe  11

Tri Grant Ohlman  9

PRP Corey Mills  11

Moore Crayton McCain  12

Mon Co Chris Walker  12

Laf Ryan Traylor  12

JH Houston Lundy  10

NH John King  12

Cam Co Talon Deinlein  11

Lar Co Logan Hull  10

Ryle Justin Hollingsworth  12

JC Tyler Grimm  9

Con Matt O'Bryan

Mc Cen Derek Corder  11

CH Ross Engle  11

130

NH Matt Eck  12

JC Jordan Freeman  10

Un Co Isaac Ervin  10

JH Justin Pitcher  11

FC Derek Branch  11

Lar Co Lucas Carmen  11

Eas Paul Marks  12

NO Tom Kusnir  12

Old Co Trey Morlatt  11

Laf Nathan Speck

Cam Co Korey Shotwell  9

Tri Trent Kelley  11

Chr Co Jake Skinner  11

And Co Shane Carey  11

PRP Daniel Sauer  10

Moore Steve Willbanks  9

Fair Mike Seeders  12

Cald Co Sam Mitchell  10

Per Co Cen Charles Turner  12

Ryle Cory Rahe  10

135

Har Co Josh Ashbrook  11

Old Co Ben Warner  12

JH Cassidy Veach  12

Cam Co Kyle Griffith  11

Wood Co Steven Butler  12

FC Kevin Stewart  12

Ohio Co Jonathan Miller  12

And Co Robinson

Bull Cen Justin Walls  10

NH Johnivon Oggs  12

Sen Zach Poulton  11

SK Dusty Brown  10

CH Steven Rivera  11

PRP Don Phillips  11

Laf Alex Allman  12

Eas Blake Kraft  12

PD Donnell Davis

Lar Co Darwin Perez  12

Ft Camp Alan Johnson  11

Let Co Cen Josh Back  11

140

Ryle Bryan Peace  11

Scott Daniel Thueneman  12

FC Malcolm Jackson  12

Lar Co Matt Miller  11

Tri Ben Case  12

Way Co Kacy Kennedy  11

St X Cory Kress  12

Wood Co Chad Scott  11

Vall Ben Edwards  12

Har Co Bryan Wasson  11

NH Jerry Ledford  12

Fr Co Stephen Thompson

Moore Justin Johnston  12

SO Andrew Mitchell

Sen Ricky Wright  10

Un Co Carson Chambliss  12

Sou Zach Durden  12

Bull Cen Chris Pearson  12

Nel Co Forest Rehrig  12

SK Kevin Turner  12

145

Wood Co Harrison Courtney  10

Un Co Mitch Ervin  11

FC Ben Barger  11

Har Co Beau Sanders  11

St X Chip Condon  12

Fr Co Ryan Tingle  11

And Co Sammy Isaacs  11

Lar Co Evan Smith  12

Con Jake Lee  9

PD Nick Quigley  12

SO Cody Hall  12

Ft Camp Rob Caracillo  12

SC Eric Musick  12

Des Kevin Snyder

TC Jamal Mohammed  12

Ryle Will Gilliland  11

Old Co Nate Rousseau

Eas Vincent Castellano

Cen Kevin Porter

DH Joe Woods  12

152

SK Josh Cooper  12

Lar Co Patrick Banks  12

Mc Cen Randall Stevens  12

Tri Brad Hitchings  9

Hol John Golsby  12

Wood Co Blake Sheehan  11

Way Co Tim Winchester  11

Cen John Thomas  11

Har Co Corey Ward  12

Bull Cen Jeremiah Walls  10

Ohio Co Josh Ringkor  12

Chr Co Cory Armstrong  11

Con Ryan Dillon  11

Mon Co Austin Cincotta

FC Cody Mann

Cam Co Brandon Dennison  11

PD Nick Leddy

Eas Mikal McNealy  11

And Co Kevin White  12

JH Trint Webb  11

160

FC John Wolsiefer  11

Lar Co Scott Wheeler  12

NH Ty Wolfe  11

CH Joe Collin  12

Cam Co Tom Brownfield  11

SC Ricky Burgess  12

PRP Dakoda Choate

DH Brad Denham  12

PD Leo Leddy

Sen Lofton Wright  9

Tri Adam Remines  11

Bal Howard Brim  11

Moore James Schneider

SK Ryan Vaughn  11

Un Co Joe Belt  12

Bull Cen Joey Davis

Des Robbie Spann

JC Thomas Hardwick  12

Con Austin Pugh  9

Way Co Matthew Sullivan  9

171

Eas Ben Rupp  12

Ryle Mason Reid  11

Lar Co Bryant Barnhill  12

Tri John Florence  12

PD Sheridan Likoy  12

HC Zack Guiler  12

SC Adam Dials  11

Cald Co Curt Martin  12

Whit Co Jaron Singley  12

Mc Cen Steven Watson  12

SO Cody Lasseigne  11

JH Chris Pitcher  10

DH Steve Benson  11

Bull Cen Thomas Salter  12

SK Matt Neal  10

Un Co Jarrod Burke

Wood Co Nolin Cecil  12

Har Co Bobby Barkley  11

FC Kurt Waller  11

KDB Tommy Harmon  12

189

Wood Co Will Starks  12

SC Ryan Kelly  10

Mc Cen Tannen Roe  11

CH Terry Turner  12

SO Ryan Houchens  10

Ohio Co Jarrod Aull  12

Tri Josh Lewis  9

Vall Joe Raleigh  12

Un Co Dionte Wright  11

Law Co Jason Delong  12

Scott Gary Robbins  11

FC Kyle Hardin  11

Per Co Cen Travis Pennington  12

Dan Evan Hester  10

Chr Co Mark Payne  10

JC Ryan Kestner  11

Des John French  11

Har Co Seth Hall  12

DH Randy Metzger  12

215

Mc Cen Jacob Watson  12

Laf Matt Green  11

Tri Jordan Whiting  10

Sen Jordan Dockery  12

PD Doug Winter  12

FC Deon Chaney  11

Doss Derek Nickel  11

NH Matt Baker  12

Lar Co Jake Shipp  12

SC Justin Chaffin  11

SO Cameron Hartman  11

Ryle Steve Bodenbender  12

Har Co Austin Murdoch  12

Chr Co Donnie Thomas  11

Bal Naveed Safi  11

AB Andrew Dillon  12

Cen Ryondrae Wesley

Way Co Tyler Pace  9

Des Shane Wentworth

Sou Travis Meisner

285

Wood Co Matt Byrd  12

Old Co Josh Young  12

Ohio Co Adam Burdin  12

Mc Cen Chris Espinoza  12

Scott Adam Patterson  12

Fair Robby Brown  12

Cam Co Billy Fuller  11

Lar Co Joe Embree  12

Ft Knox Anthony Bailey  11

Vall Will Smith  11

New Devon Boxx  11

JH Jesse Kerrison  12

PD Hunter Eade  12

NH Matt Ballinger  12

Ft Camp Zach Rinestine  11

Laf Evan Bullock

Let Co Cen James Baker  12

Way Co Brandon Bell  9

TC Nathan Gray  10

Des John Wise  12

Team

1 Woodford County

2 Larue County

3 Trinity (Louisville)

4 Fern Creek

5 Union County

6 Seneca

7 North Hardin

8 Wayne County

9 Paul Dunbar

10 McCreary Central

11 John Hardin

12 Ryle

13 Sheldon Clark

14 Harrison County

15 Eastern

16 Johnson Central

17 Simon Kenton

18 Campbell County

19 Oldham County

20 Scott

21 Ohio County

22 South Oldham

23 Lafayette

24 Henry Clay

25 Central Hardin

26 Bullitt Central

27 St. Xavier

28 Montgomery County

29 Pleasure Ridge Park

30 North Oldham

31 Anderson County

32 Conner

33 Valley

34 Moore

35 Caldwell County

As always, nice job

I beleive Choate for PRP is 10th grade

Since you did not get much feed back I wanted to share I think you have  Don Phillips  PRP a little high in the 135 - I have seen him lose to Southern and either Sou is better than anyone thinks or maybe Phillips is a little high?  And really I am sure you can make the same argument for allot of wrestlers.

Fern Creek beat Trinity rather soundly at the KOB.. I know you have your own point scoring system, I'm just sayin though.

LaRue County's 119, Tristen Hines, quit the team. I can't remember the last time he was on the mat.

Since you did not get much feed back I wanted to share I think you have   Don Phillips  PRP a little high in the 135 - I have seen him lose to Southern and either Sou is better than anyone thinks or maybe Phillips is a little high?  And really I am sure you can make the same argument for allot of wrestlers.

The tough thing I see with this weight, especially after the top 5 or 6 is lack of consistency.  I gave Phillips the nod this week because he stepped it up in a tournament format.  If 2 guys split (dual and tournament), I give the temporary advantage to the tournament winner.  Thanks for the info.

Ranger123, Dennis Coomer from Mont. Co beat Mc Cen Chris Espinoza 8 to 1 on Sat at Mc Cent.

Fern Creek beat Trinity rather soundly at the KOB.. I know you have your own point scoring system, I'm just sayin though.

I wouldn't say 19 points is rather soundly.  Especially considering Whiting wasn't there.  And those Trinity freshman will likely keep getting better with experience and the confidence they gained this weekend.

You also have Moore and Vally listed above Southern - and Southern tied Moore head to head and was ahead of Valley at KOB -just curious thanks for other clarification - I think that these discussions help everyone to understand the whole ranking process.

Justin Chaffin from SCHS at 215 isnt wrestling this year.

you have matt o'bryan on there twice 119 and 125 i believe, what about rashad brown is he not wrestling in one of those spots?

you have matt o'bryan on there twice 119 and 125 i believe, what about rashad brown is he not wrestling in one of those spots?

Thanks for catching that.  Sometimes I get moving guys around too quickly in my spreadsheet and forget to delete them from the old spot.

nice update on the rankings

well i would ask why im moving down on the list but i guess that my not making weight has alot to do with it great job

well i would ask why im moving down on the list but i guess that my not making weight has alot to do with it great job

Yes, you have to get that mat time.  Practice is good, but there is no substitute for real live wrestling.  And Bailey wrestled well at LIT.

You are right ranger Trinity was without whiting and 2 time state qualifier watkins at 135,also Kelley ranked at 130 and not to mention no heavy weight with those wrestlers Trinity might have won the KOB? I feel Trinity ranked ahead of ern creek is justified!

You also have Moore and Vally listed above Southern - and Southern tied Moore head to head and was ahead of Valley at KOB -just curious thanks for other clarification - I think that these discussions help everyone to understand the whole ranking process.

Good questions.  Dual scores can be quite different as mentioned before.  Valley has the potential to score a lot of points with Edwards, Raleigh, and Smith (if he makes weight, ha ha) at state.  Southern has decent talent as a team, but doesn't have those individuals that look like they can place at state right now.  And that is what my team rankings are based on, state tournament scores.

Nice job once again Ranger.

Thanks

First of all, nice job on the rankings ranger, your hard work is greatly appreciatied. I believe most of your rankings are very accurate, i just did some research with your rankings and found this, and would like your opinion please.

#3 trinity and #4 Fern Creek... According to your rankings (which are directly related to how well a team does at state) Trinity has 11 ranked wrestlers and Fern Creek has 12, each team has seven wrestlers ranked to place in the top 8 at state, but of those seven wrestlers Fern Creeks are ranked higher ( Trinity: #2,#3,#4,#4,#5,#7,#8 and Fern Creek:#1,#3,#3,#5,#6,#6,#6). From a mathematical sense: trinity: 2+3+4+4+5+7+8:33, Fern Creek 1+3+3+5+6+6+6:30... the lower number representing an overall higher place.

I'm in no way saying your rankings are incorrect ranger, i greatly appreciate you doing these rankings for kentucky wrestling. Just in my opinion with these points in mind i believe Fern Creek is #3

Nice.  I'm seeing a little Fern Creek, Trinity rivalry it looks like.  I kind of like it.

Everyone better get use to seeing Trinity win, because they have some young talent and it looks like a couple team state titles are coming their way soon.  Hitchings and company has done a good job over the past couple of years building that thing.  Sorry for getting off topic.

good job Ranger, I really enjoy these. 

i came in at 4th at the king of the bluegrass why did i drop out of the rankings

Ranger123

John Hardins Chris Pitcher beat Bryant Barnhill Lar Co 3-2 and Joe Collin CH 7-5, 13 Dec 2006 in a dual

First of all, nice job on the rankings ranger, your hard work is greatly appreciatied. I believe most of your rankings are very accurate, i just did some research with your rankings and found this, and would like your opinion please.

#3 trinity and #4 Fern Creek... According to your rankings (which are directly related to how well a team does at state) Trinity has 11 ranked wrestlers and Fern Creek has 12, each team has seven wrestlers ranked to place in the top 8 at state, but of those seven wrestlers Fern Creeks are ranked higher ( Trinity: #2,#3,#4,#4,#5,#7,#8 and Fern Creek:#1,#3,#3,#5,#6,#6,#6). From a mathematical sense: trinity: 2+3+4+4+5+7+8:33, Fern Creek 1+3+3+5+6+6+6:30... the lower number representing an overall higher place.

I'm in no way saying your rankings are incorrect ranger, i greatly appreciate you doing these rankings for kentucky wrestling. Just in my opinion with these points in mind i believe Fern Creek is #3

Nice, I like the in depth analysis.  But, I go beyond the top 8 placers and include those guys that only win a match or two.  By the way, they were very close in my scoring, virtually a tie.

i came in at 4th at the king of the bluegrass why did i drop out of the rankings

Houston Lundy and Ross Engle jumped into the rankings at 125, so 2 guys had to drop off.  Not sure you were one of them, but you are just outside the top 20 right now.  WCI is 2 weeks away.  There's your chance to see a bunch of these guys and shake it up.

is luna staying at 119 and i believe zeppa should be ranked higher at 119

is luna staying at 119 and i believe zeppa should be ranked higher at 119

Luna's comments in the Courier Journal sound like he is staying at 119.  It was Andre (ranked at 112) who beat Chui and Johnson.

Hey guys, these are not official rankings!!! Ranger is doing a great VOLUNTARY JOB on these rankings for your convenience. Statistics show 50.3% of all statistics are fabricated. It matters on the mat not on paper. Great Job Ranger!!!!!!

I read 95.763 percent of all statistics were false. Guess ill have to take another survey

So i think fern creek dropping down to forth is a little bit unfair because trinity has not yet proved they can beat us but cant argue with the man who makes the rankings. Which by the way thank you for doing but fern creek dropping down is for what reason? Weve beat trinity in dual and tournament format now. Yes there line up wasnt at full strenghth but fern creeks line up has had some struggles to deal with. And come time for woodford county most likely are line up should show several suprises and be at close to full streghth considering everything works out like it should...

But trinity being ahead of us is fine for now guess will just have to strive and work that much harder to get back were we should be at. And show we belong there next time we face them...

and uhhh one last thing did u maybe forget to put mark jones in at 189 on your rankings or maybe i just cant find him i looked at 171 and 189 an might have overlooked him but i didnt see his name did you forget him?

Don't need him in the rankings. he is no longer wrestling due to attitude.

Wow Mark Jones got the boot?

will north have anyone to replace him?

So when Marks attitude changes he will be back? :-D

I heard the same story about Matt Eck earlier in the season.

Don't need him in the rankings. he is no longer wrestling due to attitude.

Wow, I would've thought you would've had more important things to talk about over there in Iraq, than Matt Eck's attitude.  As I said before, Matt Eck must be doing something right, because he is looking pretty darn good right now.  To my knowledge, this did not happen to Matt Eck.  Hopefully we can all get back on a positive note instead of trying to drag down other wrestlers.  I don't think that is what Mathound had in mind for this forum.

Bah Humbug.  I was hoping to drag down other wrestlers. .  Shucks.

160

FC John Wolsiefer  11

Lar Co Scott Wheeler  12

NH Ty Wolfe  11

CH Joe Collin  12

Cam Co Tom Brownfield  11

SC Ricky Burgess  12

PRP Dakoda Choate

DH Brad Denham  12

PD Leo Leddy

Sen Lofton Wright  9

Tri Adam Remines  11

Bal Howard Brim  11

Moore James Schneider

SK Ryan Vaughn  11

Un Co Joe Belt  12

Bull Cen Joey Davis

Des Robbie Spann

JC Thomas Hardwick  12

Con Austin Pugh  9

Way Co Matthew Sullivan  9

how is bullit centrals 160 ahead of meade county's nathan kelch and kelch is higher in the region 3 rankings then bc's 160 joey davis?????????

What does it matter?  We're talking about the 16th-17th ranked kid, why?

Region 3 rankings are not our rankings.

yea you are right i forgot it was region 3 rankings and not offical just stating what i seen

I haven't seen many details on the Meade county squad.  Those region 3 guys are pretty tight and usually hear a lot of the results from each other.  Those guys may have met, I don't know.  But that could be why he has them ranked that way in the region.  But I haven't seen the head-to-head results to rank the Meade Co kid.

how is bullit centrals 160 ahead of meade county's nathan kelch and kelch is higher in the region 3 rankings then bc's 160 joey davis?????????

Why would Kelch be ranked in Region 3's ranking when we're in Region 2?

Claywell, you may be misinformed.  Meade County is in Region 3.

Claywell, you may be misinformed.  Meade County is in Region 3.

I was. My bad.

At the Caldwell tournament cory armstrong got 1st and pinned ringkor of ohio county and beat cody traylor of caldwell. donnie thomas got 1st. and jake skinner got 1st and pinning paul marks in the finals. mitchell from caldwell is going 140. johnson from ft. campbell is going 130 and i think got 3rd at caldwell only loosing to marks. by the way cody traylor is not ranked big mistake... also look out for kyper from ohio county at 140. The only reason you prolly havent heard of traylor is because he got injured at region last year and couldnt wrestle at state. and kyper quit last year but has now came back looking tougher than ever. both are state placers.

At the Caldwell tournament cory armstrong got 1st and pinned ringkor of ohio county and beat cody traylor of caldwell. donnie thomas got 1st. and jake skinner got 1st and pinning paul marks in the finals. mitchell from caldwell is going 140. johnson from ft. campbell is going 130 and i think got 3rd at caldwell only loosing to marks. by the way cody traylor is not ranked big mistake... also look out for kyper from ohio county at 140. The only reason you prolly havent heard of traylor is because he got injured at region last year and couldnt wrestle at state. and kyper quit last year but has now came back looking tougher than ever. both are state placers.

what team r u from

ashbrook beat butler pretty soundly tonight cornett beat ross carpenter by 8 or 9 and zarth beat shane parks

what team r u from

I'll let you guess.

I dont see why Woodford is ranked first. How is there team looking? I havent heard that much about them this year.

I dont see why Woodford is ranked first. How is there team looking? I havent heard that much about them this year.

The reason Woodford is ranked first is because they have 10 people ranked. They have at least four people who are predicted to be in the finals and at least 4 others who are predicted to place. That is kind of hard to beat as a team. Also the way they set up the state tournament there is no way Woodford could loose.

The reason Woodford is ranked first is because they have 10 people ranked. They have at least four people who are predicted to be in the finals and at least 4 others who are predicted to place. That is kind of hard to beat as a team. Also the way they set up the state tournament there is no way Woodford could loose.

Let's at least wait a couple more weeks before we declare them the winners.  Yes, they are tough.  As long as they have Courtney, Starks, Byrd, Parks, and Lewis in the lineup that's a lot of points.  Plus Sheehan has been wrestling really tough and you have Butler and Scott.  They won't be as awesome as last year, but you can bet they will be strong.  But they do have some question marks that have yet to be answered with injuries and eligibility.

I'm guessing colonels130 is Jake Skinner (their 130 pounder). At the Harrison 10-way duals, Union went 5-3-1 as a team, losing to Reitz by 12, Memorial by 6, and Trinity by 10. Tied Southridge. They were without their 125 lb Jake Wempe which could have swayed some points in the matches. Adam Carr and Mitch Ervin were the only 2 to go undefeated (9-0). Isaac Ervin went 8-1, Luke Ervin, Diante Wright, Aaron Carr and Jarvis Elam went 7-2, Chambliss went 6-3. Elam lost by 2 to Bradbury from Trinity, cutting him loose a couple of times, but Jarvis beat Reitz in overtime and Reitz beat Bradbury 12-0. The Bradbury and Elam match was exciting.

At Bourbon Bash Donnell Davis (PL Dunbar) beat both Bryan Wasson (Harrison) and Chad Scott (Woodford)

did issac ervin and shawn robey from reitz happen to wrestle and if so what was the outcome?

thomas hardwick is wrestling 171 this year

Yes, Isaac Ervin beat Robey from Reitz 13-5. Isaac's only loss came to Southridge, losing by 2.