Topic ID: 14097 | 100 Posts
1) Noah Duke - Ryle
2) Spencer Moore - WV
3) Brayden Giaonne - Carr
4) Blue Fletcher - Carr
5) Stephen Little - Union
6) Tanner Spalding - WV
7) Sebastian Vega - Ryle
8) Luke Chapman - Carr
9) Reece Goss - WC
10) Levid Rodriguez - JC
Heres my top 10. Lets see everyone else’s picks.
1. Issac Thornton
2. Braydon Geionne
3. Noah Duke
4. Bryant Beene
5. Reece Goss
6. Jeffery Kinley
7. Trayce Eckman
8. Spencer Moore
9. Cole Thomas
10. Luke Chapman
Honarable Mentions Top 10.
1. Cael Miracle.
2. Dylan Walls
3. Devon and Braedon Herron
4. Blue Fletcher
5. Olivia Merrsley & Lauren Walton
6. Nolan Bandfield & Gus Roberts
7. Nick Giamplo & Judd Powell
8. Max Speaker & Jacob Cain
8. Skyler & Gavin Andreoni
9. Blaine Hicks & Zach Straues
10. Carter Mersserly & Steven little, Colin Tuckur Conner duddon, Chris Bagly, Vega, Spalding.
Way to many 2 name. Sorry if I miss spelt some names.
This is just an opinion of the wrestlers I like to watch. I'm sure I left off a potential state champion or 2.
A little early for this but I'll play along. Here's my top 15 picks for who I believe are the most dominate and best wrestlers in middle school in Kentucky.
1. Brayden Giaonne 168 CWA
2. Noah Duke 152 Ryle
3. Spencer Moore 86 WV
4. Blue Fletcher 130 CWA
5. Cole Thomas 92 Ryle
6. Luke Chapman 98 CWA
7. Bryant Beane 113 WV
8. Stephen Little 152 Union
9. Joel Hatchett 140 RC
10. Reece Goss 121 WC
11. Jeffrey Kinley 105 MC
12. Colin Tucker 80 WC
13. Caleb Wittry 140 SC
14. Jude Powell 92 Fairdale
15. Nolan Banfield 92 CWA
These are just my opinion based on seeing kids this year. I know there is many other great wrestlers in the middle school Ranks.
For the utter domination of his opponents, from what I have seen in competitions this year, Blue would have to top that list.
I just saw Isaac Thorton lose a match to Super 32 Champion 6-4 and should have had a takedown that was called out of bounds.
Byrant Bean, Spencer Moore, Cole Thomas, Tanner Spaulding,and all the Messerly’s looked really good against some of the best kids from Ohio.
I wish they would have been able to bring full squads. Walton Verona finished 4th and Ryle finished 5th. This is extremely impressive since Ohio follows the 5 match rule and most KY kids didn’t get favorable duals. Lose first match best you can do is 7th. Only teams to finish higher two were clubs and the other was Graham who got 3rd.
7 hours ago, Jbrown1405 said:I just saw Isaac Thorton lose a match to Super 32 Champion 6-4 and should have had a takedown that was called out of bounds.
Byrant Bean, Spencer Moore, Cole Thomas, Tanner Spaulding,and all the Messerly’s looked really good against some of the best kids from Ohio.
I wish they would have been able to bring full squads. Walton Verona finished 4th and Ryle finished 5th. This is extremely impressive since Ohio follows the 5 match rule and most KY kids didn’t get favorable duals. Lose first match best you can do is 7th. Only teams to finish higher two were clubs and the other was Graham who got 3rd.
It was a great tournament for sure. Carter Messerly had the worst draw of the day!! He drew some kid from Legacy Christian that was the MOW of tournament, I think the hammers name was... Gavin Brown!! I think Carter takes runner up or 3rd if he wasn’t realigned in bracket and had to endure this guy!
It was absolutely a great tournament for ky kids to judge where they stand against some of the best! Bottom line is ky wrestling is very weak compared to the rest of the country and if the ky wrestlers wrestled the same caliber of kids that were at the tournament Saturday on a weekly basis they would either have to improve or settle for mediocrity. Bad draw or not the ky kids Saturday wrestled great and should be commended for their efforts! To be the best you should practice and compete with the best often! The best wrestlers in the world practice and compete with the best wrestlers in the world on a daily basis. A wrestlers motto should always be there are zero excuses EVER!! The amount of hard work put in corresponds directly with the results put out!
1. Blue Fletcher .Carr .8th
2. Noah Duke. Ryle. 8th
3. Brayden Giannone Carr. 8th
4. Bryant Beane. Walton. 7th
5. Issac Thorton. Walton .8th
6. Dylan Walls. Tigers. 8th
7. Luke Chapman. Carr. 8th
8. Cole Thomas. Ryle. 8th
9. Jeffery Kinley. Madison 8th
10. Spencer Moore. Walton. 8th
11. Reece Goss. Woodford. 8th
12. Jude Powell Colt. 7th
13. Caleb Wittry. Scott. 8th
14. Nick Giompalo. 7th. Johnson
15. Lauren Walton 6th Carr + Olivia Messerly Ryle. 7th
I put those two together as well...... #OlypmicBound!
This list is in no particular order!
Several left off worthy of the top 15! #KentuckyWrestling!
1, Dylan Walls
2, Reece Goss
3, Blue Fletcher
4. Noah Duke
5, Brayden Giannone
6, Jeffery Kinley
7, Cael Miracle
8, Devon Herron
9, Braynt Beene
10, Carter Messerly
2 minutes ago, dutch said:Spencer Moore would be on any list in my opinion.
Its hard to make a top 10. Without leaving Good wrestlers off.
1 hour ago, Bond James Bond said:Its hard to make a top 10. Without leaving Good wrestlers off.
But you probably shouldn't leave off a kid who has beaten 3 guys on your list in the last month. Or as Dutch mentioned a multiple time state champ.
3 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:But you probably shouldn't leave off a kid who has beaten 3 guys on your list in the last month. Or as Dutch mentioned a multiple time state champ.
Who is Spencer Moore? Who does he wrestle for?
11 minutes ago, Chris Duke said:Who is Spencer Moore? Who does he wrestle for?
Ha ha. Not sure. Some little turd. But Thornton has solid wins over Kinley, Miracle, and Herron.
It’s apparent who really follows wrestling when they leave a kid like Spencer Moore off the list. Spencer and Noah duke are the top two middle school wrestlers hands down. Spencer with his wins over nationally ranked kids and the fact that Noah is a top kid in the high school rankings. We are talking about competing in a big boy weight as an 8th grader. The last big boy in those weights as an 8th grader was Max Andreoni at 145 I believe. Max was able to compete with the big boys.
If Spencer Moore could get to at least 100 lbs he would win a high school state title at 106 this year.
Anyone that really follows KY wrestling would agree with me
I know someone is going to respond that Noah took a loss two weeks ago. That’s OK coming out of football season. Come state tournament time, I would bet Noah is good to go for middle school and making a run at a high school state title.
Yawn wake me up after the tech fall, of a kid he should have pinned in 45 seconds. 105 is by far the hardest weight class this year. Jeffery wrestles up, so he can get better competition always has. Herron has never ran from competition. So just because they lost a match doesn't mean anything to me. I respect the wrestlers who go out of there way for harder competition. It's not Moore's fault he is dominate at 86. But I made my list based off who has the hardest way to go thru state. ALL of my picks are contenders. Trust me, I'm sure that Loss you mentioned only motivated them. You should Give yourself a pat on the back for throwing excellent wrestlers under the bus. Like I said Yawn. But now we all know how you really feel. Best to just stay humble and let the work speak for itself.
1 hour ago, dutch said:It’s apparent who really follows wrestling when they leave a kid like Spencer Moore off the list. Spencer and Noah duke are the top two middle school wrestlers hands down. Spencer with his wins over nationally ranked kids and the fact that Noah is a top kid in the high school rankings. We are talking about competing in a big boy weight as an 8th grader. The last big boy in those weights as an 8th grader was Max Andreoni at 145 I believe. Max was able to compete with the big boys.
If Spencer Moore could get to at least 100 lbs he would win a high school state title at 106 this year.
Anyone that really follows KY wrestling would agree with me
If that's the case why not bump up to 92 lb or 98 lb in middle school tournament?
7 hours ago, dutch said:It’s apparent who really follows wrestling when they leave a kid like Spencer Moore off the list. Spencer and Noah duke are the top two middle school wrestlers hands down. Spencer with his wins over nationally ranked kids and the fact that Noah is a top kid in the high school rankings. We are talking about competing in a big boy weight as an 8th grader. The last big boy in those weights as an 8th grader was Max Andreoni at 145 I believe. Max was able to compete with the big boys.
If Spencer Moore could get to at least 100 lbs he would win a high school state title at 106 this year.
Anyone that really follows KY wrestling would agree with me
Noah and Spencer are great great wrestlers but I don't think I'd say hands down they are the best kids in the middle school ranks. There a couple more kids that are pretty darn good to.
5 hours ago, Bond James Bond said:Yawn wake me up after the tech fall, of a kid he should have pinned in 45 seconds. 105 is by far the hardest weight class this year. Jeffery wrestles up, so he can get better competition always has. Herron has never ran from competition. So just because they lost a match doesn't mean anything to me. I respect the wrestlers who go out of there way for harder competition. It's not Moore's fault he is dominate at 86. But I made my list based off who has the hardest way to go thru state. ALL of my picks are contenders. Trust me, I'm sure that Loss you mentioned only motivated them. You should Give yourself a pat on the back for throwing excellent wrestlers under the bus. Like I said Yawn. But now we all know how you really feel. Best to just stay humble and let the work speak for itself.
Quite funny. Interesting criteria. Ignore wins and losses, just base it off being in a tough weight class.
And where exactly did I throw anyone under the bus? All I did was state facts that another kid has beaten multiple kids that you listed and somehow that kid isn't on the list. It's actually a pretty simple concept.
As for Spencer, I didn't mention his name. But I will give you some facts. Like many of his teammates, most of the season he has been stepping on the scale anywhere from 3-5 pounds under weight all season. In case you are a little drowsy and need help with the math that puts him in the 80 range. But he has in fact wrestled up at 92 at multiple events this season in addition to winning a couple HS events at 106. He has hit a little spurt and has been up to 85, but will continue to wrestle right where his team needs him.
I believe list like this is where we really get to see one's bias.
How can a kid that has won cliff keen USA wrestling pre season nationals, 2nd at Ohio TOC, All American at USA wrestling middle school nationals and heartland national duals 4th at Tulsa kick off classic and 2nd at Flo Nationals not be in the top of this list on those merits alone. In those tournaments he's probably seen tougher competition than all others on this list have their entire wrestling career and he's had a whole lot of success doing so.
8 hours ago, dutch said:It’s apparent who really follows wrestling when they leave a kid like Spencer Moore off the list. Spencer and Noah duke are the top two middle school wrestlers hands down. Spencer with his wins over nationally ranked kids and the fact that Noah is a top kid in the high school rankings. We are talking about competing in a big boy weight as an 8th grader. The last big boy in those weights as an 8th grader was Max Andreoni at 145 I believe. Max was able to compete with the big boys.
If Spencer Moore could get to at least 100 lbs he would win a high school state title at 106 this year.
Anyone that really follows KY wrestling would agree with me
Joe Jackson, 8th. grade 2015 160lbs. regional Champ John Harden. Maybe made the semi's not sure. But I am SURE GOO will be out there to correct me if I'm wrong!
Everyone has their own biased opinions, but facts are facts. That is what I prefer to use to discuss these types of topics. Things like head-to-head wins, titles, national accomplishments that a black and white. Not who won in practice or "works hardest" or is in the toughest weight class (although that one is comical as well given Thornton gets no credit).
Yep. But you need both facts, AND opinions to keep lively discussions and debates flowing. Use only facts and you wind up with a boring website no one will visit. Use only opinions and watch the chaos ensue. I do actually like it when Goo teaches me something when he corrects me, and I Know better than to argue FACTS with him! Just banter between 2 old farts, All's good.
1 hour ago, Bluesdad said:Noah and Spencer are great great wrestlers but I don't think I'd say hands down they are the best kids in the middle school ranks. There a couple more kids that are pretty darn good to.
I say without hesitation that Spencer Moore is the best middle school wrestler in the state. I'm not sure you could add the national accolades of the next 5 wrestlers and have what he has. The only other middle school wrestler I can think of that has a national championship is who I would put at #2 Stephen Little. He's won Tulsa Kickoff Classic Noah Duke's strongest performance that comes to mind is his very strong showing at high school state as a 7th grader would certainly justify 3rd but with his recent loss to Brayden Giannone I would have to put Brayden 3rd and Noah Duke 4th. It's a shot in the dark from there on out but whoever is 5th is a distant 5th from this pack. In fact, I would be willing to say 5 thru 10 are closer than 4th and 5th.
8 hours ago, dutch said:I know someone is going to respond that Noah took a loss two weeks ago. That’s OK coming out of football season. Come state tournament time, I would bet Noah is good to go for middle school and making a run at a high school state title.
I would agree that Noah will be ready to go come state time, however, a loss is a loss. Coming out of football or not so the nod goes to Giannone for now.
5 minutes ago, REscalera said:I say without hesitation that Spencer Moore is the best middle school wrestler in the state. I'm not sure you could add the national accolades of the next 5 wrestlers and have what he has. The only other middle school wrestler I can think of that has a national championship is who I would put at #2 Stephen Little. He's won Tulsa Kickoff Classic Noah Duke's strongest performance that comes to mind is his very strong showing at high school state as a 7th grader would certainly justify 3rd but with his recent loss to Brayden Giannone I would have to put Brayden 3rd and Noah Duke 4th. It's a shot in the dark from there on out but whoever is 5th is a distant 5th from this pack. In fact, I would be willing to say 5 thru 10 are closer than 4th and 5th.
I would agree that Noah will be ready to go come state time, however, a loss is a loss. Coming out of football or not so the nod goes to Giannone for now.
I agree the top 3 "Spencer, Giaonne, Duke anyway you type their names their the top 3" are a step above the rest. Their monsters but their not head and shoulders above say 4-6 or 7. 5 and 6 are closer to them then you think IMO.
15 minutes ago, REscalera said:I say without hesitation that Spencer Moore is the best middle school wrestler in the state. I'm not sure you could add the national accolades of the next 5 wrestlers and have what he has. The only other middle school wrestler I can think of that has a national championship is who I would put at #2 Stephen Little. He's won Tulsa Kickoff Classic Noah Duke's strongest performance that comes to mind is his very strong showing at high school state as a 7th grader would certainly justify 3rd but with his recent loss to Brayden Giannone I would have to put Brayden 3rd and Noah Duke 4th. It's a shot in the dark from there on out but whoever is 5th is a distant 5th from this pack. In fact, I would be willing to say 5 thru 10 are closer than 4th and 5th.
I would agree that Noah will be ready to go come state time, however, a loss is a loss. Coming out of football or not so the nod goes to Giannone for now.
I agree Spencer is my number 1 right now. Giannone takes the 2 spot beating Duke. After talking with his dad it sounds like a rematch is around the corner. I throw Duke in at 3 after pinning Little at the Raider Rumble.
9 minutes ago, Chris Duke said:I agree Spencer is my number 1 right now. Giannone takes the 2 spot beating Duke. After talking with his dad it sounds like a rematch is around the corner. I throw Duke in at 3 after pinning Little at the Raider Rumble.
Mushroom cloud boom!!!!!! Excuse my ignorance buddy. I was not aware of that one. You are correct. Stephen to 4th and the other 2 up to 2nd and 3rd respectively.
27 minutes ago, Bluesdad said:I agree the top 3 "Spencer, Giaonne, Duke anyway you type their names their the top 3" are a step above the rest. Their monsters but their not head and shoulders above say 4-6 or 7. 5 and 6 are closer to them then you think IMO.
I'll concede the "head and shoulders" argument when it comes to every wrestler except Spencer Moore. Although I firmly believe the others have separated themselves from the pack I'll let it go. As for Spencer though there is no logical explanation not to have him not only at the top spot but leaps and bounds ahead. Saying that isn't a knock against another wrestler either. It doesn't mean that the others aren't good wrestlers themselves. It just means that he is that much ahead of the others.
58 minutes ago, depperschmidt said:Yep. But you need both facts, AND opinions to keep lively discussions and debates flowing. Use only facts and you wind up with a boring website no one will visit. Use only opinions and watch the chaos ensue. I do actually like it when Goo teaches me something when he corrects me, and I Know better than to argue FACTS with him! Just banter between 2 old farts, All's good.
Yeah but we know who the older fart is though. (just so others know its not me).
Just glad someone else out there got the "Joe Friday" reference
Had to look up your other question and seems right to me. Wasn't sure on that one. Ya-got-me!
59 minutes ago, depperschmidt said:Yep. But you need both facts, AND opinions to keep lively discussions and debates flowing. Use only facts and you wind up with a boring website no one will visit. Use only opinions and watch the chaos ensue. I do actually like it when Goo teaches me something when he corrects me, and I Know better than to argue FACTS with him! Just banter between 2 old farts, All's good.
Opinions keep it interesting, but when someone's opinion completely contradicts all the facts it becomes just nonsense.
For example, we can have a lively discussion about who was better John Smith or Jordan Burroughs and throw out all the stats and our opinions and there really is no clear right/wrong answer. But if we debate Kyle Dake v David Taylor the answer has been settled. To argue otherwise is pointless. And yes I chose the Cornell example on purpose.
17 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:Opinions keep it interesting, but when someone's opinion completely contradicts all the facts it becomes just nonsense.
For example, we can have a lively discussion about who was better John Smith or Jordan Burroughs and throw out all the stats and our opinions and there really is no clear right/wrong answer. But if we debate Kyle Dake v David Taylor the answer has been settled. To argue otherwise is pointless. And yes I chose the Cornell example on purpose.
John Smith of course. Go Pokes!!!!!!
On December 15, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Ranger123 said:Quite funny. Interesting criteria. Ignore wins and losses, just base it off being in a tough weight class.
And where exactly did I throw anyone under the bus? All I did was state facts that another kid has beaten multiple kids that you listed and somehow that kid isn't on the list. It's actually a pretty simple concept.
As for Spencer, I didn't mention his name. But I will give you some facts. Like many of his teammates, most of the season he has been stepping on the scale anywhere from 3-5 pounds under weight all season. In case you are a little drowsy and need help with the math that puts him in the 80 range. But he has in fact wrestled up at 92 at multiple events this season in addition to winning a couple HS events at 106. He has hit a little spurt and has been up to 85, but will continue to wrestle right where his team needs him.
Who is your 92 and 98? Why tech fall inferior opponents? yawn. Seems like Union Ryle Walton has made a pack. We won't upset your 92 or 98 lb weight class. And in return you worship my comments on the forum.
If you all are going to say he could win 106 in high school if he weighed a little more. Then it's only reasonable to wrestle state at 92 or 98. You all make me laugh.
Top 5
1, Giaonone
2, Duke
3, Fletcher
4, Thorton
5, Walls
who do you take off? It's not clear anyone is the best pound for pound. That's the Mike Tyson VS Mayweather argument. No way to know for sure. Yes Moore has great accomplishments. I hope he goes on to wrestler for Ohio St. And does great. I hope my post fuels him to get even better.
Just like I hope your comments fuel Miracle, Herron and Kinley to get better since they are not up to your standards.
Ok. You want to keep going down this path. Let's go.
First, you can post under as many screen names as you want. You can run but you can't hide out down there in Mt Sterling. Second, just because you continue to cry about the 2 lb allowance it won't get you past kids like Thomas and Eckman. Use your multiple personalities and screen names to attempt to make an argument instead of just getting good enough to beat the kids in front of you.
Third, you and your kid were at John Hardin and KWOA where Spencer weighed in well below 86. You know this. Just playing ignorant to attempt to make a point. Well maybe not playing. And from what I hear your kid told spencer face to face that he was coming down to 86 after Christmas. Go for it. According to you it is so terrible your kid shouldn't have any competition. We shall see. You are coming to our place Jan 6. Go for it.
Fourth, lets go back to your "close the gap" thread. Jealous parents spending a ton of energy focusing on other kids instead of improving their own is not how you make up that gap.
24 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:Ok. You want to keep going down this path. Let's go.
First, you can post under as many screen names as you want. You can run but you can't hide out down there in Mt Sterling. Second, just because you continue to cry about the 2 lb allowance it won't get you past kids like Thomas and Eckman. Use your multiple personalities and screen names to attempt to make an argument instead of just getting good enough to beat the kids in front of you.
Third, you and your kid were at John Hardin and KWOA where Spencer weighed in well below 86. You know this. Just playing ignorant to attempt to make a point. Well maybe not playing. And from what I hear your kid told spencer face to face that he was coming down to 86 after Christmas. Go for it. According to you it is so terrible your kid shouldn't have any competition. We shall see. You are coming to our place Jan 6. Go for it.
Fourth, lets go back to your "close the gap" thread. Jealous parents spending a ton of energy focusing on other kids instead of improving their own is not how you make up that gap.
I wish I could like this!!
Why does it seem that “Fed Up” “Notorious” and “Bond James Bond” are all the same person? I thought we came on this forum as ourselves and debated, bantered, agreed and problem solved as ourselves? Is Tanger really Ranger or Dutch? Is Bulldog really Homes or CCarr and Duke has to be Richard Escalara but not as good looking!!! IM SO CONFUSED!!
2 minutes ago, gameface said:Why does it seem that “Fed Up” “Notorious” and “Bond James Bond” are all the same person? I thought we came on this forum as ourselves and debated, bantered, agreed and problem solved as ourselves? Is Tanger really Ranger or Dutch? Is Bulldog really Homes or CCarr and Duke has to be Richard Escalara but not as good looking!!! IM SO CONFUSED!!
lol
1 hour ago, Bond James Bond said:Who is your 92 and 98? Why tech fall inferior opponents? yawn. Seems like Union Ryle Walton has made a pack. We won't upset your 92 or 98 lb weight class. And in return you worship my comments on the forum.
If you all are going to say he could win 106 in high school if he weighed a little more. Then it's only reasonable to wrestle state at 92 or 98. You all make me laugh.
Top 5
1, Giaonone
2, Duke
3, Fletcher
4, Thorton
5, Walls
who do you take off? It's not clear anyone is the best pound for pound. That's the Mike Tyson VS Mayweather argument. No way to know for sure. Yes Moore has great accomplishments. I hope he goes on to wrestler for Ohio St. And does great. I hope my post fuels him to get even better.
Just like I hope your comments fuel Miracle, Herron and Kinley to get better since they are not up to your standards.
You show your immaturity when you call kids inferior. Jonathan is a state champ and has only been wrestling 3 years. Far from inferior. Moore is a hammer and has beat him twice this year and Jonathan can’t wait to wrestle him again. Part of the sport take your losses learn from them and get back in the gym and grind. When you call kids inferior and go at them you have no class. Your a joke whoever you are!
On December 15, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Jonathan said:You show your immaturity when you call kids inferior. Jonathan is a state champ and has only been wrestling 3 years. Far from inferior. Moore is a hammer and has beat him twice this year and Jonathan can’t wait to wrestle him again. Part of the sport take your losses learn from them and get back in the gym and grind. When you call kids inferior and go at them you have no class. Your a joke whoever you are!
I never mentioned your son. He's a state champ. Not sure why you would assume I was talking about him.
49 minutes ago, Jonathan said:You show your immaturity when you call kids inferior. Jonathan is a state champ and has only been wrestling 3 years. Far from inferior. Moore is a hammer and has beat him twice this year and Jonathan can’t wait to wrestle him again. Part of the sport take your losses learn from them and get back in the gym and grind. When you call kids inferior and go at them you have no class. Your a joke whoever you are!
Amen. I have been very impressed with the work Gilbert has put in. As an opposing coach it is obvious he is determined to close that gap. He came to the all star meet ready to roll and wrestled great. Definitely not in the category of inferior. Stupid to refer to a state champ that way especially when you haven't achieved that level.
2 minutes ago, Bond James Bond said:I never mentioned your son. He's a state champ. Not sure why you would assume I was talking about him.
You called all the 86 kids inferior.
On December 15, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Ranger123 said:Amen. I have been very impressed with the work Gilbert has put in. As an opposing coach it is obvious he is determined to close that gap. He came to the all star meet ready to roll and wrestled great. Definitely not in the category of inferior. Stupid to refer to a state champ that way especially when you haven't achieved that level.
What are you talking about. When did I ever mention him?
On December 15, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Ranger123 said:You called all the 86 kids inferior.
WOW! You pretty much called the state inferior! When I had a different top 10 than yours. But good try.
Go back and Re read! I said why tech fall inferior opponents. I never said 86 were inferior wrestlers! Lol good try.
1 hour ago, Bond James Bond said:Go back and Re read! I said why tech fall inferior opponents. I never said 86 were inferior wrestlers! Lol good try.
Pretty simple. You admit you said tech fall inferior opponents. Spencer teched Gilbert at KWOA. Not sure how else to interpret that.
1 hour ago, Bond James Bond said:WOW! You pretty much called the state inferior! When I had a different top 10 than yours. But good try.
Try waking up and re-read. My first response was asking how you had 3 kids listed and left off the kid who beat them all.
I sent Ranger a message. Of course his son is top 10. I was trying to stir the pot with a different list. I shouldn't have accused Ranger of throwing any kids under the bus.
I know I didn't or wouldn't do that.
I would only argue about who the BEST is. It was not to diss your son. If you took that away I apologize.
1 hour ago, Bond James Bond said:I sent Ranger a message. Of course his son is top 10. I was trying to stir the pot with a different list. I shouldn't have accused Ranger of throwing any kids under the bus.
I know I didn't or wouldn't do that.
I would only argue about who the BEST is. It was not to diss your son. If you took that away I apologize.
Bond, either you're Notorious under a differnt name or you have small peepee syndrome like he does.
2 hours ago, Bond James Bond said:I sent Ranger a message. Of course his son is top 10. I was trying to stir the pot with a different list. I shouldn't have accused Ranger of throwing any kids under the bus.
I know I didn't or wouldn't do that.
I would only argue about who the BEST is. It was not to diss your son. If you took that away I apologize.
Wow, what an embarrassment. You back pedal better than Deion Sanders!
Find another sport. You’re a joke.
7 hours ago, Bond James Bond said:who do you take off? It's not clear anyone is the best pound for pound. That's the Mike Tyson VS Mayweather argument. No way to know for sure.
Are you kidding me the best pound for pound is Ali. C'mon man 
You can’t blame him for back pedaling, Now that the northern Kentucky mafia has ID’d him, he might be sleeping with the fishes
6 hours ago, DocG said:You can’t blame him for back pedaling, Now that the northern Kentucky mafia has ID’d him, he might be sleeping with the fishes
Heaven Forbid! .......No WAY.........James Bond is the most slippery fish of all.
You can’t have a list and not have Spencer on it. Best 3 kids I’ve seen this year (limited so not being disrespectful) are...
Moore
Giannone
Blue
I’m looking forward to seeing the rest of these studs this season though!
I'm curious to where Giannone, Chapman, Blue, and Hatchett are going to go to High School?
30 minutes ago, DrBaker said:I'm curious to where Giannone, Chapman, Blue, and Hatchett are going to go to High School?
I see Blue listed with Johnson Central.
10 minutes ago, DrBaker said:I see Blue listed with Johnson Central.
Blues doesn't attend Johnson Central any longer. He transferred to Lawrence County "which doesn't have a wrestling program" last year.
On 12/2/2017 at 6:07 PM, Notorious said:1. Issac Thornton
2. Braydon Geionne
3. Noah Duke
4. Bryant Beene
5. Reece Goss
6. Jeffery Kinley
7. Trayce Eckman
8. Spencer Moore
9. Cole Thomas
10. Luke Chapman
Honarable Mentions Top 10.
1. Cael Miracle.
2. Dylan Walls
3. Devon and Braedon Herron
4. Blue Fletcher
5. Olivia Merrsley & Lauren Walton
6. Nolan Bandfield & Gus Roberts
7. Nick Giamplo & Judd Powell
8. Max Speaker & Jacob Cain
8. Skyler & Gavin Andreoni
9. Blaine Hicks & Zach Straues
10. Carter Mersserly & Steven little, Colin Tuckur Conner duddon, Chris Bagly, Vega, Spalding.
Way to many 2 name. Sorry if I miss spelt some names.
This is just an opinion of the wrestlers I like to watch. I'm sure I left off a potential state champion or 2.
Dylan Walls is going to be ranked top 3 in high school at 106 I think he cracks the top 10 overall in middle school
On 12/21/2017 at 10:09 AM, Bluesdad said:Blues doesn't attend Johnson Central any longer. He transferred to Lawrence County "which doesn't have a wrestling program" last year.
On 12/21/2017 at 10:09 AM, Bluesdad said:
Hope he will be wrestling in high school
On 12/14/2017 at 5:50 PM, Jonathan said:You show your immaturity when you call kids inferior. Jonathan is a state champ and has only been wrestling 3 years. Far from inferior. Moore is a hammer and has beat him twice this year and Jonathan can’t wait to wrestle him again. Part of the sport take your losses learn from them and get back in the gym and grind. When you call kids inferior and go at them you have no class. Your a joke whoever you are!
I don't see any problem calling another wrestler inferior to another, especially if one has been TF by another. I also agree that part of the sport is to take your losses, get back in the gym and get better. I'm also glad to hear that Jonathan is looking forward to his next match against Spencer. Win or lose it's all about getting better and having fun throughout the process. I also believe that brutal honesty with our young athletes is necessary for proper development and denying that one is inferior to another for the sake of not hurting ones feelings or for ones own pride is I'll fated. Being a state champ only makes them equals in being a state champ not in ability. And that's ok. It's not a knock against one or the other nor is anyone taking anything away from the inferior wrestler. He's still a state champ.....just not the other's equal on the mat.
On 12/21/2017 at 10:09 AM, Bluesdad said:Blues doesn't attend Johnson Central any longer. He transferred to Lawrence County "which doesn't have a wrestling program" last year.
So where will he wrestle? Sure hate to see a #1 ranked kid and potential 8th grade state champ not wrestle in high school.
10 minutes ago, DrBaker said:Is it wrong to say that I've got room in my basement if he wants to come to Union?
How big of a basement do ya got...:))))
2 minutes ago, Keepyourheadup said:Spencer Moore is # 1 middle school wrestler in KY.
I agree but there’s a few catching up to him.
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2 hours ago, Bluesdad said:I agree but there’s a few catching up to him.
Not to be contrary but, aside from Spencer Moore, I can't think of a current middle school wrestler in the state that is consistently winning or placing high at national tournaments or that has wins against other top middle school wrestlers in the nation. If there are some please make us aware of them. We must not keep them a secret. It's important that we recognize them.
25 minutes ago, REscalera said:P]
Not to be contrary but, aside from Spencer Moore, I can't think of a current middle school wrestler in the state that is consistently winning or placing high at national tournaments or that has wins against other top middle school wrestlers in the nation. If there are some please make us aware of them. We must not keep them a secret. It's important that we recognize them.
I love to read your smart replies it makes my day lol.
Here’s where my comment came from. He beat Chris Begley earlier this season 15-0 at John Hardin. At the Brawl last season the score was 12-7 hence the catching up. Spencer is a stud and the best middle school kid in Ky without a doubt. Kids are putting in work and catching up. That’s just a fact.
Your comments make it seem as tho I was trying to discredit Spencer which is far from the truth.
2 minutes ago, Bluesdad said:I love to read your smart replies it makes my day lol.
Here’s where my comment came from. He beat Chris Begley earlier this season 15-0 at John Hardin. At the Brawl last season the score was 12-7 hence the catching up. Spencer is a stud and the best middle school kid in Ky without a doubt. Kids are putting in work and catching up. That’s just a fact.
Your comments make it seem as tho I was trying to discredit Spencer which is far from the truth.
I appreciate that compliment Mr. Fletcher. You know, I was that kid that grew up with a dad like the one in That 70's Show. It was either Hey dumbass! or You jackass! It's good to hear something positive and to be recognized for it as well. Thanks again.
1 minute ago, REscalera said:I appreciate that compliment Mr. Fletcher. You know, I was that kid that grew up with a dad like the one in That 70's Show. It was either Hey dumbass! or You jackass! It's good to hear something positive and to be recognized for it as well. Thanks again.
Your welcome! Red is a icon to us all.
Now, to your point regarding the 2 matches. The scores don't really tell us much. How many times has Blue dominated someone but only won by a couple of points? I see it all the time. I've also seen it the other way around where it's 8-2 and a very good match. How were the points scored and and was there anything going on that might influence the score. For example, there were times in middle school that Zeke was not allowed to score a takedown or reversal in the 1st period simetime first 2 periods. only escapes if he were taken down. He had to intentionally give up his leg and fight off the takedown. There were times he'd be down 4-1 at the end of the 1st. The kid would stall out the rest of the match and it would end with the score looking closer than it teally was. The kid walked off thinking he'd close the gap when in reality it just got wider.
20 minutes ago, Bluesdad said:Your welcome! Red is a icon to us all.
He makes the show!!!!!
Reading these rankings, predictions, and discussion everyone has had about how many weight class Championships Spencer Moore could possibly seize , made me realize that there is a reasonable chance Cole Thomas, Spencer, and Luke Chapman could all find themselves at 106 next year. That would be fun for the fans.
I think I’ll stir the pot a bit. I just watched Spencer wrestle for the high school team at 113 and win convincingly. I find it hard to believe there are many other wrestlers in the state that can give up almost 30lbs and be competitive. That is over a third of his body weight! The little beast weighs 86lbs! Hands down best in the state!
2 hours ago, depperschmidt said:Reading these rankings, predictions, and discussion everyone has had about how many weight class Championships Spencer Moore could possibly seize , made me realize that there is a reasonable chance Cole Thomas, Spencer, and Luke Chapman could all find themselves at 106 next year. That would be fun for the fans.
Yes there will be a lot of very very good lightweights coming up to HS in the next year. And yes that will be a lot of fun to watch. Also makes it fun when they are all great kids off the mat.
1 hour ago, Run_isaac_run said:I think I’ll stir the pot a bit. I just watched Spencer wrestle for the high school team at 113 and win convincingly. I find it hard to believe there are many other wrestlers in the state that can give up almost 30lbs and be competitive. That is over a third of his body weight! The little beast weighs 86lbs! Hands down best in the state!
He beat Thomas Deck?!?!
Lol I didn’t say he beat Deck. But he did wrestle damn near 30 lbs over his weight. Looked like David and Goliath. I think whenever his body decides to grow there will be a lot of upset wrestlers.
11 hours ago, Run_isaac_run said:Lol I didn’t say he beat Deck. But he did wrestle damn near 30 lbs over his weight. Looked like David and Goliath. I think whenever his body decides to grow there will be a lot of upset wrestlers.
I agree!
On 12/4/2017 at 2:22 PM, Jbrown1405 said:I just saw Isaac Thorton lose a match to Super 32 Champion 6-4 and should have had a takedown that was called out of bounds.
Byrant Bean, Spencer Moore, Cole Thomas, Tanner Spaulding,and all the Messerly’s looked really good against some of the best kids from Ohio.
I wish they would have been able to bring full squads. Walton Verona finished 4th and Ryle finished 5th. This is extremely impressive since Ohio follows the 5 match rule and most KY kids didn’t get favorable duals. Lose first match best you can do is 7th. Only teams to finish higher two were clubs and the other was Graham who got 3rd.
I would really like to see Thorton take that next step. Sounds like a fun match to watch. Duke, Moore, Thomas are ahead of the field in my opinion...
Jayden and Jordyn Raney. This is track list of top KY wrestlers from 2002-2007 middle school eligible ages. They have both won or placed high in major national tournaments for the past five years Jordyn has never not won a state title since he was 5 2013. Jayden has been a state finalist during the same time and has won it every year accept his first (he was runner up) Jordyn has won Cliff Keen twice last time in October. Jayden won Ohio tournament of champion last year Jordyn was runner up. They both won the iron man award at USA south east regionals last year. They were both 30-0 in the 2017-18 middle school Leage. They both won Middle School State last week. With all bonus point win. Oh yea they are both 10 years old.
5 hours ago, Mustang Nation said:Jayden and Jordyn Raney. This is track list of top KY wrestlers from 2002-2007 middle school eligible ages. They have both won or placed high in major national tournaments for the past five years Jordyn has never not won a state title since he was 5 2013. Jayden has been a state finalist during the same time and has won it every year accept his first (he was runner up) Jordyn has won Cliff Keen twice last time in October. Jayden won Ohio tournament of champion last year Jordyn was runner up. They both won the iron man award at USA south east regionals last year. They were both 30-0 in the 2017-18 middle school Leage. They both won Middle School State last week. With all bonus point win. Oh yea they are both 10 years old.
The Raney twins are great wrestlers no doubt. Thought the same before they won their state titles last week too. But they are elementary wrestlers that wrestle up in KY middle school. As for their national success, you can't shake a stick at it as long as you keep it in perspective. That being that it was won in elementary brackets not middle school brackets at the national level. Your sense of reasoning though, success at the national level, I can agree with. Which is exactly why I say Spencer Moore is at the top. There isn't another middle school wrestle close.to achieving the level of success he has at the national level as a middle schooler. Once they are in 6th grade, I am certain they will be at or near the top of this list.
We can argue who is the best wrestler in the state till we are blue in the face. However there is no way to calculate that. we can only calculate (using known facts) who is statistically the best wrestler per weight class. I personally have my favorites based on heart, enthusiasm and love for the sport. Some are my wrestlers and most are from other schools.to say Spencer, Blue, Noah or the Raney twins are the best in the state is not a valid argument these young men represent 5 different weight classes. Certainly they are the best wrestlers statistically, but this weekend we saw several upsets and we all know that ant given match 1 tiny mistake can and has caused a loss. I can honestly say that I personally believe every kid in Kentucky is better for having parents and coaches like us who are there win lose or draw. Lets keep moving forward and hopefully before we all die we can catch up to the rest of the country in numbers.
They are all great and are bringing up Kentucky Wrestling as they write their stories. Stephan Little can whip all of them 
On 2/7/2018 at 1:54 PM, Mustang Nation said:Jayden and Jordyn Raney. This is track list of top KY wrestlers from 2002-2007 middle school eligible ages. They have both won or placed high in major national tournaments for the past five years Jordyn has never not won a state title since he was 5 2013. Jayden has been a state finalist during the same time and has won it every year accept his first (he was runner up) Jordyn has won Cliff Keen twice last time in October. Jayden won Ohio tournament of champion last year Jordyn was runner up. They both won the iron man award at USA south east regionals last year. They were both 30-0 in the 2017-18 middle school Leage. They both won Middle School State last week. With all bonus point win. Oh yea they are both 10 years old.
Any list where a kid who is ranked 20 slots above Brayden, that was majored by Brayden this year 10-0 in their only meeting and Brayden beat common opponents this year, who the other wrestler lost to this year, is a joke. There are at least 4 kids Brayden beat head to head this year ranked above him. Sll depends how many meets you go to that are on track. Stick with Ranger’s and Duke’s rankings and who is at the top of the podium.
I think it is awesome that we can debate who is the best middle school wrestler. That means we have a bunch of kids that are tough as nails. I have always said that Spencer Moore is hands down the best. Not necessarily because of state titles or national placements. That does play a part though. I have seen Spencer practice at my house 3-4 days a week for years. I compare his work ethic and his understanding of wrestling to my son at that age. He is light years ahead. He constantly works to improve and is the only kid I don’t see breaking during a hard practice. If Spencer did break, you know as a coach that was a tough practice.
I know we all seem to put stock in state titles but that doesn’t always work out. All these kids improve at different rates. I have seen a ton of kids over the years. They all reach their potential at different times. I think the most important thing is continuing to grow and mature. Once they realize it’s as mental as physical, that’s when things change. Like I said I think Spencer already understands that concept and that’s why he can give up 30 lbs and compete.
1 hour ago, DocG said:Sll depends how many meets you go to that are on track.
Before we all start making excuses as to why our kiddo isn't higher on this list let's be sure our reasoning is justified by the information given. For example If the above statement were true we wouldn't see so many wrestlers above Brayden with less matches than Brayden. With the being said I'm sure this list is useful for something Mustang Nation but as DocG has pointed out I'm not so sure it's to be used the was you're using it. I think I like Dr. Baker' s way of seeing it. It's our future in wrestling and a good one it is.
15 minutes ago, REscalera said:Before we all start making excuses as to why our kiddo isn't higher on this list let's be sure our reasoning is justified by the information given. For example If the above statement were true we wouldn't see so many wrestlers above Brayden with less matches than Brayden. With the being said I'm sure this list is useful for something Mustang Nation but as DocG has pointed out I'm not so sure it's to be used the was you're using it. I think I like Dr. Baker' s way of seeing it. It's our future in wrestling and a good one it is.
Check Track under Brayden’s significant wins REsclara ... the kids and tournaments are all listed there, and he hasn’t lost since States now a year ago.
Granted, He has gone to camps to train rather than compete every weekend locally and nationally, mostly Miron’s. It has paid off for him and worked well for our family. No excuses, just pointing out the flaws where wrestlers he has pinned in the first period this season are ranked above him.
39 minutes ago, DocG said:Check Track under Brayden’s significant wins REsclara ... the kids and tournaments are all listed there, and he hasn’t lost since States now a year ago.
Granted, He has gone to camps to train rather than compete every weekend locally and nationally, mostly Miron’s. It has paid off for him and worked well for our family. No excuses, just pointing out the flaws where wrestlers he has pinned in the first period this season are ranked above him.
Whoa! You totally misunderstood what I was saying so I apologize if it came across the wrong way. In no way was I saying anything bad about Brayden. He has proven himself on the mat for quite some time now and is a big part of the bright future of Kentucky wrestling. Like Dr. Baker said all the kids are great and are writing their own story and I hope they're all bigger and brighter than the stories written before them. My message was more me razzing you a bit by pointing out how we dad's can get a bit over zealous and say something that doesn't make much sense in an attempt to build our kiddos up. When in reality our kiddos don't need us doing stuff like that. Especially when, like Brayden, their results speak loud enough for themselves.
Don't apologize! It's middle school wrestling! Parents are actually upset cause their kids aren't ranked where they think they should be??!! you are exactly right it's the overzealous dad!! I would rather my son not even be ranked!! Who cares except the dads that think their kids are going to be in the olympics in 2028! The odds of that happening are slim to none!! You should be more worried about where your son is ranked amongst his peers academically!! If you people cared as much about academic rankings like you do these bs wrestling rankings we would be better off! Rankings don't win matches or your opinions of where your son should be ranked!!!
22 minutes ago, Challenger said:Don't apologize! It's middle school wrestling! Parents are actually upset cause their kids aren't ranked where they think they should be??!! you are exactly right it's the overzealous dad!! I would rather my son not even be ranked!! Who cares except the dads that think their kids are going to be in the olympics in 2028! The odds of that happening are slim to none!! You should be more worried about where your son is ranked amongst his peers academically!! If you people cared as much about academic rankings like you do these bs wrestling rankings we would be better off! Rankings don't win matches or your opinions of where your son should be ranked!!!
Great post. If they don’t have the grades the opportunities will be limited as far as money in college. I can tell you from going through the process of recruiting grades are a huge factor.
Hmmm, thought this was a thread debating who the best middle school wrestler was. Instead, I am an overzealous parent expecting my son to wrestle in the Olympics and he is apparently barely scraping by in school because I don’t care about his grades ...?
Challenger, you are a total fool.
9 hours ago, dutch said:Great post. If they don’t have the grades the opportunities will be limited as far as money in college. I can tell you from going through the process of recruiting grades are a huge factor.
I'll second that point. My kid was ready to move on from wrestling after high school, until we started talking to some college coaches who once they found out his grades and ACT scores, were suddenly all over him. And despite having just a solid high school resume, he ended up with several opportunities, and will now be wrestling at the next level. People would be surprised at the number of next level opportunities available to good wrestlers with great grades. And if you're a great wrestler with great grades, you'll have plenty of open doors.
42 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:I'll second that point. My kid was ready to move on from wrestling after high school, until we started talking to some college coaches who once they found out his grades and ACT scores, were suddenly all over him. And despite having just a solid high school resume, he ended up with several opportunities, and will now be wrestling at the next level. People would be surprised at the number of next level opportunities available to good wrestlers with great grades. And if you're a great wrestler with great grades, you'll have plenty of open doors.
Exactly why we preach to Blue grades are the most important thing to his future. Regardless if he can wrestle or play any sport for that matter at all if he has good grades doors will always be open. If his grades aren’t where they should be he doesn’t particiapate in any after school function. Thankfully he understands this and we’ve never had to step in and not let him compete. He concentrates in school and keeps his grades where they should be and we’re very thankful for that. He’s an alright kid I guess lol.