No particular order:

1. Random draw. I was told back and forth multiple times we were or weren’t doing this. I actually liked it. Kept things interesting.

2. Not rolling the mats up and focusing on the kids. This is very tacky. I hope the powers that be can make this known this was ridiculous. 

3. The plaques and brackets by the coaches association. I commend the entire association for making this happen. I was able to hold a bracket and I think it is wonderful! Thank you!

4. Live streaming. The consistent reminder is BS. What I find ridiculous is that we are not streaming it via track wrestling. Especially when I can’t stream it if a parent is deployed. 

5. The schedule change. 

I really liked the format change where the wrestlebacks have 2 rounds on Saturday. 

6. Announcing

I want to commend Mr. Paden ln his announcing. It kept the attention on tight matches and highlighting them. I hope that next yr we can highlight a returning state champion who goes to a 2x-3x etc. 

overall great tournament. I have other complaints but I’ll keep those private. Congrats to union co on the 3-peat.

You point number 2 was so bad. I still can’t believe they did that. It’s sad how much the atmosphere of the state wrestling tournament has been ruined by having it at Alltech Arena. 

I really hope the powers-that-be get it moved soon. 

I was told by a khsaa staff person they were planning to break mats down and move the finals mat, but Tackett put a last minute stop to it. Absolutely pitiful!

11 minutes ago, DamonMBarnes said:

You point number 2 was so bad. I still can’t believe they did that. It’s sad how much the atmosphere of the state wrestling tournament has been ruined by having it at Alltech Arena. 

I really hope the powers-that-be get it moved soon. 

As bad as that was atleast it wasn’t like several years ago when they ran the consi finals with the championship finals. 

All the Khsaa staff’s kids must play basketball 

12 minutes ago, DamonMBarnes said:

You point number 2 was so bad. I still can’t believe they did that. It’s sad how much the atmosphere of the state wrestling tournament has been ruined by having it at Alltech Arena. 

I really hope the powers-that-be get it moved soon. 

Totally agree. The stands were nasty. My pants were covered in dirt multiple times. 

On a positive note, the soft serve ice cream is pretty awesome!

I'd list my complaints but we don't have that kind of time.

Well lets get some wrestling fans in there... http://khsaa.org/021518-board-of-control-election-procedures/

Been Watching Indiana's state final online on IHSAA Website and Fox Sports Indiana. I know Mizzu's was on TV as well. It matters how much effort the KHSAA wants to put into it. The Boys Basketball tourney should be played at Horse Park as well. Fair is Fair 

Did not like having all the mats out, either. It just takes away from the atmosphere.

Speaking of atmosphere, where was the crowd tonight? I don't remember seeing that many empty seats ...

13 minutes ago, Josh_Claywell said:

Did not like having all the mats out, either. It just takes away from the atmosphere.

Speaking of atmosphere, where was the crowd tonight? I don't remember seeing that many empty seats ...

Was a completely dead arena. I think a large reason was due to the fact that St. X only had two finalists, which makes me feel bad for Konner Kraeszig. In years past, they have packed their portion of the stands.

I know people don’t like the idea of the tourney being 3 days but the Farnham Dudgeon Civic center was 100% better place was always pack much better atmosphere. 

48 minutes ago, Josh_Claywell said:

Did not like having all the mats out, either. It just takes away from the atmosphere.

Speaking of atmosphere, where was the crowd tonight? I don't remember seeing that many empty seats ...

Totally agree. The venue wasn’t as packed as normal. Even the woodford section. 

Before i forget congrats to @thomam and Moore for the schools first state champion. 

32 minutes ago, Wcthrowback said:

I know people don’t like the idea of the tourney being 3 days but the Farnham Dudgeon Civic center was 100% better place was always pack much better atmosphere. 

Even with 2 days, broadbend would be a great atmosphere. 

The Dungeon was the best atmosphere. I hate the horse park. Congrats to Union winning their third straight. Small school with less than 700 students beating St X with over 1300 boys and all those NKy teams, just impressive this run they have been on

1 hour ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

I The Dungeon was the best atmosphere. I hate the horse park. Congrats to Union winning their third straight. Small school with less than 700 students beating St X with over 1300 boys and all those NKy teams, just impressive this run they have been on

I agree thwith dungeon was the premier spot. I wanted to come down for the finals this year but the KHSAA doesn’t give a time. It lumps it in with the the medal rounds. 

5 hours ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

The Dungeon was the best atmosphere. I hate the horse park. Congrats to Union winning their third straight. Small school with less than 700 students beating St X with over 1300 boys and all those NKy teams, just impressive this run they have been on

A great team from a weak reg ...its all in numbers that make it out.

3 hours ago, LIONHEART said:

A great team from a weak reg ...its all in numbers that make it out.

A great team PERIOD.  Region 1 had 4 teams in the top 25 in team points.  Union had 7 placers, 5 finalist, and 2 champs.  If you remove the kids that didn't place they only finish .5 behind St. X.  I agree Regional placement may help in the first couple rounds after that you have to wrestle and Union did just that.

3 hours ago, LIONHEART said:

A great team from a weak reg ...its all in numbers that make it out.

Lionheart... you never fail to let me down with your crazy comments.

Four teams in top 25 ....Amazing ...how many teams in top 25.did each reg have ...and.how is it Crazy ...if you think Unions.reg has been.the toughest over the years you may be the one who needs a shrink ....and I said a great team...always been a fan but facts are facts ....why the PERIOD ..you people try to argue over things that are obvious to all  .I often wonder what some of your goals are ?

40 minutes ago, LIONHEART said:

Four teams in top 25 ....Amazing ...how many teams in top 25.did each reg have ...and.how is it Crazy ...if you think Unions.reg has been.the toughest over the years you may be the one who needs a shrink ....and I said a great team...always been a fan but facts are facts ....why the PERIOD ..you people try to argue over things that are obvious to all  .I often wonder what some of your goals are ?

With a little leg work  you could look it up.  I understand you like to shoot from the hip and not back anything up with facts.  I never said they had the toughest region.  Region 6 is the toughest year after year.   My goals are simple I'm always pulling for the team in UNION....That is the city of UNION.  HOME OF THE RAIDERS!!!

Top 25

Region 1 -4

Region 2-3

Region 3-0

Region 4-4

Region 5-3

Region 6-6

Region 7-3

Region 8-1

Just in case you have other questions about who returns I added the teams seniors and seniors that placed.  I only did the top 31 teams.

senior breakdown.pdf

I don’t think anyone argues region 6 is the top.  Region 1 has a LOT of young kids coming back next yr. should make it a little more interesting for sure. 

1 hour ago, LIONHEART said:

Four teams in top 25 ....Amazing ...how many teams in top 25.did each reg have ...and.how is it Crazy ...if you think Unions.reg has been.the toughest over the years you may be the one who needs a shrink ....and I said a great team...always been a fan but facts are facts ....why the PERIOD ..you people try to argue over things that are obvious to all  .I often wonder what some of your goals are ?

Facts don't matter to this guy... Annnnd it's a well known..

*insert response about how he or his kids are gods gift to Kentucky wrestling*

6 hours ago, LIONHEART said:

A great team from a weak reg ...its all in numbers that make it out.

?? Well that's a questionable call... 

While I got a little laugh out of this comment I think there were 5 kids in the finals and 7 placers. Personally I value a State Championship at the duels over individual state and find it odd that this seems to be more the title everyone holds as the standard for who's the best team. To me individual state should be about the individuals. That being said, Union won small school state and the challenge against the big school so to imply they won the individual state simply because they took more kids because they're in a weak region is kind of like... well..  who cares? They had the best team in the State. And that's not a cocky or arrogant statement, I feel like its a very hard working, confident and humble group of boys that for the most part I've seen nothing but respect for other schools and wrestlers. And other schools in that region like Christian County, Caldwell and McCracken look to be on the rise so I wouldn't ever call them weak, they've got some tuff boys.

I guess if you want to try and take anything away from how hard that team works day in and day out you'll just have to wrestle them for it

7 hours ago, LIONHEART said:

A great team from a weak reg ...its all in numbers that make it out.

I will say you are exactly right, it's all in the numbers that make it out. I believe Moore took the same number and also St X would have had the same number but their heavyweight got hurt or something? So I guess a few schools have weak regions??? I don't know, I didn't say it. But in Pennsylvania you could win the individual state tournament with 3 kids because no one was taking a dozen + kids so I know what you're saying. I just don't know why you'd have to state the obvious when I don't think anyone is wrestling in a "powerhouse" region where All the brackets are 5 or 6 studs deep in every bracket. Where are those regions?

Anyways. What I really wanted to comment on was point #2 like everyone else. I thought leaving all the mats down and not moving the finals mat to the middle was a very poor decision and gave it a very novice feel (though I have been to novice tournaments that took the time to do this) the time to should have been a spotlight moment for those kids and fans. Almost like those in charge had a basketball game to go to and didn't want to take the 15 minutes to get it done. Heck, I'm sure the coaches would have gladly done it themselves in 10 minutes. Whoever made that decision has no place running a tournament let alone the State tournament. 

One kid who was fun to watch was Blake Evans.  Man can that kid scrabble.  His match with Bacon in the semi's had one of the greatest scrabbles I have ever seen, lasted for about 45 seconds. 

4 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

One kid who was fun to watch was Blake Evans.  Man can that kid scrabble.  His match with Bacon in the semi's had one of the greatest scrabbles I have ever seen, lasted for about 45 seconds. 

Blake is a great and very hard working young man. Sad to see him graduate without a title, but what a great young man he is.

How Saul Ervin did not win MVW is beyond me.  1st round pins 7th place finisher Mejia (SK) 1:00, 2nd round pins 6th place finisher Pierce (SO)  0:32.  Quarters round pins 5th place finisher Davis (Larue) 1:44.  Semifinals majors 3rd place finisher Roth (WV) 15-4. Finals defeats 2nd place finisher Yost (Wood) 9-3.  Whew was that a gauntlet. 

Only on 138. Still going through the brackets. 

All of the original points in the original post are very valid. I'd like to add in to the "show" part of the finals. We need a hype man to not say, "this guy is ranked number 2", and say, " HERE COMES THE DEFENDING STATE CHAMP!!!! HES 46-1, with 37 pins!!! Finalists meet in the center under the spotlight and stare each other down while a paragraph long biography is read. 

It really needs to be streamed. I know we can get a crew in there to do it. 

What can we do to change any of this? Are there any people on the board here? 

On a positive note, the ice cream was selling like crazy! We had a blast. Looking forward to a better event next year. 

As I said a great team ...but they have won state titles in.the past imo because they  got higher seeds and more guys out because their reg comp was weaker ...I could say they are the best team I have seen in ky yr in and out over the last few years but it still doesnt change facts ...

You put this union team in any other region....how different would the results be.. not very different...

Nothing would change except we would take all 14 to state. 

I just can't imagine witnessing what Union Co. has done in the last decade and have anything but admiration and respect for their coaches, kids and parents. They're far and away the best program in the state. It's damn impressive and others should take note on what it takes to build a top program even when you're a small school in a geographically isolated area. 

18 hours ago, DrBaker said:

All of the original points in the original post are very valid. I'd like to add in to the "show" part of the finals. We need a hype man to not say, "this guy is ranked number 2", and say, " HERE COMES THE DEFENDING STATE CHAMP!!!! HES 46-1, with 37 pins!!! Finalists meet in the center under the spotlight and stare each other down while a paragraph long biography is read. 

It really needs to be streamed. I know we can get a crew in there to do it. 

What can we do to change any of this? Are there any people on the board here? 

On a positive note, the ice cream was selling like crazy! We had a blast. Looking forward to a better event next year. 

DrBaker - I'm pretty sure they could pay a little extra to stream it through trackwrestling.

12 hours ago, LIONHEART said:

As I said a great team ...but they have won state titles in.the past imo because they  got higher seeds and more guys out because their reg comp was weaker ...I could say they are the best team I have seen in ky yr in and out over the last few years but it still doesnt change facts ...

Just because you get a higher seed out of region doesn't mean you'll always get a good draw come state. How many times have we seen a top kid wrestle another top kid in the quarters or 2nd round? 

5 minutes ago, pin2win said:

DrBaker - I'm pretty sure they could pay a little extra to stream it through trackwrestling.

Just because you get a higher seed out of region doesn't mean you'll always get a good draw come state. How many times have we seen a top kid wrestle another top kid in the quarters or 2nd round? 

I'm sure us fans would be glad to pay to watch it, or help someway to make it happen. 

Union County is the best program in the state right now. Anyone to try and discount the run they have had and are still on is just nuts. Jealousy is a green eyed monster. Congrats Union County on a top notch program! 

25 minutes ago, Bluesdad said:

Union County is the best program in the state right now. Anyone to try and discount the run they have had and are still on is just nuts. Jealousy is a green eyed monster. Congrats Union County on a top notch program! 

Agreed. Union is the best right now. Closing the gap on team championships. I will say that there seems to be a team in Woodford Co that has gotten under estimated the past few years, but we keep finding a way to the top 2,3,4. I see a championship coming back to Versailles pretty soon! Keep grinding boys! Well done Union, you guys are a class act. 

6 minutes ago, Nike Man said:

Agreed. Union is the best right now. Closing the gap on team championships. I will say that there seems to be a team in Woodford Co that has gotten under estimated the past few years, but we keep finding a way to the top 2,3,4. I see a championship coming back to Versailles pretty soon! Keep grinding boys! Well done Union, you guys are a class act. 

I wasn’t trying to take anything away from any other program in the state. If it seems that way I apologize coach. Woodford is the all time best program in the state with Union the best right now. Any kid would be lucky to wrestle for either program. There’s a lot of great programs in the state. Johnson Central here out east. Woodford, St. X, in central Ky and Union our west. There are many other great programs but these seem to be the ones in the fore front right now. 

4 minutes ago, Bluesdad said:

I wasn’t trying to take anything away from any other program in the state. If it seems that way I apologize coach. Woodford is the all time best program in the state with Union the best right now. Any kid would be lucky to wrestle for either program. There’s a lot of great programs in the state. Johnson Central here out east. Woodford, St. X, in central Ky and Union our west. There are many other great programs but these seem to be the ones in the fore front right now. 

No sir. Didn’t take it like that at all. I was just piggy backing off of your compliment to Union.  Union was the best this year, hands down.  

On 2/18/2018 at 3:11 PM, grappler-of-old said:

How Saul Ervin did not win MVW is beyond me.  1st round pins 7th place finisher Mejia (SK) 1:00, 2nd round pins 6th place finisher Pierce (SO)  0:32.  Quarters round pins 5th place finisher Davis (Larue) 1:44.  Semifinals majors 3rd place finisher Roth (WV) 15-4. Finals defeats 2nd place finisher Yost (Wood) 9-3.  Whew was that a gauntlet. 

Only on 138. Still going through the brackets. 

Hard to argue with Johnson as well.

19 minutes ago, Josh_Claywell said:

Hard to argue with Johnson as well.

I said at soon as it was called that Johnson was a more than worthy participant. Johnson showed he was a rare talent that comes once in a generatuon

Too many deserving guys this year. You could also make a case for Cagen. Won it the finals with a pin. Won in what everyone was saying is the toughest weight class. Multiple time champ. He's done well for team KY. 

Tucker- undefeated, ranked number 1 2 years ago and blew his knee out. Rehabbed and got back into the tourney last year to lose early and come back through the wrestlebacks to pick up 3rd. Wrestling all year on a new acl and winning it is a big deal. Anyone with ACL surgery will tell you. 

Smallwood could make a case. He dominated all weekend even if the final score didn't show it. 

Pierce- he beat the unbeatable, nationally ranked HWT. 

Ryan Moore- untouchable and dominant

Mason Smith- unbeatable. Had a kid with national wins coming for him and it didn't phase him. Came out dominant and humble. 

Zane Brown- unbeatable and dominant. His might be next year. 

Damorean Travis- took out last years champ convincingly. Dominated through the tourney

Sam Grandstaff- completely dominant. His time will come.  

I’m about certain Pierce didn’t give up a point in all five matches. 

Bump

12 hours ago, CoachZ said:

I’m about certain Pierce didn’t give up a point in all five matches. 

It looks that way. That's very impressive. 

32 minutes ago, DrBaker said:

It looks that way. That's very impressive. 

Johnson Central may be a title threat next year

17 minutes ago, FalconWrestling said:

Johnson Central may be a title threat next year

JC will have 8-10 kids place next year with 4 of them having a real shot to win a state championship. Pierce, Horn, Horn, and Jackson. Should be a great season for JC next year. 

6 minutes ago, Bluesdad said:

JC will have 8-10 kids place next year with 4 of them having a real shot to win a state championship. Pierce, Horn, Horn, and Jackson. Should be a great season for JC next year. 

Will Blue Fletcher be on that team?

Just now, DrBaker said:

Will Blue Fletcher be on that team?

 

I don’t know yet where Blue will be next year. Still working on that lol. 

20 hours ago, DrBaker said:

I'm sure us fans would be glad to pay to watch it, or help someway to make it happen. 

The Khsaa has a TV Broadcat KHSAATV and a Youtube channel, They broadcast the Boys and Girls BB Final games. I'd even ask a common public broadcast channel to do it.

Other states do it. If we could get a School's Media class to do it as a project on a youtube channel or Livestream.

5 hours ago, DrBaker said:

Will Blue Fletcher be on that team?

 

He was spotted in Northern Kentucky the other day eating ice cream with Noah Duke and Cole Thomas.  I'm not sure what that means just saying.

23 minutes ago, Chris Duke said:

He was spotted in Northern Kentucky the other day eating ice cream with Noah Duke and Cole Thomas.  I'm not sure what that means just saying.

But what kind of ice cream was it???? 

1 hour ago, Bluesdad said:

But what kind of ice cream was it???? 

one with sprinkles...cause only winners get sprinkles

On 2/18/2018 at 3:11 PM, grappler-of-old said:

How Saul Ervin did not win MVW is beyond me.  1st round pins 7th place finisher Mejia (SK) 1:00, 2nd round pins 6th place finisher Pierce (SO)  0:32.  Quarters round pins 5th place finisher Davis (Larue) 1:44.  Semifinals majors 3rd place finisher Roth (WV) 15-4. Finals defeats 2nd place finisher Yost (Wood) 9-3.  Whew was that a gauntlet. 

Only on 138. Still going through the brackets. 

How many times has a champion defeated a placer every round?  Quite the trivia question there lol

12 minutes ago, Zeus said:

How many times has a champion defeated a placer every round?  Quite the trivia question there lol

In this 32 man bracket format, I don’t imagine it happening many times. I heard the Woodford section booing him after he won. Very classy. We were sitting just to the right of their section. 

I know in 1990 Hwt Danny Davis (Fort Knox) was 4th in his region.  Defeated Dion Washington 1st round (placed 5th).  Defeated Lamont Anderson (j-Town) 2nd round (placed 4th). Defeated Jimmy Newman (Camp Co) 3rd round (placed 3rd) Defeated Bob Vinigar  (Doss) in Finals (2nd place finisher). 

On a side note. Dion Washington lost the next year in the finals with Danny Davis (1991) Lost to Frank Wolnitzek (Holmes) in finals (1992), Then lost a 3rd time in the finals again to Frank Wolnitzek (Holmes) (1993) 

3 time runner up at HWT. 

26 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

I know in 1990 Hwt Danny Davis (Fort Knox) was 4th in his region.  Defeated Dion Washington 1st round (placed 5th).  Defeated Lamont Anderson (j-Town) 2nd round (placed 4th). Defeated Jimmy Newman (Camp Co) 3rd round (placed 3rd) Defeated Bob Vinigar  (Doss) in Finals (2nd place finisher). 

On a side note. Dion Washington lost the next year in the finals with Danny Davis (1991) Lost to Frank Wolnitzek (Holmes) in finals (1992), Then lost a 3rd time in the finals again to Frank Wolnitzek (Holmes) (1993) 

3 time runner up at HWT. 

Dion was a BIG dude. I will never forget when Woodford came to Cynthiana for a weeknight dual his freshman year. We were both overweight and ran together to make weight. Funny sight. Woodford heavy and Harrison 103 running together to cut weight. 

On 2/18/2018 at 0:17 PM, PABacon said:

 

 

6 hours ago, Bluesdad said:

But what kind of ice cream was it???? 

5 minutes ago, gameface said:

On 2/18/2018 at 0:17 PM, PABacon said:

 

 

ORANGE SHERBERT/VANILLA ICE CREAM with BLACK SPRINKLES!! Because winners get sprinkles!!

2 hours ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

In this 32 man bracket format, I don’t imagine it happening many times. I heard the Woodford section booing him after he won. Very classy. We were sitting just to the right of their section. 

Not to take sides, but I was standing above the Woodford section during the finals.  They were more booing the near fall points that were counted, but never given, in the second period.

3 hours ago, Zeus said:

How many times has a champion defeated a placer every round?  Quite the trivia question there lol

Not every round but Bryce Sheffer beat 4th , 3rd ,2nd place guys as Freshmen . 

4th mason smith by pin

3rd Jorge Vega returning state champ

11-1

2nd Hernandez returning state finalist 

13-3 

Has anyone compiled Region by region placers?

2 hours ago, mommaswatching said:

Has anyone compiled Region by region placers?

It's under the ranger report

10 hours ago, Zeus said:

Not to take sides, but I was standing above the Woodford section during the finals.  They were more booing the near fall points that were counted, but never given, in the second period.

For reference here is the picture I was shown. No back points awarded. Guess Woodford fans disagreed and let the ref hear it.  Nothing but respect for Saul. He's a great wrestler who exhibited nothing but exemplary sportsmanship his entire career. Best of luck to him at SIUE.

12 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

Dion was a BIG dude. I will never forget when Woodford came to Cynthiana for a weeknight dual his freshman year. We were both overweight and ran together to make weight. Funny sight. Woodford heavy and Harrison 103 running together to cut weight. 

That's because was just a Beast. Off the mat a big teddy bear. Still our only HS State champ. but hopefully he will have company soon.

On 2/20/2018 at 8:30 AM, Bluesdad said:

I don’t know yet where Blue will be next year. Still working on that lol. 

Whats the going rate of a free agent these days? lol

5 minutes ago, DrBaker said:

Whats the going rate of a free agent these days? lol

 

Superman ice cream with black sprinkles it looks like lol. 

7 minutes ago, Bluesdad said:

Superman ice cream with black sprinkles it looks like lol. 

Superman wore Columbia Blue and Red and actually fought with a Tomahawk. LOL!!

15 minutes ago, Bluesdad said:

Superman ice cream with black sprinkles it looks like lol. 

I just did a Google search and Morganfield, Ky has the most Superman ice cream in the sate. Just saying. 

3 hours ago, CradleKY said:

For reference here is the picture I was shown. No back points awarded. Guess Woodford fans disagreed and let the ref hear it.  Nothing but respect for Saul. He's a great wrestler who exhibited nothing but exemplary sportsmanship his entire career. Best of luck to him at SIUE.

 

 

Thanks for the clarification. I didn’t understand the booing. Say Chase gets two backpoints there, it’s still a 9-5 match at the end. 

Agreed it doesn't change match results and Saul was better wrestler but I don't think fans think that rationally in the heat of the match.  I'm sure Chase will only use it as more fuel to stoke his fire for next season. Just like Saul did with his loss two years ago in the finals. 

3 hours ago, Bluesdad said:

Superman ice cream with black sprinkles it looks like lol. 

Graeters Ice Cream HQ is located across from NKY/Ryle and UDF is right down the road. Duke drives by Graeters Daily to work and picks up Superman everyday!! Ohh and we bought the sprinkle factory!

16 minutes ago, CradleKY said:

Agreed it doesn't change match results and Saul was better wrestler but I don't think fans think that rationally in the heat of the match.  I'm sure Chase will only use it as more fuel to stoke his fire for next season. Just like Saul did with his loss two years ago in the finals. 

Doesn't change the final score, but it definitely changed the pace of the match.  At a minimum should have been awarded 2, and no whistle blown to stop the match.....  That no call and stalemate call changed the landscape.  I believe there was approx 30 or so seconds left, and instead of nearfall, he lost a point by giving up an escape.

Not to say Saul still wouldn't have won either.  Just my two cents....

16 minutes ago, gameface said:

Graeters Ice Cream HQ is located across from NKY/Ryle and UDF is right down the road. Duke drives by Graeters Daily to work and picks up Superman everyday!! Ohh and we bought the sprinkle factory!

That’s about as good as it gets lol. 

Omg.  Who cares about ice cream. Start a new thread. 

33 minutes ago, enthusiast said:

Omg.  Who cares about ice cream. Start a new thread. 

Would you prefer a snickers?  sounds like someone needs one.

On 2/20/2018 at 1:51 PM, Chris Duke said:

He was spotted in Northern Kentucky the other day eating ice cream with Noah Duke and Cole Thomas.  I'm not sure what that means just saying.

Ice cream!?!?!?  Oh my goodness!!  Where is their dedication?  Smh

I kinda like Whatchamecallit

OK I have a question?  During my scanning over the state tournament and trying to update my records of state placers from every team I noticed something. 

I want to make it clear that I am not trying to throw anyone or any team under the bus but just want to get the record strait. I see that Trinity's Hwt was ejected (words used on trackwrestling).  Now if a wrestler is ejected all of the team points earned by that individual should be forfeited from the team. This individual scored 7 team points for Trinity yet they were not removed from their team score. 3 points were removed for the Flagrant misconduct or combination of events (it does not specify), but not all 7 points earned. 

Am I missing something?  i'm not looking for what exactly happened just wondering why all points were not removed.  

In my best Joey Lawrence voice, Whoa! 

2 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

OK I have a question?  During my scanning over the state tournament and trying to update my records of state placers from every team I noticed something. 

I want to make it clear that I am not trying to throw anyone or any team under the bus but just want to get the record strait. I see that Trinity's Hwt was ejected (words used on trackwrestling).  Now if a wrestler is ejected all of the team points earned by that individual should be forfeited from the team. This individual scored 7 team points for Trinity yet they were not removed from their team score. 3 points were removed for the Flagrant misconduct or combination of events (it does not specify), but not all 7 points earned. 

Am I missing something?  i'm not looking for what exactly happened just wondering why all points were not removed.  

4 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

OK I have a question?  During my scanning over the state tournament and trying to update my records of state placers from every team I noticed something. 

I want to make it clear that I am not trying to throw anyone or any team under the bus but just want to get the record strait. I see that Trinity's Hwt was ejected (words used on trackwrestling).  Now if a wrestler is ejected all of the team points earned by that individual should be forfeited from the team. This individual scored 7 team points for Trinity yet they were not removed from their team score. 3 points were removed for the Flagrant misconduct or combination of events (it does not specify), but not all 7 points earned. 

Am I missing something?  i'm not looking for what exactly happened just wondering why all points were not removed.  

I wondered the same thing. I was told he was ejected as well.

On 2/21/2018 at 0:33 PM, ukpridewrestler11 said:

Thanks for the clarification. I didn’t understand the booing. Say Chase gets two backpoints there, it’s still a 9-5 match at the end. 

Can't just dismiss two points in a state finals match. I dont remember the exact score when this happened, but we all on this thread know that 2 points can change the entire landscape of a match. Again I dont remember the exact score, but if its 3-1 and he doesnt get his 2 in the second period, Saul gets an escape to start the third now its 4-1 and Chase has to start going crazy and expose himself. These things do matter. 

*disclaimer im from Louisville and have zero dog in the fight*

What was he ejected for ?

Ok I've been trying and failing to clear those quotes for awhile but for some reason it won't let me

I know why the wrestler was ejected, I witnessed it, I will say that the situation was handled properly and that includes how his coaches treated the situation. The wrestler was a first year wrestler and while I don't want to say that excuses his actions it does provide some context. It was an after the match event that occurred involving unsportsmanlike actions by the wrestler in question.

Now the real issue is that these points were not properly deducted from the team score per my interpretation of the rules. Of course in the end it had little say on the team race, we would hope such issues don't arise in the future

On 2/19/2018 at 5:09 PM, Josh_Claywell said:

6 hours ago, tja said:

 

10 hours ago, halfhalfhalf said:

 

I remember Jordon Whiting getting some penalties after a heated match. Someone was basically thrown into the scorers table. This was at the dungeon in front of our stands. Is this who y’all are talking about? 

8 hours ago, tja said:

What was he ejected for ?

His last match was against Roberts from Oldham County.  It went into overtime, and he ended up losing.  After the match, for whatever reason, he didn’t shake hands with Roberts, and when the ref said something to him as he was walking away, I’m guessing he said something back that was inappropriate.  Not sure what he said, and it wasn’t clearly obvious what happened, beyond his refusal to shake hands. Whatever it was, the ref tossed him pretty quickly.

Is it in the rules that you must shake hands? Not that I don't think there is ever case where you shouldn't and we certainly enforce that our kids do. Just wondering?

I saw a few instances of hands not being shaken 

yes its part of end of match procedure

36 minutes ago, heavy83 said:

yes its part of end of match procedure

 

Just the wrestlers? Isn't the coach optional?

1 hour ago, Alf said:

Is it in the rules that you must shake hands? Not that I don't think there is ever case where you shouldn't and we certainly enforce that our kids do. Just wondering?

Again, I don't think it was the not shaking hands that got him tossed.  I think he said something to the ref when the ref asked him to come back to the center of the mat for the after match stuff (shaking hands. raising the winners arm).  I've seen kids get hit for team points for not shaking hands, but never an ejection.  I've seen that wrestler lose his cool before.  He launched his headgear to the top row of the stands after losing a close match at the Dragon because of multiple issues with his headgear, which probably warranted an ejection.  However, the ref didn't see the headgear throw and he got away with it.  

I am pretty sure that shaking hands with your opponent before and after the match is required.  I don't think shaking hands with the opposing coach is.  

Once again I am really not concerned about what happened I trust the Trinity staff to handle the situation properly.  I was just wondering about the team points not being forfeited?  This could/may set a precedent for future tournaments.  Maybe it was entered into track incorrectly I don't know.  

32 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

Once again I am really not concerned about what happened I trust the Trinity staff to handle the situation properly.  I was just wondering about the team points not being forfeited?  This could/may set a precedent for future tournaments.  Maybe it was entered into track incorrectly I don't know.  

I've never had to deal with that situation in Track.  The ejections I've encountered have come across, occurred in dual tournaments.The deduction of team points is manual in track in any situation.  So I'm guessing, removing the points the ejected wrestler scored would have to be done manually as well.  And I'm not sure how you do that after the bout has been entered without changing the winner.  And quite honestly, I wasn't aware that an ejection in a tournament required the removal of any team points that wrestler scored prior to the ejection.  To me that would be like removing any points a player scored in a basketball game (or any other sport) after he was ejected.

14 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:

  To me that would be like removing any points a player scored in a basketball game (or any other sport) after he was ejected.

Not the same.  In team sports you affect the teams win/loss record.  In an individual tournament like wrestling (Unless it is a dual tournament) it only affects the placement of the team in the tourney.  

1 minute ago, grappler-of-old said:

Not the same.  In team sports you affect the teams win/loss record.  In an individual tournament like wrestling (Unless it is a dual tournament) it only affects the placement of the team in the tourney.  

I guess.  It just seems weird to me that you'd remove points scored from a previous round due to an ejection.  

I personally like the rule because it puts more responsibility of the wrestler to keep his cool and control themselves or hurt the team possibly badly. 

The punishment is raised by the ability of the wrestler.  A 1st year not very talented kid who gets kicked out may not lose any additional points, but your captain or best wrestler (who should be in more control) may loose a much greater amount of points.  

OK you squirreled me.  I am off track. LOL

On track, you must manually go in and take the points, I did this at region.  You have to get individual point total , plus the 3 pts, then adjust it. There is a box when u run track that says adjust team points. You do -points, then put a reason in comment box

Been told that Mike Barren has been made aware of the issue with the score and will look into it after state swimming and diving meet

18 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

I personally like the rule because it puts more responsibility of the wrestler to keep his cool and control themselves or hurt the team possibly badly. 

The punishment is raised by the ability of the wrestler.  A 1st year not very talented kid who gets kicked out may not lose any additional points, but your captain or best wrestler (who should be in more control) may loose a much greater amount of points.  

I'm not questioning, or saying the rule isn't fair or needs to be changed.  I'm fine with the rule.  Just saying it seems odd.

18 minutes ago, coachteater said:

On track, you must manually go in and take the points, I did this at region.  You have to get individual point total , plus the 3 pts, then adjust it. There is a box when u run track that says adjust team points. You do -points, then put a reason in comment box

That makes sense.  Again, I've never encountered the situation in an individual tourney.  It's good to know for future tourneys I'm sure I'll be running.