Do you think there are any divison 1 prospects in this years senior class?

There was this old forum,people had said there was no D-1 material in Kentucky that could hang with Ohio D-1 so I'm guessing there isnt any if they thought that about this year......

But I think there are some D-1 material this year,alot graduated

But Dale Stone

Richard Starks

Taylor Sherer

Jacob Murton

maybe Derek Scott and Joey Sanders

I would love to see Rusty Parks develop on the college level anywhere tho!

But in that class who did we decide was the D-1 material in the 2005 senior class????

Kyle Ruschell, Ryle - Wisconsin

Jarius Murton, Lawrence County, going to Campbellsville U was listed in the Intermat top 100 prospects. I think that should qualify him as DI material.

Jordan Lewis, Ballard - Campbellsville U. I think he had some DI options.

Did I miss someone?

Marcus Bradbury with alittle more training he's at Cumberland College Wrestling

Robert Smith who has just been recruited by Campbellsville Wrestling,has some material and had options open I heard

Max Ervin-if he wouldve tried

Neil Cooper

Starks definitely is and also Murton , no offense to anybody else im probably just forgettting somebody.

Murton, Starks and Sherer are all D-1 material. Probably in that order. If they want, they'll find scholarships somewhere.....

If Starks is D1 material, then there's a couple other guys from this year that are. He didn't run away with state, he did win it though of course. Wenninger and Robinson wrestled him close in the quarters and semis (5-2, 4-2). And Kevin Orth had beaten Robinson as well at regions, he just didn't look to be at his best against Starks in the finals. Of course wrestling a very good wrestler under that pressure can do that to you.

I don't know he was a heads and shoulders above everyone else last year, but he got the job done.

Now, now. Let's go over his resume....he will be a three time state champ, runner-up as a freshman. Probably only lost 3 or 4 times in state his whole career. I don't think any last year. Not to mention he weighed around 180 last year, going 189 to help his team.....next year he will be a true 189.

If that resume is not D-1 material, then not many is in this state is. Love him or hate him, he just wins. And that's the name of the game.

I didn't say he wasn't, i said if he was, the other guys were. And state was no fluke, Robinson only lost to him by one another time earlier in the year.

Its a nice resume, something to be proud of. Not Murton level, but impressive. I heard Starks got stomped and then pinned in some Ohio meet. Murton wouldn't have had that happen.

I neither love or hate Starks. I don't know him.

I think a number of seniors this year could be D1 prospects.

But to really get the interest of D1 schools they need to be placing at some of the bigger out o season tournaments. The big difference between D1 and other divisions in the case of Kentucky wrestlers is out of season results. I dont think many KY kids are being recruited by D1 based on their high school career. I think it has more to do with how they fare at some of the big national tournaments, NHSCA and USAW Nationals.

Your exactly right eville dad. If any of these prospects want D 1 scholarships they will have to wrestle and place high in national tournaments. Colleges want to see what these guys can do against national talent.

Yep, i completely agree. Look at Ruschelle, he did well at 'Beast of the East' and Senior nationals and look at what happened. He got his ride to a big time school. He was only a two time champion as well, so that lends credibility to you guys saying being a 3 or 4 timer isn't the only deciding factor in the minds of D1 recruiters.

Your in state resume is nice, however there's gonna be plenty of other animals out there from other states with similar credentials. How do you differentiate yourself from them, also when you come from a state that doesn't get alot of respect at a national level ? You have to put up against them too.

And i'm not saying whether that lack of respect is fair or not, i'm just saying a bias probably exists and i don't necessarily share that view.

I agree with you guys about wrestling out of state to differentiate yourself. You also have to consider that there are no D-1 schools in our state that have wrestling programs. So anyone going D-1 from our state has to be that much better, since it will take more scholarship money for schools to recruit out of state kids.

I think Starks is a winner, period. I watched his finals match at state and I believe that was his A-game. He seemed to be wrestling more relaxed in the finals than he did the whole tournament. If he had been like that since the first round, none of those other guys would have hung with him.....IMHO. He has to feel the weight of the world on his shoulders:

1) top program in the state (as much as it pains me to admit it)

2) top wrestler on the top program

3) wrestling for an individual title & team title....

Also, I thought he looked like a small 189 lber last year. He also looked smallish for a 189 lber at the BGSG....if it's true that he weighed 180 last year, he's a certified beast!

He and a couple of other WC guys are unlike other wrestlers ive seen as that the longer the match goes, the more energy they get , not tiring out but just building up.

I can write that match Starks had where he got pinned in Ohio off as being small for a 189 pounder. I didn't see the match or know who the guy was. But, i've seen one of the top Ohio 189's wrestle, that guy was a monster !!! I mean seriously, he had to have worn a rubber suit to make weight (i don't know that, just talking it up) ... that guy was a jacked up freak !

So i can see the size maybe doing him in over there, but if he bulks up some more it would be interesting.

ridge215 if you are jason hardon i think u have a chance to get a scholly somewere.

lets just face it, with the exception of murton there are no other division 1 prospects in kentucky, not even division 2 for that matter... You can talk up starks all you want but let me remind you something... Does anyone remember brad cooper?? 3x state champ, runner up... similar to starks but clearly more dominating and where did he end up???? Some one tell me please??? I think it was cumberland a NAIA school.... So unless starks and shearer dominate at senior nationals they will not get any division 1 or 2 offers and thats just the way it is cause a HASBEEN SAID SO!

:twisted: just cause brad cooper ended up at a naia school doesnt mean anything that was his decision. Also did you forget about taylor Sherer. he is definatly a division 1 wrestler.

With the exception of maybe basketball kentucky sports arent given enought respect throughout the country cause the competition level isnt as high here as it is in states bordering us... Starks, and shearer are very good in KENTUCKY! but that kentucky... Shearer went 1-2 i believe in junior nationals ( thats hearsay, so dont come down hard on me) and that didnt even showcase the best juniors out there cause it was a new tournament, and you guys say hes a division 1 prospect?? Hes a great wrestler, way better than i ever was but he and starks just wont cut it at that competitive of a level... I would love to be wrong and see those guys wrestle for ISU or OSU, but it aint going to happen.. Now back to brad cooper, clearly with him, knable, ruschell and the murtons they are the best to have hit kentucky in the past 6 or 7 years... And two of the four are going to NAIA colleges, ruschell is wrestling in wisconsin due to his stealar performance at senior nationals and with out that he might not have gone to a division 2 or 3 school, and knable went to IU who's team has been near the bottem in the big 10 for 10 years now!

Starks i feel peaked early, thus allowing him the chance to win 3 state titles... But skill wise, and dominating wise he's nowhere close to what cooper or murton was and both going to smaller schools. and thats just the way it is cause a HASBEEN SAID SO!

hasbeen - you can't compare skill levels of a 189 lber and a 135 lber....lighter weights will almost always have more flash and finesse....starks is 1 heck of a good wrestler....if he wants to be D1, he needs to do well at Sr nationals or some other big national tournament and he'll have D1 opportunities, i believe he can....

as for cooper, if he had grown up in Ohio, he would have been D1 no doubt...not because he would have been a better wrestler, maybe he would have, maybe he wouldn't have...but because he would not have been considered out of state....there are no D1 schools in Ky with wrestling programs compared to Ohio who probably has 5 or 6 programs. So a Kentucky kid will always have to be exceptionally good such as Ruschell to get serious D1 looks since they will always have to pay out of state tuition.

pioneer_pride,

I Agree, plus our kids have to go wrestle the Beast of the East, Fargo's, Junior and Senior Nationals [placing] to get the D-1 exposure.

Just winning the KY state Championship isn't going to get them anywhere :roll:

Just a thought.

pioneer_pride' date='

I Agree, plus our kids have to go wrestle the Beast of the East, Fargo's, Junior and Senior Nationals [b'][placing] to get the D-1 exposure.

Just winning the KY state Championship isn't going to get them anywhere :roll:

Just a thought.

Yeah you could be a 4 time state champ here, but if you do horrible at those tournaments you won't even have a chance at a scholarship..

This is how i look at it. In kentucky, we have ALOT of good athletes and alot of GOOD wrestlers and of course there are always going to be the 5 or 10 percent that are just that much better than everyone else. This is what starks and just about every other one of your "D1" prospects minus murton.

Also who cares if they were underweight im sure they know that and if they use it as an excuse thats thier problem. But Starks is an outstanding wrestler in my eyes in kentucky but I dont for see him being as sucessful as rucshell. just a piece of my brain.

I believe if given the opportunity at d1 some kentucky wrestlers could excell .When faced with great competion in the practice room ,with great coaching they would improve drastically.KENTUCKY would catch up fast.

I think a great goal for Ky wrestling would be making the top 20 states at nationals and then go from there. Ky is the 25th most populous state, so finishing anything above 25th could be written off as a result of hard work and a growing tradition. Kind of like the 130 pound wrestler that can bench a 225 max. He's never gonna outlift a 189 pounder, but pound for pound he's outrageously strong.

Don't forget, Ohio is the 7th most populous state. Pennsylvania is 6th, and Michigan is 8th. All powerhouse states. Catching them is unrealistic no matter how much work and tradition goes into it due to sheer population difference. That is, if a kid has a 1% chance of being a good wrestler, multiplying that by the larger population yields more good wrestlers. So, no matter what Ky is at a disadvantage there. But it does have its standouts nonetheless, look at Ruschelle.

Don't knock on Ky wrestling, pound for pound as i put it, its coming along. And i agree with you Rambo, a lot of improvement would happen if they had the chance to wrestle D1 guys more often. But right now they don't get that opportunity, so i can't classify them as D1 material.

I'm not dogging kentucky wrestling, but you guys are just so stubern to not see whats right in front of you... Honestly how many of you have gone to senior nationals with in the past 5 years? How many of you have gone to not only the state tournament but districs and sectional tournaments in ohio? How many of you have been to fargo? I have been to these tournaments so i for once know what the heck im talking about... I have family that wrestles in both ohio and wisconsin and seeing all of that talent and wrestlers who i thought could've gone d1 and dont... makes me realize that our great wrestlers arent great outside of the state. Starks is good really good and so are the others mentioned but i just dont see them going to d1 UNLESS, UNLESS...he places at one of those tournament mentioned above... Ya'll can say what you want but im entitled to my opinion and thats just how it is cause a HASBEEN said so....

hasbeen,

If you read my post closely i'm agreeing with you, but being diplomatic at the same time. I felt i was pretty even handed there.

Unless that remark wasn't intended for me.

grapplinfan, none of my comments have been intended for you, i know that you agree with me and i might be too upfront about it and definently not diplomatic but i just have seen a lot of wrestling and i have an opinion and i'm entitled to that opinion... and thats the way it is cause a HASBEEN said so!

Good deal. It always takes a strong personality to get a good conversation started anyway. Otherwise, its just a bunch of giving each other high fives. And thats not always the most constructive thing !

If you want any sort of scholarship you have to compete in national tournys. D1 schools look at what you do out of state. For instance a wrestle who goes 100-50 in his high school career but places at a few national tournaments is definetly gonna go D1 before a guy who is 200-0 but never competed out of state.

if a guy is 200-0 i see it very unlikely for him to not of wrestled out of state, how many guys do you think are in one weight class in a state?

but ya i see your point. and it also depends who the 50 people are the wrestler lost too.

I'm not dogging kentucky wrestling, but you guys are just so stubern to not see whats right in front of you... Honestly how many of you have gone to senior nationals with in the past 5 years? How many of you have gone to not only the state tournament but districs and sectional tournaments in ohio? How many of you have been to fargo? I have been to these tournaments so i for once know what the heck im talking about... I have family that wrestles in both ohio and wisconsin and seeing all of that talent and wrestlers who i thought could've gone d1 and dont... makes me realize that our great wrestlers arent great outside of the state. Starks is good really good and so are the others mentioned but i just dont see them going to d1 UNLESS, UNLESS...he places at one of those tournament mentioned above... Ya'll can say what you want but im entitled to my opinion and thats just how it is cause a HASBEEN said so....

Hasbeen - it's been a while since i read this thread....i know you're not dogging Kentucky, but don't hype up senior nationals too much....we've had guys from kentucky place there that weren't considered the "Kyle Ruschelle" of their senior class. I say that as in being someone who clearly stands out from the croud. I don't want to insult some former wrestlers, but we've had guys from Kentucky go there that were very good wrestlers, but not super-stars even by Kentucky standards, and have placed. Our guys can compete there. If starks trains hard, and gets to the right weight class.....i believe he could place there. He's got access to some great coaches. If he wants to wrestle D1, he can do it. Jr Nationals is another story in my opinion....we don't wrestle enough greco & freestyle in this state. We'll never shine at Fargo until we do that.

Now about the Ohio thing....once again, don't hype them up too much. Yes, we've all heard of stories of Ohio placers pinning our state champs, etc...and we know about the super star guys in Ohio such as the Schlaters. But every once in a while, probably more often than you'd think....we have a guy or 2 that could beat an Ohio state champ. Not trying to start this tired old argument back up....but it's not as bad as you think...and the future looks very bright! HALF THE BATTLE IS MENTAL.... Ohio kids BELEIVE they are the best in the country....ask them, they'll tell you! Our guys gotta start believing that too.

Great post pioneer-pride, I agree completely, especially about the battle being mental. That's what it's all about in college.

Thanks....i hope some of our guys take it to heart. This is very much a mental sport, and Ohio guys just have it in their head that they won't/can't lose to a Kentucky guy. That's a HUGE advantage. Our guys gotta stop thinking they can't hang with Ohio & other big wrestling states.

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man.. im glad u edited that..

Taylor Sherer was nationally ranked last year so he is D1 material.Murton is (also mentioned) by win magazine so he could be D1 material also....

As far as how Ky stacks up against Ohio all I have to say is the Murtons. Maybe someone could correct me here, but one of the Murtons placed fifth at the Ohio state tourney as a freshmen. They move to Ky and dominate.

Couldn't have been said better ref dad. I wouldn't really count the Murtons for Ky because they moved here. All i'm saying is they didn't wrestle start to finish here ... thats all.

Grapplinfan. Thats exactly what I mean. They were brought up in the sport elsewhere and the move here into their highschool career and are dominating. My hope is that one day (maybe when my two sons have sons in middle or high school) we will be able to compete with our neighboring states on the same level.

refdad,

I dont think it has as much as what state they came from as to what kind of athletes they are and the training they have received. Just because someone comes from out of state doesnt automatically qualify them as a contender for state champ. The fact that Jacob finished 5th as a freshman should tell you something. Its not like an average wrestler from Ohio showed up in KY and was overnight dominating KY. Ohio kids get beat just like anyone else, good wrestlers are good wrestlers whether they are from OH or KY.

:twisted: eville dad your right but you probably wont see the same type of training down here as you would up in ohio and thats the difference.

I disagree, our better programs train very effectively and probably use some of the same methods that are used in their better programs. Ky has good and bad programs as does Ohio. We have some very dedicated coaches who have wrestled and trained all over the country and utilize the best concepts from all over.

I agree Ohio is a good state for wrestling, but KY can, does and has had good wrestlers too!

the biggest advantage Oh has is sheer numbers. they have youth leagues all over the state that have thousands of wrestlers in them www.cyw.org (cincinnati youth wrestling league). last i heard, this league has between 2-3000 wrestlers, some of them starting in the first grade. when you have a team like lakota that can fill their varsity lineup with juniors & seniors most of them with 7+ years wrestling experience...year in and year out...then look at that all across the state of Oh, of course they are better overall than us.

But occassionally we have guys who can beat or at least hang with their state champs. good athletes in the right programs here (ruschelle, shearer, starks, murtons) these guys could hang or beat some of Ohio's state champs - IMHO.

Sheer numbers and the popularity of the sport are key. Here you may have a child that will wrestle during the season and go to 4 or 5 tournaments a summer and practice 1 time a week during the summer. That would be considered very active in KY and if the child started in the first grade and did this every year then they would indeed be very experienced by the time they reached High School. I read somewhere one time that in Indiana (not to mention OH or other big wrestling states) that it was common for Elementary age kids to wrestle a big tournament just about every weekend of the year and go to 2 or 3 dual meets a week! Take that same child wrestling from the 1st grade to High School and there's your big difference in experience.

I think a big tournament and 2-3 duals a week year round is stretching it a little, thats like the kid who practiced in his sleep, sounds like an urban legend, wrestling style, haha!

I dont there are any tourneys in IN or Ohio right now.

I cant think of any until Fall TofC in Oct.

If you know of any please let us know, we would like to go.

My whole point about this thing isnt what state you are from. plee's comments are exactly right. In other states kids start at the elementry school age and belong to clubs. These clubs practice two or three nights a week and go to a tournament EVERY weekend from October all the way thru till the T.O.F.C .. By the time these kids get to the middle school age they have had countless hours of mat time , drilling and live wrestling. I want Ky to be able to compete with other states but we have to increase the numbers of kids and schools that are involved in the sport.

I think a big tournament and 2-3 duals a week year round is stretching it a little' date=' thats like the kid who practiced in his sleep, sounds like an urban legend, wrestling style, haha!

I dont there are any tourneys in IN or Ohio right now.

I cant think of any until Fall TofC in Oct.

If you know of any please let us know, we would like to go.[/quote']

I read it on the internet, so it has to be true.

I think the thing we need to keep in mind is we are definitely heading in the right direction. m.s. wrestling is growing, last year there was a youth state championship with a great turn out....i think youth wrestling clubs will start sprouting up everywhere there's h.s. programs soon. All of this just raises the bar for our state. It's just going to take time. In my opinion very soon you'll RARELY if ever see a h.s. state champion that didn't wrestle from m.s. on. Guys that start in the 9th grade will be just too far behind to catch up. This is a great sign for Ky IMHO.

I think the thing we need to keep in mind is we are definitely heading in the right direction. m.s. wrestling is growing' date=' last year there was a youth state championship with a great turn out....i think youth wrestling clubs will start sprouting up everywhere there's h.s. programs soon. All of this just raises the bar for our state. It's just going to take time. In my opinion very soon you'll RARELY if ever see a h.s. state champion that didn't wrestle from m.s. on. Guys that start in the 9th grade will be just too far behind to catch up. This is a great sign for Ky IMHO.[/quote']

couldnt agree with you more

no body this year could go to a d1 school excpet for murton, but it all depends on how you do in nationals...also, a lot of kids could go to d1 schools that were excellent in ky but the fact that grades are important in considering scholarships and ACT's...some kids dont qualify for scholarships so they go to smaller schools...i guarantee some d2 or d3 wrestlers could do very well against d1 wrestlers....just because you have the title of a d1 athlete doesn't mean that a d2 or d3 athlete can't beat them....for instance this is off subject though..if im correct Mark Brunell didn't play high school football or college football and he was an outsatnding QB in the NFL, but thats quite different

is there even a d3? i get your point though, and yeah in some cases your right. it also comes down to money and scholarships.

no body this year could go to a d1 school excpet for murton' date=' but it all depends on how you do in nationals...also, a lot of kids could go to d1 schools that were excellent in ky but the fact that grades are important in considering scholarships and ACT's...some kids dont qualify for scholarships so they go to smaller schools...i guarantee some d2 or d3 wrestlers could do very well against d1 wrestlers....just because you have the title of a d1 athlete doesn't mean that a d2 or d3 athlete can't beat them....for instance this is off subject though..if im correct Mark Brunell didn't play high school football or college football and he was an outsatnding QB in the NFL, but thats quite different[/quote']

id say starks could deffinetly go d1, no doubt.

Ole BadAzz has a point actually, look at UC's basketball program of former Junior College players. Well, thats over now that they got rid of Huggins (thank god, i hate that guy) ... but like or hate the attitude of the UC players they went to a Junior College basically because they couldn't test well enough for anything else academically. Which is part of the reason huggins got fired, helping morons into a university trying to up its academic standards. But when it came to raw basketball talent they were good, like the D2 guys in wrestling that exist out there that BadAzz is talking about.

However, for the most part its simply because the D1 guys are the premier atheletes is why they're not in D2, not smarts or finances.

One more note, i don't like UC in the least ... but i set that aside because they were a good example of what he was talking about. Do you guys in Lexington dislike them in basketball as much as the guys up here in Northern Ky ? Because thats a huge rivalry between them and UK here even though they rarely ever play. I'm thinking its being a Cincy suburb but located in Ky responsible for that.

Recruiting in wrestling is alot like any other sport, the high school season doesnt have the importance it used to have. Its like any other sport (except football) the recruiting is done during the "Open Season". Thats when coaches can really get out and watch kids compete against one another on a national scale, which is what recruiting is all about, trying to lure the best kids (athletically and academically) to their school. Its not about raw talent its about getting the kids most likely to succeed on the mat and in the class room to their schools. They all have limited monies available to invest, so its a calculated risk on their investment.

Full rides are very rare, consider the fact that schools charge $15K-$30K for a year of tuition depending on the school and then theres housing, food, etc...... A four year full ride is a big total investment, you do the math 4 X $. Coaches are judged not just on wins and losses but also on how the limited monies available are allocated which usually reflects heavily in their wins and losses.

I have rambled, but my point is this, some of the KY kids will undoubtedly recieve offers from all types of schools, but mostly they will be partial offers that will not enable the kids to realistically consider the school because of the overall expenses associated with a college education.

This is even more of an issue with KY kids because they are forced with out of state tuition rates because their are no D1 schools in KY offering wrestling.

To the guy calling JC kids at Cincy "MORONS", how bout a reality check! These kids are just trying to survive. Alot of these kids didnt have alot to begin with, so for them to play at a D1 is awesome. If UC didnt like the money from basketball they would have changed a long time ago. If you had a chance to play at a big time school for a big time coach who has turned out quite a few millionaires in his career, what would you do. Alot of those kids are making good money and have a stable life because of the time Huggins gave them at UC. They may not have graduated but they have the experience and that can be all the difference for alot of these kids.

It can happen for KY kids, and I hope they all get opportunities to further their wrestling career in college. But they really need to hit the books hard and attend off season nationals to get the most recognition.

Some of these kids trying to survive that Huggins picked ... did the following. One punched a Cincinnati police horse in the face, one tied a guy up and scalded him with hot metal wires and threw weights at his head, another got picked up for DUI (so did Huggins actually), it goes on and on, and few graduated. If they didn't have the skills to graduate, its probably because they goofed off in high school. Public school is free, nothing elitist about that.

The reality is, Huggins picked mostly idiots and UC finally did something about it. Some of them weren't, i liked Van Exel and Martin, some of them were. They fired him, not me. I don't think anyone would defend the guys i brought up. I don't call that trying to survive. Surviving on UC's campus requires going to class and practicing hard, then getting to the pros and helping out your family. Or, if you're not good enough for pro sports, getting your education and getting a job to help your family and yourself. Not playing the fool.

My point was simply that these guys didn't make the grade academically, obviously, but were still astounding atheletes and hence ended up JuCo. I felt UC's on court success was a good illustration of this. The vast majority of D2 and Ju Co atheletes have better integrity, and there are atheletes among them that are overlooked. And its not always from their grades, several D2 schools have fine academic credentials. Some come up a little short on ACT scores and money, so hence they also go D2 or Ju Co .... but at least those guys tried. And thats commendable and worthy of respect. Places like Duke require atheletes to be premier students too, and thats not always practical. But, at least most of those guys in D2 or JuCo are doing what they can with what they have to the best of their ability in the classroom. Because the vast majority of guys never go pro.

I got to rambling there prviously too eville dad, i wish i had focused my previous post better !

Grapplin,

Good post, points well taken. I just dont like to hear kids called names when it only applies to the few and not the majority who are trying to better themselves through participation or graduation.

I also want to point out that alot of D2 and smaller schools are better academically than the larger D1 schools. Many of the D2, D3 schools are private schools with much higher standards than the large D1 schools with 10,000+ students. Many kids actually prefer the smaller schools because of the lower professor to student ratios and unique aspects smaller schools can provide versus the larger campuses where kids can easily get lost in the crowd. Some athletes actually prefer the smaller D2/D3 campuses and elect to attend those schools by choice not because they cant get accepted at D1. This is especially true in KY for wrestling where the only programs are good quality schools but not D1.

not to dog on my boy starks....he is not D1 material....u might ask him that and ask him what his plans are.....but he's not...tell me, all of you who think he can do it, which d1 school could he wrestle for? and ill let you know if he can do it...he is not nearly as strong as thoses guys at the weight he is at, and not quick enough or technical enough...he is technical when it comes to ky but tell me something....ohio state? illinois? IU? nope cant do it sorry

not to dog on my boy starks....he is not D1 material....u might ask him that and ask him what his plans are.....but he's not...tell me' date=' all of you who think he can do it, which d1 school could he wrestle for? and ill let you know if he can do it...he is not nearly as strong as thoses guys at the weight he is at, and not quick enough or technical enough...he is technical when it comes to ky but tell me something....ohio state? illinois? IU? nope cant do it sorry[/quote']

ya hes not as strong as the guys he wrestles because he was like 10-15 pounds lighter than them, i cant see him getting a full ride but i can see him going d1 with a partial or half scholarship.

Not going to happen at a division 1 school..A very good wrestler but not division1

I agree, i'd say the bigger reason good atheletes go D2 is the money aspect. Plenty of D2 schools have very good academic credentials.

Heres your D1 schools with wrestling, I think a few of our kids are good enough to make the squad but doubt many will be found at these schools come next wrestling season.

American University

Appalachian State University

Arizona State University

State University of New York

Bloomsburg University of Pennslyvania

Boise State University

Boston University

Brown University

Bucknell University

University at Buffalo

California Polytechnic State University

California State University

California State University, Fullerton

University of California, Davis

Campbell University

Central Michigan University The Citadel Charleston SC 29409-6150 Southern Conferenc Southern Conference

Clarion University of Pennsylvania

Cleveland State University

Columbia University-Barnard College

Cornell University

Davidson College

Delaware State University

Drexel University

Duke University

East Stroudsburg University of Pennsylvania

Eastern Illinois University

Eastern Michigan University

Franklin & Marshall College

Gardner-Webb University

George Mason University

Harvard University

University of Illinois

Indiana UniversityUniversity of Iowa Iowa City IA 52242 Big 10 Conferenc Big Ten Conference

Iowa State University

James Madison University

Kent State University

Lehigh University

Lock Haven University

University of Maryland

University of Michigan

Michigan State University

Millersville University of Pennsylvania

University of Minnesota

University of Missouri

University of Nebraska

North Carolina State University

University of North Carolina

University of North Carolina at Greensboro

Northern Illinois University

University of Northern Iowa

Northwestern University

Ohio State University

Ohio University

University of Oklahoma

Oklahoma State University

Old Dominion University

University of Oregon

Oregon State University

University of Pennsylvania

Pennsylvania State University

University of Pittsburgh

Portland State University

Princeton University

Purdue University

Rider University

Rutgers

Sacred Heart University

Slippery Rock University

Stanford University

University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Chattanooga

U.S. Air Force Academy

U.S. Military Academy

U.S. Naval Academy

Utah Valley State

University of Virginia Charlottesville

Virginia Military Institute

Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University

Wagner College

West Virginia University

University of Wisconsin

im sorry, but if D1 level is a lot different than those who know little may seem...go to some intense college wrestling camps....the camps may sometimes show you a glimpse of a practice in about 30 minutes but times that by 10 and there u go...gramy camps in virginia and missouri showed me a small glimpse...its go go go...they don't stop..they are expected to know everything, they don't stop and teach a move to the whole group...u either know it or you learn it by watching it becuase u r that experienced...the intensity level is incredible....i thought our practices were hard but nothing like college period...those of you can say what you think u know about the d1 level but no one from ky can make it there, except maybe one person, murton....and he wont go to an outstanding school unless he does excellent in senior nationals...i dont see anybody else excelling in senior nationals besides him and it will even be hard for him to do so, so thats my last point about that...

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I might agree on some of these schools. even a majority of these schools, but certainly not Nebraska, Minnasota, West Virginia, Michigan..These schools are premier schools for wrestling. I think it is awsome that Ruschell signed with a major school.Other than Murton and Shearer(forgive the spelling) I cant see anyone else in the state right now going MAJOR division 1.

I don't even think Scherer could make it at a major division I school. The only wrestler who could make it at one of those would be Murton and that's even questionable. Scherer and Starks could both make it at small division I schools but I would think they would be better off at division II.

I think Jacob Murton is one of the top kids at his optimal weight and has the skills to wrestle with any D1. Just compare Murton to some of the kids that are signing with D1 and his credentials stand up very well.

I still think some of the other top KY kids could wrestle with some D1 if they had the desire but doubt that they will pursue it.

BAP,

I dont doubt what you say about the D1 rooms being crazy and tough.

Where do you wrestle?

The DI schools are crazy and tough. I wrestle for a DII school and our room is insane compared to Woodford's room when I was there. I can't imaging what Minnesota's or Iowa's room is like. Look at some old tapes of Iowa wrestling, when Gable was there. What do you think they had to do to get in that kind of shape?

I don't even think Scherer could make it at a major division I school. The only wrestler who could make it at one of those would be Murton and that's even questionable. Scherer and Starks could both make it at small division I schools but I would think they would be better off at division II.

I have to disagree. Starks and Scherer are on the same level. In fact I would venture to say that Starks is better than Scherer and would beat him in a match, it would be close though. Murton is the only one who would have a chance to be an All American at a DI school. Starks and Scherer might be able to qualify once or twice. However as I said before I think they both would be better off in Division II.

I think everyone is missing the point that D1 is not just Big Ten and Big 12 schools. Theres plenty of D1 schools our kids could hook up with and wrestle their way to a spot. D1 or D2 or any level, I am saying that with a full understanding that the programs are hard and beyond what most have experienced at high school. But I think the KY kids would grow with the experience like any other kids and rise to the occassion. I'm not saying they would walk in and get a varsity spot and win an NCAA Championship their freshman year. But over the course of 3-5 years, I do believe that if they have the desire and committment, the same as with most successful high school wrestlers, they could learn to wrestle competitively and have a rewarding and successful collegiate career. Im sure most kids thought the high school wrestling room was tough anc crazy when they started, no different in college. One of the biggest factors is heart and how bad they want to do it.

I guess I have to ask the people who have commented on this post negatively about KY kids wrestling in college if they have any personal experience with collegiate wrestling and how they survived it? Then compare their high school success to some of the kids that are being criticized. Point being that if they survived and they arent 2x or 3x state champs then the current 2x and 3x champs and nationally competitive kids should do ok.

Good example is Knable at IU, he was a 4x KY State champ. He has worked hard and is seeing some varsity time for a good IU squad and its his 3rd year, I think. What other KY kids are wrestling in college?

I think everyone is missing the point that D1 is not just Big Ten and Big 12 schools. Theres plenty of D1 schools our kids could hook up with and wrestle their way to a spot. D1 or D2 or any level' date=' I am saying that with a full understanding that the programs are hard and beyond what most have experienced at high school. But I think the KY kids would grow with the experience like any other kids and rise to the occassion. I'm not saying they would walk in and get a varsity spot and win an NCAA Championship their freshman year. But over the course of 3-5 years, I do believe that if they have the desire and committment, the same as with most successful high school wrestlers, they could learn to wrestle competitively and have a rewarding and successful collegiate career. Im sure most kids thought the high school wrestling room was tough anc crazy when they started, no different in college. One of the biggest factors is heart and how bad they want to do it.

I guess I have to ask the people who have commented on this post negatively about KY kids wrestling in college if they have any personal experience with collegiate wrestling and how they survived it? Then compare their high school success to some of the kids that are being criticized. Point being that if they survived and they arent 2x or 3x state champs then the current 2x and 3x champs and nationally competitive kids should do ok.

Good example is Knable at IU, he was a 4x KY State champ. He has worked hard and is seeing some varsity time for a good IU squad and its his 3rd year, I think. What other KY kids are wrestling in college?[/quote']I believe this will be Todd Allen's last year at Cumberland. He was an All-American last year (3rd maybe).

:twisted: these are some wrestlers from ky that are wrestling at cumberland:

Todd allen

josh boggs

kris perry

jerrett weston

michael berding

marcus bradburry

josh hardtke

Brad cooper

rollie casson

william clark

anthony green

josh muncy

dan muncy

matt troxell

john robinette

matt reis

john walters

Kris Perry quit at Cumberland and I don't think Josh Boggs is there any more either, although I'm not for sure.

:twisted: naw they both still wrestle here i wrestle at cumberland.