Man, the holidays were extremely busy.  LOTS of wrestling and family time.  Good stuff.

There was a ton of action and lots of updates, but honestly there are still a lot of results missing from track.  So while I made a gazillion updates, still a lot more to come in the next week or so.  Most of the weights are filling out with solids wrestlers down the list.  I expect all weights to be at the full 25 by next week.

A few big notes:

- new #1 at 126 with Jeffrey Kinley looking very strong the first half of the season

- Johnson Central and Ryle pushing up the team ladder

- Christian County is looking very strong, but Union is still looking to score in the 270 range

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Branson Smith is staying at 220 this season . I know you have had him listed at 195 this season.

1 hour ago, Smith53 said:

Branson Smith is staying at 220 this season . I know you have had him listed at 195 this season.

Thank you. Been wondering about him and Jude. 

Thank you Jason for all your  time and efforts into the rankings. A lot of great, hard working kids in these rankings. Shaping up to be another great year for Kentucky wrestling. 

25 minutes ago, gameface said:

Thank you Jason for all your  time and efforts into the rankings. A lot of great, hard working kids in these rankings. Shaping up to be another great year for Kentucky wrestling. 

It's a lot harder without my partner in crime.  Although it would be really nice sitting out by his pool updating rankings in January.

Fuji is the real deal.... won't be denied !

12 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

It's a lot harder without my partner in crime.  Although it would be really nice sitting out by his pool updating rankings in January.

We both know that’s the truth!! He’s “Working” hard in Port Charlotte!!!!

Just a question have been out of the loop but what happened to Bryant Bean?

126- Dylan Walls over Ethan Wells 12-6

138- Malachi Rider over Jake Insko

145- Merritt over Lehman 6-3 and Pogue 7-3?

170- Little over Stevens

195- Corinthian Seales-Portee (Union) over Jesus Avila

Union won Father Ryan tournament minus Trayce Eckman and Matthias Ervin

1st. Union - 276.5

2nd. Cleveland - 232

4th. Christian Co. - 199

13th. Trinity - 97

15th. Caldwell - 87.5

29th. Paducah - 44.5

35th. Trigg - 32.5

43rd. Fort Campbell - 18

Merritt- Pogue was 7-5. It won match of the tourney. 

Mike Manning from Cov Cath has been wrestling 220 all year and you have him at 285

21 hours ago, DrBaker said:

Merritt- Pogue was 7-5. It won match of the tourney. 

Merrit had 2 great matches. last second head lock to defeat lehman of Trinity was down 3-1 15 seconds left.

Adam Williams from Johnson Central should be in the top 5 in 106. 

25 minutes ago, canady said:

Adam Williams from Johnson Central should be in the top 5 in 106. 

Hard to rank someone who has only wrestled 4 matches and they are all out of state.  

9 hours ago, Chris Duke said:

Hard to rank someone who has only wrestled 4 matches and they are all out of state.  

Not arguing that.  He was 4th in 113 at the Bobby Bates Tournament in Wise, Va which is a very tough tournament.  He won 3 matches there.  He was 1st at Agie Skeens in Virginia which is another very tough tournament.  Won 4 matches at 106 in that one.  

At JC's McDonald's tournament, I think the kid went 7-0 over two days time at 113.  I know they don't show on track.  I was just saying the kid is really good at 106.  I know doing statewide rankings is hard, very hard.  Just stating my opinion.  

1 hour ago, canady said:

Not arguing that.  He was 4th in 113 at the Bobby Bates Tournament in Wise, Va which is a very tough tournament.  He won 3 matches there.  He was 1st at Agie Skeens in Virginia which is another very tough tournament.  Won 4 matches at 106 in that one.  

At JC's McDonald's tournament, I think the kid went 7-0 over two days time at 113.  I know they don't show on track.  I was just saying the kid is really good at 106.  I know doing statewide rankings is hard, very hard.  Just stating my opinion.  

Johnson Central needs to post their results to track. Ranger can't be in the stands everywhere. Results need posted, not just records stated on this website. Track is the modern day smart phone, old outdated wrestling tournament formats and results are the Motorola DynaTAC

Its all top secret until regional seedings. You know the coaches don't really like rankings anyway. This is all for us. 

3 hours ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

Johnson Central needs to post their results to track. Ranger can't be in the stands everywhere. Results need posted, not just records stated on this website. Track is the modern day smart phone, old outdated wrestling tournament formats and results are the Motorola DynaTAC

Agree.  Just making the point that the kid is very very good at 106.

jalen wideman should be ranked top 10 he’s been beating some studs

35 minutes ago, Jalen_wideman said:

jalen wideman should be ranked top 10 he’s been beating some studs

Do you always talk in third person? And what 'studs' has this Jalen Wideman beat? 
 

you’ll see at state and you really pulled all the stats out smh

1 hour ago, Jalen_wideman said:

you’ll see at state and you really pulled all the stats out smh

Ranger doesn't pick favorites, he ranks based on results. I was just curious as who the 'studs' were that you beat so Ranger can take note and place you in the top 10. The matches I posted are the only ones listed on trackwrestling. Good luck this year.

Last year at state:

Thanks u too but I John Lowe has been pretty though this year

John Lowe should have beat Eric green

I have a sneaking suspicion that Jalen Wideman isn’t posting any of this crap. Probably a goofball looking for attention because his name isn’t on the rankings either. I know the coaches at FC wouldn’t put up with any kid running their mouth on here. 

35 minutes ago, Nike Man said:

I have a sneaking suspicion that Jalen Wideman isn’t posting any of this crap. Probably a goofball looking for attention because his name isn’t on the rankings either. I know the coaches at FC wouldn’t put up with any kid running their mouth on here. 

Goofball your username is Nike man

Congrats, you can read. So can moderators. They can read your sign up info and see who you really are. 

5 hours ago, Jalen_wideman said:

Thanks u too but I John Lowe has been pretty though this year

Hope you wrestle better than you spell. 

43 minutes ago, Nike Man said:

Congrats, you can read. So can moderators. They can read your sign up info and see who you really are. 

Tarzan maybe?

3 hours ago, Nike Man said:

I have a sneaking suspicion that Jalen Wideman isn’t posting any of this crap. Probably a goofball looking for attention because his name isn’t on the rankings either. I know the coaches at FC wouldn’t put up with any kid running their mouth on here. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=grammar+for+dummies&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=1Dk_bU6rYs3GMM%3A%2CyktU3V0vW0WZ_M%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQkb1q66GTXl_AFDIQ-FOCPXAumtw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwip4KWCg_PmAhWTVs0KHX6oAtgQ9QEwAHoECAoQAw#imgrc=1Dk_bU6rYs3GMM: And may need this link????

Was at Father Ryan this previous Weekend

Union & Christian County looking tough! I think if Paducah Tilghman had a full lineup, all 3 teams would have been top 4 in final team scores (Cleveland from TN also tough).

That region & Western Kentucky wrestling is growing, and that increased competition level is great for the state & the sport. 

Can't wait to see where things go from here!  

On 1/4/2020 at 8:13 PM, Ranchy said:

Just a question have been out of the loop but what happened to Bryant Bean?

I'm hearing Beane suffered a knee injury and is out for the season. 

On 1/7/2020 at 1:42 PM, Jalen_wideman said:

you’ll see at state and you really pulled all the stats out smh

Which of these guys should he be AHEAD of:

Thomas Deck

Gabe Adams

Seth Lutes

Gavin Andreoni
Ryan Bellucci

Devon Herron
Jabin Hite
Jarrett Sanders

Jacob Cain
Trevor Villums

Logan Dingus

Mason Polston

None of them in alphabetic order.

Joel Hattchet from Fern Creek is out for the year with a torn ACL. Another update for Fern Creek is a name adjustment, their 160 is Trevon Warren although in track it was misspelled as Travonne Warren. Thank you for all your hard work Ranger!

1 hour ago, djflex said:

Joel Hattchet from Fern Creek is out for the year with a torn ACL. Another update for Fern Creek is a name adjustment, their 160 is Trevon Warren although in track it was misspelled as Travonne Warren. Thank you for all your hard work Ranger!

Dang. Really hate to hear that about Joel. Great kid.
Hearing a few knee issues. Biggest being my man Beane. 

On 1/6/2020 at 10:40 AM, ukpridewrestler11 said:

Johnson Central needs to post their results to track. Ranger can't be in the stands everywhere. Results need posted, not just records stated on this website. Track is the modern day smart phone, old outdated wrestling tournament formats and results are the Motorola DynaTAC

Geez man give it a rest. It’s obvious you don’t like the people at Johnson Central and for the life of me I can’t figure out what they’ve done to you. Are you this big of a jerk in real life or are you just a super tough keyboard warrior on here? You’re acting like a crying liberal at a Trump rally on here in almost every post you make. 

On 1/5/2020 at 11:29 PM, canady said:

Adam Williams from Johnson Central should be in the top 5 in 106. 

According to track, he is undefeated this year. But that is not all that accurate so far. He lost 2 at the Bobby Bates classic to get 4th. Still, he's having a good season so far it looks like. It'd be good to see some results against other KY kids. Right now, with how 106 has played out, he could be top 8. 

According to Trackwrestling Johnson Central has 5 unbeaten kids:

106 Williams 12-0

120 Lawson 12-0

126 Webb 11-0

145 Goss 11-0

195 Rodriguez 10-0

and 3 with only 1 loss: Cain, Giampolo, and Sexton

Hell of a season so far. 

Why does JC have to post their results?  There is no KHSAA requirement to do so.  

All the results give us is armchair banter, nothing more nothing less.  Really not that important.  It's only important to those who thing the rankings are important and seems to me that coach Matney does not think they are important, and I for one agree with him.  

Personally I like looking at who are the better kids, I don't get tied up with what place they are ranked just that maybe they are one of the better kids in the state. Even then when I see someone beat a "ranked kid" I don't really think it is a big deal, I look at how the kid wrestled and such. 

3 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

Why does JC have to post their results?  There is no KHSAA requirement to do so.  

All the results give us is armchair banter, nothing more nothing less.  Really not that important.  It's only important to those who thing the rankings are important and seems to me that coach Matney does not think they are important, and I for one agree with him.  

Personally I like looking at who are the better kids, I don't get tied up with what place they are ranked just that maybe they are one of the better kids in the state. Even then when I see someone beat a "ranked kid" I don't really think it is a big deal, I look at how the kid wrestled and such. 

The thing is, don't all records have to be submitted to track before regionals, so why not keep it updated throughout the year instead of wait all of the way until the very end to submit each individual match for the whole season?

All the events are already entered in Track, they are just not updated on the roster form. 

The coach can see the results of his own team, just not the public.  

At the end of the year all they have to do is press one button to update roster and all are added.  Maybe they don't want to take the time to press the button after each event. 

On 1/10/2020 at 11:50 AM, grappler-of-old said:

All the events are already entered in Track, they are just not updated on the roster form. 

The coach can see the results of his own team, just not the public.  

At the end of the year all they have to do is press one button to update roster and all are added.  Maybe they don't want to take the time to press the button after each event. 

 

 

 

Not always, track will only automatically populate trackwrestling tournaments. Non-track tournaments and duals have to be hand entered

In my tenure as a head coach, Track was used throughout the state early on and tournaments would use Track results for rankings during tournaments. SOme coaches would deliberately not put results in or push the button as GOO says, so their kid could get a higher seed. I know that's not the case here because Kentucky does not mandate Track results. Although wouldn't every one be the better for it. It makes seeding meetings go extremely fast because the computer does the calculating for you. This is an age of technology, might as well use it while we can.

Track is a great tool and I like it. But like all tools it has lots of flaws most human. We should all have to use it I agree and like your weight sheet from the previous week the results should also have to be entered and updated before you can get the next weigh-in sheet. This would help with those problems but also it should be watched closely for duplicate results because far to many kids records on track are incorrect when the same match is on there twice or even three times. Also a big difference if one team counts Byes and the other doesn't so even though this is a great tool there is lots of room for us all to improve it even more.  I agree with Rider should be used more by everyone so we can be better. 

Seed meetings should go really fast anyway.  During the season seeding really does not matter.  Coaches need only send in their roster and records and go with it.  It drives me crazy when we go to a tourney and coaches are arguing over seeds.  Especially when its for a 4, 5, or 6.  Separate the best 2 and then go with it. 

The only seeding that really matters is the post season seeds.  Make sure the best kids go to the state tourney. 

On 1/10/2020 at 10:50 AM, grappler-of-old said:

All the events are already entered in Track, they are just not updated on the roster form. 

The coach can see the results of his own team, just not the public.  

At the end of the year all they have to do is press one button to update roster and all are added.  Maybe they don't want to take the time to press the button after each event. 

 

 

 

That’s not true. Many many teams/coaches do enter much or any details until the last minute right before the requirement at region. 
 

The record aspect of this is irrelevant. If the results are there it’s simple enough to calculate a record. 

2 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

Seed meetings should go really fast anyway.  During the season seeding really does not matter.  Coaches need only send in their roster and records and go with it.  It drives me crazy when we go to a tourney and coaches are arguing over seeds.  Especially when its for a 4, 5, or 6.  Separate the best 2 and then go with it. 

The only seeding that really matters is the post season seeds.  Make sure the best kids go to the state tourney. 

 

Bad take...when you are competing as a team, which we do at tournaments, seeding is very important.  Records shouldn't be seeding criteria at all.  I fight for the 6 seed all the time. 

Maybe you just haven't had a lot of success in seeding meetings?  

Credentials should be number one. A 10-5 returning state placer who lost matches out of state should be a higher seed than a 20-3 kid who has only been wrestling the same 8 or so kids

41 minutes ago, FalconWrestling said:

Credentials should be number one. A 10-5 returning state placer who lost matches out of state should be a higher seed than a 20-3 kid who has only been wrestling the same 8 or so kids

Thank you

I believe you need to always seed top 6 in a 16 man bracket. Like mentioned above seedings can determine a tourney championship. This is a team sport, will always be a team sport. There will always be discussion in seeding meetings. Just using track is lazy. Not accurate in most cases. Every weekend there's kids getting beat with a 25-1 record by kids 12-7. Records do not always accurately define just how good a kid is.  Head to head, common opponents. Record should be one of the last criteria.  Most of all integrity and common sense should be used by the the coaches. 

Integrity is the practice of being honest and showing a consistent and uncompromising adherence to strong moral and ethical principles and values

6 hours ago, GooglyMoogly said:

Bad take...when you are competing as a team, which we do at tournaments, seeding is very important.  Records shouldn't be seeding criteria at all.  I fight for the 6 seed all the time. 

Maybe you just haven't had a lot of success in seeding meetings?  

At the regional tournament yes but at the Jerry Little holiday tourney no.  Makes coaches meetings to long and wrestling gets started to late.  And as Falcon said there is no way to know who is better because of record, and wrestling out of state does not always mean better competition. 

AS for success well...........lets just say I have been around long enough that I have seen my fair share of fist fights at seed meeting. 

My favorite is when there’s a fight over the 2 v 3 seeds.

My favorite is when coaches at the regional tournament that get their kid a top 2 or 3 seed with a 30-10 record and 20 of the wins are forfeits, then they don’t even place

12 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

At the regional tournament yes but at the Jerry Little holiday tourney no.  Makes coaches meetings to long and wrestling gets started to late.  And as Falcon said there is no way to know who is better because of record, and wrestling out of state does not always mean better competition. 

AS for success well...........lets just say I have been around long enough that I have seen my fair share of fist fights at seed meeting. 

9 hours ago, Wkywrestler said:

My favorite is when coaches at the regional tournament that get their kid a top 2 or 3 seed with a 30-10 record and 20 of the wins are forfeits, then they don’t even place

Thats the lack of integrity.

I believe some states are not allowing forfiets to count in state tournament seeding. 

Just some things for the next rankings from the Anderson County Tournament a couple weekends ago in case you missed it

106- # 20 Kelton Bailey beats #13 Ashley by Pinfall, 2:47 to win the Anderson County Tournament. 

UR Aiden Butler beats #12 Cole Harrod by Dec, 6-0

113- #23 Maximus Beltran beats #18 Maurice Murphy by Dec, 4-2

120- UR Jonathan Pittman beats #20 Luke Oliveros by pinfall, 3:45

132- #21 Mason Polston beats #19 Jalen Wideman by pinfall, 0:45

145- #15 John Lowe beats #8 Chas Fudold by Dec, 6-4

152- #6 Dylan Preston beats #4 Tyler Hudgins by Dec, 10-5

160- UR Jacobie White beats #21 Andrew Archibald by pinfall, 2:57

#6 Cole Nance beats #2 Nathaniel Lawrence by Inj, 5:52

170- #10 Chase Fink beats #4 @ 160, Tristan Brooks by Pinfall, 5:38

Things I Took Away: Kaiji Fujii @ 126 is the real deal. Lost to Kinley in the finals in a barn burner but i had heard he beat him the weekend before. 

Chase Yost and Thomas Deck are good at wrestling lol. 

Dylan Preston from Woodford had an amazing weekend pinning Walker McCubbin and handling Tyler Hudgins pretty well in the finals. 

Cole Nance with arguably the upset of the day beats Nathaniel Lawrence by forfeit but that forfeit doesn't mean a thing. Nance was handling Lawrence before he had gotten hurt, Nance looks extremely tough this year.

Chase Fink, if it wasn't for his teammate Cole Nance, would have had the upset of the day by pinning Tristan Brooks. Finks defense looked impenetrable all match long

10 hours ago, Wkywrestler said:

My favorite is when coaches at the regional tournament that get their kid a top 2 or 3 seed with a 30-10 record and 20 of the wins are forfeits, then they don’t even place

You must be talking about our regional seed meeting. I get told every year forfeits count as wins, even if it is half your wins. 

Who is best P4P wrestler in the state?

17 minutes ago, Wrestler66 said:

Who is best P4P wrestler in the state?

Has to be between Micah or Mathias Ervin or Spencer Moore. 

38 minutes ago, halfhalfhalf said:

Has to be between Micah or Mathias Ervin or Spencer Moore. 

Micah was the first one that popped in my head.

6 hours ago, thegoldenwrestler said:

Just some things for the next rankings from the Anderson County Tournament a couple weekends ago in case you missed it

 

106- # 20 Kelton Bailey beats #13 Ashley by Pinfall, 2:47 to win the Anderson County Tournament. 

UR Aiden Butler beats #12 Cole Harrod by Dec, 6-0

 

113- #23 Maximus Beltran beats #18 Maurice Murphy by Dec, 4-2

 

120- UR Jonathan Pittman beats #20 Luke Oliveros by pinfall, 3:45

 

132- #21 Mason Polston beats #19 Jalen Wideman by pinfall, 0:45

 

145- #15 John Lowe beats #8 Chas Fudold by Dec, 6-4

 

152- #6 Dylan Preston beats #4 Tyler Hudgins by Dec, 10-5

 

160- UR Jacobie White beats #21 Andrew Archibald by pinfall, 2:57

#6 Cole Nance beats #2 Nathaniel Lawrence by Inj, 5:52

 

170- #10 Chase Fink beats #4 @ 160, Tristan Brooks by Pinfall, 5:38

 

Things I Took Away: Kaiji Fujii @ 126 is the real deal. Lost to Kinley in the finals in a barn burner but i had heard he beat him the weekend before. 

 

Chase Yost and Thomas Deck are good at wrestling lol. 

 

Dylan Preston from Woodford had an amazing weekend pinning Walker McCubbin and handling Tyler Hudgins pretty well in the finals. 

 

Cole Nance with arguably the upset of the day beats Nathaniel Lawrence by forfeit but that forfeit doesn't mean a thing. Nance was handling Lawrence before he had gotten hurt, Nance looks extremely tough this year.

 

Chase Fink, if it wasn't for his teammate Cole Nance, would have had the upset of the day by pinning Tristan Brooks. Finks defense looked impenetrable all match long

What about the 195,220,285??? They was some great wrestling

6 hours ago, Wrestler66 said:

Who is best P4P wrestler in the state?

I would say Thomas Deck then the discussion starts at #2. 

1 hour ago, Ranger123 said:

I would say Thomas Deck then the discussion starts at #2. 

How would you put the rest of the #1s if you had to rank?

2 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

I would say Thomas Deck then the discussion starts at #2. 

My son and Deck became friends at Boys State this past summer and worked out together. He is not only a supremely gifted athlete but also an articulate, intelligent gentleman. Great kid.

23 hours ago, take em to the mat said:

Thats the lack of integrity.

I believe some states are not allowing forfiets to count in state tournament seeding. 

I believe that is a slippery slope.   That allows teams to forfeit to a wrestler they know they can't beat and in turn then hurts that individual who receives the forfeit. 

On 1/14/2020 at 8:57 AM, take em to the mat said:

Thats the lack of integrity.

I believe some states are not allowing forfiets to count in state tournament seeding. 

I've always preached as a coach that you need to be on weight and ready to wrestle, even if you're getting forfeit.  You did you job for the team, scored points for being available to wrestle,  and for this you are rewarded a forfeit (win). 

Do I think you can give a kid a huge seed jump with 10 forfeits, absolutely not. But thats were common sense should come into place.

In Missouri, Trackwrestling is used as a seeding tool throughout the year. Coaches have to update results and weigh in sheets on a regular basis, if not then you are not allowed to print out the next weigh in sheet. Other surrounding states are pretty much the same so uploading tournament results really isn't too difficult. Forfeits are counted in win totals at end of year but the criteria is adjusted at districts for certain results. It has all the criteria built in by the state and even when I run our tourney here, I put in seeding criteria to be set by coaches prior to the tourney. This allows the computer to set my seeds as soon as I pull up the brackets. Granted, their is on occasion where there are no commons between 2 wrestlers with nice records but if your seeding criteria is set beforehand then coaches have a guideline to follow.

14 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

I believe that is a slippery slope.   That allows teams to forfeit to a wrestler they know they can't beat and in turn then hurts that individual who receives the forfeit. 

Yes.  it's sad but dishonesty is everywhere.

12 hours ago, coachteater said:

I've always preached as a coach that you need to be on weight and ready to wrestle, even if you're getting forfeit.  You did you job for the team, scored points for being available to wrestle,  and for this you are rewarded a forfeit (win). 

Do I think you can give a kid a huge seed jump with 10 forfeits, absolutely not. But thats were common sense should come into place.

agreed

On 1/14/2020 at 11:05 AM, Wrestler66 said:

Who is best P4P wrestler in the state?

I’m kinda biased towards the hometown kids, but Spencer Moore is pretty amazing.