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I maintain optimism that KHSAA will allow us to compete this year, though it will look a bit different. The fact football is having 80% of a season gives me hope.
However, in the event they cancel the season, I’m concerned what impact that could have on our sport’s participation.
What are some ideas, should they cancel the KHSAA season, that could keep kids engaged and competing?
If the season is cancelled then will that open up the possibility of summer wrestling by school teams?
Technically the coaches would be able to coach their kids and have practices with no restrictions because they were not coaches this year. A whole summer season could be put together by the coaches around the state.
It could be a stellar year for USA wrestling.
The problem is venue. Under the scenario where a season is cancelled then my assumption would be that school gyms are off limits so getting a site to hold a tournament is going to be hard to do. Also will USA sanction/insure events if many state associations say it’s not safe (although I know there are many events getting insured around the country right now).
My thought process was that by the time we get to the summer we would be in the clear. Heck maybe even sooner. It is something to think about. If we can start the groundwork now just in case it may be successful.
Trying to find a silver lining. If we don't have a regular season and hundreds or even thousands of kids wrestle over the summer this just might be a kick start to off-season wrestling in KY.
I'm not sure what I am going to do if there is no wrestling season. I have not had a winter off since 1981. I've been to every state tourney since 1982. My wife just might kill me if she has to see me every day after school through the winter, walking around the house with nothing to do. LOL.
This may sound unconventional, but what about a vacant warehouse as a potential destination? Some might enjoy the extra revenue it would generate they aren’t currently getting. I know my hometown in Oklahoma used an expo center for a tournament earlier this summer. I’m ignorant when it comes to the legal/insurance stuff, so I’m not sure how it would work. The UFC has fight island. We need our version.
I realize securing a place to compete may present some difficulties, however, I do know that there are tournaments being run throughout the country right now. How are they able to do it? What is their model? Could we replicate it in Kentucky if KHSAA cancels winter sports? I believe we can make it happen. The physical and mental health of our kids need it, in my opinion.
My granddaughter is suppose to wrestle in two venues in coming weeks. both are being held in large arenas that routinely host livestock shows. One listed the protocols, two 20' x 40' door sections will be left open. no air, but exhaust fans will be running continuously. Masks by all, except for wrestlers when competing. Social distancing must be maintained.
1 hour ago, Tdog'sPap said:My granddaughter is suppose to wrestle in two venues in coming weeks. both are being held in large arenas that routinely host livestock shows. One listed the protocols, two 20' x 40' door sections will be left open. no air, but exhaust fans will be running continuously. Masks by all, except for wrestlers when competing. Social distancing must be maintained.
That’s awesome! Were there waivers to be signed? How are they insured? Who is hosting? Any other requirements beyond what you listed?
yes to waiver, nuway for one, not sure on the other. temperature checks, one states you can bring a lawn chair as long as you stay 6 feet apart, so I am assuming they are opening up the floor and not using some of the seating.
6 hours ago, Tdog'sPap said:yes to waiver, nuway for one, not sure on the other. temperature checks, one states you can bring a lawn chair as long as you stay 6 feet apart, so I am assuming they are opening up the floor and not using some of the seating.
where yall going?
We just had the plug pulled for football. Not looking promising for us for wrestling this yr either. Regardless of what KHSAA says
Just to update,I have reached out to khsaa for any answers and to offer help in decision making from the coaches association.
Today I got a response from Mr. Barren, our commissioner at khsaa. I appreciate him responding, Im sure he is getting emails to no end. And honestly, this is the response I figured I would get. We just are in a waiting game
"I can not tell you anything more then what has been posted by our Commissioner. This situation is so fluid, its a struggle for all of us. Please be patient and understand that no one, at this time, can tell you what the wrestling season will look like. I continue to prepare for as many variables as possible, with the hope that normalcy returns..." - Mr. Barren
Honestly I think that if the COVID thing has not been resolved by say March/April, I think that we as a society will return to normal and resume life as normal with new testing and such.
With that said. That would mean that a wrestling season has come and passed. Insurance could be covered with a USA card. As coaches I think KY could get a sort of spring/summer season going. I would think that we could get permission from KHSAA for the use of school uniforms and such. If not then rent them from the school for $1. Put school teams together and compete. If we start planning now maybe even have a sort of regional and state tourney. Seems to me that we have enough interest in KY to accomplish this, but not so big that it becomes a logistical nightmare.
I know this is hopeful thinking but I really think this could be done. I just can't imagine not having some sort of season and if not then we should go down fighting.for one.
18 hours ago, halfhalfhalf said:where yall going?
We just had the plug pulled for football. Not looking promising for us for wrestling this yr either. Regardless of what KHSAA says
Which school pulled plug.
Fort Campbell and Fort Knox canceled football, soccer and volleyball seasons per DOD. Wrestling seasons are at risk also.
Ok so I been reading different news about football and winter sports. With that being said if we in my district take the same rules that apply to football then this is what I see and the problems that exist.
1) 1st only 80% schedule so 14 matches not 17.
2) Can't travel further than 2 hours unless for district match-ups and then only with permission.
3) No tourneys with more than 8 teams involved. (Individual tourneys gone)
4) No overnight stays.
5) Only out of state matches that the county touched state of KY.
So with these guidelines my entire schedule is cancelled except a few weekday meets. So my question is does anyone have new plans to look at maybe hosting new dual tourneys this season as I am sure we will all scramble for a place to go. Has anyone else heard anything like this or looked at our season under the rules that are being used to play football in their school. Just wondering.
2 hours ago, panthers said:Ok so I been reading different news about football and winter sports. With that being said if we in my district take the same rules that apply to football then this is what I see and the problems that exist.
1) 1st only 80% schedule so 14 matches not 17.
2) Can't travel further than 2 hours unless for district match-ups and then only with permission.
3) No tourneys with more than 8 teams involved. (Individual tourneys gone)
4) No overnight stays.
5) Only out of state matches that the county touched state of KY.
So with these guidelines my entire schedule is cancelled except a few weekday meets. So my question is does anyone have new plans to look at maybe hosting new dual tourneys this season as I am sure we will all scramble for a place to go. Has anyone else heard anything like this or looked at our season under the rules that are being used to play football in their school. Just wondering.
Right now it’s tough to schedule/plan anything with the uncertainty of what our season will look like let alone start. Hard to see us starting on our regular start dates with football and other fall sports being pushed back. Unfortunately, winter and spring sports are on the back burner until further notice.
1 hour ago, pin2win said:Right now it’s tough to schedule/plan anything with the uncertainty of what our season will look like let alone start. Hard to see us starting on our regular start dates with football and other fall sports being pushed back. Unfortunately, winter and spring sports are on the back burner until further notice.
Agreed was just checking
Dont think tournaments are a complete no go. I say invite 8 teams, fill 8 man brackets with extras, and go with it. Honestly I like it much better then oversized money grab tournaments that run way too long and pack 25 teams in a gym made for half that.
3 hours ago, coachteater said:Dont think tournaments are a complete no go. I say invite 8 teams, fill 8 man brackets with extras, and go with it. Honestly I like it much better then oversized money grab tournaments that run way too long and pack 25 teams in a gym made for half that.
That would be nice guess we will see. That's why I posted wanted to see other thoughts on things. Plus can't do anything else so why not kick up some dust.
On 8/17/2020 at 7:59 AM, coachteater said:Dont think tournaments are a complete no go. I say invite 8 teams, fill 8 man brackets with extras, and go with it. Honestly I like it much better then oversized money grab tournaments that run way too long and pack 25 teams in a gym made for half that.
One of the biggest complaints about wrestling are the all day Saturday tournaments that mom/dad/grandma/etc. are attending. Show up at 730 for weigh ins - your kid gets maybe 5 matches spread throughout the day - Saturday is gone. I think that once or twice a season, these make sense. Great measuring stick.
8 man tournaments or 6 team dual meets on a Saturday are huge. I know of a school in Indiana that twice a year hosts 4-5 different schools. Weigh ins at 9am. Wrestling finished by 2-3pm. sometimes awards. Guaranteed 4-5 matches because of dual format.
Kentucky and wrestling in general needs more of that.
1 hour ago, bestmistake33 said:One of the biggest complaints about wrestling are the all day Saturday tournaments that mom/dad/grandma/etc. are attending. Show up at 730 for weigh ins - your kid gets maybe 5 matches spread throughout the day - Saturday is gone. I think that once or twice a season, these make sense. Great measuring stick.
8 man tournaments or 6 team dual meets on a Saturday are huge. I know of a school in Indiana that twice a year hosts 4-5 different schools. Weigh ins at 9am. Wrestling finished by 2-3pm. sometimes awards. Guaranteed 4-5 matches because of dual format.
Kentucky and wrestling in general needs more of that.
1 hour ago, bestmistake33 said:One of the biggest complaints about wrestling are the all day Saturday tournaments that mom/dad/grandma/etc. are attending. Show up at 730 for weigh ins - your kid gets maybe 5 matches spread throughout the day - Saturday is gone. I think that once or twice a season, these make sense. Great measuring stick.
8 man tournaments or 6 team dual meets on a Saturday are huge. I know of a school in Indiana that twice a year hosts 4-5 different schools. Weigh ins at 9am. Wrestling finished by 2-3pm. sometimes awards. Guaranteed 4-5 matches because of dual format.
Kentucky and wrestling in general needs more of that.
Yeah we do mostly duals for just that reason. We always tried to do at least one big individual just so our kids could get the experience for Regional or State. It would be nice to see more 8 man if the brackets are full.
KHSAA just pretty much made it known without saying wrestling and B-ball will be pushed off. The options being discussed has the playoffs starting Mid-November.
On 8/18/2020 at 11:59 AM, panthers said:
Yeah we do mostly duals for just that reason. We always tried to do at least one big individual just so our kids could get the experience for Regional or State. It would be nice to see more 8 man if the brackets are full.
duals are great except for those small teams. What happens to teams that only have 4-7 wrestlers? Hard to have a dual team with that many kids. And we have quite a few of those in KY. The problem is that other schools don't want to dual these teams or wast a spot in a dual tourney with one of these teams.
23 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:duals are great except for those small teams. What happens to teams that only have 4-7 wrestlers? Hard to have a dual team with that many kids. And we have quite a few of those in KY. The problem is that other schools don't want to dual these teams or wast a spot in a dual tourney with one of these teams.
I think we are in a tough spots with us who do not field full teams. I don't think there is a right answer.
Wrestling should be in the same grouping as cross country. Limit the numbers wrestlers not the number of teams.
3 hours ago, halfhalfhalf said:I think we are in a tough spots with us who do not field full teams. I don't think there is a right answer.
I am a Louisville boy so am quite used to this problem. Coached at fairdale for a year and we often had to have combined practices with PRP for both of our sakes.
Perhaps we could combine teams that could not field full teams, in the event of such a drastic circumstance. Have seen it done on a much smaller scale such as dual tournaments, combining several B teams.
I am infamously against combined practices myself since I view it as slapping a band aid on the program rather than fixing the problem. Kids can be hard to get out to wrestle and some programs are in tough school situations, but I still feel the goal is to get as many kids as possible interested in and hopefully joining your program
With a restriction on competition sizes and overnight stays, the KHSAA would probably have to bring back the district and semi state tournaments. They would also probably have to realign regions or move tournament sites.
On 8/26/2020 at 12:02 PM, KWR said:With a restriction on competition sizes and overnight stays, the KHSAA would probably have to bring back the district and semi state tournaments. They would also probably have to realign regions or move tournament sites.
I was thinking the same thing. Use the 1986, 1987, Post season schedule: Week 1 District, Week 2 Region, Week 3 Semi State, Week 4 State tourney. That would make it an 8 man bracket Region, Semi State and State.
12 hours ago, Ranger123 said:I definitely like bringing back district
I do as well. I was an advocate for the return of districts, even before the pandemic. I believe this was the the next season that regional alignment could be evaluated, and it is in dire need of tweaking. Why not bring back the districts and realign the regions accordingly?
39 minutes ago, Coach Burton said:I do as well. I was an advocate for the return of districts, even before the pandemic. I believe this was the the next season that regional alignment could be evaluated, and it is in dire need of tweaking. Why not bring back the districts and realign the regions accordingly?
Dont think they bring back districts because they want 32 man bracket at state. $$$$
You can still have a 32 man bracket at state. You wouldn't have to reduce the number of regions, just split them back into districts. Granted, the regional tournaments would be smaller, but with realignment and districts, no regional tournament would have to be a two day tournament.
1 hour ago, Coach Burton said:You can still have a 32 man bracket at state. You wouldn't have to reduce the number of regions, just split them back into districts. Granted, the regional tournaments would be smaller, but with realignment and districts, no regional tournament would have to be a two day tournament.
I misunderstood, thought you were meaning just go back to set up we use to have. Im in agreement to add a district back as well, the sizes of regions we had is ridiculous and as we continue to grow, it just gets worse.
Realignment would help with that. On the flip side of the coin Region 7 has 20 teams if all the schools field a team.
First thing is to find who is actually going to fill teams. Right now so many are listed in regions and haven't wrestled in years. Once we fix that then we can have a re-alinement a d then districts. Sounds great to me one day regionals would be nice.
On 8/28/2020 at 11:11 PM, Coach Burton said:Realignment would help with that. On the flip side of the coin Region 7 has 20 teams if all the schools field a team.
Off the top of my head Fern Creek should be in Region 4 not Region 3 which would balance the two regions out somewhat, but they will still be the two smallest regions in the state participant wise. Louisville schools have been dropping programs and the AD's have shown no interest in re-adding programs. I guarantee at least one more, quite possibly more than that, programs will drop within the next 2-3 years
5 hours ago, FalconWrestling said:Off the top of my head Fern Creek should be in Region 4 not Region 3 which would balance the two regions out somewhat, but they will still be the two smallest regions in the state participant wise. Louisville schools have been dropping programs and the AD's have shown no interest in re-adding programs. I guarantee at least one more, quite possibly more than that, programs will drop within the next 2-3 years
then go get a job and build one from not being victim of the drop bug 
I tried to start a program at Butler and tried to restart Eastern and Ballard's programs. Like I said the AD's have no interest
26 minutes ago, FalconWrestling said:I tried to start a program at Butler and tried to restart Eastern and Ballard's programs. Like I said the AD's have no interest
cmon Rob. A no hasnt ever stopped you. haha.
47 minutes ago, FalconWrestling said:I tried to start a program at Butler and tried to restart Eastern and Ballard's programs. Like I said the AD's have no interest
How long ago did you talk to Butler? I just ask because I was talking to someone about year ago and they said the new AD was from Ohio Co I believe and he was hoping to start one. Not sure that was true but just thought I would see when maybe he is a new AD with new directions.
8 hours ago, panthers said:How long ago did you talk to Butler? I just ask because I was talking to someone about year ago and they said the new AD was from Ohio Co I believe and he was hoping to start one. Not sure that was true but just thought I would see when maybe he is a new AD with new directions.
This was with the old AD, I'd still be open to doing it but have never talked to the new AD
9 hours ago, FalconWrestling said:This was with the old AD, I'd still be open to doing it but have never talked to the new AD
I think I was talking about Bulter County and you are talking Butler high in Louisville after thinking about it. Sorry