Just curious, who out there actually gets to officially start this week? Different local rules being applied in Hardin , Meade and LaRue.
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22 minutes ago, NO-OX 1 said:Just curious, who out there actually gets to officially start this week? Different local rules being applied in Hardin , Meade and LaRue.
What kind of local rules?
1 hour ago, NO-OX 1 said:Just curious, who out there actually gets to officially start this week? Different local rules being applied in Hardin , Meade and LaRue.
Ive heard same in Oldham co as well. They are still conditioning only till Nov 16th.
We are starting today as well. 3 different practice times for us at HC. 3:30-5, 5:15-6:45, and 6:45-7:45. Working out the kinks with Covid at the HS level then phasing in middle school and youth.
We wasnt given any extra restrictions but with our kids going A and B schedule practices will be split too as some wont be able to make it.
Union and Henderson are supposed to start today. Hopefully the kinks are getting ironed out quickly.
9 minutes ago, DrBaker said:Union and Henderson are supposed to start today. Hopefully the kinks are getting ironed out quickly.
347 more days for me till the season for me.
1 minute ago, halfhalfhalf said:347 more days for me till the season for me.
Still sad 
I feel for you Coach its been way to long as it is and happy we go full force today. I hate it for all the coaches and kids that do have to miss out we have two that wont wrestle due to health concerns. I am sure it will affect all teams in some way. Sorry again coach.
12 minutes ago, DrBaker said:Still sad
oh I have SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much I want to say but I can't.
We will talk soon enough. If you're at Central Hardin next Saturday for MS come find me and let's talk.
35 minutes ago, halfhalfhalf said:oh I have SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much I want to say but I can't.
We will talk soon enough. If you're at Central Hardin next Saturday for MS come find me and let's talk.
I won't be there. I doubt I help any this year. Pretty much just following online.
Talk about tough situation. Was talking to McCreary Central coach and he said they are only allowing him to have 6 kids in the wrestling room at a time. They have around a 900 square foot room. Just crazy!
If the season is going to be like this then why do we not just postpone untill Spring? I feel like more kids and teams from youth to highschool would have a better opportunity to be able to have a season if we had a season March-May. My opinion
So I seen where it was asked what are the special rules in Hardin, Meade and Larue County Schools but never seen any answers do we have any yet.
1 hour ago, panthers said:So I seen where it was asked what are the special rules in Hardin, Meade and Larue County Schools but never seen any answers do we have any yet.
I saw that Larue could not practice this week because they designated it an NTI week.
What kind of guidelines is JCPS pushing out? I know FCPS has made it difficult for our Lexington schools.
23 hours ago, panthers said:I feel for you Coach its been way to long as it is and happy we go full force today. I hate it for all the coaches and kids that do have to miss out we have two that wont wrestle due to health concerns. I am sure it will affect all teams in some way. Sorry again coach.
All good. we've been fighting the fight for the kids. I just hate for them. On a positive side, we are getting stronger and more explosive in the weight room.
19 hours ago, CUTiger184 said:What kind of guidelines is JCPS pushing out? I know FCPS has made it difficult for our Lexington schools.
We aren’t allowed physical contact this week. It’s a week by week basis for us
I wonder how the private schools work like X, Cov Cath and Trinity since they’re independent bodies. Might come down to the archdiocese I would assume
Calloway has shut down this week and next in favor of NTI - No extracurriculars allowed
Pushing the start of season until Spring seems like the only option that could salvage a season. Is this being discussed? Sure wouldn't want to barge ahead ignoring the last two weeks of data and risk having it all shut down in January, costing another group of seniors their chance at one last state tourney. Just one fan's opinion. Not a coach or parent.
you could start in mid March, have a 6 week season and then Regions by mid-May. may even get lucky and not have to share gym space with bball teams.
2 hours ago, CradleKY said:Pushing the start of season until Spring seems like the only option that could salvage a season. Is this being discussed? Sure wouldn't want to barge ahead ignoring the last two weeks of data and risk having it all shut down in January, costing another group of seniors their chance at one last state tourney. Just one fan's opinion. Not a coach or parent.
I know starting season later has been huge topic of discussion between coaches, i think most are for it if it saves the season.
I also know a few have went to khsaa to ask about it, but from what I hear they basically say thanks for the input, its a fluid situation and we will see what happens.
Khsaa doesnt share information until decisions are made. So pretty much have to wait till nov 18th and see what happens in the board of control meeting.
You'd think we could look at how other states have hosted tournaments throughout the summer and implement what works. I'm not entirely sure how requiring everyone to have their own personal ankle bands will mitigate the spread of COVID. Perhaps the biggest issue I have with some of these regulations is the fact that the essence of the sport is being stripped. It takes a special person to embrace a sport that is dependent on making weight in the middle of winter during the holiday season while being exposed to bacterial, fungal, and VIRAL infections every year. That same individual must go out on the mat in front of a crowd and try to compress their opponents' shoulders to the mat without them letting you. It's physical problem solving with serious consequences. The fastest way for a match to end is for someone to end up in their most vulnerable position - on their back, looking at the lights. At which point, they get up and immediately shake their opponent's hand. Upon shaking hands with their opponent, they humbly walk to the opponent's coach and shake their hand as well. All of this happening in front of a crowd, after defeat. On the other hand, the victor gets praise in the form of the oldest way to declare a winner - raising of the hand at the end of a match. Perhaps more than just the physicality of the sport, it's the life lessons (respect, dignity, discipline, humility, etc) that last longer than any championship. Seems to me, most of those physical expressions have been taken away this year.
This may not be popular, but pushing the season back to march, means a lot of kids who also participate in spring sports will have to choose. Remember all spring sports were totally eliminated last year. So, I don't see that happening. They do not care about wrestling. Pushing football back a week, is evidence of that.
Most plans in regards to pushing winter sports to the spring also involves pushing spring sports to the summer
Khsaa updated agenda for nov 18th, wrestling will be discussed.
https://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting.aspx?PublicAgencyID=4374&PublicMeetingID=32345&AgencyTypeID=1
I really don't think that the KHSAA has given much thought to wrestling or even cares. You have over crowded regions that are going to have to have two day tournaments, while some regions won't even fill their portion of the brackets at state. They just added 4 teams to Region 2 when they should have realigned all the regions. Its ridiculous how uneven they are. On top of that, they should have brought back district tournaments to thin numbers in the post season.
Just to add to how badly there needs to be a realignment, Region 3 schools Drive past Region 4 schools to go to the Region 3 tournament. Region 4 has the lowest regional participants in the state by far with 4-5 man brackets being the norm
Well, here's to hoping the BoC makes a thoughtful decision on Wednesday. I'm not sure who has direct access to them, but I hope they realize there are significant unintended consequences for canceling winter sports.
On 11/15/2020 at 11:26 AM, FalconWrestling said:Just to add to how badly there needs to be a realignment, Region 3 schools Drive past Region 4 schools to go to the Region 3 tournament. Region 4 has the lowest regional participants in the state by far with 4-5 man brackets being the norm
Region 8 is basically everything east of I-75 with the exception of a couple of school. Harrison county to Letcher County for last years regional tournament is about 3.5 hours on a bus. I think the region is 15-16 teams.
Hopefully they make the correct call and push winter sports to the spring and spring to summer.
9 hours ago, FalconWrestling said:Hopefully they make the correct call and push winter sports to the spring and spring to summer.
Only issue with that could potentially be seniors playing their last high school baseball game a week before they're supposed to report to college. I'm not sure how that would play out for those wrestlers who have already committed to college. I have a feeling a lot will be ready to move on at that point. Nothing is going to be perfect, but wrestling (of which I am extremely biased) is a voluntary sport. If a team doesn't feel comfortable wrestling in the winter, they should be able to opt out without being second guessed or judged. However, those who want to wrestle, should at least be afforded the opportunity. There have been multiple tournaments throughout the country to look at and determine what works and what doesn't. There's no reason to cancel or postpone the season - especially since masks work and each match is only 5 minutes (with a potential of 7 minutes). In other words, kids won't be within 6ft of each other longer than 15 minutes (which I think is the guideline?).
If the season is postponed it will be because of the schools. Schools don't want kids at the school with the potential of spreading the virus. I'm not saying I agree but that is the issue.
The virus being spread at a tourney is not the issue its the spread at practice and possibly exposing others at the school not related to wrestling. Schools already have enough trouble just getting student in the classroom.
10 hours ago, GentleBeard said:Only issue with that could potentially be seniors playing their last high school baseball game a week before they're supposed to report to college. I'm not sure how that would play out for those wrestlers who have already committed to college. I have a feeling a lot will be ready to move on at that point. Nothing is going to be perfect, but wrestling (of which I am extremely biased) is a voluntary sport. If a team doesn't feel comfortable wrestling in the winter, they should be able to opt out without being second guessed or judged. However, those who want to wrestle, should at least be afforded the opportunity. There have been multiple tournaments throughout the country to look at and determine what works and what doesn't. There's no reason to cancel or postpone the season - especially since masks work and each match is only 5 minutes (with a potential of 7 minutes). In other words, kids won't be within 6ft of each other longer than 15 minutes (which I think is the guideline?).
If wrestling was voluntary most programs would be preparing for the season instead of sitting at home. I think 98% of the state has coaching staffs who want to be there with their kids and working. Right now, you have a lot who have been told go home until further notice. Some have had seasons cancelled. You think they/we would voluntarily come back? Hell yes they/we would. Wouldn't think twice about it.
If you asked me a few weeks ago, I would agree with you that we should keep going. But that was also before 3/4 of the state chalked it up and cancelled left and right. Is it possible, yes... Will it happen I HIGHLY doubt it. The entire is in the red and I know the data is skewed in certain counties. But the facts are still the facts. The entire state is red and the recommendations are being made to the superintendents and deans of schools to postpone. If you read the tea leaves, I expect us to be wrestling in 2021 and not 2020. I hate to say it that way and know a lot of kids have opportunities they are trying to work for.... Trust me I know. But you're starting to see the dominos fall and I expect tomorrow's BoC meeting to finalize what many of us think is going to occur. Which I hate it even with our season being taken from us.
Well, I believe we will be trading one set of burdens for another if coaches and kids aren't able to stay busy during the winter. I'm not sure what participation looks like for wrestling in the spring. But, I read some alarming statistics regarding mental health within the state this year. How do you mitigate the risk of a mental health crisis and COVID simultaneously when people are stuck inside in the winter, kids can't go to school, and it gets dark at 6pm? Perhaps I'm too optimistic, but I took it as a good sign that of the nearly 16,000 middle school and high school aged kids who have tested positive, there's a 100% survival rate (so far). The flu, by comparison, infected fewer and killed 4. I know I'm preaching to the choir.
52 minutes ago, GentleBeard said:Well, I believe we will be trading one set of burdens for another if coaches and kids aren't able to stay busy during the winter. I'm not sure what participation looks like for wrestling in the spring. But, I read some alarming statistics regarding mental health within the state this year. How do you mitigate the risk of a mental health crisis and COVID simultaneously when people are stuck inside in the winter, kids can't go to school, and it gets dark at 6pm? Perhaps I'm too optimistic, but I took it as a good sign that of the nearly 16,000 middle school and high school aged kids who have tested positive, there's a 100% survival rate (so far). The flu, by comparison, infected fewer and killed 4. I know I'm preaching to the choir.
You're going tic for tac. I know what the issues that are going on with no sports during the winter. I know. I deal with it daily and it will only become a bigger problem. In my opinion is a big problem that's not being addressed at all. Tomorrow will tell the story.
I don't see KHSAA shutting down sports. Football and Basketball are their bread winters and they can't afford to lose another season without having these sports participate.
Football will be completed in the next few weeks and I don't think they will let basketball shut down. So if basketball continues to play, they will have to let wrestling. KHSAA doesn't want that fight from all those parents on their doorstep. However the school boards may decide to close up some districts/regions, that's a totally different can of worms and I feel for those kids and schools that decide to go that route. I just pray and hope that these kids, especially the seniors get the chance to have their seasons. Best of luck and stay safe to you all!
12 hours ago, Bearcats Coach said:if basketball continues to play, they will have to let wrestling.
They don't have to. Wrestling is in the high risk category, and it is the highest of the high risk sports. That's all the justification they need to shut it down.
Getting pushed off like I figured. Jan. 4th-Apr. 3rd. HOPEFULLY some of us who have been cancelled will be given an opportunity!
30 minutes ago, halfhalfhalf said:Getting pushed off like I figured. Jan. 4th-Apr. 3rd. HOPEFULLY some of us who have been cancelled will be given an opportunity!
Its a new year, so...... I'm hoping it happens for you.
4 hours ago, halfhalfhalf said:Getting pushed off like I figured. Jan. 4th-Apr. 3rd. HOPEFULLY some of us who have been cancelled will be given an opportunity!
Where did you find the April 3rd date? When does post season start? State duals, regionals, state?
16 minutes ago, GentleBeard said:Where did you find the April 3rd date? When does post season start? State duals, regionals, state?
Julian said it during first meeting. It was also confirmed by a board member that was in the meeting
Will regionals be held the weekend of the 26th and 27th? Or the 19th and 20th to protect anyone who potentially has to quarantine after exposure at regionals? Also any word on the 2 pound allowance usually given after Christmas?
1 hour ago, CoachConder said:Will regionals be held the weekend of the 26th and 27th? Or the 19th and 20th to protect anyone who potentially has to quarantine after exposure at regionals? Also any word on the 2 pound allowance usually given after Christmas?
all info will be posted soon. We just simply know when the season is. Info will come. As soon as it does... Teater will post it.
So I spoke to Commissioner Barren this morning. While April 3rd is the date voted on in meeting yesterday, they still must make a final decision in December meeting based on venue and format. So looks like we are in "wait and see" mode again.
On 11/19/2020 at 7:30 AM, CoachConder said:Also any word on the 2 pound allowance usually given after Christmas?
It's a "growth" allowance. We should start the season with the allowance. The wrestlers didn't stop growing just because the season hadn't started yet.
Is there a possibility to add a sectional tournament in between region and state, so to have a smaller state tourney? (16 man brackets) Would be like the good ole days of district, region, state.
2 hours ago, Coach Burton said:It's a "growth" allowance. We should start the season with the allowance. The wrestlers didn't stop growing just because the season hadn't started yet.
Barren told me the 2lb allowance will be there after Christmas like normal. So we will have it all season
1 hour ago, grappler-of-old said:Is there a possibility to add a sectional tournament in between region and state, so to have a smaller state tourney? (16 man brackets) Would be like the good ole days of district, region, state.
Talking to Barren, all things are on the table right now. I mentioned the same thing to him, adding districts. Based on venue and restrictions, they will be looking at how many they can have at state
They need to do something. The regions were out of whack before this season, and already needed to be realigned. They added four teams to region 2, so now 2 and 7 both have something like 20 active teams. They should go ahead and realign the regions, then bring back the districts, permanently. Wasn't this the year for possible realignment anyway?
12 hours ago, Coach Burton said:They need to do something. The regions were out of whack before this season, and already needed to be realigned. They added four teams to region 2, so now 2 and 7 both have something like 20 active teams. They should go ahead and realign the regions, then bring back the districts, permanently. Wasn't this the year for possible realignment anyway?
Realignment is coming next year 100% is what I was told.
How would you like to see districts returned?
1 Break up the regions we have into 2 districts and still have a 32 man state tourney.
2. Keep the regions we have now and combine two regions into a district tourney and return to a 16 man state tourney.
Definitely Option 2. There’s no way you could divide up region 4 or region 3 into districts. They’re small enough as is now. I would love to see 16 man state brackets because you could possibly run the tournament on Friday night and Saturday like Indiana does.
8 hours ago, HawkeyeX125 said:Definitely Option 2. There’s no way you could divide up region 4 or region 3 into districts. They’re small enough as is now. I would love to see 16 man state brackets because you could possibly run the tournament on Friday night and Saturday like Indiana does.
After the realignment next year, I have a feeling that 3 and 4 will be getting much bigger.
9 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:How would you like to see districts returned?
1 Break up the regions we have into 2 districts and still have a 32 man state tourney.
2. Keep the regions we have now and combine two regions into a district tourney and return to a 16 man state tourney.
While I like 16 man state better, I dont see Khsaa giving up the money the 32 man brings on. Unless...... you split into 2 divisions(big and small) with two 16 man tournaments (plus sanction girls and do 8). This would also help region size as well and I believe it will help growth of teams. I know others disagree, but thats just my 2 cents.
1 hour ago, coachteater said:While I like 16 man state better, I dont see Khsaa giving up the money the 32 man brings on. Unless...... you split into 2 divisions(big and small) with two 16 man tournaments (plus sanction girls and do 8). This would also help region size as well and I believe it will help growth of teams. I know others disagree, but thats just my 2 cents.
Might as well give union the title every year if it breaks down into small/large schools.
Big School/Small School would be a good way to handle the growth that is happening. I know lots of people don’t like it but there is good and bad with anything we do. This would also go in line with State Duals. Regardless of what is to come change is sure to happen.
9 minutes ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:Might as well give union the title every year if it breaks down into small/large schools.
For now maybe and maybe for a long time, but things could change. You cant let that keep change coming if it would help wrestling as a whole. There's more dominant teams in other sports but they still play the games, look at assumption in volleyball or st x in swimming. Just because 1 team is good, doesnt mean you cant do things to improve.
As if Union doesn’t already win the title every year
edit- but to add I already coached in Div 1 Ohio meaning you had to accept that St. Ed’s was probably winning the title or be in Div 2 and know that Graham is going to win the title. Really just makes constant growth the goal see Aurora now
23 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:How would you like to see districts returned?
1 Break up the regions we have into 2 districts and still have a 32 man state tourney.
2. Keep the regions we have now and combine two regions into a district tourney and return to a 16 man state tourney.
Because I also believe the KHSAA will be reluctant to give up the $ from the 32 man bracket I probably say scenario 1. Realignment would be needed, but I would much prefer that over a large/small division. Back in the old days we had some great district rivalries and a lot of varied teams winning trophies.
On 11/25/2020 at 8:52 AM, ukpridewrestler11 said:Might as well give union the title every year if it breaks down into small/large schools.
So what? It's not Union's fault that no one can rise to their level right now. They have worked their tails off to build an amazing program there. It's not on them to stop winning titles. It's on everyone else to rise to their level.
On 11/25/2020 at 7:40 AM, coachteater said:While I like 16 man state better, I dont see Khsaa giving up the money the 32 man brings on. Unless...... you split into 2 divisions(big and small) with two 16 man tournaments (plus sanction girls and do 8). This would also help region size as well and I believe it will help growth of teams. I know others disagree, but thats just my 2 cents.
I like the idea of a split. It has helped other states grow wrestling and will certainly help us grow the sport here. If we remain a once class sport for now I'd like to see a district-region-32 man state set up with the girls state tournament at the same time.
1 hour ago, Coach Burton said:I like the idea of a split. It has helped other states grow wrestling and will certainly help us grow the sport here. If we remain a once class sport for now I'd like to see a district-region-32 man state set up with the girls state tournament at the same time.
I like this idea also. District and region would only take one day each. Districts can be built with about 6 teams in each district. Then the region would be an 8 man tourney that would also only take one day. I know that some districts would be very small in participants but having (2) one day tourneys can only help for the spectators.
I was not a believer in the 32 man state tourney helping the sport but it seems to have worked. Now if we can get a district tourney, then more kids will advance in the post season and spark more interest. Along with keeping the integrity of the (now) 32 man state tourney. Mostly, the same kids will still qualify for the state tourney.
Heck if you want you can make region a 10 man bracket to allow the top 5 from district to qualify. A ten man bracket can be built to not allow more than 5 matches.
18 minutes ago, CradleKY said:Big and small divisions and 32 man brackets? So 64 wrestlers qualify for state?
If it were split I would think it would go back to 16 man brackets for the time being. Expand the number of state participants as needed due to growth in the divisions. Set a threshold for the number of teams in the state, and when that threshold is reached, split the classes again. This has been proven to grow the sport quickly in other states. A bigger state tournament would also open up bigger and better venues.
On 11/30/2020 at 9:07 AM, CradleKY said:Big and small divisions and 32 man brackets? So 64 wrestlers qualify for state?
Ya I would prefer two 16 man brackets and KHSAA still gets to keep their money
Otherwise we run the risk of doing what Virginia did and divide into far too many classes making the state tournament overly long, boring, and less prestigious
Or Georgia. Has 7 divisions and with introducing the girls their state tournament is 4 days with one championship rd a day. In VA the have three different venues for 2 divisions each
Michigan does the same thing but you can see only take 14 regardless and there’s no team score at individuals
Fayette co:
No locker rooms
No carpooling
Temp check
Attendance turned in to a.d. each day
5 minutes ago, NO-OX 1 said:Any BOC updates for wrestling!!??
Nothing was black and white. Start practice December 14th. First competition is January 4th. However, no one seems to know how many teams can compete, if there will just be duals or individual tournaments, when or where the post season will take place. It would be helpful to know this information for scheduling purposes. All in all, it felt like they kicked the can, unfortunately.