Season flew by. 

To fast for sure but very happy we got to have a season. 

5 hours ago, BeastMode23 said:

To fast for sure but very happy we got to have a season. 

So true!!! Very lucky 

8 hours ago, BeastMode23 said:

To fast for sure but very happy we got to have a season. 

Man, I feel the opposite. For the first time ever I'm actually looking forward to the end of the season. So much up in the air, so many events cancelled, so hard to keep the boys motivated everyday since last summer...  

I'm grateful for what we had, I really am, but I hope and pray next season is back to normal. 

What are the big weight changes heading into regionals?  I can see kids moving with the way semi state is set up.  

2 hours ago, Chris Duke said:

What are the big weight changes heading into regionals?  I can see kids moving with the way semi state is set up.  

Stephen Little to 170... joking. Hopefully brackets get released early instead of right as the tournament starts. 

Looking at the information section on track it looks like something will be released Wednesday evening.  

10 minutes ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

Stephen Little to 170... joking. Hopefully brackets get released early instead of right as the tournament starts. 

Little would have to cut off a leg to make 170.  Kid is huge. It will be easier for kids to go up because of the decent plan.  I’m sure there will be a few seniors trying this to get out of semi state.  

When will brackets be made public?

Region 7 has been up since Sunday

9 hours ago, gator1 said:

Man, I feel the opposite. For the first time ever I'm actually looking forward to the end of the season. So much up in the air, so many events cancelled, so hard to keep the boys motivated everyday since last summer...  

I'm grateful for what we had, I really am, but I hope and pray next season is back to normal. 

I feel ya I really do it’s not the season we wanted. A lot has been against us this season which I think it’s all on called for but I don’t want to get on that subject lol but I am happy to see the kids get on the mat. 

6 hours ago, coachteater said:

Region 7 has been up since Sunday

Coach, do you know if KSHAA has any live stream plans for Regions this year ?  (Specifically Region 7, but i'm sure other Regions folks would be interested as well,  and KHSAA policy's generally prohibit members of the public streaming Regions and State Events)

24 minutes ago, grimmnar said:

Coach, do you know if KSHAA has any live stream plans for Regions this year ?  (Specifically Region 7, but i'm sure other Regions folks would be interested as well,  and KHSAA policy's generally prohibit members of the public streaming Regions and State Events)

 

 

None for regions. Teams are allowed to film their wrestlers,  just not 2 from other teams. Im sure that teams will be doing streams like on Facebook or Instagram 

So if all the teams agree to film their wrestlers on a single steam would that be allowed? 

ie; they all contract the same person. 

5 hours ago, coachteater said:

None for regions. Teams are allowed to film their wrestlers,  just not 2 from other teams. Im sure that teams will be doing streams like on Facebook or Instagram 

Thank you  !

4 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

So if all the teams agree to film their wrestlers on a single steam would that be allowed? 

ie; they all contract the same person. 

I've been trying to get region 6 schools to band together and get all the bouts streamed somehow. Last I heard, they were in talks with Barren and the boys on how we could make that possible. 

Region 6 is open

29 minutes ago, Chris Duke said:

Region 6 is open

Region 3, weigh in and make the finals. 

Ncaa brackets are out!!! Too bad region 2 and region 8 aren’t. 

2 hours ago, DrBaker said:

Ncaa brackets are out!!! Too bad region 2 and region 8 aren’t. 

I bet Region 8 won’t be out until the morning of. They never are for some reason. 

Region 2 is out now. They have an undefeated state champ that has beaten the number 2(major decision) and # 3(fall) in his weight as a 2 seed. 

6 hours ago, Bluesdad said:

I bet Region 8 won’t be out until the morning of. They never are for some reason. 

You are probably correct.  The seeding meet is usually held Friday evening before.

I think this is just bad managing by the state. There is no way this is fair to other regions if region 8 can wait until the day before or of to seed and generate brackets. They have the opportunity to look at everyone else in the state before making a decision to where they have the best opportunity for their kids. The state should not let brackets be released until a certain day by all. Seeding meetings done on the Thursday prior to districts and brackets open by all Friday morning. You are just asking for trouble with the way this has been handled.

6 minutes ago, 119Rider said:

I think this is just bad managing by the state. There is no way this is fair to other regions if region 8 can wait until the day before or of to seed and generate brackets. They have the opportunity to look at everyone else in the state before making a decision to where they have the best opportunity for their kids. The state should not let brackets be released until a certain day by all. Seeding meetings done on the Thursday prior to districts and brackets open by all Friday morning. You are just asking for trouble with the way this has been handled.

Even though region 7 does ours on Sunday before,  we still have the opportunity to move kids during supplemental meeting after weigh in on Friday.  And if say a 152 moves up to 160, we vote as a region on if the wrestler is seedable or not. If yes, we seed them in, if not they go to the last spot. 

21 minutes ago, 119Rider said:

I think this is just bad managing by the state. There is no way this is fair to other regions if region 8 can wait until the day before or of to seed and generate brackets. They have the opportunity to look at everyone else in the state before making a decision to where they have the best opportunity for their kids. The state should not let brackets be released until a certain day by all. Seeding meetings done on the Thursday prior to districts and brackets open by all Friday morning. You are just asking for trouble with the way this has been handled.

Doing it late gives no advantage.  Since the semi-state will be seeded, and the ability to change weight classes prior to the beginning of the regional tourney. 

This is what I find appalling. 

Participants per region.

1.  112 (No Ft. Camp)

2.  144 (No Ft. Knox)

3.  80

4.  76

5. 105

6. 146

7.  145

8. ????

Semi-state per region

1/2.   256

3/4   156

5/6  251

7/8  ????

Regions 2, 6 and 7 have almost as many participants in their region as the semi-state 3/4 (Yet they still take top 2 from each region)

I know that KHSAA does not care about comparing competition in regions but they should look at participation in regions when they re-district. 

24 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

Doing it late gives no advantage.  Since the semi-state will be seeded, and the ability to change weight classes prior to the beginning of the regional tourney. 

Not true. They can still switch around weight classes. They can look at the competing region and move around kids accordingly. 

40 minutes ago, coachteater said:

Even though region 7 does ours on Sunday before,  we still have the opportunity to move kids during supplemental meeting after weigh in on Friday.  And if say a 152 moves up to 160, we vote as a region on if the wrestler is seedable or not. If yes, we seed them in, if not they go to the last spot. 

These brackets aren’t set in stone? A kid can show up Sat morning and still move up a weight? 

3 minutes ago, DrBaker said:

These brackets aren’t set in stone? A kid can show up Sat morning and still move up a weight? 

I’ve been asking for a realignment in regards to regions 3 and 4 for a couple years now. Region 4 has 9 programs in it and only four of those programs have over 10 kids in them. 
 

Region 4 has been bleeding programs for a couple years now- Eastern and Jtown dropped with several other programs on life support

10 minutes ago, DrBaker said:

These brackets aren’t set in stone? A kid can show up Sat morning and still move up a weight? 

This is not new.  As long as I have been in wrestling.  (80s) This has been the case.

I personally don't see a problem.  This mostly helps the small struggling programs, to allow a kid to move up b/c of missing weight.

Who cares if a kid moves up because of the competition?  He still has to beat the kid in front of him. 

Isn't the goal to get the best kids to move on?  If it is someone from a lower wt. class that can move up and still win then let it be so. 

18 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

This is not new.  As long as I have been in wrestling.  (80s) This has been the case.

I personally don't see a problem.  This mostly helps the small struggling programs, to allow a kid to move up b/c of missing weight.

Who cares if a kid moves up because of the competition?  He still has to beat the kid in front of him. 

Isn't the goal to get the best kids to move on?  If it is someone from a lower wt. class that can move up and still win then let it be so. 

That is a competitive disadvantage to those schools who set their lineups and hold their kids accountable to that weight. If I am the third best wrestler at 120, and see every bracket come out before me and think I should wrestle at 126 because it gives me an advantage, then that is not good for the sport. Or my coach moves kids around because he thinks they can win a championship if some guys go to a different weight. The other schools did not have the same opportunity because their bracket did not show up until the day of competitions before a decision could be made. 

11 minutes ago, 119Rider said:

That is a competitive disadvantage to those schools who set their lineups and hold their kids accountable to that weight. If I am the third best wrestler at 120, and see every bracket come out before me and think I should wrestle at 126 because it gives me an advantage, then that is not good for the sport. Or my coach moves kids around because he thinks they can win a championship if some guys go to a different weight. The other schools did not have the same opportunity because their bracket did not show up until the day of competitions before a decision could be made. 

I get the theory, but taking this route a coach would be screwing over at least one kid, and possibly more. Sitting a kid out of region last minute isn't going to win many friends on the team you coach, or of parents. Not only that, these moves wouldn't happen in a vacuum...unless you'd somehow become stronger in all the weight classes affected, why do it? And if that's the case, you probably made that decision to do the move well in advance of region brackets being made.

6 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:

I get the theory, but taking this route a coach would be screwing over at least one kid, and possibly more. Sitting a kid out of region last minute isn't going to win many friends on the team you coach, or of parents. Not only that, these moves wouldn't happen in a vacuum...unless you'd somehow become stronger in all the weight classes affected, why do it? And if that's the case, you probably made that decision to do the move well in advance of region brackets being made.

Ive done it before, but its because their was a hole at upper class. Did it last year. Had 1st year senior at 182 lb . Bumped him to 195 and he made state.

5 minutes ago, coachteater said:

Ive done it before, but its because their was a hole at upper class. Did it last year. Had 1st year senior at 182 lb . Bumped him to 195 and he made state.

Yep. Had a kid who won a region championship like that a couple years ago. But again, there was a hole in the spot in the lineup. And it allowed another kid a shot to wrestle at region. But we made the bump weeks before region. Most teams with championship aspirations, aren't going to have many holes, and likely wouldn't wait around until the night before region to make this type of decision.

1 minute ago, rjs4470 said:

Yep. Had a kid who won a region championship like that a couple years ago. But again, there was a hole in the spot in the lineup. And it allowed another kid a shot to wrestle at region. But we made the bump weeks before region. Most teams with championship aspirations, aren't going to have many holes, and likely wouldn't wait around until the night before region to make this type of decision.

You might be underestimating some teams out there. 

56 minutes ago, 119Rider said:

That is a competitive disadvantage to those schools who set their lineups and hold their kids accountable to that weight. If I am the third best wrestler at 120, and see every bracket come out before me and think I should wrestle at 126 because it gives me an advantage, then that is not good for the sport. Or my coach moves kids around because he thinks they can win a championship if some guys go to a different weight. The other schools did not have the same opportunity because their bracket did not show up until the day of competitions before a decision could be made. 

I think we are talking about 2 different things.  I am only talking about looking at the region and deciding what wt. to change to.  I really don't think that a wrestler/coach would look at the brackets of other regions to see where to go for the state tourney.  Most of those decisions were already made prior to the regional tourney.  With all the data and rankings out there those type of decisions are already made prior to the seed meeting. 

The highlighted part happens all the time in every sport. No different than a baseball coach changing starting pitchers last minute because he sees a bad matchup. 

Happens at state duals all the time. 

I don't think you necessarily need a hole in a lineup this year to do it.  I am the fourth best wrestler at my weight but I have wrestled down and up several times during the year because we wrestled duals. In the other region, two kids came down that beat me to make me the four seed. My coach comes to me and says, I have looked at brackets and our 52, who is a stud, is going 45 and you will go 52 where I will be the 2 seed. We are going to do this the weekend of regionals. Only way I could know who was in that bracket at the other regional is because it came out before my region. If the brackets came out at the same time, every coach would have that decision to make and not just the coach who is building the team for a championship run. I just think that if everyone else can build their brackets and have them open to the public 3 days in advance, then why cant this region follow suit. Every other state has a protocol that is followed, when I coached here in Missouri it was seeding meeting on Thursday prior to district. Brackets were built that day, state did not allow us to share that information with the public until Friday when wrestling started. Its just like the draws for state, no one knows until all districts are finished, then the state comes out or you would have guys forfeiting all over the place to avoid tough wrestlers until the finals.

Each region does different based on what works for them. Region 7 does sunday because we have 18 teams and teams that are up to 2 hours away. Also at times it has took us over 3 hrs to do it. Getting all of us together on a weekend is a mess. But a region like 3 who is smaller and all very close, they can knock it out quick on a week day, then they have their Sunday to rest,  which coaches get little of in season. 

In the years past many many people have complained about brackets not coming out until the day of the tourney.  Now most have put them out and the opposite is happening.  This is the 1st time region 6 has put the brackets out before the region started.  

I personally agree that the brackets should not be put out until the tourney starts.  There are always changes made so why post them.  

1 minute ago, grappler-of-old said:

I think we are talking about 2 different things.  I am only talking about looking at the region and deciding what wt. to change to.  I really don't think that a wrestler/coach would look at the brackets of other regions to see where to go for the state tourney.  Most of those decisions were already made prior to the regional tourney.  With all the data and rankings out there those type of decisions are already made prior to the seed meeting. 

The highlighted part happens all the time in every sport. No different than a baseball coach changing starting pitchers last minute because he sees a bad matchup. 

The baseball analogy doesn't work here. He didn't have to weigh in prior to the game. LOL, also once he wrestles that weight at regionals, the second round he can't change weights because of a bad match up.

I understand what you are saying, just don't agree. I think it is up to the coach.  I personally have not don't think I ever would do this. Actually told Goo Jr. years ago to stay at a weight that was more difficult. 

None of this jockeying by looking at brackets really matters when they can just move around Sat morning. 

47 minutes ago, DrBaker said:

None of this jockeying by looking at brackets really matters when they can just move around Sat morning. 

And in most cases, the move can only be up. A move down will usually require more than one weeks planning because of weight management. The other piece to the puzzle, is the most important tournament in all of this is the Region. If you can't find your way out of region, or get a poor seed coming out of region, that's not going to be of much help down the road. You have be able to at least challenge for a region title, in order for any move to make sense. In almost every sport, looking ahead will usually get you in trouble.

4 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:

And in most cases, the move can only be up. A move down will usually require more than one weeks planning because of weight management. The other piece to the puzzle, is the most important tournament in all of this is the Region. If you can't find your way out of region, or get a poor seed coming out of region, that's not going to be of much help down the road. You have be able to at least challenge for a region title, in order for any move to make sense. In almost every sport, looking ahead will usually get you in trouble.

Region 3 and 4 can look ahead. Win no matches or even 1 match and you're in the finals of regionals. 

1 hour ago, 119Rider said:

I don't think you necessarily need a hole in a lineup this year to do it.  I am the fourth best wrestler at my weight but I have wrestled down and up several times during the year because we wrestled duals. In the other region, two kids came down that beat me to make me the four seed. My coach comes to me and says, I have looked at brackets and our 52, who is a stud, is going 45 and you will go 52 where I will be the 2 seed. We are going to do this the weekend of regionals. Only way I could know who was in that bracket at the other regional is because it came out before my region. If the brackets came out at the same time, every coach would have that decision to make and not just the coach who is building the team for a championship run. I just think that if everyone else can build their brackets and have them open to the public 3 days in advance, then why cant this region follow suit. Every other state has a protocol that is followed, when I coached here in Missouri it was seeding meeting on Thursday prior to district. Brackets were built that day, state did not allow us to share that information with the public until Friday when wrestling started. Its just like the draws for state, no one knows until all districts are finished, then the state comes out or you would have guys forfeiting all over the place to avoid tough wrestlers until the finals.

In the case you mention, would the brackets from the other regions really make a difference? And with weight management, a move down likely won't even be possible unless the stud 152 weighed in within a couple of lbs of the 145 limit last week. Most of these moves are going to be moves up, which in many cases will put your wrestler at a disadvantage in size.

Just now, ukpridewrestler11 said:

Region 3 and 4 can look ahead. Win no matches or even 1 match and you're in the finals of regionals. 

That's a whole other issue, one that i would say is a much bigger problem in the post season than last minute weight changes because of bracket release timing.

4 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

This is what I find appalling. 

Participants per region.

1.  112 (No Ft. Camp)

2.  144 (No Ft. Knox)

3.  80

4.  76

5. 105

6. 146

7.  145

8. ????

Semi-state per region

1/2.   256

3/4   156

5/6  251

7/8  ????

Regions 2, 6 and 7 have almost as many participants in their region as the semi-state 3/4 (Yet they still take top 2 from each region)

I know that KHSAA does not care about comparing competition in regions but they should look at participation in regions when they re-district. 

 

 

Looking like Region 8 will have anywhere from 140-150

Is Moore HS out for region?  Don’t see them in the brackets. 

4 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

Is Moore HS out for region?  Don’t see them in the brackets. 

Their girls were out of girls state as well

We had a wrestler exposed to covid at Middle School Regionals. 

This wrestler tested positive that Sunday and we immediately went into quarantine while trying to contact JCPS about the situation. JCPS would not inform us of the protocol but we chose to quarantine anyway. We never held a practice with said wrestler.

A parent from another school was somehow informed about our situation and called JCPS on Wednesday demanding we get taken out of the tournament. We were then informed that per JCPS policy we couldn’t compete until Sunday March 14th. We tried to move the regional tournament to Sunday but KHSAA wouldn’t allow it, we tried to appeal the JCPS decision and they said no

Really hate to hear that for the Moore kids. 

32 minutes ago, FalconWrestling said:

We had a wrestler exposed to covid at Middle School Regionals. 

This wrestler tested positive that Sunday and we immediately went into quarantine while trying to contact JCPS about the situation. JCPS would not inform us of the protocol but we chose to quarantine anyway. We never held a practice with said wrestler.

A parent from another school was somehow informed about our situation and called JCPS on Wednesday demanding we get taken out of the tournament. We were then informed that per JCPS policy we couldn’t compete until Sunday March 14th. We tried to move the regional tournament to Sunday but KHSAA wouldn’t allow it, we tried to appeal the JCPS decision and they said no

Who wants to bet it was the parent of a 145lb wrestler?

9 minutes ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

Who wants to bet it was the parent of a 145lb wrestler?

Lol.....Manual of all schools from what I understand. Best wishes to everyone this weekend. 
In addition to that, according to Metro Health Department, the wrestler who tested positive is no longer in quarantine. Michael Barren, from KHSAA, hung up on me and would not tell me why if all coaches were willing to wrestle on Sunday that KHSAA would still not allow that. 

1 hour ago, Kylemckune said:

Lol.....Manual of all schools from what I understand. Best wishes to everyone this weekend. 
In addition to that, according to Metro Health Department, the wrestler who tested positive is no longer in quarantine. Michael Barren, from KHSAA, hung up on me and would not tell me why if all coaches were willing to wrestle on Sunday that KHSAA would still not allow that. 

The KHSAA is just showing their true colors now. Not going to be too many friends for them in the wrestling community. Such a terrible organization. No one will change my opinion of those buffoons in the KHSAA.

Region 8 still does not have their brackets out.  Surely they started today since they have a couple of brackets over 10. 

They are out now. No big surprises. Jc takes all 14 to semistate and possibly 14 to state. 

9 hours ago, DrBaker said:

They are out now. No big surprises. Jc takes all 14 to semistate and possibly 14 to state. 

I will take that bet. I got them at 12

the fact that kids who were never exposed and kids who would test negative are being denied is what hurts me the most

thoughts?

22 hours ago, thegreatgatsby said:

thoughts?

 

In all seriousness, who does the KHSAA answer to? 

On 3/12/2021 at 11:32 PM, DrBaker said:

They are out now. No big surprises. Jc takes all 14 to semistate and possibly 14 to state. 

Pretty amazing feat since they only had wrestlers in 13 weight classes.

27 minutes ago, GentleBeard said:

In all seriousness, who does the KHSAA answer to? 

The State Board of Education

25 minutes ago, VisionQuest said:

Pretty amazing feat since they only had wrestlers in 13 weight classes.

Yeah, only 13 of 13 in the finals and 11 champs. 

Why did regions wrestle to 6 if they aren’t accepting alternates?

4 hours ago, bestmistake33 said:

Why did regions wrestle to 6 if they aren’t accepting alternates?

Why are the having wrestle backs at semi state when only the top 2 advance???

To allow the wrestlers as close to a real post season as possible.  However looks like region 4 was the only one who didn't wrestle for 5th. Not sure why they had plenty of time to do so. 

Placement points (to 6th place) go towards team scores for a team region title.  

A kick in the nuts= wrestling back to 3rd in semi state when your only loss was to the champ. 

15 minutes ago, DrBaker said:

A kick in the nuts= wrestling back to 3rd in semi state when your only loss was to the champ. 

^^^^ and unable to advance in a "double elimination tournament" with 1 loss.  $20 dollar entry fee for semi-state is a bit ridiculous as well...

19 minutes ago, GentleBeard said:

^^^^ and unable to advance in a "double elimination tournament" with 1 loss.  $20 dollar entry fee for semi-state is a bit ridiculous as well...

That’s probably just to soften everyone up for what comes the next week. I’m guessing 2 sessions $20-$25 entry per session. Clear out the gym and have everyone return for medal matches (session 2). 

31 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:

That’s probably just to soften everyone up for what comes the next week. I’m guessing 2 sessions $20-$25 entry per session. Clear out the gym and have everyone return for medal matches (session 2). 

Please tell me your kidding!! Can this really get any more ridiculous? Don’t answer that, we know the answer is yes!!! 

4 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

That’s probably just to soften everyone up for what comes the next week. I’m guessing 2 sessions $20-$25 entry per session. Clear out the gym and have everyone return for medal matches (session 2). 

This is just depressing. 

58 minutes ago, DrBaker said:

This is just depressing. 

Brackets are out