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What state champ will be most dominant

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Sullivan will pin throughout tourney at 103.

Wolsifer's closest match will be a major. 2/4 pins, 1 tech, 1 major

Stark's closest match will be a major. 3/4 pins.

Cooper, without Banks at 152, will tech or pin everyone.

Peace's closest match will be a major. 1 pin, 2 techs, 1 major

Sullivan will pin throughout tourney at 103.

Wolsifer's closest match will be a major. 2/4 pins, 1 tech, 1 major

Stark's closest match will be a major. 3/4 pins.

Cooper, without Banks at 152, will tech or pin everyone.

Peace's closest match will be a major. 1 pin, 2 techs, 1 major

sullivan will not pin elliot. elliot is just too good now to get pinned, but i dont think that he'll win. sullivan will win in a close match. wolsifer or byrd will be the most dominate at state in terms of the score or their matches, but in terms of who will be in complete control for the entire match, every match, it will be ben warner. i dont see him ever in danger of losing a match at state, he will control every match he wrestles in from start to finish.

Banks would beat Cooper in my opinion

Sullivan won't pin through in my opinion, Elliot Martin will eat his legs alive before he ever thought about going upper body, this will slow the match down. I think he'll probably win, but he won't pin through.

I don't know what to say about starks, i dont know if he's even wrestled yet.

Cooper is a very solid wrestler, it COULD be possible for him to Maj-Dec. even banks. Not taking from banks, he is a very good wrestler as well.

Peace won't Major Jackson, i don't even think he'll beat him.

Wolsiefer in my opinion will dominate his class with most authority. he may only win by 6-8 points in a match or two, but the only points i see anyone scoring on him are escapes... and thats probably him letting them up.

I believe Banks is also a very solid wrestler not knocking Cooper but i truly believe Banks will beat him. throw Sheehan in the mix and man what a trio you have there.

I think Sullivan wins at 103 without worrying too much, but I hope the bracket doesn't fall in his favor and he has to go through the toughest guys to win it.

I like Peace and obviously think he will win it (I've had him #1 all year), but I don't see him majoring Jackson.

Warner is the man at 135, but Butler has shown he can hang with him.  He may never have threatened, but when the match is close anything can happen.

Starks will be tested by at least Jones.

My pick for the most dominant is Wolsiefer.  I think he will be pumped and ready to go and dominate everyone.  He will be close to all pins or techs.  I know Choate has hung in there with him, but I think John will take it to another level in Frankfort.

I'm not 100% sure on that score of the Choate/Wolfe match. I think it was 4-2. Or somethin' right around there.

Woelsifer

Sullivan will not go 103. He weighed in yesterday at a little over 112.

112.7, his coach said he's there the rest of the season... daniels and vinsant are both back up as well

I think sullivan is permanately at 112. Jeff warra gave sullivan a very good match this weekend, losing 6-2. I predict it will be even closer next time. The clock ran down as he was about to score a second reversal.

Sullivan will pin throughout tourney at 103.

Wolsifer's closest match will be a major. 2/4 pins, 1 tech, 1 major

Stark's closest match will be a major. 3/4 pins.

Cooper, without Banks at 152, will tech or pin everyone.

Peace's closest match will be a major. 1 pin, 2 techs, 1 major

In my opinion Starks will have the closest match of the state tournament with Mark Jones.

I think sullivan is permanately at 112. Jeff warra gave sullivan a very good match this weekend, losing 6-2. I predict it will be even closer next time. The clock ran down as he was about to score a second reversal.

So Sullivan is at 112 for the rest of the season

tyler voth has only had 2 matches to go all three periods this year and his closest match was a win over dan fuller(ranked 4th) which he won by 12 points

IMO the most dominant will be Josh Cooper at 152. 

Who has given him a close match this year?  He walked throught the NKAC untouched.  Pinning Golsby in the second but dominating him with little problems. 

Banks is a good/great wrestler but IMO not in Coopers league especially since he is just now starting his season.

IMO the most dominant will be Josh Cooper at 152. 

Who has given him a close match this year?  He walked throught the NKAC untouched.  Pinning Golsby in the second but dominating him with little problems. 

Banks is a good/great wrestler but IMO not in Coopers league especially since he is just now starting his season.

Cooper is a good/great wrestler too and I have a lot of respect for him (as I do for all of the Coopers), but I think you have to take into account last year when 145 was stacked, and after Courtney handled Cooper rather eaisly at the super duals, Cooper bailed out and went to a very weak 152 class (wxcept for Wolsifer). Courtney, Banks, Aylor, Wilson and others stuck it out to the end in one of the toughest weight classes ever. There are kids outside of Northern Kentucky who know how to wrestle too and I sometimes think you guys have it in your head because you are able to go to a few Ohio tournaments that the NK kids are just somehow better than everybody else. I will guarentee you that Banks and Ervin are well into Coopers league and I guess we'll just have to see if they are better. I think the last time Banks and Cooper met, Banks came out on top in that one and as for the injury, that could very well be a positive for him since he ought to be real fresh come next month and not all beat up from three months of wrestling, wrestling practice and weight cutting.

If I'm not mistaken Golsby wrestled Irvin this weekend and hung in there losing 10-3.  Granted it was almost a major but Golsby was not dominated like he was against Cooper.  Golsby looked to be in the match, but just could not get it together.  This is why I used another Nky wrestler.

OK,  I'll wait to see Banks but right now from what I saw Irving is nowhere near Cooper. 

Going to Ohio tourneys does not make Nky feel superior.  It's just closer to travel and usually better competition.  And Better competition almost always makes a team better.  In the 80's Christian Co. and Hopkinsville did the same thing by going to Missouri, which made Wky the top dogs of the 80's. 

Ill still put my bet on Banks

but I think you have to take into account last year when 145 was stacked, and after Courtney handled Cooper rather eaisly at the super duals, Cooper bailed out and went to a very weak 152 class (wxcept for Wolsifer). Courtney, Banks, Aylor, Wilson and others stuck it out to the end in one of the toughest weight classes ever.

I'm not sure why this has to be taken into account.  

1.  He was only at 145 because Austin was at 152 and moved up when Austin moved to 160

2.  He was struggling with the weight all year

3.  He defeated Wilson at the NKAC

4.  This was last year and he did hang with Wolsiefer, if not for an end of the period lapse he would have been the state champion. (Yes I know, the same should be said about Banks, I blieve he should have won 145)

If I'm not mistaken Golsby wrestled Irvin this weekend and hung in there losing 10-3.  Granted it was almost a major but Golsby was not dominated like he was against Cooper.  Golsby looked to be in the match, but just could not get it together.  This is why I used another Nky wrestler.

OK,  I'll wait to see Banks but right now from what I saw Irving is nowhere near Cooper. 

Going to Ohio tourneys does not make Nky feel superior.  It's just closer to travel and usually better competition.  And Better competition almost always makes a team better.  In the 80's Christian Co. and Hopkinsville did the same thing by going to Missouri, which made Wky the top dogs of the 80's. 

i disagree, from what I saw golsby was handledby irving. I believe irving cut him loose 3 times and then dominated him on his feet.

Peace is very tough along with Cooper in Nky

I haven't seen cooper this year, i'm just going on what I saw last year at state

I think there is enough depth at 152 that none of those guys will dominate the field.  I see Cooper, Banks, and Ervin all pretty equal with Sheehan, Golsby, and Hitchings close enough to make those guys work for the win.

As I said, I'm not disrespecting anybody here, just trying to defend these other kids in the state who work just as hard and wrestle just as tough competition as the NK kids do. I haven't seen Cooper this year either (since I didn't go to the super duals). I know Wheeler choked him til he passed out and he came back and pinned Wheeler who was bad out of shape. As far as the NK kids this year, Golsby has never really beaten any "quality" opponents, has he? I'm real impressed by Thueneman this year but apparently he's either not good enough or lacks the savvy to beat Courtney (0-2 this year). I don't know for sure if Cooper left 145 to go to 152 because of Austin or not, I do believe the three in Region 6 at 145 last year klind of took turns beating each other and I figured he was not wanting to risk losing a #1 seed at state, that's all.

C'mon Ranger, let us boys have a little fun! OBTW, I need to PM you with some recent happenings, but I'll probably wait til tomorrow, need to get some shut-eye.

C'mon Ranger, let us boys have a little fun! OBTW, I need to PM you with some recent happenings, but I'll probably wait til tomorrow, need to get some shut-eye.

I'm all for a little fun.  I just wanted to chime in with my 2 cents worth.  It was probably only worth a penny since I didn't go out on a limb; just took the safe bet.

This is really an epic battle:

1) Banks - one of the most successful wrestlers in the history of one of the best programs in the state, all he is missing is a state title

2) Cooper - following in the line of a great wrestling family; a Cooper has won a title for 6 years in a row (7 total titles), can he keep the streak going?

3) Ervin - another great wrestling family (5 titles, I believe)

One of these guys will wake up greatly disappointed on February 18.  And Banks and Cooper don't get another shot.

Sorry to just come out of no where.. but northern kentucky wrestlers have an advantage by wrestling in ohio it does have alot of good competition which comes out with better wrestlers... but overall i think it will depend on heart on who wins it this year... who is the most into wrestling, and who wants it the baddest.

Umm I think Wolsifer will by far be the most dominate this year, or maybe even byrd.  Call me crazy but I have a gut feeling that Sullivan wont win state at 112. Also going out on a limb here, but I honestley believe that Sheehan can hang with Cooper, Banks, and Ervin, he is looking very good this year.

Neither Cooper nor Banks will have any trouble with any opponent down state. Mitch is a great kid but will lose by a major against either of the above. Cooper and Banks are just that much ahead of the game. Physically, Banks is superior. Technically, Cooper is superior. I believe its a draw between them. Certainly, neither will dominate one another. Mitch is very physical and technical but not quite at their level yet. Perhaps another year and he'll be there. Hitchings is a good kid but will be pinned in Frankfort by all 3 of the above.

As I mentioned before, Wolsifer walks through unscathed and unchallenged. He will eat people alive down state. I believe him to be most dominant and probably most outstanding wrestler.

Choate will not last more than 2 periods.

Byrd may have a chance of winning, but he will not "dominate" the South Oldham Heavy. I believe I read somewhere that Byrd got pinned by South Oldham earlier???

I still believe Sullivan elevates down state and walks through at 112. He is an animal, both physically and technically. He may not pin all the way through, but no one will legitimately challenge him.

 

warner or wolfiser hands downthey will control every match

I can't wait to see the Banks/Cooper match!  And don't count out Sheehan.  Has Hitchings wrestled anyone this year?  I saw he placed well (won?)at the Indiana tournament. Has he wrestled Banks, Cooper, Irvin or Sheehan all year?, besides a chance at State Duals.  Just don't think he is at their level yet.  But he is only a freshman and could be a multiple time champ.

My vote in this weight class is Banks.

Most dominant, I'll go with Wolsifer.  And then Warner.

Neither Cooper nor Banks will have any trouble with any opponent down state. Mitch is a great kid but will lose by a major against either of the above. Cooper and Banks are just that much ahead of the game. Physically, Banks is superior. Technically, Cooper is superior. I believe its a draw between them. Certainly, neither will dominate one another. Mitch is very physical and technical but not quite at their level yet. Perhaps another year and he'll be there. Hitchings is a good kid but will be pinned in Frankfort by all 3 of the above.

As I mentioned before, Wolsifer walks through unscathed and unchallenged. He will eat people alive down state. I believe him to be most dominant and probably most outstanding wrestler.

Choate will not last more than 2 periods.

Byrd may have a chance of winning, but he will not "dominate" the South Oldham Heavy. I believe I read somewhere that Byrd got pinned by South Oldham earlier???

I still believe Sullivan elevates down state and walks through at 112. He is an animal, both physically and technically. He may not pin all the way through, but no one will legitimately challenge him.

   

how can you say that no one will legitamately challenge him, he has already had 2 almost losses to Warra 6-2 and voth 6-4 both matches were very close. I am not saying that he doesn't have a good chance of winning it, I am just stating that he could be knocked off by 5 or 6 of the wrestlers ranked below him. And I am sure that carr is hungry for him...

Tyler Voth has been dominating this year, I think his closest match was like 12-4 against the #4 ranked kid. If Cody Lewis is going 30 he could be one of the most dominant come the state tourney.

Please notice that I said Sullivan "elevates" down state. Sullivan is no stranger to being a champ. I remember Sullivan, as a freshman, pinning every opponent in the state tournament, including the finals.  Getting close to beating someone during the season is no where near the same as giving them a good match down state. Sullivan will elevate when it counts and consequently dominate all opponents. He may have a match within several points, but I seriously doubt he will ever be in jeopardy of losing. Don't bet against Sullivan. He will be the 4th wrestler in Ky history to ever be a 4 time state champ.

voths match with fuller was 22-11 and he won the 3rd period by around 10, he would have tech falled had he not come out flat in the 1st and 2nd. he also pinned sloan who is ranked 3rd in the 2nd period and he was winning 7-1

tyler voth has only had 2 matches to go all three periods this year and his closest match was a win over dan fuller(ranked 4th) which he won by 12 points

yeah can't rule out voth. although i did go until the third. With 11 seconds left i got techfalled because of near fall. i'm working hard to try and make it all three periods.

Yea im pretty much stickin with voth and sullivan as the best

i did say you can't rule out Voth, and you can't. unless he does what he did last year. went into state undefeated, haden't had a very close match all year, then got beat in the finals to murner, who he had techfalled earlier in the year. no disrespect to him, but if he wants to be the most dominant wrestler at state, or win for that matter, he'll have to go to state to wrestle this year.

Please notice that I said Sullivan "elevates" down state. Sullivan is no stranger to being a champ. I remember Sullivan, as a freshman, pinning every opponent in the state tournament, including the finals.  Getting close to beating someone during the season is no where near the same as giving them a good match down state. Sullivan will elevate when it counts and consequently dominate all opponents. He may have a match within several points, but I seriously doubt he will ever be in jeopardy of losing. Don't bet against Sullivan. He will be the 4th wrestler in Ky history to ever be a 4 time state champ.

every year come state sullivan has been having closer matches with key people in his weight class, to name a few 2005- pinned car and parks 2006- beat carr 5-0 beat parks 2-0... other people get better too...

Harrison Courtney is going to bash on everyone he wrestles... hands down the most dominant!!!

Courtney isn't going to bash everyone because he almost lost to thuneman a little while ago

Courtney isn't going to bash everyone because he almost lost to thuneman a little while ago

that's what I was thinking.  If Thuneman stays at 145 I could see him beating Courtney.

i think there are a few more than just what you have mentioed  martin no one has been close-eck again no one close-warner again no one has been close voth-and i am shur thier are others but any given day any one of these guys could hit a road block so i think they should all take it one match at a time and when saturday night isover we will seewho  is the most dominet state champ wont we  good luck to everyone of you with the rest of your season

I only see voth and sullivan walking through state

sullivan will not walk through state at 112 hes already had 2 close matches this year and he hasnt wrestled carr who is looking very strong

I am gonna have to say wolsifer  is easily going to dominate 160 There is no one there. Voth will beat whoever and sullivan is the favorate to win of course but there are definatly 2-3 guys chasing him right now.

i think there are a few more than just what you have mentioed  martin no one has been close-eck again no one close

I've wrestled eck at 130 and he didnt beat me by that much to be a state champ. I think it was maybe 6 points, and that's not to mention i bumped up. so to say he's had no close matches is wrong, at least to compare that close of a match to the other kids you are talking about who's closest match is ten or more points. eck is good, but not the most dominant, but i havent seen him wrestle since he beat me and that was the very first tournament of the season, maybe he's progressed and i havent seen it.

I've wrestled eck at 130 and he didnt beat me by that much to be a state champ. I think it was maybe 6 points, and that's not to mention i bumped up. so to say he's had no close matches is wrong, at least to compare that close of a match to the other kids you are talking about who's closest match is ten or more points. eck is good, but not the most dominant, but i havent seen him wrestle since he beat me and that was the very first tournament of the season, maybe he's progressed and i havent seen it.

yea he keeps a lot of his matches close, like his finals match against the like 17th guy in the state, i wasn't sure if he deserved MOW, if anybody on north hardins team I thought jones or demery but thats just my opinion

i think the favorite in this discussion on who will be the most dominant should be mason reid. he beat the #1 and #2 kids consecutively by 11 and 14. I would have to say that is pretty dominant. Have any other wrestlers really dominated their top-competition by that much? I think Wolsiefer only beat Choate by like 6 to 8 right, but I'm not for sure.

banks will not pin cooper and mason reid teched ben rupp who is still ranked higher than him according to ranger 123 i think unless ben rupp steps it up mason will be most dominant at state

yea he keeps a lot of his matches close, like his finals match against the like 17th guy in the state, i wasn't sure if he deserved MOW, if anybody on north hardins team I thought Jones or Emery but thats just my opinion

Eck has gone 44 consecutive matches without a loss. How can you say that is not dominant? I've also wrestled him,and the match was close at the end but he wrestles smart, doesn't have to win by a maj. dec. or be flashy he goes for the win and apparently it's working for him. Yes he has had close matches though Ervin lost 2-1 to him. Skinner was losing 7-4 to him with 5 sec. left he threw a head an arm out of desperation and lost the takedown and the match 9-4. He also had two other matches where he beat Lucas Carmen and Isaac Ervin earlier in the year 10-5, dunno if those were closer matches than the score says though.

Nah wolsiefer majored choate the first time and beat him like somewhere between 5-7 points the 2nd time the only points choate had were escapes

i cant wait to see the banks/cooper match IMO i think cooper will win but still we will see at state.

Please notice that I said Sullivan "elevates" down state. Sullivan is no stranger to being a champ. I remember Sullivan, as a freshman, pinning every opponent in the state tournament, including the finals.  Getting close to beating someone during the season is no where near the same as giving them a good match down state. Sullivan will elevate when it counts and consequently dominate all opponents. He may have a match within several points, but I seriously doubt he will ever be in jeopardy of losing. Don't bet against Sullivan. He will be the 4th wrestler in Ky history to ever be a 4 time state champ.

all i have to say is look at state last year, sullivan over parks, 1-0. He may be farvored to win but i'm sure someone wants it bad enough to challenge him.

I'm going to say Mason Reid after the performance he had on Saturday.  I was very impressed with his speed.  He manhandled Rupp and Florence.  He majored both of them and beat Rupp by 14 in the finals.  That's pretty impressive.

Mason Reid manhandled Rupp and Florence.  He majored both of them and beat Rupp by 14 in the finals.  That's pretty impressive.

I bet Rupp and Florence will go back and work hard before state to keep Reid from repeating. I'm sure all the wrestlers will give a better show at state than they have all year! But Reid has raised the bar for sure!

As for who will be most dominant, my vote goes to John Wolsifer. John always seems to be in complete control and every action seems to be very deliberate!

You know i was thinking, theres someone i don't think i have seen anyone mention that really deserves it and that is bryan peace. he wrestled the number two guy malcom jackson at the dragon in the finals and beat him by around ten points if im not mistaken, maybe not the most dominate, but still deserves the mention.

Ben Warner: 

Has anyone come close to defeating him this year? 

Didn't he dominate Ashbrooke by 14?

Yeah i was pretty sure he did, but everyone keeps giving me a differen't score. Warner has my vote if you ask me. maybe he doesn't dominate everyone he wrestles, but you never see him get in a bad postition.

After watching Sullivan and Carr this weekend I would like to again assert my opinion that Sullivan will major and possibly pin Carr. Sullivan is an animal and will very much dominate 112. Closest match is a major.

After watching Sullivan and Carr this weekend I would like to again assert my opinion that Sullivan will major and possibly pin Carr. Sullivan is an animal and will very much dominate 112. Closest match is a major.

I agree with Sullivan being dominant, but he still wont be the most dominant Wolseifer will most likely pin or tech every person he wrestles.

sullivan only beat jon voth by 3..

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