Starting this season, 2021-22 , we will have 2 semi states. 

Regions 1-4

Region 5-8

Top 4 from region make 16 man semi state.

Top 8 from semi state form 16 man state final

Ok now to open a can of worms. 

Please tell me they are not going to seed this tournament like last year. 

Please tell me they are only going to seed the #1s from each region and then follow a 1v4 2v3 from region format. 

45 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

Ok now to open a can of worms. 

Please tell me they are not going to seed this tournament like last year. 

Please tell me they are only going to seed the #1s from each region and then follow a 1v4 2v3 from region format. 

My understanding it will be 1-4, 2-3

Woo Hoo!!!

Will the semi state still be an extension of the state tourney or will it be it's own entity?

Will the team points roll over to the next weekend as last year or will there be team and individual awards at semi-state like they did back in 1986 and 1987? 

19 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

Will the semi state still be an extension of the state tourney or will it be it's own entity?

Will the team points roll over to the next weekend as last year or will there be team and individual awards at semi-state like they did back in 1986 and 1987? 

Khsaa should have new competition rules out by season start on the website, but its my understanding it will be like last year. The khsaa wanted to make sure that 32 kids still reached "state"  which semi state is part of. So points roll over and no semi state medals. Once again, thats my understanding,  I been wrong before. (Like twice , lol)

I'd have to guess the points differences won't be too extravagant like last year since placing 4 regions in each semi state instead of 2 regions.

So if it's going to be an extension like last year, will they actually abide by the rules as stated? For example they should have taken all of the points a certain Paducah Tilghman wrestler earned at semi-state, when he got kicked out of the State tournament but they didn't. So will they continue to make up the rules as they go or actually enforce the rules as stated?

I would vote for 2 different tournaments similar to what Indiana does.  

They are completely different tourneys. They will all be reseeded afterwards. Those points shouldn’t carry over. Other sports hang banners about 2nd place district 7. Why not give teams a chance to hang a semi state championship banner? 

24 minutes ago, DrBaker said:

They are completely different tourneys. They will all be reseeded afterwards. Those points shouldn’t carry over. Other sports hang banners about 2nd place district 7. Why not give teams a chance to hang a semi state championship banner? 

There is no reason for seeding at the final round of the state tourney.  Since there is only 2 semi-states with top 8 advancing.  The 2 number 1's will be separated and then 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5. 

It is absurd to seed all the wrestlers anyway only the Champions should be seeded at best. 

Wow do some wrestling teams actually get to hang a banner if they are wrestling region runner up?  Where I came from they wouldn't even hang a state runner up title for wrestling, and took an act of god to get the state championship banner up in the basketball gym. 

6 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

There is no reason for seeding at the final round of the state tourney.  Since there is only 2 semi-states with top 8 advancing.  The 2 number 1's will be separated and then 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5. 

It is absurd to seed all the wrestlers anyway only the Champions should be seeded at best. 

Wow do some wrestling teams actually get to hang a banner if they are wrestling region runner up?  Where I came from they wouldn't even hang a state runner up title for wrestling, and took an act of god to get the state championship banner up in the basketball gym. 

Putting 1vs8 is still reseeding. I don’t know what other wrestling teams put up, but I know basketball teams put up banners for far less than semi state. 

My hope is that this is still just temporary. (I know it's a slim hope). If this is temporary then we will again return to the 32 man bracket NOT AT A HIGH SCHOOL GYM.

At the very least it is allowing teams to claim wrestling qualifying for the state tourney.  This is much more important than the top school once again getting another banner/trophy/award. 

I was not a believer at first but this technique has caused wrestling to grow in both competitors and teams.  Smaller teams can have a little success to spark more interest in the sport at their school.  The only other way to possibly reach this is to have a separate small school and large school state tourney. (Which I believe no one wants.)

1 hour ago, grappler-of-old said:

 The only other way to possibly reach this is to have a separate small school and large school state tourney. (Which I believe no one wants.)

Tons of people want a split, including myself.  I talk to coaches all the time wanting it. 

38 minutes ago, coachteater said:

Tons of people want a split, including myself.  I talk to coaches all the time wanting it. 

I think one of the few things Kentucky does right by the sport is having a single class. It leaves no doubt who the best in the state is. Splitting it and having 16 total placers in a state with 120 teams, some of which have extremely low numbers, seems unnecessary. I don’t think state champs want to see someone else also claim that title without a match to decide it. I like the undisputed title. 

11 hours ago, coachteater said:

Tons of people want a split, including myself.  I talk to coaches all the time wanting it. 

I don't want the split. A small school has been winning overall anyways, others can compete too. 

What I dont think many realize is why we want the split. Its not about the competition, its about the growth. Its proven to promote growth in many states, and that is a positive.  In my opinion (which isnt always right) the positive affect and growth is worth the affects a split has on competition.  Will it water it down so, yes, at first. But competition level will continue to get tougher.  Because people cant stand the thought of multiple state champs, they want to hold the overall growth back. Honestly what do it hurt having 2 classes and 2 champions at each weight? Is it just egos that drive the need for 1 champion, just to say your the best? Thats worth hurting the growth of the sport as a whole? Maybe im missing something,  but that pretty much seems to be the only argument I get for staying 1 class. But in the end, doesnt much matter, khsaa wont split. 

 I think ultimately most would be OK with a split.  But at this point there would only be about 50-60 schools in each division.  I don't think that is enough schools to need a second division.  if we could reach 150 schools participating then we could look at the possibility.  

Heck we already had a region in the last couple of years that could not fill an 8 bracket at region. 

14 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

 I think ultimately most would be OK with a split.  But at this point there would only be about 50-60 schools in each division.  I don't think that is enough schools to need a second division.  if we could reach 150 schools participating then we could look at the possibility.  

Heck we already had a region in the last couple of years that could not fill an 8 bracket at region. 

Teater and I talk regularly about it. I said the magic # is also 150. I think over 140 would be better. My issue isn't the split, but some of the regions distance. I know out east you have some hauls. 

Before a split occurs girls need to be sanctioned first. 

At first glance, I think it waters it down too much, but I don’t really think so anymore. Idaho and Tenn have lots of divisions and champs and it only helps participation. 

Maybe some regions have more but I know region 2 small school (NKY) would only have 7 schools and the participants (using 2020 numbers) would have been 66 in the whole touney. Averaging a little over 5 a bracket. 

* That is using state dual alignment which only have 6 regions. 

I believe you need at least 10 schools with an average participation of 90 to legitimatize a split.

I pulled some numbers from a few states.  There are dozens more examples of states in our participant range with multiple divisions, but I don't have time at the moment to go through it all. 

OK: 133 Schools - 4 Divisions, ID: 101 Schools - 4 Divisions, SC: 119 Schools - 4 Divisions, NM: 101 Schools - 3 Divisions, WY: 51 Schools - 3 Divisions.  On and on...

When I was younger I was all about less divisions, but my opinion is changing.  The state tournament will be watered down, but it WILL create more excitement for smaller schools and probably more excitement overall as well.  At the end of the day our kids aren't getting recruited from the state tournament so wrestling in the offseason is and will continue to be the key for kids wanting to compete at the next level.  

56 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

Maybe some regions have more but I know region 2 small school (NKY) would only have 7 schools and the participants (using 2020 numbers) would have been 66 in the whole touney. Averaging a little over 5 a bracket. 

* That is using state dual alignment which only have 6 regions. 

I believe you need at least 10 schools with an average participation of 90 to legitimatize a split.

I think you would see less regions, like west Virginia.  

They are kind of a hybrid. A/aa has around 65 teams total, they wrestle together and there's 4 regions. 

Aaa has around 32 teams, 4 regions. They wrestle seperate from a/aa.

Interested about wv, they have around 90 teams, but only 180 public schools almost half wrestle. Population 1.8 million 

Ky has 120 wrestling and 443 public schools. Population 4.5 million

I glanced at WY just out of curiosity.  They accomplish this by allowing 2 participant per school per weight class. 

19 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

I glanced at WY just out of curiosity.  They accomplish this by allowing 2 participant per school per weight class. 

I know Idaho does too. A buddy got 2nd in state behind his own teammate. 

I believe this would help grow the sport in numbers but no matter what any of us think or how much data we have bottom line is it is never going to happen. KHSAA will always refuse this ideal due to the fact that regardless of numbers if they did let it split they would have opened up a can of worms. What I mean is outside of football the KHSAA doesn't do any division in any sports. All of the Big School/Small School or Class single A titles are all done by the Coaches Association of the sport in question. If Khsaa decided to do that for wrestling every sport in the state would want the same done for their sport and then the next sport and so on from there. If KHSAA  just keep it NO  then they don't have to hear it from any other sport. That's why we will stay one class regardless of numbers, because if numbers is all it took there would be more classes in basketball and baseball which is where the money would be. Just my thoughts 

1 hour ago, DrBaker said:

I know Idaho does too. A buddy got 2nd in state behind his own teammate. 

He was my practice partner until they moved out to Fruitland, ID. 

Track has 3 classes, although they are way past their own realignment schedule. 

1 hour ago, grappler-of-old said:

I glanced at WY just out of curiosity.  They accomplish this by allowing 2 participant per school per weight class. 

This in my opinion is one of the biggest growth inhibiters to KY HS wrestling.  Add districts and 2 per team weight classes. 

44 minutes ago, panthers said:

I believe this would help grow the sport in numbers but no matter what any of us think or how much data we have bottom line is it is never going to happen. KHSAA will always refuse this ideal due to the fact that regardless of numbers if they did let it split they would have opened up a can of worms. What I mean is outside of football the KHSAA doesn't do any division in any sports. All of the Big School/Small School or Class single A titles are all done by the Coaches Association of the sport in question. If Khsaa decided to do that for wrestling every sport in the state would want the same done for their sport and then the next sport and so on from there. If KHSAA  just keep it NO  then they don't have to hear it from any other sport. That's why we will stay one class regardless of numbers, because if numbers is all it took there would be more classes in basketball and baseball which is where the money would be. Just my thoughts 

The flip of this argument would be that they do have classes in Cross country, Track, all individual sports, so why not wrestling. 

5 hours ago, plantmanky1 said:

This in my opinion is one of the biggest growth inhibiters to KY HS wrestling.  Add districts and 2 per team weight classes. 

If you did this without adding classes it would kill the smaller teams, not necessarily small schools, but they are often the smaller teams. 

6 hours ago, plantmanky1 said:

The flip of this argument would be that they do have classes in Cross country, Track, all individual sports, so why not wrestling. 

Been that way in those sports forever. If you split wrestling now, it opens up splits to all sports. Thats the argument i was told. I call it poor management.  If wrestling needs it, do it. Then if others want it, say no. You just have to have reasons why to split wrestling and not others. 

One complaint I have about semi-state and the final round being scored as one tournament is that a wrestler who loses a match in the semi-state is still eligible to win the state championship. If both of these weekends are a part of the "state tournament" then how can a wrestler who loses a match be the champion? For example, a wrestler who loses in the finals in the semi-state can still win it all the next weekend. For this reason, I think the scoring needs to be split up.

On 10/1/2021 at 3:22 PM, plantmanky1 said:

This in my opinion is one of the biggest growth inhibiters to KY HS wrestling.  Add districts and 2 per team weight classes. 

So would both of the wrestlers be able to score team points or just one?

29 minutes ago, wrestling78 said:

So would both of the wrestlers be able to score team points or just one?

Just one, Team picks their scored.  Same as what Middle School does. 

2 hours ago, plantmanky1 said:

Just one, Team picks their scored.  Same as what Middle School does. 

Ok, that would be nice.

3 hours ago, BroOfCoach said:

One complaint I have about semi-state and the final round being scored as one tournament is that a wrestler who loses a match in the semi-state is still eligible to win the state championship. If both of these weekends are a part of the "state tournament" then how can a wrestler who loses a match be the champion? For example, a wrestler who loses in the finals in the semi-state can still win it all the next weekend. For this reason, I think the scoring needs to be split up.

Although this is definitely true and I agree with you, I still am very against last year's semi-state. I didn't like that it was a single-elimination tournament. It felt like if you lost before the finals, what did you have to wrestle for.

39 minutes ago, wrestling78 said:

Although this is definitely true and I agree with you, I still am very against last year's semi-state. I didn't like that it was a single-elimination tournament. It felt like if you lost before the finals, what did you have to wrestle for.

I thought last year's post season was terrible. They should have at least placed back to 4th and done a 16 man tournament. 

On 9/22/2021 at 2:10 PM, coachteater said:

Starting this season, 2021-22 , we will have 2 semi states. 

Regions 1-4

Region 5-8

Top 4 from region make 16 man semi state.

Top 8 from semi state form 16 man state final

Where will the state finals be held?

27 minutes ago, BroOfCoach said:

Where will the state finals be held?

Clark Co

1 hour ago, BroOfCoach said:

I thought last year's post season was terrible. They should have at least placed back to 4th and done a 16 man tournament. 

good thing it isn't like last yr.

Last year was a bump in the road in a year that was unusual. 

The biggest complaint I have now is that we are back holding the state wrestling tournament at a high school.  Not only a high school but a school that is not a wrestling school they are starting a team this year.  This is reminiscent of the old days of Atherton high school who at times barely had a wrestling team.  

1 hour ago, grappler-of-old said:

Last year was a bump in the road in a year that was unusual. 

The biggest complaint I have now is that we are back holding the state wrestling tournament at a high school.  Not only a high school but a school that is not a wrestling school they are starting a team this year.  This is reminiscent of the old days of Atherton high school who at times barely had a wrestling team.  

I will say Julian told me there is a spot being built close to Lexington they are looking at, but will be couple years

On 10/1/2021 at 3:22 PM, plantmanky1 said:

This in my opinion is one of the biggest growth inhibiters to KY HS wrestling.  Add districts and 2 per team weight classes. 

I like it. Although I may not go totally 2 per weight. Maybe more of the NAIA idea of 12 total or a mix of the two. Maybe a team can enter up to X second wrestlers. I believe this would help with weight cutting as well. If I can be a backup to the state champ and wrestle a natural weight and still compete in the post season that may sound pretty good to some kids. 

10 hours ago, coachteater said:

Clark Co

That gym may get a bit tight with a 16 man state bracket. We were pretty packed this year with covid “limitations” and an 8 man bracket. 

10 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

That gym may get a bit tight with a 16 man state bracket. We were pretty packed this year with covid “limitations” and an 8 man bracket. 

I’m sure they have an auxiliary gym (last year’s warm up area) they’ll roll some bleachers in. I’m curious during which class period they’ll start the state tournament. The possibilities are exciting.

1 hour ago, GentleBeard said:

I’m sure they have an auxiliary gym (last year’s warm up area) they’ll roll some bleachers in. I’m curious during which class period they’ll start the state tournament. The possibilities are exciting.

I was under the impression that the tournament would be completed in one day (Saturday) with the new rule that you can wrestling 6 matches a day in the post season. 

3 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

I was under the impression that the tournament would be completed in one day (Saturday) with the new rule that you can wrestling 6 matches a day in the post season. 

That would make sense....

31 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

I was under the impression that the tournament would be completed in one day (Saturday) with the new rule that you can wrestling 6 matches a day in the post season. 

Nope, both semi state and state will be 2 day events. 

2 hours ago, coachteater said:

Nope, both semi state and state will be 2 day events. 

Why 2 days that is a lot of over night for teams. 

9 minutes ago, panthers said:

Why 2 days that is a lot of over night for teams. 

$$

Unless you have 2 gyms and 6+ mats going, 1 day tournament would be difficult to get through. Unless you do weigh ins and skin checks the day before, start wrestling at 7:00 a.m., no breaks, wrestle championship and consolation rounds at the same time and wrestle finals on all mats. Then you might be able to get it done by 12:00 midnight. 406-420 matches is a lot. Heckuva way to end a season. Sarcasm laid on thick --- "Let's take the championship tournament of the sport and make it the most grueling, least enjoyable experience for everyone participating and their fans, just so WE don't have to come back a second day!!" Guess who WE is?? I'm not referring to Panthers' comment either.  

For reference, middle school state was formerly held at Montgomery Co High School. 6 mats, 16 man brackets, wrestle back to 6th place. Wrestling would begin at 9:00 or earlier, no breaks unless required by time which is less than high school and finals would begin around 8:00. High school is more competitive, longer matches/periods and requires longer between matches. Ranger or Plantman can verify the timeline, but from what I can remember that's close. 

Hey I'm good with 2 days.  I just thought that was the reason for a 16 man bracket.  Thought KHSAA wanted to finish it in one day.

16 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

I like it. Although I may not go totally 2 per weight. Maybe more of the NAIA idea of 12 total or a mix of the two. Maybe a team can enter up to X second wrestlers. I believe this would help with weight cutting as well. If I can be a backup to the state champ and wrestle a natural weight and still compete in the post season that may sound pretty good to some kids. 

Initially I don't think it matters to make a cut off on #2 guys, but as teams grow it could, and I understand why you say that, and like we used to say, "Let that be a good problem we have to deal with".   Now I could see this making JV regionals more of a bigger deal perhaps, and a podium spot there, gets your spot in District tournament or something along those lines.  

Only allowing 14 kids to wrestle for something in HS has always been a deterrent for kids whether anyone wants to acknowledge it or not, specifically your just average MS kids coming up.  Allowing 28 kids to participate at the end of the year, means many more teams with closer to full JV lineups all season.  That's a good problem to have.     

As to weight cutting, wasn't going to bring it up, but I agree, it helps with kids making hard cuts. 

46 minutes ago, BigBossMan said:

Unless you have 2 gyms and 6+ mats going, 1 day tournament would be difficult to get through. Unless you do weigh ins and skin checks the day before, start wrestling at 7:00 a.m., no breaks, wrestle championship and consolation rounds at the same time and wrestle finals on all mats. Then you might be able to get it done by 12:00 midnight. 406-420 matches is a lot. Heckuva way to end a season. Sarcasm laid on thick --- "Let's take the championship tournament of the sport and make it the most grueling, least enjoyable experience for everyone participating and their fans, just so WE don't have to come back a second day!!" Guess who WE is?? I'm not referring to Panthers' comment either.  

For reference, middle school state was formerly held at Montgomery Co High School. 6 mats, 16 man brackets, wrestle back to 6th place. Wrestling would begin at 9:00 or earlier, no breaks unless required by time which is less than high school and finals would begin around 8:00. High school is more competitive, longer matches/periods and requires longer between matches. Ranger or Plantman can verify the timeline, but from what I can remember that's close. 

Spot on Bossman, practically slept in the MoCo gym for 2 nights.......kinda miss those days. 

21 minutes ago, plantmanky1 said:

Initially I don't think it matters to make a cut off on #2 guys, but as teams grow it could, and I understand why you say that, and like we used to say, "Let that be a good problem we have to deal with".   Now I could see this making JV regionals more of a bigger deal perhaps, and a podium spot there, gets your spot in District tournament or something along those lines.  

 

Only allowing 14 kids to wrestle for something in HS has always been a deterrent for kids whether anyone wants to acknowledge it or not, specifically your just average MS kids coming up.  Allowing 28 kids to participate at the end of the year, means many more teams with closer to full JV lineups all season.  That's a good problem to have.     

 

As to weight cutting, wasn't going to bring it up, but I agree, it helps with kids making hard cuts. 

 

 

I think its good either way with everyone 2 in each weight class or just a few. As for JV regionals or anything else JV that wont be good until we change what is and isn't JV as of now anyone is JV if they haven't made state. We should at least look at maybe making it only those varsity that have under 500 record or are a first year kid. I mean in some cases kids are ranked in the top 10 or in the state and going to JV. I for one don't see how that helps the true JV kids not varsity. 

1 hour ago, grappler-of-old said:

Hey I'm good with 2 days.  I just thought that was the reason for a 16 man bracket.  Thought KHSAA wanted to finish it in one day.

I don't care one day or two I was just like you and thought that was the reason for the 6th match approval.

1 hour ago, panthers said:

I don't care one day or two I was just like you and thought that was the reason for the 6th match approval.

6 match rule was a national rule change, not just Kentucky.  

2 hours ago, plantmanky1 said:

Spot on Bossman, practically slept in the MoCo gym for 2 nights.......kinda miss those days. 

Yeah do kind of miss those days. They were a grind, but a lot of fun in the end. Coach Dettwiller and the Montgomery county crew were great hosts and we had some massive crowds for those events no matter how long they went or how bad the weather was. 

I know for sure that Ohio and Indiana don’t, but does anyone know of any other state that hosts their state championship final in a high school gym?

Imagine saying that the Sweet 16 was being held in a high school gym or the football championship game was at a high school. 
 

Is rolling over and simply being thankful that we are even allowed to have a state wrestling championship tournament the right move?

Nothing will ever be the dungeon, the horse park was a step down even though it houses more, but heck we are now down to a high school gym!  What’s next, splitting mats in half with a piece of tape in the practice gym of the local high school so we can get done faster?

7 hours ago, plantmanky1 said:

Only allowing 14 kids to wrestle for something in HS has always been a deterrent for kids whether anyone wants to acknowledge it or not, specifically your just average MS kids coming up.  Allowing 28 kids to participate at the end of the year, means many more teams with closer to full JV lineups all season.  That's a good problem to have.     

Basketball only holds what 18 kids on the varsity squad? How many are on the cross country, golf, tennis teams in post season? 

As I mentioned before, I believe this would hurt the small teams (not necessarily small schools).  Imagine if Trinity or X could field two football teams.  It may help the overall number of wrestlers, but not the number of schools with wrestling.  You would definitely have to split into divisions if you allowed 2 per weight class. 

5 hours ago, bestmistake33 said:

I know for sure that Ohio and Indiana don’t, but does anyone know of any other state that hosts their state championship final in a high school gym?

Just searching the interwebs while Im up past my bedtime, Ive found 10 others.

Montana Vermont Oregon Utah Nevada Rhode island Arizona New Hampshire Massachusetts Delaware 

16 hours ago, coachteater said:

Just searching the interwebs while Im up past my bedtime, Ive found 10 others.

 

Montana Vermont Oregon Utah Nevada Rhode island Arizona New Hampshire Massachusetts Delaware 

Not the list we want to be on wrestling-wise long term. I will say the GRC facility is extremely nice. But I agree for the future we need an upgrade to a larger venue. I am hopeful we can work with the KHSAA to make it happen. The changes put in place this off season show a drastically much improved willingness to listen to feedback from the coaches. 

23 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:

Not the list we want to be on wrestling-wise long term. I will say the GRC facility is extremely nice. But I agree for the future we need an upgrade to a larger venue. I am hopeful we can work with the KHSAA to make it happen. The changes put in place this off season show a drastically much improved willingness to listen to feedback from the coaches. 

Totally agree.  Definitely need to be in a larger, nice venue. Kentucky just seems so different then many states when it comes to venues like we need. Seems to be dozens in every other state, but nothing here

Rather than making statements like “a bunch of coaches want it” or “nobody really wants it”, start with a coaches poll and make the results public.   Let’s see what the state thinks.   Reach out to the head coaches for each team and get their opinion.   Then as a whole; argue for what’s best for the sport.  It’s easy to form an opinion for the majority when you’re talking to a portion.  

1 hour ago, LCalum said:

Rather than making statements like “a bunch of coaches want it” or “nobody really wants it”, start with a coaches poll and make the results public.   Let’s see what the state thinks.   Reach out to the head coaches for each team and get their opinion.   Then as a whole; argue for what’s best for the sport.  It’s easy to form an opinion for the majority when you’re talking to a portion.  

lol. They took the coaches association vote, which was public for head coaches. If you go back to search for the thread you will see PLENTY of chatter over it. But I guess this dead horse isn't getting hit with a stick enough. It's a done deal and is not going to change. Time to move on, get ready for the fire works of the east/west semi-states and enjoy it! 

Do we know the locations of the two semi states yet?

31 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

Do we know the locations of the two semi states yet?

 

I thought you were hosting

don't you put that evil on me Rickey Bobby. 

Regional dual qualifier is what we have. 

I have a feeling that with the new alignment Semi State hosts won’t be revealed until Regional Tournament hosts are set. 

11 hours ago, wrestleref said:

I have a feeling that with the new alignment Semi State hosts won’t be revealed until Regional Tournament hosts are set. 

Region 1- Caldwell Co

Region 2- Bardstown 

Region 3- Undecided 

Region 4- S. Oldham

Region 5- Simon Kenton

Region 6-  Bryan Station

 Region 7- Mccreary Cent. 

Region 8- Montgomery Co

On 9/29/2021 at 3:08 PM, coachteater said:

Khsaa should have new competition rules out by season start on the website, but its my understanding it will be like last year. The khsaa wanted to make sure that 32 kids still reached "state"  which semi state is part of. So points roll over and no semi state medals. Once again, thats my understanding,  I been wrong before. (Like twice , lol)

Will alternate’s return to ensure full brackets at Semi-state and State?

I think I speak for the parents, coaches, and fans that do NOT want 3 2 day tourneys. That’s a lot of driving, hotels, and leaving work early. 16 man tourneys can easily finish in 1 day with 4 mats. 

1 hour ago, DrBaker said:

I think I speak for the parents, coaches, and fans that do NOT want 3 2 day tourneys. That’s a lot of driving, hotels, and leaving work early. 16 man tourneys can easily finish in 1 day with 4 mats. 

I believe that is the plan with semi state. Can't speak for the regions, I believe that will be up to each region how they want to do it. 

State I believe will be 2 days. 

As for the state tournament. 

If you want a parade of champions and a stand alone finals you can't finish it in one day. 

Heck even back in the stone age when I wrestled a 16 man bracket at Atherton High School it was 2 days. 

47 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

As for the state tournament. 

If you want a parade of champions and a stand alone finals you can't finish it in one day. 

Heck even back in the stone age when I wrestled a 16 man bracket at Atherton High School it was 2 days. 

Yes. Make the finals an event. Run a couple rounds on Friday. Have faceoffs and one finals mat under the lights. Not so needed at regionals and semi. 

On 12/14/2021 at 1:27 PM, grappler-of-old said:

As for the state tournament. 

If you want a parade of champions and a stand alone finals you can't finish it in one day. 

Heck even back in the stone age when I wrestled a 16 man bracket at Atherton High School it was 2 days. 

Middle school does a 20 man bracket with a parade of champions in one day.  

4 hours ago, gator1 said:

Middle school does a 20 man bracket with a parade of champions in one day.  

Yes but the time between matches is different 

On 12/16/2021 at 5:50 PM, Countywrestling16 said:

Yes but the time between matches is different 

As is the time of each match.

Has the format of the post season actually been confirmed? Is it set in stone?

Pretty sure it is. 

12 hours ago, DrBaker said:

Pretty sure it is. 

But still no location for the semi-states?

Have semi-state locations been set yet?

I seem to recall a post in the wrestling section of the KHSAA website saying they were accepting applications for hosts now. So I’m guessing not yet. 

4 hours ago, wrestleref said:

I seem to recall a post in the wrestling section of the KHSAA website saying they were accepting applications for hosts now. So I’m guessing not yet. 

Correct. They emailed all head coaches asking for them to apply if they would like to host.

Is there any rumors circulating on who's hosting semi-state??? This is kinda ridiculous we do not have anything and we are a month from it. 

On 1/13/2022 at 9:06 PM, halfhalfhalf said:

Is there any rumors circulating on who's hosting semi-state??? This is kinda ridiculous we do not have anything and we are a month from it. 

Union is hosting the western Semi-State. Just saw it posted. Great Crossing is hosting the other semi state. Next years hosts are Louisville Central and Ryle. 

Were Paducah and Pikeville not available? 

16 hours ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

. Next years hosts are Louisville Central and Ryle. 

This is depressing.  Next year another semi-state. Looks like we are never getting back to normal, and Ky wrestling will take a step backwards in hosting the state tournament at a high school.  1995 we finally moved out of Atherton High school gym, was hoping for a 2 year oddity because of COVID.   Seems like its not an oddity but an excuse to return our state tournament to a high school venue.  For the 1st time in many years I am embarrassed of Ky wrestling. 

1 hour ago, grappler-of-old said:

This is depressing.  Next year another semi-state. Looks like we are never getting back to normal, and Ky wrestling will take a step backwards in hosting the state tournament at a high school.  1995 we finally moved out of Atherton High school gym, was hoping for a 2 year oddity because of COVID.   Seems like its not an oddity but an excuse to return our state tournament to a high school venue.  For the 1st time in many years I am embarrassed of Ky wrestling. 

My son’s buddy that wrestles for Ryle said they hosted a dual in the auditorium this week.  Stage, lights, announcers, cool atmosphere.  Sad that is the closest grand pageantry that those kids will get is at a night dual vs a state tournament championship.  

5 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

This is depressing.  Next year another semi-state. Looks like we are never getting back to normal, and Ky wrestling will take a step backwards in hosting the state tournament at a high school.  1995 we finally moved out of Atherton High school gym, was hoping for a 2 year oddity because of COVID.   Seems like its not an oddity but an excuse to return our state tournament to a high school venue.  For the 1st time in many years I am embarrassed of Ky wrestling. 

96 was the first year in Frankfort, and that venue was awesome.  But we are in a bit of a tight spot right now.  We outgrew the Frankfort Civic Center but aren't really big enough for most centralized venues in Kentucky.    Let's be honest, the Horse Park was an awful venue.  I disliked it as a coach and a spectator.  We are stuck in a high school right now due to the size of our sport and the fact that the KHSAA is broke.  I don't think that it has to be a long-term situation, even though the KHSAA makes it seem that way.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the KHSAA, but I understand the position that they are in.  Cancelling the Sweet-Sixteen last year really did a number on their finances.  Maybe, during this time, we can grow enough to justify using some of the arenas we are too small to fill right now.

Awesome atmosphere last night. 

35 minutes ago, Chris Duke said:

Awesome atmosphere last night. 

That is awesome. My nephews are wrestling tonight against Union for their senior night and it will most likely be in the tiny middle school gymnasium where wrestling gets allocated to. Wrestling plays third fiddle to the big money makers, from the KHSAA all the way down to most (not all) district athletic departments.