The 2021-22 season is here. Hopefully we are able to get back to a normal season this year with safe and healthy competition. 
 

There are a lot of unknowns coming into this season. We have some feedback on kids using the free year, but I’m sure there are some I missed. There has been a decent amount of off season events, but with the weight class changes there are even more questions than usual. As always, feedback is appreciated. 
 

Preseason notes:

- Ryle is looking really tough to beat going into the season

- Johnson Central has a very good lineup and with the tragic loss of legendary Coach Matney they will have some extra motivation 

- we could add another 4-timer to the list this year if Cole Thomas can run the gauntlet one more time

Rankings_21_22_1015.pdf

Looks like you put in a lot of work as always so thanks. These teams are now region 1

Owensboro, Owensboro Catholic, Daviess County, Apollo & Whitesville Trinity and Ohio Co was moved to Region 2 just so you have that info. Again thanks for your timeless efforts for all these kids to see themselves getting some credit for the work done.

Tyler Votaw at 220 has transferred to Thomas Nelson.

Sleeping on Jayden Raney like Jordyn last year. 

33 minutes ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

Sleeping on Jayden Raney like Jordyn last year. 

These are rankings, not projections.  Is Jayden going to win 106? Almost certainly, but he has to have some high schools results to justify a higher ranking first. I am not speaking for Ranger, but I imagine this is his reasoning. It is the same with freshman in college that we all know will finish way higher than where they start out.

1 hour ago, panthers said:

Looks like you put in a lot of work as always so thanks. These teams are now region 1

Owensboro, Owensboro Catholic, Daviess County, Apollo & Whitesville Trinity and Ohio Co was moved to Region 2 just so you have that info. Again thanks for your timeless efforts for all these kids to see themselves getting some credit for the work done.

Good catch. I forgot to check the new region alignment in my master file. Thanks for the notification. 

Great job and thank you for your work. I will be surprised if any of the top 6 106 are back at 106.  They are all pretty big right now. Also do you think Thornton will go 132. I believe he is signed up at 126 for super 32. Just an FYI both Ramey’s are ranked in the top 10 in the nation for middle school. Jayden just beat the number 4 kid in the country and super 32 champ. And I’m not debating or disagreeing with the rankings. I’m just creating some discussion as I’m bored waiting on the season to start and most places up here wrapping up their off season practices 

19 minutes ago, WVhighlander said:

Great job and thank you for your work. I will be surprised if any of the top 6 106 are back at 106.  They are all pretty big right now. Also do you think Thornton will go 132. I believe he is signed up at 126 for super 32. Just an FYI both Ramey’s are ranked in the top 10 in the nation for middle school. Jayden just beat the number 4 kid in the country and super 32 champ. And I’m not debating or disagreeing with the rankings. I’m just creating some discussion as I’m bored waiting on the season to start and most places up here wrapping up their off season practices 

Agree on the little guys. But I try to avoid making guesses on growth. The vast majority of kids who I have moved to a new weight are based on results I have seen recently. Obviously once we start to see some body fat tests go in over the next 6-8 weeks a LOT will change. 
 

As for Thornton I see him pretty regularly and feel pretty solid about that weight projection. A lot of kids cut a little more weight for Super32 than they want to for an entire season. 
 

Yes the Raney boys are very good. But as has been pointed out I like to sleep on them. Probably quite uncomfortable for them as I am a bit heavier than I used to be, but they likely don’t care. The problem with ranking Jayden is I just don’t have results slot him as high as a lot of people expect him to finish. 

21 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:

I like to sleep on them. 

You sleep?  Wow, when? 

And yes your 106 days are waaaaaaaay behind you. LOL

As a charter member of the Raney fan club, both have proven themselves to be number 1. They have been super busy at the National level, not only against middle school, but also high school kids. 

2 hours ago, grappler-of-old said:

You sleep?  Wow, when? 

Well soccer season did finish up for us. So there is that. But now I do have 2 college seasons to attempt to follow.

1 hour ago, DrBaker said:

As a charter member of the Raney fan club, both have proven themselves to be number 1. They have been super busy at the National level, not only against middle school, but also high school kids. 

Jordyn obviously. But what results PROVE Jayden should be #1?  I just did some extra digging into older history and yes he should probably be at least a spot higher, but please show me the proof for number 1. 

For the record, folks are welcome to go back and check how previous studs with limited HS matches were ranked (Mark Hall, David Carr, Lawsons, etc). Yes they were studs and quickly moved up the rankings, but I never just assume they are better than kids who have proved HS results. 

43 minutes ago, Ranger123 said:

For the record, folks are welcome to go back and check how previous studs with limited HS matches were ranked (Mark Hall, David Carr, Lawsons, etc). Yes they were studs and quickly moved up the rankings, but I never just assume they are better than kids who have proved HS results. 

To be honest, I don’t have any evidence to back my statement up. But if I had to bet my horse farm on Jayden being the top 106lb wrestler,  I wouldn’t blink an eye. 

1 hour ago, Ranger123 said:

Jordyn obviously. But what results PROVE Jayden should be #1?  I just did some extra digging into older history and yes he should probably be at least a spot higher, but please show me the proof for number 1. 

He has pinned Morris and McDonald. Beaten Vega in state finals twice. He wrestles live matches with his brother and keeps it within a point. He’s every bit as good as his brother, just 5 lbs smaller. He’s beaten Bruno Cassioppi. 

2 hours ago, DrBaker said:

He has pinned Morris and McDonald. Beaten Vega in state finals twice. He wrestles live matches with his brother and keeps it within a point. He’s every bit as good as his brother, just 5 lbs smaller. He’s beaten Bruno Cassioppi. 

Are you really using practice room goes as your argument? Come on man. That’s nonsense. And Bruno Cassioppi is a nice name, but virtually useless in translating to Ky HS rankings. 
 

Yes, the Vega win from 2020 is valid even though it was MS, but I haven’t seen any results with Morris or McDonald. 

3 hours ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

To be honest, I don’t have any evidence to back my statement up. But if I had to bet my horse farm on Jayden being the top 106lb wrestler,  I wouldn’t blink an eye. 

That’s fine. I wouldn’t bet against him unless my kid was in there. But come on. Think outside union county. The “pros” that do this stuff do exactly the same thing. Even though they knew Gable Stevenson was a monster he started off ranked low or Unranked by some outlets. There is a process based on real results. 

Ryle should have Nance at 113 and Austin Peace at 150. 

Wasn’t sure about Peace and weight. Will add him. 

3 hours ago, DrBaker said:

He has pinned Morris and McDonald. Beaten Vega in state finals twice. He wrestles live matches with his brother and keeps it within a point. He’s every bit as good as his brother, just 5 lbs smaller. He’s beaten Bruno Cassioppi. 

He may be the stud you think he is but::::

Wrestling your brother is no comparison.  He knows him like the back of his hand.  Much like an old guy like me wrestling my son.  He will never beat me because I know what he is going to do before he does, even now that he is in his 20's. 

What's the big deal him not being ranked 1st?  Makes absolutely no difference in the final outcome. Unless your losing a bet on the pre-season rankings. 

2 hours ago, Ranger123 said:

Are you really using practice room goes as your argument? Come on man. That’s nonsense. And Bruno Cassioppi is a nice name, but virtually useless in translating to Ky HS rankings. 
 

Yes, the Vega win from 2020 is valid even though it was MS, but I haven’t seen any results with Morris or McDonald. 

My go to was a pin over Morris. It was at state duals. Listed as Jordyn. 
Everyone knows that National ms wins translate into high school wins. 
It’s no big deal. He’s got a season to prove it. 

Jayden will be number 1 at the end of the season. That's all that matters 

10 hours ago, DrBaker said:

My go to was a pin over Morris. It was at state duals. Listed as Jordyn. 
Everyone knows that National ms wins translate into high school wins. 
It’s no big deal. He’s got a season to prove it. 

Ok. So me not reading minds and changing names probably shouldn’t be put in the sleeping on him category. And on top of the hours of time I dig into results I refuse to dissect incorrect names in ms events. 
 

Yes elite MS wins will translate into HS success, but that has little to do with ranking in relation to a Ky HS wrestler. A sophomore doesn’t have the option to get that win so how do you compare them?  It’s madness. 
 

He absolutely does have the season to prove it. Plus it is very likely half (or more) of the kids ranked above him won’t even be at 106 so it will become a moot point by mid November. 

Let me see if I understand the context here…Ranger has been around the world this year, has no kids in high school wrestling, 2 college seasons to follow; not to mention being a committed husband and girl dad. He puts hours of unnecessary work to release rankings (which are really guesses at this point save for a few) based on the NEW weight classes while not having a kid competing in KHSAA. But, we are complaining about rankings….in October? We are a bored group lol

Thanks for the new rankings Ranger.

After reading all this, the only thing l don’t understand is why Dr.Baker and UK Pride not doing the rankings, because they seem to have way more “ knowledge“ then RANGER !! 
Maybe its time for a shift ?? 

Side note…. NOT What l Believe Ranger you are doing a terrific job. Nobody else out there would put in the time you do. THANK YOU for your time and efforts !! 

Appreciate all the positive feedback. M I actually really enjoy doing this. I also welcome the input when I miss things. But prefer constructive results based info. 

16 hours ago, 44 dad said:

After reading all this, the only thing l don’t understand is why Dr.Baker and UK Pride not doing the rankings, because they seem to have way more “ knowledge“ then RANGER !! 
Maybe its time for a shift ?? 

His rankings are excellent. I just see 1 kid in a different light. I know he’s sees my side and I do see his. Where we see different is that he hasn’t proven it against Ky high school kids and I believe his body of work nationally is enough. 
It’s not a big deal. No fighting, cussing, and name calling. 

4 hours ago, DrBaker said:

His rankings are excellent. I just see 1 kid in a different light. I know he’s sees my side and I do see his. Where we see different is that he hasn’t proven it against Ky high school kids and I believe his body of work nationally is enough. 
It’s not a big deal. No fighting, cussing, and name calling. 

I look forward to our many convos as well. I missed it last yr!! 

11 hours ago, halfhalfhalf said:

I look forward to our many convos as well. I missed it last yr!! 

Heck yeah!! Gotta get your kids in there! 

On 10/15/2021 at 1:41 PM, Ranger123 said:

Good catch. I forgot to check the new region alignment in my master file. Thanks for the notification. 

Yeah because the old region 6, is now region 5.  Old region 7 is mostly region 6.  Woodford and the Oldhams in region 4.  A total mixarooni. 

2 hours ago, DrBaker said:

Heck yeah!! Gotta get your kids in there! 

we have 1 who will be on there but not until we get the results. 

On 10/15/2021 at 2:07 PM, WVhighlander said:

Great job and thank you for your work. I will be surprised if any of the top 6 106 are back at 106.  They are all pretty big right now. Also do you think Thornton will go 132. I believe he is signed up at 126 for super 32. Just an FYI both Ramey’s are ranked in the top 10 in the nation for middle school. Jayden just beat the number 4 kid in the country and super 32 champ. And I’m not debating or disagreeing with the rankings. I’m just creating some discussion as I’m bored waiting on the season to start and most places up here wrapping up their off season practices 

I doubt that many of the kids ranked at 106 will actually weigh 106. I have seen some of them and they look much bigger.

Thanks for the rankings as a parent we appreciate you taking your time away from your family to try an give us an ideal. Sure some of the kids are big for 106 but I seen it last season some 120plus cut to that 106 so it’s possible some will be there 

Curious as to what happened to the Adams wrestler from Christian Co who won the state title last year. I thought he was a sophomore or junior - he didn't graduate did he? Move out of state maybe?

9 hours ago, BobcatWrestling said:

Curious as to what happened to the Adams wrestler from Christian Co who won the state title last year. I thought he was a sophomore or junior - he didn't graduate did he? Move out of state maybe?

He transferred to Paducah and tore his acl playing football. 

Hate to hear that. Thanks.

Ik this is a late comment but didn’t mccloskey just beat Condi in the middle school finals recently? 

On 11/20/2021 at 9:37 PM, Thatkywrestler said:

Ik this is a late comment but didn’t mccloskey just beat Condi in the middle school finals recently? 

If it just happened then that is great.  These rankings were sent out on Oct 15th. 

34 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:

If it just happened then that is great.  These rankings were sent out on Oct 15th. 

This was in march

On 11/20/2021 at 9:37 PM, Thatkywrestler said:

Ik this is a late comment but didn’t mccloskey just beat Condi in the middle school finals recently? 

Could have. As a general rule I don’t follow MS results as an input to change these rankings. I will go back and give it a look, but these ranking primarily influenced by in season HS results. The wins/losses by these two good kids are what put them in the spots they currently sit in. But I will definitely give it a review especially if they end up in close proximity (say 11 and 12) then that result should definitely be considered.