Just curious, if anyone is planning on creating middle school rankings now that the season has started?

If anyone was wanting to do Rankings, Next Saturdays event at Great Crossings would be one to attend for sure. Some hammers will be there. Below is all the schools attending. 

I had a volunteer who wanted to do it but I can start back up as I’ll be in attendance that weekend

Really was wanting to make it to this tournament but wasn’t able to. Trying to keep up on track

Any luck getting Middle School Rankings thrown together Mr Brown?

working on a top 5 list 

Did the Top 5 in each weight class list get made?

It’s hard to find any results from the eastern schools. 

In my opinion, Middle school (youth) rankings aren’t that important. I feel it’s more important for the parents (guilty as charged) than the kids. Especially as it pertains to clout. When my kid was ranked as a 4th grader he literally could have cared less. He didn’t brag to his friends at recess about being ranked. He played football at recess like he was playing in the Super Bowl LOL. But me, I told everyone about the ranking. Did it end up mattering in the long run? No. Was there any outcome of middle school rankings that helped performance? No. My then 4th grader went 0-2 at middle school state and 15 minutes after his last match, he was playing bottle flip with kids from a different team.

My point is this…let the kids be kids. Looking back, I see my mistake in putting the slightest attention to middle school rankings. Rankings do not matter until High School.

Just my two Pennies.

I think it would be nice to have rankings posted.  Its good to know where to go to find good matches in state.

7 hours ago, BrandonBrooks28 said:

I think it would be nice to have rankings posted.  Its good to know where to go to find good matches in state.

Agree 

On 1/24/2022 at 5:44 AM, BeastMode23 said:

Agree 

Then let’s problem solve folks: How about you two get together and create middle school rankings for Kentucky.
 

Again, I don’t see any significance to middle school rankings, but to each, their own.

If you want to find some good matches, then start practicing at better wrestling clubs, because the wrestler is only as good as their practice partner……..in my opinion.

10 minutes ago, Coach Livingston said:

Then let’s problem solve folks: How about you two get together and create middle school rankings for Kentucky.
 

Again, I don’t see any significance to middle school rankings, but to each, their own.

 

If you want to find some good matches, then start practicing at better wrestling clubs, because the wrestler is only as good as their practice partner……..in my opinion.

My son wrestle on the high school team so it’s impossible for me I don’t even get to see ms kids until we go to state. So how about you hunt them down buddy 

This shows that coaches, kids, and parents do care about rankings. 

Yes sir they do. I understand what he said but that don’t mean everyone feels the same way or is doing there kid the same way. That’s why I never replied to his first comment an if I had better knowledge on the MS kids I would love to help someone but I don’t see many MS kids until state 

13 minutes ago, BeastMode23 said:

Yes sir they do. I understand what he said but that don’t mean everyone feels the same way or is doing there kid the same way. That’s why I never replied to his first comment an if I had better knowledge on the MS kids I would love to help someone but I don’t see many MS kids until state 

I’d put some together, but don’t see any results for Johnson central. The rankings would basically be region 1-4. 

19 minutes ago, DrBaker said:

This shows that coaches, kids, and parents do care about rankings. 

That’s high school. If you go back to my original post, I said that only high school rankings matter. Again, if you want middle school rankings, then grab the bull by the horns and create them. Me personally, I don’t see a purpose in middle school rankings in Kentucky…in my opinion.

1 minute ago, DrBaker said:

I’d put some together, but don’t see any results for Johnson central. The rankings would basically be region 1-4. 

I understand yeah I’m not sure really we have not be with the middle school much this season 

18 minutes ago, BeastMode23 said:

Yes sir they do. I understand what he said but that don’t mean everyone feels the same way or is doing there kid the same way. That’s why I never replied to his first comment an if I had better knowledge on the MS kids I would love to help someone but I don’t see many MS kids until state 

Here’s another suggestion for the pro-rankers: Contact the governing body of Kentucky Middle School wrestling and see if their officers are willing to put in the effort to make rankings. After all, the problem appears to be lack of “finding information” on performances. Right? Well, our governing body would be a place to start. 

6 minutes ago, Coach Livingston said:

Here’s another suggestion for the pro-rankers: Contact the governing body of Kentucky Middle School wrestling and see if their officers are willing to put in the effort to make rankings. After all, the problem appears to be lack of “finding information” on performances. Right? Well, our governing body would be a place to start. 

Thanks for the info I just went from being a father to asking about rankings to being a pro ranker who knows maybe I can go for pro coach next season again thanks for the info 

It's really hard to post rankings without getting any results. In high school, you can look at the season and see all the results from every single tournament or dual meet.

The lack of middle school events and therefore information available on Trackwrestling make doing rankings at this level at best, extremely difficult. You could maybe get some info off the kids that are wrestling a lot at the high school level, but that would be far from comprehensive. In years past there were always nice sized tournaments throughout the state every weekend that featured big matchups. Those events just aren't happening now. I think MS rankings are fun, but I just don't see how anyone could put together anything this year.

9 minutes ago, BeastMode23 said:

Thanks for the info I just went from being a father to asking about rankings to being a pro ranker who knows maybe I can go for pro coach next season again thanks for the info 

You’re welcome! I’m all about efficiency & problem solving. For example: It was easier to write “pro-ranker” than it was to write “person(s) who are in favor of a level of measurement that shows which wrestler is better than the other wrestler based on their previous wins and losses.”…

11 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:

The lack of middle school events and therefore information available on Trackwrestling make doing rankings at this level at best, extremely difficult. You could maybe get some info off the kids that are wrestling a lot at the high school level, but that would be far from comprehensive. In years past there were always nice sized tournaments throughout the state every weekend that featured big matchups. Those events just aren't happening now. I think MS rankings are fun, but I just don't see how anyone could put together anything this year.

Agreed. Fun for sure, especially bragging on our kids to coworkers, family, etc. Maybe at the next Kentucky Folkstyle Wrestling Committee meeting someone could make a motion that there be a mandatory database where all youth wrestling results our housed? Just thinking out loud here…

Battle of the Brave and Bluegrass Nationals are the next couple weeks - both on track. 

Here's a list of tournaments you can currently find on track:

3 River Rumble

Ryle Raider Rumble

Henderson County

Harrison County Middle School tournament

Battle of Georgetown Duals

Boyle County MS tournament 

While the data points are smaller compared to pre-COVID, there's enough to have an idea what kids are having good years.  Maybe that's how the "rankings" should be.  Rank the top 6 kids alphabetically. I just don't care enough to do all that leg work.

Here is someone a start. I am sure it’s not accurate and there are some head to head match ups I didn’t see.  One thing is for sure. 105 and 113 gets deep. 

70

Carson Matney

Uriah Rainy

75

Cody Blevins

Joseph Carr

Blake Lemaster

80

Marita Kinley

Max Nance

Jaxson Mayberry

86

Madden Brown

Zack Scott

Brycen Gray

Brennen East

92

Kayson White

Corbin Nance

Luke Cornwell

98

Brayden Blevins

Cooper Scott 

105

Jayden Raney

Ryan Smith

Micah Thompson

Kentrell Mayfield

Colton Motta

113

Jordyn Raney

George Dennis

Luke Thomas

Jayven Williams

Charles Young

Kaygen Roberts

120

James Morris

Utah Heady

Carson Herbst

130

Andrew Tarango

Deameion Leavelle

Gage Clevidence 

140

Gavin Becker

Abe Fletcher

152

Owen Lamar

Isaiah Harris

Jaden Justice 

170

Dalton Matney

Dj Wilson

Jax Crowe

Mac Darland

190

Nick Baldwin

Hvy  

Colton lewis

Peyton Mayo

Drew Ferguson

Austin Cummings

If you look in Middle School Trackwrestling for state of KY there is only like 8 teams listed. There are a lot of other teams that just dont use track and its free. Just hard to find events and even teams results its not that teams dont wrestle its just nowhere to find all the results. But middle school is getting better and bigger everyday.

13 hours ago, panthers said:

If you look in Middle School Trackwrestling for state of KY there is only like 8 teams listed. There are a lot of other teams that just dont use track and its free. Just hard to find events and even teams results its not that teams dont wrestle its just nowhere to find all the results. But middle school is getting better and bigger everyday.

I don’t know about bigger and better. The lack of events the last two years is scary, and there are more than a handful of teams that were very good and well represented 5 or 6 years ago that really don’t exist anymore. There used to be enough teams and wrestlers to hold district tournaments to qualify for region, and now some regions are on life support.

7 hours ago, rjs4470 said:

I don’t know about bigger and better. The lack of events the last two years is scary, and there are more than a handful of teams that were very good and well represented 5 or 6 years ago that really don’t exist anymore. There used to be enough teams and wrestlers to hold district tournaments to qualify for region, and now some regions are on life support.

I give that to you but I guess I mean bigger in the fact that seems more high school teams have a feeder team of some kind and years ago that just wasn't the case. Only a few did now those that did your right they might have been better. I agree covid has done a number on middle and youth teams alike. Its hard enough to get through a high school season rather than try and manage a high school and middle at the same time. I believe we would do better if the two seasons were not over lapped but nobody agrees. That way the only matches on Saturdays would be middle school and teams would attend Sundays just dont work for lots of teams for lots of reason. Lets just hope covid ends and things get easier but I just don't see that happening. The smaller programs that run on a tiny staff and little to no school support are going to continue to struggle in covid times. 

7 hours ago, rjs4470 said:

I don’t know about bigger and better. The lack of events the last two years is scary, and there are more than a handful of teams that were very good and well represented 5 or 6 years ago that really don’t exist anymore. There used to be enough teams and wrestlers to hold district tournaments to qualify for region, and now some regions are on life support.

43 minutes ago, panthers said:

I give that to you but I guess I mean bigger in the fact that seems more high school teams have a feeder team of some kind and years ago that just wasn't the case. Only a few did now those that did your right they might have been better. I agree covid has done a number on middle and youth teams alike. Its hard enough to get through a high school season rather than try and manage a high school and middle at the same time. I believe we would do better if the two seasons were not over lapped but nobody agrees. That way the only matches on Saturdays would be middle school and teams would attend Sundays just dont work for lots of teams for lots of reason. Lets just hope covid ends and things get easier but I just don't see that happening. The smaller programs that run on a tiny staff and little to no school support are going to continue to struggle in covid times. 

 

Ok I’m not following. We don’t have our middle school wrestling sundays now. They wrestle on saturdays. Some times our kids will do youth opens on Sundays. If the seasons didn’t over lap then they would cut into baseball and football season. Which almost all of our kids play 2-3 sports. So that would really cut down the numbers in state. 

3 hours ago, WVhighlander said:

Ok I’m not following. We don’t have our middle school wrestling sundays now. They wrestle on saturdays. Some times our kids will do youth opens on Sundays. If the seasons didn’t over lap then they would cut into baseball and football season. Which almost all of our kids play 2-3 sports. So that would really cut down the numbers in state. 

Maybe it would maybe it wouldn't and yes Sundays are youth which is just another name for more middle school matches and add in the younger kids too. I get it again as I said people don't want separate seasons or shorter that's hurting together as you said it all is hurting us in one way or another.  Some areas don't have the means to do all same time which I think hurts numbers more but we all just keep on keeping on doing the best each can. Baseball nor football would ever be hurt but if all seasons continue to run for 6 months out of the year which they do now football July-Dec (if you add in MId playoffs) Wrestling Nov-March and Baseball Feb-Aug if you count All-stars and travel. They already run into each other so push back middle school some Start Feb to finish in April then the kids might miss some baseball but would be there when it counts and they wouldn't compete for gyms against high school wrestling or refs. Any kid that wanted to wrestle early and more can go to all the youth tourneys that are open anyways.  All kids have to miss some of something and usually its the start of the next season. In high school its the same way. If you play football and wrestle you wont join wrestling till right before the season starts and if you play baseball after wrestling then your season would start just a couple weeks after State and you might have already missed pre-season games. Just a different view not saying either is wrong or right but if we are saying we have a problem we cant just keep it the same and hope it fixes itself. 

Add in

130- Gage Clevidence 

140- Abe Fletcher

hwt- Austin Cummings 

Luke Thomas? 

21 minutes ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

Luke Thomas? 

34 minutes ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

 

26 minutes ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

Luke Thomas? 

Is he going to stay at 113?

I have zero inside knowledge of what Union county is planning to do. But, if the bodies are weighing within a certain range, I wouldn’t be surprised if:

raney - 100

thomas - 107 

raney - 115

heady - 123

Those bring massive team points. Again, totally contingent on what kids weigh and if that’s even possible. It might not be; and we will see a couple Union kids wrestling for the same state title. I have no doubt they will try to maximize team points any way they can. 

My completely off the wall and no idea what really happens guess is the Raneys bump up. 
Luke Thomas - 107
Utah Heady - 115
Jayden Raney - 122
Jordyn Raney -132
Gage Clevidence -132
Abe Fletcher -142

That is a murderer's row for middle of the lineup. 

2 hours ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

My completely off the wall and no idea what really happens guess is the Raneys bump up. 
Luke Thomas - 107
Utah Heady - 115
Jayden Raney - 122
Jordyn Raney -132
Gage Clevidence -132
Abe Fletcher -142

That is a murderer's row for middle of the lineup. 

Ask your brother. He’s the coach. Lol. 

17 hours ago, GentleBeard said:

I have zero inside knowledge of what Union county is planning to do. But, if the bodies are weighing within a certain range, I wouldn’t be surprised if:

raney - 100

thomas - 107 

raney - 115

heady - 123

Those bring massive team points. Again, totally contingent on what kids weigh and if that’s even possible. It might not be; and we will see a couple Union kids wrestling for the same state title. I have no doubt they will try to maximize team points any way they can. 

More of a chance for Thomas to cut than Jayden. He’s gonna wrestle where he’s at. 

On 1/27/2022 at 4:27 PM, DrBaker said:

More of a chance for Thomas to cut than Jayden. He’s gonna wrestle where he’s at. 

thomas wrestled 113 last weekend and he weighed 115.0