Anyone got any top picks for middle school weights?? 

I don’t know much about the upper weights, but here are some of my picks: 

70- Carson Matney or Hawk Daughbaugh

75- Cody Blevins or Blake Lemaster

80- Max Nance

86- Madden Brown

92-

98- Braydan Blevins

105- Jayden Raney

113- Jordyn Raney

121- Utah Heady

Feel free to add on but most of these wrestlers have already proved their dominance at each weight in the past and this season

2 hours ago, Thatkywrestler said:

I don’t know much about the upper weights, but here are some of my picks: 

70- Carson Matney or Hawk Daughbaugh

75- Cody Blevins or Blake Lemaster

80- Max Nance

86- Madden Brown

92-

98- Braydan Blevins

105- Jayden Raney

113- Jordyn Raney

121- Utah Heady

Feel free to add on but most of these wrestlers have already proved their dominance at each weight in the past and this season

 

Thanks looks pretty close to what I have seen as well. I’ve not got to look at a lot of MS this season also I’m not sure what Dalton Matney is but he would be in there somewhere

27 minutes ago, BeastMode23 said:

Thanks looks pretty close to what I have seen as well. I’ve not got to look at a lot of MS this season also I’m not sure what Dalton Matney is but he would be in there somewhere

Like he said, he was only posting the lower weights because that's all he knows. Matney would be at 168 or 190 if I were go guess.

15 minutes ago, wrestling78 said:

Like he said, he was only posting the lower weights because that's all he knows. Matney would be at 168 or 190 if I were go guess.

Yes that’s the same for me I don’t know the upper weights I don’t know the lower as well I have not seen many but I have seen some of the names he said 

3 hours ago, BeastMode23 said:

Thanks looks pretty close to what I have seen as well. I’ve not got to look at a lot of MS this season also I’m not sure what Dalton Matney is but he would be in there somewhere

Yeah he would definitely be a state champ somewhere also

Haven’t watched much this year but Luke Thomas has been to the finals in the last 2 years. 

1 hour ago, Lst said:

Haven’t watched much this year but Luke Thomas has been to the finals in the last 2 years. 

Yes, he has beaten braydan Blevins who I have ranked number one at 98, but he is 113 pounds and nobody is beating the raneys. If he does decide to cut, him and Blevins should be a really good match

Kayson White for 92

I have similar ideas and I also haven't heard much about larger weights because my kid is smaller

70-Hawk  Daughbaugh or Peyton Fowler

75-Case Simmons

80-Jaxson Mayberry

86-Madden Brown

92-Kayson White

105-Jayden Raney

113-Jordyn Raney

121-Utah Heady

On 1/24/2022 at 10:20 AM, KYWRESTLER2021 said:

I have similar ideas and I also haven't heard much about larger weights because my kid is smaller

70-Hawk  Daughbaugh or Peyton Fowler

75-Case Simmons

80-Jaxson Mayberry

86-Madden Brown

92-Kayson White

105-Jayden Raney

113-Jordyn Raney

121-Utah Heady

 

That seems accurate enough, but at 70, Peyton Fowler has not placed and returning placer Carson matney will

be there so he will likely get the edge. And at 80 there is returning champion max nance and jaxson Mayberry has not placed

3 hours ago, Thatkywrestler said:

That seems accurate enough, but at 70, Peyton Fowler has not placed and returning placer Carson matney will

be there so he will likely get the edge. And at 80 there is returning champion max nance and jaxson Mayberry has not placed

You have a point but Matney and Peyton have not wrestled and I could not find results for Eastern teams so I was not sure Matney was still at 70

9 minutes ago, KYWRESTLER2021 said:

You have a point but Matney and Peyton have not wrestled and I could not find results for Eastern teams so I was not sure Matney was still at 70

Matney was listed at 70 at their dual last week but no results were posted.  A friend of mine in eastern KY said matney was at 75 this year so who knows?  My boy wrestles around that weight and based on what we have seen at 70 and results vs common opponents Hawk and Matney are probably at the top for 70.  

Aren’t the Raney’s wrestling HS? They should win that easily so why do MS? Or is it just speculation that they’ll do both? 

23 hours ago, JHamBCalumni said:

Aren’t the Raney’s wrestling HS? They should win that easily so why do MS? Or is it just speculation that they’ll do both? 

They are going to do both. 

On 2/8/2022 at 3:09 PM, JHamBCalumni said:

Aren’t the Raney’s wrestling HS? They should win that easily so why do MS? Or is it just speculation that they’ll do both? 

Im sure it would have something to do with the team title.  Although they are way ahead of the competition in KY at the middle school level Id say a team title still means something to them and their team.   

They have both dominated their classes for years and haven’t received mow. They might need to change the rule and give it to two. 

1 hour ago, DrBaker said:

They have both dominated their classes for years and haven’t received mow. They might need to change the rule and give it to two. 

I would definitely cut weight to avoid them.  Thought I’d throw that out there since I saw a thread about cutting weight to avoid the best.

I can’t help but feel bad for their teammates in their respective weight classes. Shutting them out of a chance at an individual title state title seems pretty selfish IMO because we all know they won’t be beat. 

8 minutes ago, JHamBCalumni said:

I can’t help but feel bad for their teammates in their respective weight classes. Shutting them out of a chance at an individual title state title seems pretty selfish IMO because we all know they won’t be beat. 

If they do it for a team title, they’ll separate themselves to maximize points. One can go 107 if they aren’t cutting weight and the other can go 130. 107-142 could march into the finals with bonus points. Individually, it makes zero sense. 

2 hours ago, DrBaker said:

They have both dominated their classes for years and haven’t received mow. They might need to change the rule and give it to two. 

Not correct Dr. Baker on 2 points… Jordyn Raney (Union) Was MOW last Year from 105 and below. Rider Trumble (Ryle) was Mow 113 and above 

11 hours ago, 44 dad said:

Not correct Dr. Baker on 2 points… Jordyn Raney (Union) Was MOW last Year from 105 and below. Rider Trumble (Ryle) was Mow 113 and above 

 

Awesome. I missed last year. 

So let me get this straight… a kid cannot place in top 4 at middle school then compete their age/weight at youth state. But a kid can go to high school state and win/place and can still win/place same at middle school?!? Something seems wrong with this if I’m understanding correctly?!?

please clarify.

1 hour ago, BaxterBigD said:

So let me get this straight… a kid cannot place in top 4 at middle school then compete their age/weight at youth state. But a kid can go to high school state and win/place and can still win/place same at middle school?!? Something seems wrong with this if I’m understanding correctly?!?

please clarify.

That’s it. 

This is completely absurd. There should be no stipulation between Middle school and youth state if there is none between high school and middle school. Why should it be any different? I guess I need to actually contact a governing body such as USA wrestling board instead of a forum to better understand this. I’m new to all of this just this year and learning as I go, but that seems completely unfair, needs a universal rule. 

In the past middle school has always ended before high school.

36 minutes ago, wrestling78 said:

In the past middle school has always ended before high school.

Oh I see what you are saying- so this had never had a reason to be addressed before.

3 hours ago, BaxterBigD said:

Oh I see what you are saying- so this had never had a reason to be addressed before.

Yes. It’s never been a big deal until now. Last year Jordyn Raney won ms, then 2 weeks later won high school. Gonna be a little different this year after high school. There will be 6 or 8 high school placers going back to ms. 
 

1 hour ago, DrBaker said:

Yes. It’s never been a big deal until now. Last year Jordyn Raney won ms, then 2 weeks later won high school. Gonna be a little different this year after high school. There will be 6 or 8 high school placers going back to ms. 
 

Or maybe they will realize that they are beyond Middle School and not bother. 

25 minutes ago, naplesme said:

Or maybe they will realize that they are beyond Middle School and not bother. 

Leavell going to skip it? 

really MS needs to go back to ending prior to HS season. This season is WAYYYYYYYYYY too long. 

7 hours ago, halfhalfhalf said:

really MS needs to go back to ending prior to HS season. This season is WAYYYYYYYYYY too long. 

Yes. Losing kids to soccer and baseball. Not good to grow wrestling. 

8 hours ago, halfhalfhalf said:

really MS needs to go back to ending prior to HS season. This season is WAYYYYYYYYYY too long. 

I originally voted for the extended season and I agree.  For the kids who are serious it is fine. The kids who are just getting introduced to it or aren't year around are struggling with it for sure.  

10 minutes ago, GooglyMoogly said:

I originally voted for the extended season and I agree.  For the kids who are serious it is fine. The kids who are just getting introduced to it or aren't year around are struggling with it for sure.  

After the yr is over I am going to speak up during the zoom meeting to propose a change. We cannot expect a young kid who is getting into the sport to last from Nov-Mar. I get it you have serious kids about competing but again this is Middle School. There are PLENTY of opportunities in surrounding states to get matches. 

If this extended season mess continues, we will see a decline in participation. I know in the western part of the state has seen a significant increase and I am afraid if the ridiculously long season continues we will see a decrease in #s. Shoot I am going to be missing a part of my team because of spring break starts MS Region weekend now. 

So I’m assuming the rule will be null/void for MS and youth now as well? For instance- kids can now compete MS state and place/win, then compete youth the next day if they are not technically Middle school and are an elementary age? Since the high school/middle school thing is acceptable…

It's a joke.  Youth should be able to do both youth and middle school. Or make 12u and 14u at youth state for beginners or kids that didn't Qual through regional.  Also don't understand why held back 3rd grade kids can't do middle school.  

18 hours ago, BrandonBrooks28 said:

It's a joke.  Youth should be able to do both youth and middle school. Or make 12u and 14u at youth state for beginners or kids that didn't Qual through regional.  Also don't understand why held back 3rd grade kids can't do middle school.  

MS allowed grades are 4th-8th. High school is 7th-12th. HS doesn't allow a held back 6th grader to compete as well. Those are the strict grade requirements. 

So hypothetically a 7th grader could win HS state, go on to win MS state, and if so desired could wrestle at youth state in their respective age bracket and win that too??? LOL IMO if a MS kid even places at HS state they shouldn’t be permitted to wrestle in MS. 

Your top 105 and 113 middle school kids are almost always high school state placers. This year the middle school is just after high school. Also we had our first 7th grader win high school last year. Usually isn’t an issue because middle schools is before high school.  For most of the kids that will place in high school and go back to wrestle middle school it’s so they can try to win a team title. 

1 hour ago, WVhighlander said:

Your top 105 and 113 middle school kids are almost always high school state placers. This year the middle school is just after high school. Also we had our first 7th grader win high school last year. Usually isn’t an issue because middle schools is before high school.  For most of the kids that will place in high school and go back to wrestle middle school it’s so they can try to win a team title. 

That’s untrue that last year was the first time a 7th grader won HS state. It has happened before. 

13 minutes ago, JHamBCalumni said:

That’s untrue that last year was the first time a 7th grader won HS state. It has happened before. 

Not in this state. Mark Hall (Ryle) was runner up to Bradbury (Trinity) which was the closest any 7th grader has got to winning High School state until Jordyn Raney last year. 

Didn’t know you were speaking of just KY. My bad man. Then yes grade wise it was. However, age wise there have been some around the same. Raneys were 14 in “7th grade” which is your average age of an 8th grader……which KY has had previous HS state champs in that grade. Subjective to age I suppose. Regardless there needs to be set rules and set criteria. 

3 hours ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

MS allowed grades are 4th-8th. High school is 7th-12th. HS doesn't allow a held back 6th grader to compete as well. Those are the strict grade requirements. 

Can 15yo 8th graders wrestle middle school?

14 minutes ago, JHamBCalumni said:

Didn’t know you were speaking of just KY. My bad man. Then yes grade wise it was. However, age wise there have been some around the same. Raneys were 14 in “7th grade” which is your average age of an 8th grader……which KY has had previous HS state champs in that grade. Subjective to age I suppose. Regardless there needs to be set rules and set criteria. 

They are 14 now I believe. I think they were 13 when they won.  Still a huge accomplishment to win a high school state title  eapeciallly when you think about some of the kids that came through the state over the years.  
 

2 minutes ago, BrandonBrooks28 said:

Can 15yo 8th graders wrestle middle school?

 

Yes. As long as they turn 15 after the cut off. Which is In September I believe. 

Just now, BrandonBrooks28 said:

Can 15yo 8th graders wrestle middle school?

 

Unfortunately. George Dennis and James Morris are two examples. 15 now and actually turn 16 this year. It’s a shame in my opinion and nothing to be proud of when you’re wrestling 11, 12, 13 year old kids. But until the powers that be rectify it then it is what it is. 

1 minute ago, JHamBCalumni said:

Unfortunately. George Dennis and James Morris are two examples. 15 now and actually turn 16 this year. It’s a shame in my opinion and nothing to be proud of when you’re wrestling 11, 12, 13 year old kids. But until the powers that be rectify it then it is what it is. 

They won’t be 16 this school year. As long as they are within the guidelines set out by the governing body then what’s the big deal?  

3 minutes ago, WVhighlander said:

They won’t be 16 this school year. As long as they are within the guidelines set out by the governing body then what’s the big deal?  

Didn’t say it was a “big deal” did I buddy? LOL But let’s call a spade a spade…..most 8th graders aren’t 15 and nothing to brag about. LOL And literally said it is what it is. 

1 minute ago, JHamBCalumni said:

Didn’t say it was a “big deal” did I buddy? LOL But let’s call a spade a spade…..most 8th graders aren’t 15 and nothing to brag about. LOL And literally said it is what it is. 

Yeah you are still making it sound like it’s a big deal. Winning a state championship might be a big deal to them. I don’t know. If they want to brag about it they can. It’s something to be proud of.  
 

1 minute ago, WVhighlander said:

Yeah you are still making it sound like it’s a big deal. Winning a state championship might be a big deal to them. I don’t know. If they want to brag about it they can. It’s something to be proud of.  
 

Something to be proud of when you beat kids way younger than you (MS)……versus something to be proud of when you beat kids your own age (HS)?? Yeaaaaaaaaaa not so much my man. I honestly got no bones I’m calling it like it is. My grandson is 7th grade and 12 and is going to HS semi state. I’m just being honest and I’m sorry if that offends you bro. Call a spade a spade. 

Just now, JHamBCalumni said:

Something to be proud of when you beat kids way younger than you (MS)……versus something to be proud of when you beat kids your own age (HS)?? Yeaaaaaaaaaa not so much my man. I honestly got no bones I’m calling it like it is. My grandson is 7th grade and 12 and is going to HS semi state. I’m just being honest and I’m sorry if that offends you bro. Call a spade a spade. 

Didn’t say it offended me. Just said it’s something to be proud of. But you seem to be very confrontational. Plus the morris kid also won his region and is going to semi state. I don’t think George can wrestle high school yet. Congrats to your grandson. Is he at 113?  

3 minutes ago, WVhighlander said:

Didn’t say it offended me. Just said it’s something to be proud of. But you seem to be very confrontational. Plus the morris kid also won his region and is going to semi state. I don’t think George can wrestle high school yet. Congrats to your grandson. Is he at 113?  

You’re missing the point. That’s what what I’m saying. So what he won his region? He’s gonna be 16 in a few months. HS or MS. Doesn’t matter. 
No my grandson is 120. 

2 minutes ago, JHamBCalumni said:

You’re missing the point. That’s what what I’m saying. So what he won his region? He’s gonna be 16 in a few months. HS or MS. Doesn’t matter. 
No my grandson is 120. 

I am missing the point I guess. He won his high school region against kids his age and older. I thought your point was he’s not competing against kids his age. At this rate I don’t think i will ever get it I guess. Some days I’m just too slow to keep up. Good luck to your grandson. What semi state will he be at. 1 or 2

3 minutes ago, WVhighlander said:

I am missing the point I guess. He won his high school region against kids his age and older. I thought your point was he’s not competing against kids his age. At this rate I don’t think i will ever get it I guess. Some days I’m just too slow to keep up. Good luck to your grandson. What semi state will he be at. 1 or 2

Yes, you are missing it because this is in the “Youth” section of the messsge boards. If you or anyone else wants to brag about what he or any other “old” 8th grader did then take it to the “High School” section. It’s not that hard to comprehend. Really. Sorry you’re slow and can’t grasp that. 

1 minute ago, JHamBCalumni said:

Yes, you are missing it because this is in the “Youth” section of the messsge boards. If you or anyone else wants to brag about what he or any other “old” 8th grader did then take it to the “High School” section. It’s not that hard to comprehend. Really. Sorry you’re slow and can’t grasp that. 

Wow you are really trying to be abrasive. I am not bragging about anyone. Just trying to understand your point. But you keep just trying to make it into a conflict. Some times the topics become intertwined with high school. By the way you were bragging about your grandson making it to high school semi state on this topic correct?  Which you should. It’s something to be proud of too. But should you mention that here or on the high school section by your logic. Lol. 

2 hours ago, JHamBCalumni said:

Unfortunately. George Dennis and James Morris are two examples. 15 now and actually turn 16 this year. It’s a shame in my opinion and nothing to be proud of when you’re wrestling 11, 12, 13 year old kids. But until the powers that be rectify it then it is what it is. 

Is it a shame they are wrestling HS 17 an 18 year olds??? Some of them 17 year olds will be 18 an some of the 18 year olds will be 19 this year 

53 minutes ago, BeastMode23 said:

Is it a shame they are wrestling HS 17 an 18 year olds??? Some of them 17 year olds will be 18 an some of the 18 year olds will be 19 this year 

It’s not just James Morris but all three “middle school” wrestlers (Smith, Matney, and Morris) that Johnson central boasts about are going to be 16 this year. However I think it’s a trend that is seen more and more in schools. You can’t really blame the youth tournaments when they go by birth years. If they went by grades, it would be ridiculous. 

12 minutes ago, Cardinalcountry said:

It’s not just James Morris but all three “middle school” wrestlers (Smith, Matney, and Morris) that Johnson central boasts about are going to be 16 this year. However I think it’s a trend that is seen more and more in schools. You can’t really blame the youth tournaments when they go by birth years. If they went by grades, it would be ridiculous. 

Like I’ve told you before he has wrestled up in age an weight since he started I would bet if you really look into it over 75% of the kids are hold backs state wide 

21 minutes ago, BeastMode23 said:

Like I’ve told you before he has wrestled up in age an weight since he started I would bet if you really look into it over 75% of the kids are hold backs state wide 

Find that hard to believe. 

3 minutes ago, ukpridewrestler11 said:

Find that hard to believe. 

75% might be a little far fetched but it’s up there pretty good maybe not just in wrestling but all sports 

1 hour ago, BeastMode23 said:

Like I’ve told you before he has wrestled up in age an weight since he started I would bet if you really look into it over 75% of the kids are hold backs state wide 

Maybe in Eastern KY they are…

Nobody is knocking your kid or any of the (Hold Back Kids) but when you guys come on here talking about how proud you are for winning a MS tournament or winning/placing at a HS tournament as an  15 year old 8th grader it tends to aggravate the kids and parents who don’t hold their kids back and are truly wrestling their age or  up a weight class. You said he always wrestles up but last year at MS State he weighed in using the 2lb allowance at 113  that’s not Wrestling up… Wrestling up would be wrestling 121lb

Again not knocking your kid he’s pretty good but the best thing you guys could do is what the western part of the state does and not chime in on these arguments or not post stuff to bring the attention to it.     Good Luck to yours and all the kids this weekend and next 

15 minutes ago, 44 dad said:

Maybe in Eastern KY they are…

Nobody is knocking your kid or any of the (Hold Back Kids) but when you guys come on here talking about how proud you are for winning a MS tournament or winning/placing at a HS tournament as an  15 year old 8th grader it tends to aggravate the kids and parents who don’t hold their kids back and are truly wrestling their age or  up a weight class. You said he always wrestles up but last year at MS State he weighed in using the 2lb allowance at 113  that’s not Wrestling up… Wrestling up would be wrestling 121lb

Again not knocking your kid he’s pretty good but the best thing you guys could do is what the western part of the state does and not chime in on these arguments or not post stuff to bring the attention to it.     Good Luck to yours and all the kids this weekend and next 

I don’t recall ever getting on here posting anything about my kid beating a Middle school kid or winning a middle school tournament. Your right I should have rephrased it about the weight I’m talking about tournaments not for the school if you look him up on flow you can see he was 86lbs for or season I drove him 16 hours  to Oklahoma  for the  Reno worlds tournament an I believe bumped him up to 100-105 lbs he has never wrestled a off season tournament his weight I’ve taken him to plenty of tournaments like that. 
 

But I will keep my mouth shut just because it’s not worth the augment it all works out on the mat 

Good luck to you an yours as well 

1 hour ago, BeastMode23 said:

I don’t recall ever getting on here posting anything about my kid beating a Middle school kid or winning a middle school tournament. Your right I should have rephrased it about the weight I’m talking about tournaments not for the school if you look him up on flow you can see he was 86lbs for or season I drove him 16 hours  to Oklahoma  for the  Reno worlds tournament an I believe bumped him up to 100-105 lbs he has never wrestled a off season tournament his weight I’ve taken him to plenty of tournaments like that. 
 

But I will keep my mouth shut just because it’s not worth the augment it all works out on the mat 

Good luck to you an yours as well 

Soooooo… 1 Tournament…. I’m not a big flo guy but looking him up on track he was at the same tournament my son was at in 2019 (age based)  and we were in the novice bracket he was in the middle school bracket and we are now a freshman…  again not wrestling up

Ur kids are pretty good…and thats great, but when you guys come on here saying there winning HS Brackets at 106/113 as MS kids when they should be freshman  its not that Impressive so just let them stay under the radar and it will all work out. Again Good Luck in the post season I’m sure your kid will do great l’m pulling for him 

I love this conversation about hold backs. Let's flip the coin. I've got 3 boys. All of them turned 18 after their last season of sports or will turn 18 after their last season. My oldest turned 18 a week after placing at the state tournament for the 2nd time in a row(March). Turned down multiple athletic scholarships to join the work force. Makes a ton of money for a 19 almost 20 year old now and will be eligible to retire when he is 48. My middle turns 18 during the region baseball tournament his senior year(May). He has been all district, region, area and has multiple scholarship opportunities in baseball. My youngest turns 18 2 weeks before the district baseball tournament his senior year(April). He was also all district, region, area, in 2 sports and good lord willing will have scholarship opportunities as well when he is a senior. Started on time, finished on time and all were successful. I didn't take the time when they were in 3rd grade or 4th or 5th or 6th to hold them back. By the time they were in 7th I couldn't hold them back without them sitting out a year per KDE and KHSAA guidelines. Then covid hits and our school system didn't allow covid holdbacks. So... Hooray for the kids and parents that do it on time and are successful! 

P.S. Could each of them been better off being held back? Possibly. Did I or do I go to games or matches and say well he's only 17 and a senior or 16 and a junior or 15 and a sophomore? No. Does anyone care? Doubtful. 

I held my boy back during the covid year because I didn't want him starting a new grade sitting at home.  Probably would have anyway though.  Just weighing the positives vs negatives I just feel like might as well do it. If they are in sports and have dreams of competing at the next level I don't see how being a year older would hurt.  Alot of the younger ones end up with red shirt year anyway. Dept of Education steers kids away from it because it cost the state more money to get them through school.  Has nothing to do with what's best for the kid.  Just my take on it.  

38 minutes ago, BrandonBrooks28 said:

I held my boy back during the covid year because I didn't want him starting a new grade sitting at home.  Probably would have anyway though.  Just weighing the positives vs negatives I just feel like might as well do it. If they are in sports and have dreams of competing at the next level I don't see how being a year older would hurt.  Alot of the younger ones end up with red shirt year anyway. Dept of Education steers kids away from it because it cost the state more money to get them through school.  Has nothing to do with what's best for the kid.  Just my take on it.  

Same here but to be honest your damned if don’t an damned if you do. Never knew they was so many Karen’s but I can say this it’s definitely the best thing I ever done for my son. LETS GO BRANDON!!!

Just putting this out here.

I guess if there is not any stipulations between MS,HS, and youth, I guess a child can win state for HS, then state title for MS the following weekend, then the next day wrestle 14U/12u or whatever their birth year is at state and win a title at every level. Something, again, does not seem right here.
 

6 minutes ago, BaxterBigD said:

Just putting this out here.

I guess if there is not any stipulations between MS,HS, and youth, I guess a child can win state for HS, then state title for MS the following weekend, then the next day wrestle 14U/12u or whatever their birth year is at state and win a title at every level. Something, again, does not seem right here.
 

Once a kid places in middle school I don’t think they can wrestle youth state. That’s what I was told anyways 

Try facing 16 year old 8th graders with 13 year old 8th graders for a state football championship! It looks so wrong. Still don't know how we won that one. 

Good luck wrestlers!

4 hours ago, BeastMode23 said:

Once a kid places in middle school I don’t think they can wrestle youth state. That’s what I was told anyways 

Based on the rules last year that is accurate. To my knowledge the bylaws haven’t changed. (Not arguing whether you agree with it or not, just starting the facts). Students that chose to wrestle middle school state (regardless of their age/grade) can not wrestle in youth state if they place at Middle School State. Students that compete at Middle School state but do not place can still wrestle youth state. So if your 9 year old 4th grader places at middle school regions, competes at middle school state and comes in 5th place then they are basically forfeiting their chance to compete at youth state. If you qualify at MS regions you can defer your spot for Middle School state and opt into youth state instead if you decide you prefer to wrestle youth. 

12 minutes ago, Sarah White said:

Based on the rules last year that is accurate. To my knowledge the bylaws haven’t changed. (Not arguing whether you agree with it or not, just starting the facts). Students that chose to wrestle middle school state (regardless of their age/grade) can not wrestle in youth state if they place at Middle School State. Students that compete at Middle School state but do not place can still wrestle youth state. So if your 9 year old 4th grader places at middle school regions, competes at middle school state and comes in 5th place then they are basically forfeiting their chance to compete at youth state. If you qualify at MS regions you can defer your spot for Middle School state and opt into youth state instead if you decide you prefer to wrestle youth. 

Yes mam that’s the way I understand it 

LOL…Here’s some perspective on why soon to be 16 year olds wrestling middle school is never OK… This year in a wrestling dual/tournament in Kentucky you can literally and potentially have a kid born in 2006 wrestling a kid born in 2012 or 2013 (4th grader)… Let that sink in from a safety and common sense perspective and please correct me if I’m wrong about the potential age difference. 
 

To each, their own…I reckon.

25 minutes ago, Coach Livingston said:

LOL…Here’s some perspective on why soon to be 16 year olds wrestling middle school is never OK… This year in a wrestling dual/tournament in Kentucky you can literally and potentially have a kid born in 2006 wrestling a kid born in 2012 or 2013 (4th grader)… Let that sink in from a safety and common sense perspective and please correct me if I’m wrong about the potential age difference. 
 

To each, their own…I reckon.

Well I can understand that somewhat but here is the way I see it 4th grade is not a middle schooler so why are they there in the first place should only be 6th 7th 8th just like people letting there middle school kid wrestle HighSchool then get on here an try to convince everyone that held there kid back how wrong they are just my opinion 

47 minutes ago, BeastMode23 said:

Well I can understand that somewhat but here is the way I see it 4th grade is not a middle schooler so why are they there in the first place should only be 6th 7th 8th just like people letting there middle school kid wrestle HighSchool then get on here an try to convince everyone that held there kid back how wrong they are just my opinion 

I'd say they just allow it so the lower weights will get filled

6 minutes ago, BrandonBrooks28 said:

I'd say they just allow it so the lower weights will get filled

Yep 

Here are the bylaws relevant to this discussion.
They have not changed.

2 minutes ago, CoachC said:

Here are the bylaws relevant to this discussion.
They have not changed.

Thanks for sharing this 

1 hour ago, BeastMode23 said:

Well I can understand that somewhat but here is the way I see it 4th grade is not a middle schooler so why are they there in the first place should only be 6th 7th 8th just like people letting there middle school kid wrestle HighSchool then get on here an try to convince everyone that held there kid back how wrong they are just my opinion 

Here is the way MOST people see it…..why is a 15 year old in middle school? LOL LOL Imagine driving to school your freshman year LOL Y’all never cease to amaze me with this. 

1 hour ago, BeastMode23 said:

Well I can understand that somewhat but here is the way I see it 4th grade is not a middle schooler so why are they there in the first place should only be 6th 7th 8th just like people letting there middle school kid wrestle HighSchool then get on here an try to convince everyone that held there kid back how wrong they are just my opinion 

Man when your right your right !!! I want to be the first to admit I’ve been wrong this whole time. It’s the fourth and fifth graders fault for wanting to seek out better competition and wrestle up in age versus the 15/16-year-old eighth graders fault for wanting to sandbag an extra year to finally win that elusive MS State title (Which means nothing in the big picture) If your kids are wanting better competition then why even bother Wrestling middle school state. My son was a (barely ) 14-year-old eighth grader last year Wrestling up to high school as well and when we thought he was going to have to choose between middle school  regionals which would forfeit him out of middle school state and high school state duals (On the same day) when asked he said I want to wrestle high school state duals because thats where the best kids are. The rules are the rules your not breaking them and nobody’s saying you are,  but come Man if you knew you were right you wouldn’t be calling everyone A Karen  or your Lets Go Brandon crap.  Let your kid go out and wrestle !! Good Luck To You Guys !!! 

1 hour ago, CoachC said:

Here are the bylaws relevant to this discussion.
They have not changed.

I don’t think anybody said that it was illegal to have a 15 year old compete. It’s clear that they are permitted to wrestle middle school level in Kentucky. The difference maker in everyone’s argument is the “held back” factor. Like I said, to each; their own…but holding a kid back that’s literally about to be eligible to get his/her drivers license this year all while potentially wrestling a 4th grader at a KFWC sanctioned event is….well, weird. 
 

just my two pennies 
 

4 minutes ago, Coach Livingston said:

I don’t think anybody said that it was illegal to have a 15 year old compete. It’s clear that they are permitted to wrestle middle school level in Kentucky. The difference maker in everyone’s argument is the “held back” factor. Like I said, to each; their own…but holding a kid back that’s literally about to be eligible to get his/her drivers license this year all while potentially wrestling a 4th grader at a KFWC sanctioned event is….well, weird. 
 

just my two pennies 
 

 

Bingo coach! 

On 2/17/2022 at 4:34 PM, Sarah White said:

 

On 2/17/2022 at 4:34 PM, Sarah White said:

Based on the rules last year that is accurate. To my knowledge the bylaws haven’t changed. (Not arguing whether you agree with it or not, just starting the facts). Students that chose to wrestle middle school state (regardless of their age/grade) can not wrestle in youth state if they place at Middle School State. Students that compete at Middle School state but do not place can still wrestle youth state. So if your 9 year old 4th grader places at middle school regions, competes at middle school state and comes in 5th place then they are basically forfeiting their chance to compete at youth state. If you qualify at MS regions you can defer your spot for Middle School state and opt into youth state instead if you decide you prefer to wrestle youth. 

Looks like due to MS season length now the bylaws need to be adjusted is my point. Not saying I agree or disagree, just saying it should be considered universal. (Again- I’m new to all of this and learning as we go) While the above makes sense and like you said “hasn’t changed” the same is NOT in place for placing at HS state thus making the child ineligible to compete middle school state. It should be considered a universal bylaw and “grandfathered” per say when considering the child eligibility for middle school after they have placed at the high school state level. 

On 2/15/2022 at 5:00 PM, Cardinalcountry said:

It’s not just James Morris but all three “middle school” wrestlers (Smith, Matney, and Morris) that Johnson central boasts about are going to be 16 this year. However I think it’s a trend that is seen more and more in schools. You can’t really blame the youth tournaments when they go by birth years. If they went by grades, it would be ridiculous. 

Looks like the crying Martin County fan is back. 

18 hours ago, The Deputy said:

Looks like the crying Martin County fan is back. 

Riiiiiiiiight. If speaking facts is crying. Man, y’all eastern KY rednecks never cease to amaze me. Bro, stop dipping into the bottle you drink from LOL 

21 minutes ago, JHamBCalumni said:

Riiiiiiiiight. If speaking facts is crying. Man, y’all eastern KY rednecks never cease to amaze me. Bro, stop dipping into the bottle you drink from LOL 

Now was that very nice? It’s to early in the day for you to be already sauced and running your mouth on here snow flake. Let’s meet up next week at the state tournament. I’d like to meet you. 

20 hours ago, The Deputy said:

Looks like the crying Martin County fan is back. 

Lol sure ok Martin County! I don’t think so country boy. No offense against Martin county but I personally would never have any need nor desire to be anywhere near there. I’m way more west where the real wrestlers are. Since you probably don’t know how to tell east from west, we will be the ones winning the most matches Saturday. See ya Deputy Dog from the podium! A little FYI on the screen name, Martin county isn’t the only school that’s cardinal bud. 

We don’t cry about older kids in Martin co.  We wrestle whoever step on that mat reguardless of age .. all our ms kids are elementary kids and they don’t care how old the other kids are I promise 

So does anyone have an opinion on this? Looks like due to MS season length now the bylaws need to be adjusted is my point. Not saying I agree or disagree, just saying it should be considered universal. (Again- I’m new to all of this and learning as we go) While the above makes sense and like you said “hasn’t changed” the same is NOT in place for placing at HS state thus making the child ineligible to compete middle school state. It should be considered a universal bylaw and “grandfathered” in per say when considering the child eligibility for middle school after they have placed at the high school state level. Just like if you place in middle school state deeming you ineligible for youth.

I’m not convinced that future seasons will be this long. Therefore, no need to adjust bylaws right now. I’m sure there will be a vote and I know some of us who thought the longer season was appropriate would vote differently, now, in hindsight. Live and learn. I also happen to think we should have more mature conversations and not mimic middle schoolers on the forum (though no one is stopping you). This thread was initially about picking wrestlers who are contenders. The last 3 pages are a pretty serious digression from that. 

On 2/15/2022 at 5:25 PM, 44 dad said:

Maybe in Eastern KY they are…

Nobody is knocking your kid or any of the (Hold Back Kids) but when you guys come on here talking about how proud you are for winning a MS tournament or winning/placing at a HS tournament as an  15 year old 8th grader it tends to aggravate the kids and parents who don’t hold their kids back and are truly wrestling their age or  up a weight class. You said he always wrestles up but last year at MS State he weighed in using the 2lb allowance at 113  that’s not Wrestling up… Wrestling up would be wrestling 121lb

Again not knocking your kid he’s pretty good but the best thing you guys could do is what the western part of the state does and not chime in on these arguments or not post stuff to bring the attention to it.     Good Luck to yours and all the kids this weekend and next 

First I have no dog in the fight just been coaching a long time and will say this about the age subject. If you truly do have a 8th grader that will turn 16 before he is out of the 8th grade or before his freshman year starts. That might be allowed but a little helpful info for you people that are bothered by this info or rules to know. The same kid will not be allowed to wrestle their senior year of high school as they must not turn 19 before Aug 1 of their senior year. If they are which these kids will be they are not allowed to play any high school sport with no exceptions. 

41 minutes ago, panthers said:

First I have no dog in the fight just been coaching a long time and will say this about the age subject. If you truly do have a 8th grader that will turn 16 before he is out of the 8th grade or before his freshman year starts. That might be allowed but a little helpful info for you people that are bothered by this info or rules to know. The same kid will not be allowed to wrestle their senior year of high school as they must not turn 19 before Aug 1 of their senior year. If they are which these kids will be they are not allowed to play any high school sport with no exceptions. 

None  of the kids they have mentioned will be 19 before Aug 1 there senior year 

1 hour ago, BeastMode23 said:

None  of the kids they have mentioned will be 19 before Aug 1 there senior year 

If thats the case then they werent 15 to start 8th grade nor 16 did they turn during 8th grade because if they were that would make them 16 to start freshman year which is 19 for senior year. So maybe they just thought kids were 15 and 16 when they were actually 14 and 15 all good.

22 minutes ago, panthers said:

If thats the case then they werent 15 to start 8th grade nor 16 did they turn during 8th grade because if they were that would make them 16 to start freshman year which is 19 for senior year. So maybe they just thought kids were 15 and 16 when they were actually 14 and 15 all good.

Amen brother they don’t listen on here them boys just turned 15 few months back 

70- Carson Matney over Hawk Daughbaugh

75- Cody Blevins over Blake Lemaster

80- Max Nance over Marita Kinley

86- Madden Brown over Brennen East

92- Corbin Nance over Kayson White

98- Brayden Blevins over Cooper Scott

105- Jayden Raney over Micah Thompson

113- Jordyn Raney over Jayven Williams

121- James Morris over Carson Herbst

130- Boobie Leavell over Andrew Tarango

140- Abe Fletcher over Gavin Becker

152- Owen Lamer over Jax Crowe

168- Dalton Matney over DJ Wilson

190- Nick Baldwin over ?

hwt- Peyton Mayo over Colton Lewis

just guesses, interested to see where everyone plays out weight wise over the next week and a half for regionals.