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Middle school state > high school
Topic ID: 16460 | 45 Posts
Here's another picture.
very much a larger dungeon vibe.
only issue I can see is hotels in the area.
but for a venue to meet the needs of wrestling and the growth with girls sanctioning looming. This venue had the spacing, available mat spacing and potential accommodations.
3 hours ago, VisionQuest said:Not close enough to Lexington. My opinion.
This.
If this venue was within 35 minutes of KHSAA HQ then it would be a done deal.
Great looking venue, but let's be honest the KHSAA is NOT going to host any Championship anywhere they would be required to sleep somewhere other than their own beds. God forbid they do something in the best interests of anyone but themselves. JS
Congratulations to all the placers at the Kentucky Middle School Championships. The podium is a nice touch!!
Congratulations George!!! Beric Jordan is looking forward to working with you this summer at the Jeff Jordan State Champs.
21 hours ago, joemfs said:Hard Work!!!
I'm sure you're very proud of your kid and you have every reason to be, but you don't have to post it on a thread of reasons why we need to fix high school state.
3 minutes ago, grappler-of-old said:Sure he does.
Why Not?
Kills two birds with one stone?
Keep em commin Joemfs
It looks to me like nobody else likes it either. My point is this is not a thread to brag about your kids results at state.
4 hours ago, pin4thewin said:I'm sure you're very proud of your kid and you have every reason to be, but you don't have to post it on a thread of reasons why we need to fix high school state.
What you said…..and I’ll add my two cents. Don’t come on here and hijack a thread…..especially when this kid is a repeat 8th grader (home schooled but none the less a repeat) and technically shouldn’t have been permitted to wrestle. Also, age wise he turns 16 on August 1st. You can IMO be proud of the hard work but considering you’re wrestling kids you shouldn’t be and kids wayyyyy younger you have nothing to brag about.
6 minutes ago, JHamBCalumni said:What you said…..and I’ll add my two cents. Don’t come on here and hijack a thread…..especially when this kid is a repeat 8th grader (home schooled but none the less a repeat) and technically shouldn’t have been permitted to wrestle. Also, age wise he turns 16 on August 1st. You can IMO be proud of the hard work but considering you’re wrestling kids you shouldn’t be and kids wayyyyy younger you have nothing to brag about.
I agree, everybody else on that podium is 13 or just turned 14.
As far as the venue the place was really nice. My parents got a hotel the day before and was 5 mins away from arena of course they were super expensive also not the nicest place but got one. The problem I see is the internet was horrible with way to many delays and its not Lexington so wont be happening as stated before. In saying that I find it funny the Dungeon was mentioned on this thread because I told my assistant coach it reminded me of Frankfort in a lot of ways. As for the Middle School tourney I think it was a good location to have it just need to work out the internet problems, the communication on weigh-in issues could have been better and the food had very limited choices. All which are easy fixes I would think. Again I was pleasantly surprised.
Too funny!! George is not my son. Great job George and I can't wait to see you back in Ohio this summer!!
18 minutes ago, joemfs said:
Is that Beric Jordan? Is that your son? He’s a a monster wrestler. George is very good too.
the Internet was an issue but alotnof that could be fixed easily with a huge bout board. Similar to what is used at Bristol Brawl. Food wasn’t great but had several options to run out and grab something Easily unlike broadbent. I would like to keep having it here. It felt like state unlike High school.
We need Alex Green to handle the music and mic though. He really did a great job at Pikeville.
5 hours ago, JHamBCalumni said:What you said…..and I’ll add my two cents. Don’t come on here and hijack a thread…..especially when this kid is a repeat 8th grader (home schooled but none the less a repeat) and technically shouldn’t have been permitted to wrestle. Also, age wise he turns 16 on August 1st. You can IMO be proud of the hard work but considering you’re wrestling kids you shouldn’t be and kids wayyyyy younger you have nothing to brag about.
What is the rule for ages?
2 hours ago, bestmistake33 said:What is the rule for ages?
Don’t know but the kid from Paducah got kicked out and he’s younger than the george kid.
I’ve seen crying on here and crying on Facebook. Don’t say a kid shouldn’t have been there or this is unfair. The rules clearly say what they say. You may not like it, but it is what it is. I have issues with some of the rules, but it’s not the kids fault. Dad or coach says wrestle, go out and wrestle. If the kid is within the rules, awesome job by kid, Dad and Coach. I don’t have a dog in the fight, but if a rule is a rule, I’ll stand by these kids (KIDS) all day long. You as an adult don’t like the rules, guess what, you have the power to change them. If you can’t change them, then quit crying. You got out voted. Little bad asses are going to continue kicking “lil” Johnny’s ass every year. Suck it up. Go to camp. Nobody pays attention to youth or middle school championships anyways. It’s a trophy for parents.
8 hours ago, JHamBCalumni said:What you said…..and I’ll add my two cents. Don’t come on here and hijack a thread…..especially when this kid is a repeat 8th grader (home schooled but none the less a repeat) and technically shouldn’t have been permitted to wrestle. Also, age wise he turns 16 on August 1st. You can IMO be proud of the hard work but considering you’re wrestling kids you shouldn’t be and kids wayyyyy younger you have nothing to brag about.
Where did he come from? He wrestled at state for Carr Academy last year.
13 minutes ago, Nike Man said:I have issues with some of the rules, but it’s not the kids fault. Dad or coach says wrestle, go out and wrestle. If the kid is within the rules, awesome job by kid, Dad and Coach. I don’t have a dog in the fight, but if a rule is a rule, I’ll stand by these kids (KIDS) all day long.
LOL. In that case just wait 2 years and 5 months and he won't be a kid anymore.
8 minutes ago, gator1 said:LOL. In that case just wait 2 years and 5 months and he won't be a kid anymore.
I will wait. Still not the kid’s fault. Make new rules or bylaws or whatever the middle school follows at this point and I will gladly support the RULES or BY LAWS that are voted on. As of right now, the people that oversee the middle school have alot to look at in the off-season. You see, it’s like following laws. There are things you can legally do and things that you can’t. I hate driving 70mph on the interstate and really wish the speed limit was 80mph. Unfortunately, it’s 70mph and I have to abide by that. I don’t like it, but it is what it is.
2 hours ago, Nike Man said:I hate driving 70mph on the interstate and really wish the speed limit was 80mph. Unfortunately, it’s 70mph and I have to abide by that. I don’t like it, but it is what it is.
Some people still drive 80mph and don’t get caught.
11 hours ago, Lst said:Don’t know but the kid from Paducah got kicked out and he’s younger than the george kid.
What kid from pt got kicked out? Is it the one that wrestled youth?
3 minutes ago, WVhighlander said:What kid from pt got kicked out? Is it the one that wrestled youth?
yeah
3 minutes ago, WVhighlander said:What kid from pt got kicked out? Is it the one that wrestled youth?
What's the point of not being able to wrestle middle school because you are a second-year 8th grader, but you are allowed to wrestle youth, especially as a top 10 high schooler.
41 minutes ago, pin4thewin said:What's the point of not being able to wrestle middle school because you are a second-year 8th grader, but you are allowed to wrestle youth, especially as a top 10 high schooler.
Was wondering what happened there. He had a close match in the finals of youth. Won by 1. Score was 7-6 or something. Crazy thing there is you can take a top 10 high school wrestler and get a really competitive match in youth.
19 minutes ago, WVhighlander said:Was wondering what happened there. He had a close match in the finals of youth. Won by 1. Score was 7-6 or something. Crazy thing there is you can take a top 10 high school wrestler and get a really competitive match in youth.
I wasn't there so I didn't see the match, but I was wondering if he was just messing around or what because he has dominated a lot of guys that placed at middle school state.
13 minutes ago, pin4thewin said:I wasn't there so I didn't see the match, but I was wondering if he was just messing around or what because he has dominated a lot of guys that placed at middle school state.
No it was a good match. Really should have lost. He went pushing in and the JC kid hit him with a hip toss. They hit the mat and he was still loaded on the hip and the ref awarded 2 to Williams then 2 reversal and three backs to JC when he finished the throw. Without that first early 2 points Williams would have lost.
1 hour ago, WVhighlander said:What kid from pt got kicked out? Is it the one that wrestled youth?
How could he wrestle youth? The president told me my son couldn’t wrestle in youth because he turned 14 the last of December 2021 and therefore would be 15 this year. He said no one turning 15 this calendar year could wrestle youth no matter when their birthday fell. He just responded days before the tournament and told me. When I sent back another question, he blocked me on messenger.
16 minutes ago, Rocky1 said:How could he wrestle youth? The president told me my son couldn’t wrestle in youth because he turned 14 the last of December 2021 and therefore would be 15 this year. He said no one turning 15 this calendar year could wrestle youth no matter when their birthday fell. He just responded days before the tournament and told me. When I sent back another question, he blocked me on messenger.
Yeah there was some confusion all year with tournaments. They said we were using USA weights and ages. Well they are different from our middle school weights and ages. The USA wrestling ages for 14u would knock out A lot of 8th graders that aren’t hold backs. A kid born October of 2007 is a true 8th grader. 14u is 2008-2009 birth years.
I personally have never understood the confusion with age participation in middle school.
KHSAA has a maximum age requirement. If you use that rule as a guideline and subtract 4 year (the 4 years they would be in high school) you should get the maximum age for a middle school student. That way they can still get 4 years of high school eligibility.
Now I know that there is a wrinkle because of COVID. KHSAA has allowed for a repeat year this year in response to COVID. This should also trickle down to the middle school.
You don't have to agree with the rule, but you must abide by the rule and respect the rule until it is changed.
I am very old school and we are now living in a world where everyone gets their feelings hurt and I really don't understand it.
But like MaMa always told me "suck it up buttercup and get better", "worry only about yourself and not what someone else is doing". (I don't argue with MaMA)
3 hours ago, WVhighlander said:Was wondering what happened there. He had a close match in the finals of youth. Won by 1. Score was 7-6 or something. Crazy thing there is you can take a top 10 high school wrestler and get a really competitive match in youth.
……I probably wouldn’t generalize that one match for entire youth state tournament vs KHSAA state tournament…but I get what you’re trying to say. The Williams match appears to have been an exception, but I’m very confident that if you stuck all of the KHSAA ranked middle school kids and stuck them into the brackets at youth state, 100% of the ranked kids would convincingly beat the youth wrestler. You may have some wins by decision but I see falls in less than a minute on most.
41 minutes ago, Coach Livingston said:……I probably wouldn’t generalize that one match for entire youth state tournament vs KHSAA state tournament…but I get what you’re trying to say. The Williams match appears to have been an exception, but I’m very confident that if you stuck all of the KHSAA ranked middle school kids and stuck them into the brackets at youth state, 100% of the ranked kids would convincingly beat the youth wrestler. You may have some wins by decision but I see falls in less than a minute on most.
Right that’s not common. That was at 121 in youth. The 113 and 121 brackets in middle school were crazy deep and I would say alot of those kids could compete in high school. I also seen a kid a few years ago that didn’t place at 113 in middle school as a 7th grader and got 6th in youth. Came back and won state at 152 as an 8th grader. I could see your boy winning one of the heavier brackets next year. He’s a very good kid and wrestler.
I was talking to a West Virginia friend this week about how tough our middle school state is.
1 hour ago, grappler-of-old said:I personally have never understood the confusion with age participation in middle school.
KHSAA has a maximum age requirement. If you use that rule as a guideline and subtract 4 year (the 4 years they would be in high school) you should get the maximum age for a middle school student. That way they can still get 4 years of high school eligibility.
Now I know that there is a wrinkle because of COVID. KHSAA has allowed for a repeat year this year in response to COVID. This should also trickle down to the middle school.
You don't have to agree with the rule, but you must abide by the rule and respect the rule until it is changed.
I am very old school and we are now living in a world where everyone gets their feelings hurt and I really don't understand it.
But like MaMa always told me "suck it up buttercup and get better", "worry only about yourself and not what someone else is doing". (I don't argue with MaMA)
Even with the extra year athletes could have gotten because of covid, the rules regarding age stayed the same. So there technically isn't anybody who is competing that would have been "too old" prior to covid.
39 minutes ago, WVhighlander said:Right that’s not common. That was at 121 in youth. The 113 and 121 brackets in middle school were crazy deep and I would say alot of those kids could compete in high school. I also seen a kid a few years ago that didn’t place at 113 in middle school as a 7th grader and got 6th in youth. Came back and won state at 152 as an 8th grader. I could see your boy winning one of the heavier brackets next year. He’s a very good kid and wrestler.
I was talking to a West Virginia friend this week about how tough our middle school state is.
113 and 121 MS were just crazy tough! A lot of those kids did wrestle HS and did well too. I love the competition and when those younger kids….especially the 7th graders just go and put themselves out there to wrestle HS. Win or lose they’ll be better for it later on.
Nice facility my son said, a bit steep on the Gate costs was a comment he had as well. From the OP's & 1/2-1/2-1/2's picture, it looks remarkably like the Horse park setup, but with a slightly smaller stand capacity wise ?
The difference in medals and bracket boards from HS State and Middle School State. Quite a difference to say the least. If it were not for the coaches association there would be no bracket board. I do appreciate what the coaches do but the State should provide Quality bracket boards.
The medals and sashes aren’t Even Close!
On 3/14/2022 at 8:51 PM, Nike Man said:Nobody pays attention to youth or middle school championships anyways. It’s a trophy for parents.
I also do not have a dog in the fight but this is very incorrect. It means quite a bit to the boys and girls who compete.