I think that Fuller will win. After his win over Mastrovich in overtime, Mastrovich also went on to lose to Byrd in overtime. It can go any way, but I think Fuller will pull it off.
285 state champ
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I dont see the use of this poll when u only put three hwt's on there. U've left out very good HWTs who have chances to win state and some of who have beaten these three. I dont c how u can rule out wrestlers like Anthony Bailey, Steve Bodenbender(win over mastrovich), John Wise(win over mastrovich), Josh Young, Payne, and Bebop Smith.-- now i admit i havent seen fuller wrestle so i dont know who he's beaten or lost to, and the HWTs i mentioned are ones i've been able to c wrestle... so sorry to anyone who i didnt mention.-- i still believe that Bryd is favorite to win, but anything can happen at state.
i have beat Bodenbender by pin in the second i feel that mastrovich is way better then him but yes he did beat mastrovich
i have wrestled Fuller Before And i must say he is a Beast!!! Very strong Quick and a very good athlete
how can u rule out espinoza he has been wrestling like a champion hear latley beating wise form desales easily 4-0 with a takedown and a reversal then got stalled out lost to mastervich by one at the wci one a bad move on his part but i think if he shows up to wrestle with the right draw he could be amking a finals apperance
IM NOT GOIN TO SAY IM GOIN TO WIN NOT GOING TO SAY IM NOT . BUT I THINK I HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE IT FAR IN STATE I REALLY DO THINK THAT
I think that This is Byrd's year to win it and i hope so its his senior year and hes put all this time in plus he is quicker than the average hvy. and he has stregth backing him so i see Byrd taking it home this year
I think that Fort Knox is capable of beating anyone. I am not saying that he is unbeatable but he defenatley poses a threat to anyone who steps on the mat with him. Conditioning is the key to how far he goes. I like his chances.
Now right now i think that Byrd and FUller are going to be in the finals but i am going to give the edge to Byrd who i think will step up in the State tourny
how can u rule out espinoza he has been wrestling like a champion hear latley beating wise form desales easily 4-0 with a takedown and a reversal then got stalled out lost to mastervich by one at the wci one a bad move on his part but i think if he shows up to wrestle with the right draw he could be amking a finals apperance
Okay i have know idea who the heck you think you are but John Wise is a serious wrestler who doesnt go down easily. You've got your score wrong for one thing... so get it strait. it was 3-1, and espinoza didnt pull out a single move. John Wise scored the only earned point of the entire match and many more than that, that were not given to him. As for espinoza, he showed poor sportmanship, no skill, and an attitude problem when ever the reffs didnt favor his pleas...
That isnt a good example of "wrestling like a champion". So if you want to back up Chris Espinoza you might wanna try to use other cheap victories of his as better examples than his sloppy win off John Wise.
I dont see the use of this poll when u only put three hwt's on there. U've left out very good HWTs who have chances to win state and some of who have beaten these three. I dont c how u can rule out wrestlers like Anthony Bailey, Steve Bodenbender(win over mastrovich), John Wise(win over mastrovich), Josh Young, Payne, and Bebop Smith.-- now i admit i havent seen fuller wrestle so i dont know who he's beaten or lost to, and the HWTs i mentioned are ones i've been able to c wrestle... so sorry to anyone who i didnt mention.-- i still believe that Bryd is favorite to win, but anything can happen at state.
Sorry about that, I didnt realize I could add more options to the poll, Im new at this.
Right now my vote is going to Bailey.
Sorry people had to reset poll because I added new people so revote.
Anthony Bailey is the ft knox hvyweight
Sorry about that, I didnt realize I could add more options to the poll, Im new at this.
Thats alright, i actually thought about that myself... i didn't mean it as an insult to anyone-- good luck to all at regionals and state
check the books again but the score was 4-0 and wise stood there like a rock but espinoza got his win and how could u say sloppey style he dont go throw any old thing hopping they will land on there back and mark my owrds espinoza will be making a finals apperance threw bailey wise or mastervich
Overtimeking.. Man you really need to work on that grammer. This is peoples opinions on here, thats all, but rest your little soul we will all know who the best 285 is come the 3rd night at the state tournament. From what I have heard If the McCreary Seniors dont pull it together they wont have practiced enough to even make it through two rounds of the state tournament, It would be a horrible waste to blow it all your senior year wouldnt it??
the ? is Who has Bailey Beaten to be considered a contender
check the books again but the score was 4-0 and wise stood there like a rock but espinoza got his win and how could u say sloppey style he dont go throw any old thing hopping they will land on there back and mark my owrds espinoza will be making a finals apperance threw bailey wise or mastervich
look the score up again it was 3-1 and it was not me who stood there like a rock, i actually tried moves but espinoza always ran out of bounds and complained saying that i was pushing him...its on tape so u cant deny it, u obviously did not see the match--one escape point was earned by wise, it was 1-0 wise goin into the third where 2 locked hands were called( one i agree with the other i didnt) and then an outrageous stalling call...at worst the match should of been 1-1 goin into overtime
look the score up again it was 3-1 and it was not me who stood there like a rock, i actually tried moves but espinoza always ran out of bounds and complained saying that i was pushing him...its on tape so u cant deny it, u obviously did not see the match--one escape point was earned by wise, it was 1-0 wise goin into the third where 2 locked hands were called( one i agree with the other i didnt) and then an outrageous stalling call...at worst the match should of been 1-1 goin into overtime
that is exactly how it went. as far as im concerned the only way Espinoza will be making a finals apperance at all is if he can find a ref in his favor. He does nothing to win but beg for a bad call. A champ would suck it up and wrestle it out, not look like a fool... Who has Espinoza beaten that makes him so great anyway? Tell me that?
i thought Hunter Eade from Dunbar looked really good at State Duals. He wrestled pretty good too.
I agree pldwrestler.. eade looked amazing
is hunter eade the same guy that wrestled for them last year??
is hunter eade the same guy that wrestled for them last year??
yes he is 8-)billy 8-)
has he really improved that much?? if its the same guy i pined him in lie 1:23 secs and super duals adn almost tech pinned him last year but thats good he improved
Didn't the kid from Ryle pin Eade?
no hunter eade was the 215 from last year hes wrestlin heavy weight this year and has wrestled pretty soundly
ok espinoza won the match 3 -1 wise couldnt hold him down, espinoza was mad at the refs cuz everytime he stood up wise just grabed the leg and held on. and as far as the locking hands go is everytime espinoza had a switch he locked his hands. they both stalled until the third then espinoza wouldnt quit moving because he had to score. i think wise also got mad over the 2nd locking hands so he also showed bad sportsmenship.
no hunter eade was the 215 from last year hes wrestlin heavy weight this year and has wrestled pretty soundly
I know but didnt he get stuck by Bodenbender at state duals?
I know but didnt he get stuck by Bodenbender at state duals?
Yes Bodenbender pinned him
the ? is Who has Bailey Beaten to be considered a contender
it doesnt matter who he has beaten he is 55-3!
losing to josh young, like 3-2 when he should of won!
you can even ask josh about that match!
and joe embree twice!
you will get to see the beast at state!
well it kinda does matter who hes beaten because if he hasnt beaten anyone good...and lost to young...well thats not much of a argument that he will be there but we will see i guess.
All i Know is Bailey is good! and for you all that havent seen him wrestle and still talk about him you have no clue what you are talking about!
BAiley is a beast! you will get you chance to watch him at stae like i said
u right not alot of people have seen me wrestle , but u will see me in state for sure and thats a fact
it doesnt matter who he has beaten he is 55-3!
losing to josh young, like 3-2 when he should of won!
you can even ask josh about that match!
and joe embree twice!
you will get to see the beast at state!
how can you expect him to be a state champ when he has beaten no one of importance. record dosen't matter it should 0-0 every time you walk on the mat. you have to beat the best tobe the best
how can you expect him to be a state champ when he has beaten no one of importance. record dosen't matter it should 0-0 every time you walk on the mat. you have to beat the best tobe the best
ya know fuller i really hope you can back up all this talking you are doing because right now all i see is all talk no action! You better hope you and bailey dont met up! Because when he beats you will have to humble yourself and realize you aint the best!
i never once said i was the best
Who beats who doesnt matter come state ... u can be the top ranked guy in the state and lose in the first round. You better be on ur toes
I'm not choosing sides but I do have a question for T.J.? I know Bailey is 55-3 & that's an incredible record but of the other heavyweights listed in this poll (you can even throw in Josh Young), who has Bailey beaten & which of them has he beaten?
yoing is good but he shoul dof naver beat me naver ,sum calls did not go the way i wanted but not goin to blame it on them if i would of wresled my match it would of been a diff story
I'm not choosing sides but I do have a question for T.J.? I know Bailey is 55-3 & that's an incredible record but of the other heavyweights listed in this poll (you can even throw in Josh Young), who has Bailey beaten & which of them has he beaten?
you right he hasnt beat anybody on the list!
he hasnt wrestled anyboyd on the list and you cannot fault him for that!
Overtimeking.. Man you really need to work on that grammer. This is peoples opinions on here, thats all, but rest your little soul we will all know who the best 285 is come the 3rd night at the state tournament. From what I have heard If the McCreary Seniors dont pull it together they wont have practiced enough to even make it through two rounds of the state tournament, It would be a horrible waste to blow it all your senior year wouldnt it??
yeah theres must be a senoir curse at mccreary like troxell gettin 8th losing to a freshmen during his senior state tournment. At least i finshed better than him getting 3rd place my junior year.
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yoing(young) shoul(should) dof(of) naver(never) sum(some...this isn't match class) goin(going) wresled(wrestled) diff(different?)....now everyone just put in my corrections for his words and you will be able to find out what he is sayingyoing is good but he shoul dof naver beat me naver ,sum calls did not go the way i wanted but not goin to blame it on them if i would of wresled my match it would of been a diff story
yoing(young) shoul(should) dof(of) naver(never) sum(some...this isn't match class) goin(going) wresled(wrestled) diff(different?)....now everyone just put in my corrections for his words and you will be able to find out what he is saying
Thanks ,maybe you should do this for all of his posts so we can understand them
OK guys I have a love for the big guys. I have not responded because I have not seen that many of the Hwts this year. I will say this however. The Hwts that I have seen need to start wrestling.
What I mean by this is that most of them go out there and push, push, push, push, and do very little. Just because you weigh 250 lbs does not mean you cannot shoot a sweep, a fireman's, or even a duck-under. All I see from many of the Hwts are slide by's and snapdowns. This leads to a match score of 3-2 or pin. Booooring.
Yes this may have worked for the finalists last year, but in the past the Hwt that can actually wrestle is the one that faired well at the state tourney. This is why I think Young may end up in the finals. He may be in a slump but it is because he is trying to perfect his moves. He actually wrestles, I have seen him hit switches, sweeps, ride legs, even hit a gramby or two.
I'm not saying this to rile anyone, I'm actually hoping this will spark the Hwt to start doing what they are capable of doing.
Just my opinion from the crazy man with the silly hat.
ok espinoza won the match 3 -1 wise couldnt hold him down, espinoza was mad at the refs cuz everytime he stood up wise just grabed the leg and held on. and as far as the locking hands go is everytime espinoza had a switch he locked his hands. they both stalled until the third then <b>espinoza wouldnt quit moving because he had to score. i think wise also got mad over the 2nd locking hands so he also showed bad sportsmenship.
Too bad Espinoza never scored...(so much for "wouldnt quit moving"). i would be angry too if the ref called locked hands when THE HAND WERE NOT LOCKED! But Wise didnt make any remarks about it, he just kept wrestling... If you say Espinoza got mad at the ref because Wise was pulling ankle picks he's aloud to do, then that is very bad sportsmanship. Therefore... ESPINOZA WON A MANAGED TO WIN A MATCH WITHOUT SCORING A SINGLE POINT! ALL ATTEMPS TO SCORE BY ESPINOZA FAILED!! HE WAS ANGRY AT THE REFS BECAUSE HE DOESNT KNOW HOW TO WRESTLE LIKE A CHAMP, OR AT ALL FOR THAT MATTER!!!
John Wise lost in vane. End of discussion.
Too bad Espinoza never scored...(so much for "wouldnt quit moving"). i would be angry too if the ref called locked hands when THE HAND WERE NOT LOCKED! But Wise didnt make any remarks about it, he just kept wrestling... If you say Espinoza got mad at the ref because Wise was pulling ankle picks he's aloud to do, then that is very bad sportsmanship. Therefore... ESPINOZA WON A MANAGED TO WIN A MATCH WITHOUT SCORING A SINGLE POINT! ALL ATTEMPS TO SCORE BY ESPINOZA FAILED!! HE WAS ANGRY AT THE REFS BECAUSE HE DOESNT KNOW HOW TO WRESTLE LIKE A CHAMP, OR AT ALL FOR THAT MATTER!!!
John Wise lost in vane. End of discussion.
matt byrd is my pick for this one he is bigger and stronger than ever. he also is the most technically sound heavyweight and he will run through this state tournament like he did before his injury plagued last season except this year he wont have Scherer waiting on him in the finals.
how can you expect him to be a state champ when he has beaten no one of importance. record dosen't matter it should 0-0 every time you walk on the mat. you have to beat the best tobe the best
he beat u.........
matt byrd desevered to win state but wasnt that a pinalty when he ran off the mat and took off his head gear???
I think both wrestlers did great the both worked there butts off for 6:00 min.
This match was very confusing. For some reason the ref had Byrd start down when there were 13 seconds left in the first overtime when they should of started neutral. Also, when Byrd got the escape in the second overtime, why did the timekeepers stop the clock? and why didnt byrd get any type of penalty for running off the mat?
bailey had 2 injury times so byrd got to choose what he wanted(up,down,neutral).and both wrestlers stopped thinking it was over so the refs couldnt do anything about it.This match was very confusing. For some reason the ref had Byrd start down when there were 13 seconds left in the first overtime when they should of started neutral. Also, when Byrd got the escape in the second overtime, why did the timekeepers stop the clock? and why didnt byrd get any type of penalty for running off the mat?
bailey had 2 injury times so byrd got to choose what he wanted(up,down,neutral).and both wrestlers stopped thinking it was over so the refs couldnt do anything about it.
The first overtime is supposed to be sudden death, the first takedown wins. There was still 13 seconds left when they went out of bounds so it still should've been neutral. On the second overtime, even though both wrestlers thought it was over the timekeeper messed up by stopping the clock when it should've kept going
Bryd did a good job of pressuring Bailey into difficult situations, but he soon realized that Bailey was still dangerous. Byrd is a seasoned wrestler and you could clearly see tha Bailey is very raw, but with some technique and conditioning to go along with his physical stature, he will be a force next year. Congrats go out to Byrd.
Bailey showed great ability. Even though he was looked very gassed at the end of the second he still managed to hang in there with the byrd man and even threw him around a little. I think Bailey's strength definately contributed to him making it into the double overtime. That was a great way to end the state tournament. I gave him a congradulatory slap on the back after the match and it was, lets say...less than dry. lol.
The first overtime is supposed to be sudden death, the first takedown wins. There was still 13 seconds left when they went out of bounds so it still should've been neutral. On the second overtime, even though both wrestlers thought it was over the timekeeper messed up by stopping the clock when it should've kept going
eagle
The first 1 minute overtime is neutral that is correct. However if a wrestler has used his second time out (Which Bailey did when he hit his head on the floor) The othre wrestler gets to choice of positon no matter if it is overtime or not.
The time-keeper only does what the official tells them to do. Barnett blew the wistle for the clock to stop and only then did the time keeper stop the clock. It continued the whole time Byrd left the mat and then returned.
Ok, now i understand about the injury thing. I didn't see barnett blow his whistle at the time but your saying he did, so now i undestand what happened
Lets just put it this way. Both last years HWt final and this year were similar. Woodfords hwts worked the opponent around the mat and had the opponents gassing in the 3rd period. Kudos to Byrd who could have won big but wrestled conservative so he didnt do anything stupid!!!!
Lets just put it this way. Both last years HWt final and this year were similar. Woodfords hwts worked the opponent around the mat and had the opponents gassing in the 3rd period. Kudos to Byrd who could have won big but wrestled conservative so he didnt do anything stupid!!!!
There was a lot more action in this years final. Last year the score was 2-1 with both wrestlers getting hit with stalling points and Bryan Hall gave Goodwrich a point for an illegal headlock, otherwise it would've been overtime
neither of the wrestlers got hit for stalling last year. They both got an escape and then Hall gave up a point for an illegal head lock. I was just saying how similar the matches were bc of how woodfords hwts wrestled very similar... Shooting the opponent off the mat and out wrestling their opponents
Byrd has been waiting his turn and he finally got one.... I think that a wrestler is only as good as his partner makes him and it goes to show with with Byrd and Goodrich & The Starks brothers
neither of the wrestlers got hit for stalling last year. They both got an escape and then Hall gave up a point for an illegal head lock. I was just saying how similar the matches were bc of how woodfords hwts wrestled very similar... Shooting the opponent off the mat and out wrestling their opponents
Your right, my bad. I think this years match was ALOT more exciting though
all i can say is that i tyred my hardest. and still failed I'm sorry if i failed my team and coaches . but hopefully next year i will have a norther chance to make it up
nig black out :mrgreen:
Bailey I thought you did a heck of a job. You have progressed tremendously from the first time I saw you wrestle. I hope I helped you in some way by talking to you before the match. I told your coach that I would really like the opportunity to work with you more in the off season on your technique. You know where we are, come to our practice more often.
Coach
ARE YOU A JUNIOR!...BIG GUYall i can say is that i tyred my hardest. and still failed I'm sorry if i failed my team and coaches . but hopefully next year i will have a norther chance to make it up
nig black out :mrgreen:
all i can say is that i tyred my hardest. and still failed I'm sorry if i failed my team and coaches . but hopefully next year i will have a norther chance to make it up
nig black out :mrgreen:
You did a great job!!! But, just so you know, you put "nig" instead of "big". lol.
well thank u alot but still it would have been better if i could of gave my coach a champion , i know he wants 1 so bad i just hope next year i can give him that next year . but yea I'm a joiner
well thank u alot but still it would have been better if i could of gave my coach a champion , i know he wants 1 so bad i just hope next year i can give him that next year . but yea I'm a joiner
bailey as your former teammate i must say going to war with you everyday in practice and cheering you on for 2 years now bro i want o let you kno everybody in hardin county and mostly in the state of Ky is proud of you man!
You have nothin to hang your head about! You wrestle your heart out and Coach Cullen is very proud! Man what im saying is next yer is your year! sure fuller will be back but you beat him and you know what it takes now to get where you needa be! Man juss work hard for the coaches and you will see its going to pay off bro!
last years finals there was definately not as much action. Bryan Hall was not gassed last year either. This years 285 finals was very close and it was a dang good match!