i thought the 145 from fort campbell was really fun to watch. his double legs and blast doubles were SWEET. and dc evans was really fun to watch also.

Even though I disagree how he wrestles sometimes, I enjoy watching Justin Davis from Eastern.

Just a pure and raw athlete and very exciting to watch.

Even though I disagree how he wrestles sometimes, I enjoy watching Justin Davis from Eastern.

Just a pure and raw athlete and very exciting to watch.

Good lord he is so quick and strong. I like that little duck-under he does.

Good lord he is so quick and strong. I like that little duck-under he does.

I think once he gets more technique he will be very hard to beat. He has already proven he has the strength and quickness to be a great wrestler. Placing 4th as a first year wrestler is no too shabby

I think Jordan Lewis took 8th his first year then went on to win it his next year as a sophomore.

i like watching matt zarth, his technique is almost flawless, his pressure is always in the exact right place it needs to be. and ben warner was fun to watch also, expecially when he threw in that high half combo.

My fravorit was DEF! Justin Davis. He's a monster. I don't see how someone could not like how he wrestles... its his first year and he is working with everything he's got (which is alot) and his deffensive skills are amazing.

My fravorit was DEF! Justin Davis. He's a monster. I don't see how someone could not like how he wrestles... its his first year and he is working with everything he's got (which is alot) and his deffensive skills are amazing.

I think Jordan Lewis took 8th his first year then went on to win it his next year as a sophomore.

Jordan Lewis went 2 and out his freshman year.

I am telling you guys, watch for davis in the future.  He started halfway through the season and placed fourth.  Thats rediculous, and your right technique did  get him but he has as good technique as any one with equivelent experience.  Im just sayin --that boy good--- :mrgreen:

I really enjoyed watching Tyler Voth this year.  He always seemed to be in the match and most important he always seemed to be having FUN!!  Kids too often forget to have fun out there.

I like to watch the Ft Knox heavy weight, and matt byrd. i love it when the big guys actually shoot and not just stand there and weight for the other guy to fall down

dc evans, he is great on his feet with a blast double

evans & zarth

i also liked watching martin from seneca - he appeared so small to me & i saw him overpowering these boys that just seemed huge (for some reason) compared to him. he impressed me with his technique as well.

i like the lower weight classes... *shrugs*

I like to watch the Ft Knox heavy weight, and matt byrd. i love it when the big guys actually shoot and not just stand there and weight for the other guy to fall down

well said.

myron did pretty dang good considering he is a freshman, yea he lost but he didnt get the sh** beat out of him by no means!!!

i enjoy watching 285 bailey wrestle he make it interesting he just doesnt stand there like most HWTs.

I would defintately have to say FROG ROSS from Montgomery County he had a real slick kelly role and his mom and that other girl screaming FROG ROS FROG the entire match made it all the better. That kid is frogin

Yea. lol. Ross cracks me up. He was walkin' around with a girl who I assumed was his girlfriend. She looked like an amazon in comparison to him. haha. He's a nice guy though. I definately see where they get "frog" from.

We were laughing so hard, I had to see when his matches were so we made sure we were there,, that was the only kid we watched for pure pleasure of watching, without the wrestling factor, ,, His Mom and the girl, we really liked the way they stomped their feet

FROG = Fully Rely On God

I think Jordan Lewis took 8th his first year then went on to win it his next year as a sophomore.

i thought jordan wrestled before high school

I know this is not original but I really enjoy watching Wolseifer.  His speed and power are unbelievable.  I think most of us, at least in the Louisville area, take his ability for granted b/c we're so used to seeing it. 

Daniel Thuenerman was one of my favorite wrestlers to watch.  He was always on the offensive. 

He was always trying to find a way to score.  Just look what he did to Courtney in the last period.

Daniel Thuenerman was one of my favorite wrestlers to watch.  He was always on the offensive. 

He was always trying to find a way to score.  Just look what he did to Courtney in the last period.

i am with Grappler all the way on that. Thueneman is also one of my fravorits to watch. Not just because he's my weight class either. He is very offensive, and i like the many different variations of ways he finds to score his points.

I also enjoyed Myron Bradbury. He did some funky stance/dance in his match with Elliot Martin, that i have seen him do for the 3rd time. I dont know the purpose of it because i havent seen it work for anything, but i think its cool. lol

Justin Davis is the funnest person to watch! When he threw that kid into the curtain at state i almost died laughing I also liked when he wrestled malcolm earlier this year and started pumping his arms up during the match it was great lol

I also likw to watch Deon Chaney in his closer matches with people like dockery and green its always so close and he pulls out a huge throw and the crowd goes wild

Daniel Thuenerman was one of my favorite wrestlers to watch.  He was always on the offensive. 

He was always trying to find a way to score.  Just look what he did to Courtney in the last period.

yeah, i love atching his quick ankle picks and high crotchs.

Definitely, Definitely,Definitely,Definitely,Definitely, Woelsifer for sure!

I'm glad to finally see some people make some positive remarks about Justin Davis; those of us from Eastern love him even though he's only winning by getting takedowns and lettin' em up. We're looking forward to him gaining experience.

I never get tired of watching John Wolfieser from Fern Creek. Though others see power and quickness from him I see planned and calculated moves with the end in mind. I guess he is all of the above!

Justin Davis' matches are always exciting, I agree. And when you consider he's a first-year wrestler -- watch out! 

I also liked watching Bailey, the heavyweight from Ft. Knox. The heavyweight matches are often boring -- kind of like sumo wrestling, but Bailey is really quick and light on his feet, as well as strong.

One other who comes to mind is Chaney from Fern Creek. Although he lost in the finals, he was a powerful wrestler all season.

Daniel Thueman is my favorite to watch because of his style of wrestling and gives you very exciting matches. Also I think that he is a better wrestler than Courtney no matter what the score was. I will always think that. I'd like to see a rematch though maybe bluegrass games at 152?

I like to watch Byrd for his jap throws. Also Jones for his big lateral drops.

its always fun watching john goldsby wrestle from holmes everybody likes the guy

yeah i like watching john golsby wrestle. he's so fast.

i saw him tech-pin someone at the North Hardin tournament with seconds to spare.

I've seen Golsby tech pin 2 people in the 1st period on takedowns only.

This guy is stupid fast.

Daniel Thueman is my favorite to watch because of his style of wrestling and gives you very exciting matches. Also I think that he is a better wrestler than Courtney no matter what the score was. I will always think that. I'd like to see a rematch though maybe bluegrass games at 152?

I don't understand that comment, unless you are Thueneman's mother or girlfriend.  No matter what the score was?  All I can say is Courtney beat him both times they wrestled this season (I don't want to hear about and bad calls either).  And Courtney has a few state championships on the mantle.  Nuff said.  I agree that Thueneman's style of wrestling is very exciting and he is very good.  I wish we could get a lot more kids to be that aggressive on their feet.  But to say that he is better just doesn't make sense.

I don't understand that comment, unless you are Thueneman's mother or girlfriend.  No matter what the score was?  All I can say is Courtney beat him both times they wrestled this season (I don't want to hear about and bad calls either).  And Courtney has a few state championships on the mantle.  Nuff said.  I agree that Thueneman's style of wrestling is very exciting and he is very good.  I wish we could get a lot more kids to be that aggressive on their feet.  But to say that he is better just doesn't make sense.

Now Ranger this statement can make sense.  There are always wrestlers out there that lose to another wrestler for whatever reason and they are not as good as that person.  I've seen this numerous times in the time I have been watching sports.  I'm not saying I agree with this, I'm not saying I don't either, but it is possible. The best team or person does not always win.

The best team or person does not always win.

This is true if they've only met once, but several wins means Courtney's better. My opinion, of course.

Dakota Choate was always a good match to watch. I liked to watch Ty Wolfe wrestle.

Now Ranger this statement can make sense.  There are always wrestlers out there that lose to another wrestler for whatever reason and they are not as good as that person.  I've seen this numerous times in the time I have been watching sports.  I'm not saying I agree with this, I'm not saying I don't either, but it is possible. The best team or person does not always win.

Yes, it makes some sense if you have an upset or two guys with equal credentials coming in.  But comparing a potential 4 time state champ and someone who has come up short a few times and the champ wins the head-to-head matchup a couple times then the comment makes no sense.

Each of the head to head match ups were close.

Lets say that Thuenerman is the better wrestler but Courtney knows how to win.

Thuenerman just had a block against Courntey.  Usually we can say Thuenerman will beat the ones Courtney losses to but we don't have any of thoes in KY.  There out there just not in KY.

Each of the head to head match ups were close.

Lets say that Thuenerman is the better wrestler but Courtney knows how to win.

Thuenerman just had a block against Courntey.  Usually we can say Thuenerman will beat the ones Courtney losses to but we don't have any of thoes in KY.  There out there just not in KY.

I think Thueneman also had a block against Peace as well this season.  At some point I think we just have to give the other guy his due.  Yes, over the years they have split some matches, all of them pretty close I believe.  But you have to remember that Courtney is 2 years younger.  So I say all else being equal (and they are not because Courtney has the rings to prove it) that makes the difference.

if you ask me i think grappler is right. maybe not in this particular case but in most cases. the better wrestler can lose if he gets caught in something or their styles clash. if the better guy is really good at takedowns and someone else is really good at defending shots, and he happens to getcaught in a headlock and cement jobed to his back or something that doesnt prove anything except stregth. i like thuenamen better than courtney, but in this case it seems courtney has somewhat proved he is the better wrestler. i am not fully convinced that courtney would beat him everytime they wrestle. but hes beat him when it matters.

Truth is. I'm not sure if Thuenerman has a mental block against Courtney.  I think his mental block is winning the big matches.  He had his chance three years in a row and blew it each time. 

Courtney is a gammer and is able to do what it takes to win.  If this means he is better then he is.  No one cares how or why they won they just know he won. 

My hat is off to Courtney and he looks to be one of our next 4 timers.

Thuneman  went 0-3 against courtney this season how cna you even say that he is the better wrestler

courtney is the best flat out..he has placed since 7th grade. nobody can touch him and courtney has the mental block on anyone..he will dominate no matter what

nobody can touch him and courtney has the mental block on anyone..he will dominate no matter what

What about the beast that beat him from Brookvile at the Hammer and Anvil?  He didn't seem to have a mental block and he placed 2nd losing 7-3 in the finals.

Courtney placed 3rd at this toureny.

As I stated I tip my hat to him he won the matches he needed to.

Grappler perhaps you should go back and check your facts.Courtney placed second in the tournament you are speaking of and DID NOT LOSE to a kid from Brookville, I was there got the tape watched it several times.

Unless you are talking about a year or 2 ago,but then again you cant really compare him now to then there is a big difference. But if youre talking about the Hammer and Anvil this year, Courtney beat Josie Neff  who Thuenemann also beat. Courtney beat him in the semi finals this year something like 9-1.

Grappler perhaps you should go back and check your facts.Courtney placed second in the tournament you are speaking of and DID NOT LOSE to a kid from Brookville, I was there got the tape watched it several times.

OOPPS looked up the wrong tourney.  He lost to Brownlee from Western Brown in the finals.

The point I was making is that he is not unstoppable as eaglewrestler215 stated (no one is).  There is always someone out there who can beat you. 

OOPPS looked up the wrong tourney.  He lost to Brownlee from Western Brown in the finals.

The point I was making is that he is not unstoppable as eaglewrestler215 stated (no one is).  There is always someone out there who can beat you. 

I think everyone can agree with that.  There is always some bad dude out there somewhere as Murton, Ruschell, Courtney, and even Cael Sanderson have all found out.

But Courtney is fun to watch. The score can be close and before you know it BAM hes up by 10

Thuneman would smoke,,, if he had that (mythical) fourth period going for him. He just figures it out too late, and he can go that long, once he decides how to beat Courtney, it's over. Courtney is better for that, he figures it out all the way DURING the match.

Thuneman would smoke,,, if he had that (mythical) fourth period going for him. He just figures it out too late, and he can go that long, once he decides how to beat Courtney, it's over. Courtney is better for that, he figures it out all the way DURING the match.

Well said. This is how i see things between Thueneman and Courtney. Courtney is always mentaly prepared. The both of them are absolutly AMAZING wrestlers. Thueneman seems to have that mental block like referred to earlier, and he takes awhile to get used to his match when under a lot of pressure. On the other hand, Courtney is mentaly dominating and is calm, cool, and collected all the way through his matches. From begining to end Courtney has his mojo working for him and his pace is steady. His mind is perfect and he doesnt seem to have any of those days where he can say "Dang! I wrestle like sh**!...still won tho..." Thueneman has alot of those days... his mind is shaky in the beginning of matches that presure him but after getting a feel for his oppenent he finds, and i mean unlocks the Thueneman power!, to beat who ever it is that very well can take it too him. I think when wrestling someone as good as Courtney, Thueneman takes alot longer to find a way to win, and by the time he does, its too late. When you see someone make comebacks like Thueneman did in his match with Courtney at State, (comebacks that leave your opponent helpless), you can not dought that he who makes his score rise is the better SKILLED wrestler. Its like "He had it in him all along", but the sleeping giant wasn't awakend with time in his favor.

Bottem line.

Courtney is good. Thueneman is better. Courtney knows how to prevail from start to finish. Thueneman learns how to prevail by the end of the second. He is smart, but Courtney is a genious. Courtney CAN whip your butt in 6 min, but Thueneman WILL whip your butt if given more.

Courtney knew this going into the match. Thueneman never figured this out. Courthey did something about it. Thueneman took a mindless risk. Its Brains Vs. Brawn in this match up. That allmost always has the same outcome.

i agree

I still disagree with you on Thuneman being the better wrestler Courtney wrestled him 3 times this year and always beat him if he takes time to get the "Feel" of his opponenet as you guys say he does you would think he would have by state time but apparently not Courtney is the better wrestler I personally think he has proven that

We were laughing so hard, I had to see when his matches were so we made sure we were there,, that was the only kid we watched for pure pleasure of watching, without the wrestling factor, ,, His Mom and the girl, we really liked the way they stomped their feet

MOM LOVES TOO WATCH THE FROG IN MOTION STOMPING IS JUST PURE PLEASURE HE IS A GREAT KID!!!!

I still disagree with you on Thuneman being the better wrestler Courtney wrestled him 3 times this year and always beat him if he takes time to get the "Feel" of his opponenet as you guys say he does you would think he would have by state time but apparently not Courtney is the better wrestler I personally think he has proven that

When i said it takes Thueneman time to "feel" out his opponents... i ment during the match, not over a long period of time. A mental block would disturb anything you would have planned on being ready for before the match starts...

So it is more like starting over each time you wrestle for Thueneman. During every match they have had and every match i have witness of the both of them, THUENEMAN still displays more technique, athleticism, strength, speed and over all skills. He is outstanding and still manages to be charismatic during his matches... even when he loses to Courtney, he looks the part of a better wrestler. He wrestles like the better wrestler. He is sound in every aspect of the game. Courtney wins whatever way he can whenever he feels like it the most. When i ask myself "who is the better wrestler?" i tend to look at more than just who has beaten who more. We know that both wrestlers are capable of beating eachother... Thueneman just hasn't proved it yet by doing so this year. But it is immature to look only at 3 matches that two wrestlers have had together that are always CRAZY CLOSE and say that the winner is without a dought the better wrestler.

If you wanted to look at things that way, then do your homework. Just only going by matches that they have wrestled eachother you could not deny in any way that DANIEL THUENEMAN is better. He is overall, 5 for 8 over Harrison Courtney. Courtney has just won the most resent 3 of thier matches together...

5 in a row! - Thueneman; 3 in a row - Courtney..... if only going by each wrestlers win and loses against one-another...

there is no dought that Theuneman is better, but just going by those cheap statisitcs that anyone wouldnt even have to pay any attention to so that they may understand and then picking between the two is immature. You must learn to look at the bigger picture.

Ok you guys are just riding the Thuneman bandwagon  Courtney is hands down the better wrestle, and he is mentally sound unlike your hero..I think he proved that at state when the match went into over time and courtney Threw ....yes i said Threw Thuenamen to his back and pinned him ....Courtney is the better wrestler accept the facts

Correction Courtney is 4-3 over Thuenemann Over the past few yrs. 1-2 his 7th grade yr  0-1 8th grade year  3-0 10th grade year.  Both are great wrestlers but Courtney has developed into the better wrestler you said it yourself Courtney wins anyway he can so that tells me something.

Courtney is a two time state champion and could possibly be Kentucky's next 4 timer. Thueneman has no state championships to his name, and in his most recent battles with Courtney (against a mature, HIGH SCHOOL age Courtney) owns no victories.  Sure, he beat Courtney in 7th and 8th grade. So what? Are we going to argue that Kellen Ashworth (ryle) and Zach Peters (trinity) are better too since they beat him in 7th grade at the state tournament? Does that mean that Joey Sanders is better since he beat him in the semi finals his 8th grade year?

Thueneman, as some have mentioned, has "more technique, athleticism, strength, speed and over all skills".  That pretty much covers a great wrestler right there, right?  Is there some unknown attribute that Courtney posesses the enables him to prevail over Thueneman?  Perhaps he is a Jedi and uses "the Force" , who knows?  In reality, it seems obvious that when you beat someone 3 consectutive times then maybe, just maybe, you are a little bit better as some part of the game. 

In the end Courtney gets it done when he needs to, and thats all I need to know in order to make my decision on who  the better wrestler is...

I keep having to read the same stuff over and over from different people.

Need i not repeat myself....

and get your facts straight there pal! Thueneman is 5-3 over Courtney. you are wrong.

He step up to 130 and beat him at the Dragon and state dual in the same year. then that year he put him into the consellations at state.

he previosly beat him Courtney 7th grade year 2ice. thanx...

I keep having to read the same stuff over and over from different people.

Need i not repeat myself....

and get your facts straight there pal! Thueneman is 5-3 over Courtney. you are wrong.

He step up to 130 and beat him at the Dragon and state dual in the same year. then that year he put him into the consellations at state.

he previosly beat him Courtney 7th grade year 2ice. thanx...

Has he beaten him while Courtney was in high school?

No youre wrong i have the stats to back me up they never wrestled at state duals he wrestled parks at the state duals and parks beat him there so maybe you need to do the checking because courtney is 4-3 against Thuenemann plus he has never beat Courtney when Courtney was in high school

Another correction to you there, pal, they only wrestled once prior to this year at state and that was one of the 2 that courtney lost his 7th grade year.

I just feel that beating Courtney while he was a middle schooler holds little credibility in this arguement.  He was a 7th grader!!!  Still very young, not nearly as physically matured as a high schooler.  The high school Courtney is better than the highschool Thueneman.

Titan140,

Just a few questions.  How many state championships has Theuneman won?  How many has Courtney won?

Also Courtney beat Banks last year twice, once in the finals.  Who would win between Banks and Theuneman?  Remember to answer that question honestly :wink:.

I keep having to read the same stuff over and over from different people.

Need i not repeat myself....

and get your facts straight there pal! Thueneman is 5-3 over Courtney. you are wrong.

He step up to 130 and beat him at the Dragon and state dual in the same year. then that year he put him into the consellations at state.

he previosly beat him Courtney 7th grade year 2ice. thanx...

i know this has been said many times on here in many different ways, but to think thunneman is a better wrestler is one thing, that's fine.  but to try to convince other people that even though courtney beat him 3 times this year....daniel is still a better wrestler, well that's just crazy.  no one's going to buy that.  daniel had his whole senior year on the line and lost down state.  he was 0-3 against courtney.  that is all the proof/analysis you need.  there was nothing controversial about the match down state or the match at the conner invite.  maybe there was wherever else they wrestled, but so what.  what do you want?  best 2 out of 3...no, best 3 out 5, no...best 4 out of 7???

i like to watch me ,bryd ,mark jones,alot of people  :mrgreen:

big black out

    You are correct.  I can't convince anyone who is better, nor will anyone convince me that Courtney is better. 

    But I am also the one who believed that Carr Jr. was not as good his senior year as he was his Sophomore year.  I also did not believe that Knable was not as great as the pomp.

    As I've said before.  The best player or team does not always win. 

I have to say that watching Byrd's throws is probably the most entertaining thing to see. You don't often see big men fly through the air like that.

As far as the Courtney-Thueneman debate you can say that the best team does not always win and I agree with that, but that can only be said when you've only lost once in a blue moon. Not when you've gone 0-3 and the other guy has two state championships.

Let's just put it this way, they are both excellent wrestlers and when they get together everyone wants to stop and watch to see who will come out on top.

     You are correct.  I can't convince anyone who is better, nor will anyone convince me that Courtney is better. 

     But I am also the one who believed that Carr Jr. was not as good his senior year as he was his Sophomore year.  I also did not believe that Knable was not as great as the pomp.

     As I've said before.  The best player or team does not always win. 

That may go for a one time thing, but 3 times in a row goes too show who is a better wrestler. I cant believe this is even an arguement.

I'm not sure who the better wrestler is. Nor do I really care.

But it brings to mind a trio in the 1990's. 

Phil Hagen from Campbell Co. was probably the best wrestler at 171 that year.

He had a mental block with Micheal Benson (Woodford Co.) that year lost to him 3 times by 2 points

Phil Hagen defeated Thomas Sanders (Fairdale) handedly twice.  major and Tech pin.

Benson Could not defeat Sanders and lost 3 times to him.

Benson and Hegan met in the semi's Benson won by 2 for the 3rd time. Benson met Sanders in the finals and was defeated again by Sanders. 

Who is the best wrestler in this wt. class. 

Mental blocks can cost you.

I personally believe that Courtney should get the nod, not because he defeated Thuenerman the last 3 times, but because he got the job done.  Regardless, I would take either one of them on my team, and roll the dice against the other one.

I'm not sure who the better wrestler is. Nor do I really care.

But it brings to mind a trio in the 1990's. 

Phil Hagen from Campbell Co. was probably the best wrestler at 171 that year.

He had a mental block with Micheal Benson (Woodford Co.) that year lost to him 3 times by 2 points

Phil Hagen defeated Thomas Sanders (Fairdale) handedly twice.  major and Tech pin.

Benson Could not defeat Sanders and lost 3 times to him.

Benson and Hegan met in the semi's Benson won by 2 for the 3rd time. Benson met Sanders in the finals and was defeated again by Sanders. 

Who is the best wrestler in this wt. class. 

Mental blocks can cost you.

I personally believe that Courtney should get the nod, not because he defeated Thuenerman the last 3 times, but because he got the job done.  Regardless, I would take either one of them on my team, and roll the dice against the other one.

well said.

I can't believe this is even a discussion.  Courtney is and will be a better wrestler.  3-0 in one year, nuff said.  Mental block, whatever.  I don't care what the excuse is....if you lose three times?  Come on. 

Courtney is a 2x state champ working on 4x.  How many has Thueneman won?  He's a great wrestler don't get me wrong, but Courtney will go down as one of the state's all time best. 

I put him the Banks category.  Great wrestlers.  Should be state champs, but Courtney is special.  Most 4x state champs are.

People can say they don't believe the hype about some of these special wrestlers, but the fact is nobody can seem to step up and beat them.

How was Carr Jr. better as a sophomore than a senior?  Didn't he place second not only at senior nationals and junior nationals (freestyle) his senior year?  I do believe that Knable was not as good as most thought.

well said.

i second that.

This ends it for me. I need not to convince anyone who is better than who. The better of the two of them is the better wrestler. Whichever one he is, really should matter. I say they are both good enough to write autobiographies.

Becoming the Champion : By Harrison Courtney; On the Rise to short-comings : By Daniel Thueneman. lol

I can't believe this is even a discussion.  Courtney is and will be a better wrestler.  3-0 in one year, nuff said.  Mental block, whatever.  I don't care what the excuse is....if you lose three times?  Come on. 

Courtney is a 2x state champ working on 4x.  How many has Thueneman won?  He's a great wrestler don't get me wrong, but Courtney will go down as one of the state's all time best. 

I put him the Banks category.  Great wrestlers.  Should be state champs, but Courtney is special.  Most 4x state champs are.

People can say they don't believe the hype about some of these special wrestlers, but the fact is nobody can seem to step up and beat them.

While I think Courtney is a great wrestler, let's not get ahead of ourselves. He still has to actually wrestle and win the next two years before he becomes the next 4x state champ. Which I hope he is able to do.