ok so i just found out Jacob Murton is gunna go 141 next year for campbellsville. What if Jacob Murton and Kyle Ruschell ahd to wrestle each other at a tournament. Who would win?

Kyle Ruschell would tech-fall him or pin. Murton is good but not that good.

what happened to Flake? Unless Flake goes up to 149 Murton will not start in the line-up

Kyle Ruschell would tech-fall him or pin. Murton is good but not that good.

I'd go with Murton.

Kyle Ruschell would tech-fall him or pin. Murton is good but not that good.

wouldnt touch ruschell i agree

what happened to Flake? Unless Flake goes up to 149 Murton will not start in the line-up

I would guess that Flake is going 149, but you also have to remember that in NAIA you can take 12 people to compete at nationals.  Flake may weigh in at 141 and bump to 149 for duals, but wrestle 141 at nationals and other tournaments.  I don't know about Murton vs. Ruschell, but I'd like to see Flake vs. Ruschell.

I think the way Kyle stepped it up this past season speaks for itself.  I go with Ruschell.  And I too would like to see Ruschell and Flake.

I bet these two would split about 5-5 out of 10, take in mind that Murton majored the eventual National Champ at 135lbs at the Beast. He could of easily went D1 and started

Really it all depends on how they match up against one another, but ruschell is proven against D1 opponents and Murton took third in a mediokre (not sure of spelling) weight class at best in NAIA. I am not downing NAIA because there are obviously wrestlers in this division that can wrestle with anyone. What I am saying is it all depends on the line-up and for now Ruschell wins on expereince alone. I agree with the Flake vs Ruschell match or Cooper vs Ruschell.

Newsflash!!! Jacob Murton is better than Flake. If you have seen them wrestle each other at camps you would know that. Remember Flake has been out of high school for about 4 years. Jacob was a true freshman last year. He will be unstoppable at whatever weight he goes this year and can compete with wrestlers from any division. If jacob is going 141 look for flake to go 149 and cambellsville to be very good. As far as Jacob or Flake vs. Rushell. those would all be good matches and I don't think there would be any tech falling by anyone. All very very good wrestlers that could beat each other depending on the day.

I bet these two would split about 5-5 out of 10, take in mind that Murton majored the eventual National Champ at 135lbs at the Beast. He could of easily went D1 and started

Yea, i agree Murton is tough, but comparing what they did at h.s. tournaments isn't that relevant.  What Kyle has done in college by far overshadows what he did in h.s.  And Kyle had an outstanding h.s. career as well.  I have no doubt in my mind Kyle will be a D1 AA, probably multiple...and maybe a national champ.  You can just see how much he still loves wrestling and still works hard.  As far as a prediction of what he would do against Jacob Murton, I think it wouldn't be a tech fall or pin...it might even be fairly close.  But out of 10 matches, i would go with Kyle 10 out of 10.  I don't think Murton would ever beat him, but he may have some close ones.  Flake would be even closer.  But again, i'd say out of 10 matches, Kyle wins 8 or 9 of those.  But what the heck...they're all college wrestlers from Ky (or near by) someone get them together at an open mat and let's see.  We could probably charge admission!!

Newsflash!!! Jacob Murton is better than Flake. If you have seen them wrestle each other at camps you would know that. Remember Flake has been out of high school for about 4 years. Jacob was a true freshman last year. He will be unstoppable at whatever weight he goes this year and can compete with wrestlers from any division. If jacob is going 141 look for flake to go 149 and cambellsville to be very good. As far as Jacob or Flake vs. Rushell. those would all be good matches and I don't think there would be any tech falling by anyone. All very very good wrestlers that could beat each other depending on the day.

wow, i seen them at camps, and i never got the impression Murton is better than Flake.  I never honestly seen them wrestle live head to head, but watching them against common opponents, Flake seemed better.  Have you actually seen Murton and Flake wrestle live?  That would be surprising to me that Murton is better than Flake.  No disrespect intended to Murton, but Flake is an animal!!

Here is what I have seen. Flake beat Cooper 3 out of five times and Cooper would have tech falled anybody in the 133 pound weight class hince the number four ranked kid at 133lbs in the nation bumping up at nationals and Cooper Teched him in the second round of the tournament. I think on top Murton is tough but on their feet Flake would destroy Murton. I know you have your pride because Murton is from KY and probably beat you sometime in his career but he is no Flake or Ruschell or Burk Barnes who easily put him away in the semis at nationals, or Miller who stuck Barnes in the finals. I would not pay to see the matches but if they are going to happen I would waste some gas money to come and watch. Campbelsville and Cumberlands camp are both coming up I am sure we could get them to one of these places. How about guys?

Here is what I have seen. Flake beat Cooper 3 out of five times and Cooper would have tech falled anybody in the 133 pound weight class hince the number four ranked kid at 133lbs in the nation bumping up at nationals and Cooper Teched him in the second round of the tournament. I think on top Murton is tough but on their feet Flake would destroy Murton. I know you have your pride because Murton is from KY and probably beat you sometime in his career but he is no Flake or Ruschell or Burk Barnes who easily put him away in the semis at nationals, or Miller who stuck Barnes in the finals. I would not pay to see the matches but if they are going to happen I would waste some gas money to come and watch. Campbelsville and Cumberlands camp are both coming up I am sure we could get them to one of these places. How about guys?

don't let the name fool you, i have no pride.  :-D

that's what i figured too, flake would be better on his feet than murton.  i also believe brad cooper teched jacob murton.  might have been a bad day for murton and murton has no doubt improved a lot since then.  but i just can't believe murton could beat flake.  and i can't believe either of them could beat Kyle.  maybe like 1 out of 10 times.  but not consistently.  i got his big 10 matches on dvr, it's hard to believe a wrestler that good came from Kentucky.

Cooper teched Jairus.

WOW, you guys are a long ways off when talking about Jacob. I've seen Jac and Flake wrestle many times and they are pretty close. Jac is no slouch on his feet I think the because he is so good on top people under estimate his ability to take people down (includung Flake). FYI burke barnes beat jacob on a questionalabilty DEFENSIVE pin call. What ever weight he goes next year he will win it.

From an insiders prospective he deserves more respect than he is getting on this board

Bout time someone other than myself and a slim amt of others give Jake some credit, he deserves it just too. Just as Kyle deserves it

This is how it goes no matter how close the matches are.

1. Ruschell

2. Flake

3. Cooper

4. Murton

There's no doubt about it... all of them are phenom's. And I respect all of them. Incase some of you didnt know this..

Kyle beat Alex Tsirtsis who is a 4 time undefeated state champ from Indiana. And he lost, but gave up a good fight to Lang

in the Big Ten finals, and Lang is a 4 time Ohio state champ. Theres no doubt who would win between Ruschell and any of

them, Ruschell is on a different level. It shouldnt even be a discussion. But Flake, Cooper, and Murton is a different story.

Those 3 are all pretty close. But I would still say Cooper would beat Murton by atleast a major, and Flake would beat Cooper

and Murton.

This is how it goes no matter how close the matches are.

1. Ruschell

2. Flake

3. Cooper

4. Murton

There's no doubt about it... all of them are phenom's. And I respect all of them. Incase some of you didnt know this..

Kyle beat Alex Tsirtsis who is a 4 time undefeated state champ from Indiana, and he lost, but gave up a good fight to Lang

in the Big Ten finals, and Lang is a 4 time Ohio state champ. Theres no doubt who would win between Ruschell and any of

them, Ruschell is on a different level. It shouldnt even be a discussion. But Flake, Cooper, and Murton is a different story.

I totally agree with this statment but just for some other peoples info Zach Flake took second at the high school senior nationals, was a national champ in JUCCO and now is a national champ in NAIA losing only twice to Cooper both times. 

Those 3 are all pretty close. But I would still say Cooper would beat Murton by atleast a major.

A match between Murton and Ruschell would be very close.  I also think Cooper would also give them a tough match.

There is a way for this discussion to be settled.  I know that some of you out there must know all three (Murton, Ruschell, and Cooper).  The State Games are on July 28.  Convince them to wrestle in the games.  These matches can be featured to draw more people which may help the sport in Kentucky.  If I knew any of them I would be asking them but I don't.

Lol wow that would be amazing. That would be the toughest bracket kentucky has ever seen.

There's no doubt about it... all of them are phenom's. And I respect all of them. Incase some of you didnt know this..

Kyle beat Alex Tsirtsis who is a 4 time undefeated state champ from Indiana. And he lost, but gave up a good fight to Lang

in the Big Ten finals, and Lang is a 4 time Ohio state champ.

and Murton.

Lowsingle,

Another tie-in among these guys. Did you know Lang(Sr.) beat Flake(Jr.) in the Ohio state finals.

UWIS and Campbellsville are both going to the las Vegas invite this upcoming season, maybe they will wrestle their.

Dang, its a small world.

Lowsingle,

Another tie-in among these guys. Did you know Lang(Sr.) beat Flake(Jr.) in the Ohio state finals.

These are fun debates!

Ruschell is amazing, especially that he has been as successful at 141 after competing no higher than 112 his high school career. Just think how difficult that is for anyone to bump up that many weight classes and go from KY HS wrestling to the Big Ten and not just varsity but competitive nationally. I think that says alot for Kyles enthusiasm and intelligence, hes smart and still has a passion for the sport. Dont forget Kyle also benefits from wrestling with Craig Henning, NCAA runner-up in practice, if you watch each of them you can see similarities in their styles, both very slick.

Rucshell's success among D1 has  been a great achievement, Flake has two collegiate national championships, Cooper is 2X NAIA runnerup, Jacob had as good a high school career as all of them and now is knocking on the door in NAIA as a freshman. All are very accomplished, and except Cooper who was a SR last year are back next year. 

I don't think you can base who's the best on who beat who among similar opponents, especially from high school. They have all improved to much since then for that to be legit.  I think it comes down to varying styles, strength and experience. Kyle had a red shirt year to get ready and took advantage of it to great success, Flake has proven his skills at every level so far, hard to rule him out, Murton has a great freshman season and I think fought through some injuries, if healthy next year I think he could win it along with Flake. Cooper was a senior last year, has had a great career I haven't seen him wrestle much but would like to see him in a 4 man bracket with the other three.

I think all four are benefitting from being in very competitive programs and could all do well at any level of competition. Who would win if they wrestled?

My picks: #1 seed to Ruschell, #2 seed to Flake, #3 seed to Cooper and #4 seed to Murton, with any of the 4 ending up the winner, to close to call!

Someone let me know when tickets go on sale!

Lowsingle,

Another tie-in among these guys. Did you know Lang(Sr.) beat Flake(Jr.) in the Ohio state finals.

Lang and Flake also met in the Senior nationals finals in 03 and Lang won again, but yes I agree with evil dad about how you cant compare their high school careers and opponents. I think it all depends on how they match up.  If you are not slick on your feet and if you gas any at all Flake will get you, he usually ends a match faster then he starts it. Cooper and Murton both are great on top  so the others better be good off the bottom. Have not seen much of Ruschell wrestling but I do know that in D1 if you slow down for just a second you are done so the other three guys better be very disciplined and in shape.

These are fun debates!

Ruschell is amazing, especially that he has been as successful at 141 after competing no higher than 112 his high school career.

kyle did wrestle higher than 112, he won state at 119

kyle did wrestle higher than 112, he won state at 119

You are correct.  Although I don't think he ever weighed near 119 in hs.

i think he wrestled 119 to possibly get pushed a little more, even though he did wrestle 112 some that year too.  he could have easily made 112 whenever he wanted

I stand corrected, still a major jump in weight!

i think he wrestled 119 to possibly get pushed a little more, even though he did wrestle 112 some that year too.  he could have easily made 112 whenever he wanted

It also probably looked better for college recruits if he was higher then 112. And if you are comparing there high school careers to decide

who is the best it is all going to be pretty even. But if you compare them now, Ruschell kills them all. Ruschell is a winner, he will

pick you apart, most of his matches you have already lost before you started because he always has a good plan going into the match,

and knows your flaws. I would love to see these 4 wrestle. Wow, I would honestly pay good money, and travel a good distance to watch

those matches.

It also probably looked better for college recruits if he was higher then 112. And if you are comparing there high school careers to decide

who is the best it is all going to be pretty even. But if you compare them now, Ruschell kills them all. Ruschell is a winner, he will

pick you apart, most of his matches you have already lost before you started because he always has a good plan going into the match,

and knows your flaws. I would love to see these 4 wrestle. Wow, I would honestly pay good money, and travel a good distance to watch

those matches.

I guess the BSG are always an option. Imagin a round robin between the four of them.

Ruschell's senior year he actually weighed in at 112 but wrestled 119 in all the Kentucky tournaments, including states.  He did this so that he could wrestle 112 at the Beast of the East (7th) and Senior Nationals (3rd).  His junior year I think he weighed in at 103 but wrestled 112 the entire year until states.  Not a bad strategy for someone who is heads and shoulders above everyone else to get a little more competition.

i dunno why peope are bringing up high school careers to compare COLLEGE wrestlers. Tsirtsis was good in high school and it was a good ting that Ruschell beat him. Yes Ruschell wrestled big 10 and D1 but so could have flake, murton, and cooper. NAIA most of the time is weaker than D1 school. But if u wrestle NAIA it doesnt mean u cant compete with the best D1 wrestlers.

Personally i think murton has them all beat. Murton is better than his older brother and i havent seen them wrestle but i think he is better than flake too. I dont even think ruschell could beat cooper. I like Ruschell and followed his season last year. And he wrestled sloppy.

Now if we were to bring up this topic when ruschell and murton are seniors ruschell would probably be a clear favorite. because u can only get as good as ur competition and ur competition can't get any better than the Big Tens.

Some one said Ruscell beat Tsirtsis and yes that was somewhat of a big deal. Tsirtsis was terrible last year. He had some good matches but overall a bad season

i dunno why peope are bringing up high school careers to compare COLLEGE wrestlers. Tsirtsis was good in high school and it was a good ting that Ruschell beat him. Yes Ruschell wrestled big 10 and D1 but so could have flake, murton, and cooper. NAIA most of the time is weaker than D1 school. But if u wrestle NAIA it doesnt mean u cant compete with the best D1 wrestlers.

Personally i think murton has them all beat. Murton is better than his older brother and i havent seen them wrestle but i think he is better than flake too. I dont even think ruschell could beat cooper. I like Ruschell and followed his season last year. And he wrestled sloppy.

Now if we were to bring up this topic when ruschell and murton are seniors ruschell would probably be a clear favorite. because u can only get as good as ur competition and ur competition can't get any better than the Big Tens.

Some one said Ruscell beat Tsirtsis and yes that was somewhat of a big deal. Tsirtsis was terrible last year. He had some good matches but overall a bad season

I agree with you that what they did in h.s. has no relevance to what they have done or will do in college.  A lot of guys peak after h.s., and some peak during h.s.  I'm a big fan of Brad Cooper, but i just can't believe he would beat Ruschell today.  I may be wrong, but i just can't see it. 

Also, I understand why you say Kyle is sloppy, but i think that's just his style a little bit.  He's a great scrambler and kind of has that whole funk thing.  I think people think that's sloppy, but it's really not.  I think some people would say Ben Askren is sloppy, but his results speak for themselves.  I watched his finals match again a few days ago, and you want to talk about sloppy...look at how Askren won in the finals.  But he does that stuff over and over again.  Try to train for someone who is that unorthodox.  It would be virtually impossible to have a "game plan" going into a match with Askren.  I think it would be also very difficult to plan for a match with Ruschell. 

i dunno why peope are bringing up high school careers to compare COLLEGE wrestlers. Tsirtsis was good in high school and it was a good ting that Ruschell beat him. Yes Ruschell wrestled big 10 and D1 but so could have flake, murton, and cooper. NAIA most of the time is weaker than D1 school. But if u wrestle NAIA it doesnt mean u cant compete with the best D1 wrestlers.

Personally i think murton has them all beat. Murton is better than his older brother and i havent seen them wrestle but i think he is better than flake too. I dont even think ruschell could beat cooper. I like Ruschell and followed his season last year. And he wrestled sloppy.

Now if we were to bring up this topic when ruschell and murton are seniors ruschell would probably be a clear favorite. because u can only get as good as ur competition and ur competition can't get any better than the Big Tens.

Some one said Ruscell beat Tsirtsis and yes that was somewhat of a big deal. Tsirtsis was terrible last year. He had some good matches but overall a bad season

The only person that can honestly judge these 4 is someone who has recently watched all them wrestle. And I havent, and I know most of the people on here havent. Ruschell is an unbelievably hard worker, and I would bet money that Ruschell would beat all of them. And I deffinetly couldnt see Murton beating any of them really.