I don't want to bash Coach Coomes because I know that he doesn't receive all of the information that he needs to do this effectively. BUT, I think there is some information out there that can be used to make a better ranking system. So, I have searched the web for newpapers and team sites and watched and read about as many meets as possible and come up with my own version of the Kentucky High School Wrestling Rankings. And I welcome any and all criticisms and potential corrections that you have. There are still a few wrestlers that I haven't seen results for and don't have a good idea what weight they are wrestling. So let me know what you have seen if I have something wrong.

The first installment of the Rebel Wrestling Rankings #2005-1 (only 1-10, later releases will go to 20+):

103

Way Co Travis Sullivan

Un Co Adam Carr

PD Jon Voth

Wood Co Shane Parks

Tri Dan Smith

Whit Co Dalton Evans

FC Tommy Warren

SO Paul Huhnke

Sen Elliott Martin

NO Andre Zeppa

112

JC Cory Spencer

Eas Joaquin Luna

Un Co Chance Puckett

Way Co Coty Vinsant

NO Antonio Zeppa

HC Matt Zarth

Cam Co Corey Shotwell

NH Josh Johnson

Scott Gabe Supe

CH Mason Bradbury

119

FC Caleb Wood

PD Tyler Voth

SO Daniel Murner

And Co Clayton Stocker

Wood Co John Smith

Old Co Eric Warner

Ryle Sam Scheuer

JH Justin Pitcher

Sen John Chui

Un Co Isaac Ervin

125

SO Derek Scott

Wood Co Rusty Parks

JH Cassidy Veach

Lar Co Stacy Miller

Old Co Ben Warner

St X Tyler Baines

Cald Co Marcus Coleman

Con Rashad Brown

NH Matt Eck

Sou Louis Ashley

130

Lar Co Ozzy Parker

Ryle Bryan Peace

Mc Cen Eric Bryant

Cam Co Ben Rust

FC Malcolm Jackson

Har Co Bryan Wasson

Tri Mike Bowlds

AB Trace Stafford

Eas Paul Marks

Sen Zach Poulton

135

Har Co Josh Ashbrook

SC Brandon Howard

Tri Ben Case

FC Tyler Weldon

Lar Co Matt Miller

Wood Co Chad Scott

Chr Co Cameron Bibbs

Scott Chad Ryder

NO Tom Kusnir

Laf Carlos Gomez

140

Law Co Jacob Murton

Scott Daniel Thueneman

Sou Joe Powers

Har Co Beau Sanders

Ft Camp Matt Mines

FC Kevin Stewart

Hol John Golsby

Lar Co Evan Smith

Ohio Co Wesley Kiper

And Co Jacob Spaulding

145

SK Josh Cooper

Cam Co Bryon Wilson

Ryle Rob Aylor

Wood Co Harrison Courtney

Lar Co Patrick Banks

Un Co Mitch Ervin

Har Co Ryan Ross

SO Bryan Ford

FC Ben Barger

Vall Daniel Rader

152

SK Austin Cooper

FC John Wolsiefer

Cald Co Cody Traylor

Lar Co Scott Wheeler

SO Ben Greco

NH Ty Wolf

CH J. Collins

Sen Shandon Hooper

Way Co Tim Winchester

Cam Co Tom Brownfield

160

Wood Co Chad Fyffe

Lar Co Bryant Barnhill

DH Brad Denham

Cald Co Cody Walls

Cam Co Jacob Hildreth

SC Adam Dials

SO Cody Lasigne

CH Brian Roberts

NH Matt Baker

Tri Allen Tomassetti

171

Wood Co Will Starks

Eas Ben Rupp

Har Co Gary Doyle

NH Mark Jones

Lar Co Kyle Carmen

SC Ryan Kelly

And Co Robert Dillhoff

Sen Matt White

SO Ryan Houchens

Moore Ethan Dunn

189

Wood Co Richard Starks

Old Co Alex Wenninger

Ryle Greg Ashworth

Tri Grant Laswell

Lar Co Jake Shipp

SO Cameron Hartman

PD Douglas Winter

Whit Co Singley

Scott Michael Haught

HC Zack Guiler

215

SO Taylor Scherer

Eas Aaron Wise

Con Dale Stone

NH Steven Dow

Lar Co Joe Embree

Har Co Travis Aubrey

Old Co Daniel Martinko

Mc Cen Jacob Watson

SC Justin Chaffin

JH J. Kerrison

275

Tri Mike Clark

PRP Jason Hardin

Wood Co Kyle Goodrich

Pad Til Bryan Hall

Ohio Co Adam Burdin

Ft Knox Anthony Bailey

CH Daniel Craig

NH Matt Ballinger

Mc Cen Chris Espinoza

Cen Corey Peters

I forgot the team rankings:

Woodford County

South Oldham

Larue County

Fern Creek

Trinity (Louisville)

Harrison County

Ryle

North Hardin

Campbell County

Sheldon Clark

Union County

Oldham County

Eastern

Paul Dunbar

Anderson County

Caldwell County

Simon Kenton

Conner

Central Hardin

Wayne County

After NKAC i like the fact that you have Josh Cooper first at 145. He did beat Aylor, Wilson, and Thuneman all in one weekend's work ... thats amazing.

I also think Ozzie Parker is the guy to beat at 130.

Those look pretty good actually. I would probably change Warner and Ayler alittle.

Put Warner higher up, maybe 2. I bet he wins that weight class. And after last week, put Ayler down alittle more, behind Courtney.

They look good.

Look's pretty good to me. Still a lot of work for some kids though to improve themselves in the rankings. Some weights are really starting to look real solid. Like to see that more in Kentucky. We are starting to fill each wieght with more quality wrestlers, than just the top 1 or 2. Nice job , keep up the good work.

I still think Aylor will be a force, just may have a tough region to deal with. I have seen Warner this year and think Miller is better, who has been beaten by Veach twice.

My goal is to get as many results from the weekend as possible (such as NKAC and Bourbon Bash last week) and update rankings each Wednesday.

ranger 123 coomes rankings are pretty acurate at the end of the year. give the man time to see people wrestle and get results. people will move weights by jan 15. we will then have a good look. other than the top two or three in each class everthing else is a guess.

You know it doesnt matter what these ranking say, it doesnt matter till February when the dust is clear and medals are awarded.

id put mines and goldsby ahead of powers and sanders

and stone ahead of wise

Sanders beat Goldsby 10-1 and I think he would beat Mines also, I don't know much about the Powers kid.

1.Murton(Law. co.)

2.Thuenaman(Scott)

3.Sanders(Harr. co.)

4.Mines(Ft.Cambell)

5.Goldsby(Cov. Holmes)

6.Powers(Southern)

7.Stewart(Fern Creek)

8.Spualding(Anderson Co.)

9.Kiper(Ohio Co.)

10.Smith(Larue Co.)

That's what I think it should be personally.

I somewhat agree that these rankings don't mean much, especially once two kids step onto the mat. But I think they are great to generate some excitement around individuals, teams, dual meets, or tournaments. What better way to get some fans interested in coming out to a meet than to say "Come out and see us against Fern Creek, the #4 team in the state" or "we're wrestling Simon Kenton which has 2 kids ranked #1 in the state". And the only way that works is if the rankings are reasonable, credible, and based on as much information as possible, which is what I'm trying to do.

Ranger123 good job it looks good to me. Maybe we can get you to do them more often. 8)

ya they look pretty good, nice job..

btw- bulldog, did sanders beat goldsby 10-1 this year or last year? if it was this year thats really good since goldsby only lost to thuneman 13-11.

Mines has never wrestler Sanders so check your facts, Matt hasnt lost this year

Nice work!

im going to go with...

1. murton

2. thuenaman

3. mines

4. sanders

5. goldsby

btw- bulldog, did sanders beat goldsby 10-1 this year or last year? if it was this year thats really good since goldsby only lost to thuneman 13-11.

It was this year, at Anderson Co. I think it was

Nice job. You looked at the results and did the rankings.Keep up the good work.Things will change alot as people make thier weights.

Looking at the rankings I think they are good but noticed a few wrestlers ranked ahead of people they have lost to this year and not in a close match. 189 has Larue ranked ahead of Dunbar after the Dunbar kid beat him 13-5 at Oldham County Duals. 171 Larue kid is ranked and Dunbar kid beat in a close by score but really not that close of a match. He scored his 2 pts because the Dunbar kid let him up.

I didn't see Joey Sanders from Wayne County ranked anywhere. He is the defending State Champ.

Where did Sanders defeat Golsby? I'm quite certain Golsby defeated Sanders at the dual at Holmes. Golsby took him down 2 or 3 times in the 1st period then ran out of gas and allowed Sanders to come back and almost tie the match in the 3rd.

At the NKAC Golsby was able to match Tuenerman, he did however catch a hip toss that gave him 4 points and tying the match. Golsby took the lead in the 3rd with a switch, then Thuenerman got an escape a point for stalling and finally a takedown to win the match.

From what I have seen Golsby wrestles to the potential of his opponents. He only defeated Hovekamp by a couple also. He gets sloppy, but is able to beat anyone on a given day, but also able to lose to anyone on a given day.

Who has beaten Josh Cooper this season?

Harrison Courtney beat Josh Cooper at the Oldham Co. Super Duals

Looking good man, way to do some research.

Well, then 145 looks wrong....is there only one undefeated wrestler at 145? So, he's beat Banks and Cooper? Plus Alyor and Wilson have lost.

Looks like Courtney should be ranked #1.

these rankings do look good !!!

hey i dont post much but i found one thing yall need to learn and that is if the rankings has someone ranked then they must be doing something noticable. yes i know there are mistakes in the rankings but very few. everyone wants to argue 140 case and as yall do, you throw people out as you go. the one yall throw out the most is Powers. if you dont know about someone then how can you throw them out? for those of you that dont know him let me get you up to speed. he has only lost once that i am aware of. that was to the scott co kid. now with that said he was ranked last year at 40 and then was hurt mid season causing him to sit the rest of the season out. even when he was hurt he countinued to be ranked. so everyone can keep throwing him to the side but when your time come to wrestling him, pm me and tell me how it goes, the only person that can say they really know who he is, is scott county and i want to tell him good job on his and joe's match. ranked, not ranked, or a under dog, he dont care he is here to do one thing and one thing only WRESTLE!

Excellent job! I thought the majority of it looked correct. We appreciate all your hard work, as well as the time that Eastern's coach puts into his rankings also.

Glad to see you got Scott Wheeler included in there. He deserved it.

Ozzie Parker looked fantastic at the Central Hardin duals today. He looked like a #1 wrestler.

Cassidy Veach is correctly ranked above Stacey Miller since he beat him twice, but lets hope both wrestlers get healthy soon, and meet at full strength at Region.

I thought Tomassetti of Trinity was wrestling 152?

Matt Baker of North Hardin has never been beaten by Roberts of Central Hardin. Although they tied for third at match limit at KOB, Baker had soundly beat Weiss of Fern Creek, who previously had soundly beat Roberts.

Check out the results from the Bruin Duals today, as there were some super match ups! Larue, Fern Creek, Trinity, North Hardin, Union Co and a depleted Oldham Co team looked very impressive today.

That would be great, where are they?

First of all Josh Cooper deserves to be first, he has shown some serious talent at NKAC beating thuneman, aylor, and wilson. Also some of the wrestlers (matt bryd, maybe joey sanders) are not ranked up there due to an injury. I heard Bryd was in a car wreck and wasnt aloud wrestling the first month or something like that.

somebody should post the results of the bruin duals, some of those matches will probably change some of the rankings, or so they should

Thanks for the feedback.

Joey Sanders is not ranked because I had no idea where to put him. I saw some dual results (from TN) that showed him at 160. So I was waiting for an update on him. I missed the Courtney over Cooper result, though I agree Cooper looked tough last weekend.

wow! courtney beat cooper at Oldham? it looks like a lot of people aren't giving courtney his props....that's amazing, cooper looked good at the NKAC....but coutney's just a freshman...that's amazing!

I think the 112 rankings are about to make a change

why are the woodford faithful being so hush-hush about this....i take it Coty Lewis is going to make 112? or already has? I hope he's healthy at that weight...if so, I imagine he's pretty much a lock.

Josh Johnson has lost two close matches to Bradbury :wink:

But no one has reported that.

112

JC Cory Spencer

Eas Joaquin Luna

Un Co Chance Puckett

Way Co Coty Vinsant

NO Antonio Zeppa

HC Matt Zarth

Cam Co Corey Shotwell

NH Josh Johnson

Scott Gabe Supe

CH Mason Bradbury

Clayton Stocker lost to Lucas Carman Laure :idea:

119

FC Caleb Wood

PD Tyler Voth

SO Daniel Murner

And Co Clayton Stocker

Wood Co John Smith

Old Co Eric Warner

Ryle Sam Scheuer

JH Justin Pitcher

Sen John Chui

Un Co Isaac Ervin

Ben Warner beat Stacy Miller 8-1, I believe.

Warner should be min. 2nd behind Derek Scott :wink:

125

SO Derek Scott

Wood Co Rusty Parks

JH Cassidy Veach

Lar Co Stacy Miller

Old Co Ben Warner

St X Tyler Baines

Cald Co Marcus Coleman

Con Rashad Brown

NH Matt Eck

Sou Louis Ashley

Didn't Malcolm beat Bryant :?:

130

Lar Co Ozzy Parker

Ryle Bryan Peace

Mc Cen Eric Bryant

Cam Co Ben Rust

FC Malcolm Jackson

Har Co Bryan Wasson

Tri Mike Bowlds

AB Trace Stafford

Eas Paul Marks

Sen Zach Poulton

Come on jp, don't you have confidence in your man Veach against Warner? Thanks for the updates!

Yep, I just heard Coty Lewis weighed in at under 111. WOW!

Also, Ashbrook lost to Henry Clay this morning, maybe Nick Cooper?

Come on jp' date=' don't you have confidence in your man Veach against Warner? Thanks for the updates!

Yep, I just heard Coty Lewis weighed in at under 111. WOW![/quote']

That's got to be a diet for the record books

I'd like to see his sheet with his lowest weight, he must barely make the number :roll: .

If he does, good luck, he is a tough wrestler.

No, I think it will be a close match either way, when Cassidy is health.

Also if i'm not mistaking malcom jackson got beat by mike bowlds of trinity at 130 ??

I know Malcom is tough, but Bryant was very sick when they wrestled. Plus he followed it up by losing at KOB. And I need to see a little more from Bowlds.

Thanks for the feedback.

Joey Sanders is not ranked because I had no idea where to put him. I saw some dual results (from TN) that showed him at 160. So I was waiting for an update on him. I missed the Courtney over Cooper result' date=' though I agree Cooper looked tough last weekend.[/quote']

Heard Joey was not wrestling this year????

So, bassically not knowning all the results of who won or lost, or head to head matches or upsets the rankings will changes weekly:?:

:?: if you wrestle up a weight class "win or lose", should that be held against you for rankings or seeding :?:

What about the guy that hasn't made weight but a couple times, sick, injuried and his record is 10-1, should he be ranked or seeded higher than 25-1 :?: You can see this can become a monster of opioions.

What about I beat him, him beat them, and them beat I :?:

Who would be ranked or seeded higher :?:

Based on what, won vs. lost :?:

You're totally right, it is a monster of opinions. Hence, the creation of this website in the first place to state them.

I believe head to head meetings and how one wrestles against common opponents are the two most important considerations in that order ... not raw wins and losses or other factors.

My attitude about wrestling sick or hurt is this. That shouldn't be factored into rankings ... if you're on the mat you're not hurt. Toughing it out is admirable and shows you're a real man, but let the rankings reflect that you're the better man when you beat the guy next time you wrestle. The rankings would temporarily be off, but correct themselves next time.

You're totally right' date=' it is a monster of opinions. Hence, the creation of this website in the first place to state them.

I believe head to head meetings and how one wrestles against common opponents are the two most important considerations in that order ... not raw wins and losses or other factors.

My attitude about wrestling sick or hurt is this. That shouldn't be factored into rankings ... if you're on the mat you're not hurt. Toughing it out is admirable and shows you're a real man, but let the rankings reflect that you're the better man when you beat the guy next time you wrestle. The rankings would temporarily be off, but correct themselves next time.[/quote']

Well said

The rankings look pretty good, but a couple of changes should be made, especially now that Coty Lewis has made wrestled at 112. You have to have him #1 there, but I know that he hadn't wrestled at the time you made these up. Courtney has to be #1 at 145, he beat Cooper and Banks. Personally I don't think Aylor or Wilson are that tough anyway. Steven Butler has to be on there somewhere also, he beat the Harrison County kid today and had the match won against Bryant but got beat in OT at the Bourbon Bash. Someone who nobody has even thought about is our 152 pounder Justin Mays. I know he hasn't done anything yet but this kid is coming on strong, look out for him come February. Also when Byrd comes back he will obviously be a force at 215.

Coty lewis made weight AND wrestled at 112? When did this happen and who did he wrestle?

This is how I would see 112...

112(your opinion) 112(my opinion)

JC Cory Spencer #1 Eas Joaquin Luna

Eas Joaquin Luna #2 Un Co Chance Puckett

Un Co Chance Puckett #3 JC Cory Spencer

Way Co Coty Vinsant #4 Way.Co Coty Vinsant

NO Antonio Zeppa #5Scott Gabe Supe(Beat Mason)

HC Matt Zarth #6CH Mason Bradbury

Cam Co Corey Shotwell #7NH Josh Johnson

NH Josh Johnson #8HC Matt Zarth

Scott Gabe Supe #9Cam Co Corey Shotwell

CH Mason Bradbury #10NO Antonio Zeppa

I just feel this would be better rankings after seeing most of them wrestle. Just how I would see it, No offence please...Please feel free to commenton the last three...havent realy saw them wrestle and I heard there wasnt much competition at 112 at the lonesome(in which zeppa won so I dont really know who hes beat or if hes wrestled matt zarth or Corey Shotwell yet.)

Sorry my last post got kinda screwed up...my opinion on the 112 rankings are right next to the origional ones..sorry

I think you have done a great job on these ranking and am impressed this would be nice if it was up date weekly or biweekly. kudos.

Yes, Lewis made and wrestled at 112 today. He will be there the rest of the year.

By far, the #1 wrestler at that weight class.

157, I'm all over those. I arrived just in time to see Woodford destroy Harrison.

Yes, these are all opinions. And it will really get down to opinion when you have the "triangle of death" and everyone has beaten the other. IMO, head to head is #1 (unless there is something weird, like Parks injury or my opinion that Bryant was too sick to wrestle), common opponents #2, and early on history is #3. Another big factor is performing in the spotlight. If you beat a guy in a dual, but lose to him in the finals of a big tournament, the spotlight match matters most to me. Because that is more like the state tournament.

Stacy Miller should not even be ranked, he's an over-rated nobody who had a lucky draw last year at state.

Thats harsh. No matter how easy the draw is, a nobody is not gonna make the state finals.

Breaking Bones better watch it or he's gonna have some Broken Bones (LOL). Actually I think he may be one of ours so let's pay no mind...you know how we are out here in the country, sometimes you end up marrying your cousin, sister...etc... and the offspring just don't turn out quite right!

Completely disagree with the Stacey Miller comment. He pinned his way through to the semis (including a match against Jackson) and beat a pretty tough Trimble easily.

Stacy Miller should not even be ranked' date=' he's an over-rated nobody who had a lucky draw last year at state.[/quote']

Breaking bones, on paper the tougher side of the bracket was the top, especially the lower top.

As for Stacy:

Trimble beat Sexton 4-2

Trimble beat Bryant 13-3 cons.

Stacy beat Trimble 10-3

Bryant beat Warner Fall

That's why we wrestle the matches :wink:

I'm not saying Stacy can or could beat Warner, I think Warner would have been a better match with Ruschell.

Give Stacy some credit he beat Trimble, thats not overrated.

Kyle Tech'd everyone, the whole weight class was wrestling for 2nd on down.

As for this year, who knows what the draw will be :?:

TroJanMan112,

No offense at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I welcome them all. They actually help.

Yes, Lewis is now the man at 112. He still needs to get into wrestling shape (and it may show at the WCI), but in the end he will be the man to beat.

As for your list, Spencer beat Luna head-to-head at state last year. Other than that I think we're pretty close. A lot will work itself out in the next week.

Range123,

My personal opinion is why are you even wasting your time with this? Rankings do not mean a thing. it about who goes out there and who kicks who's butt. Yes it doescreate some excitement but if people are crying about the ranking THEN DO SOMETHING!!! go out there and beat who you need to beat to get to be ranked, cause some of you are crying about it saying 1.I should have been ranked, 2.I could've beat that kid, or 3.why isn't my best friend ranked? well i got the answers 1.your personal opinion will not change coach coomes opinion it's the facts. 2. YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE KID WHEN IT COUNTED. THAT'S THE POINT YOU DIDN'T BEAT HIM, IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU COULD WOULD OR WILL IT'S IF YOU DID!!!!.3. because he's doing them same thing your doing crying about the ranking and not doing some thing about it. and as for your last reply so what if Lewis is at 12 people think just cause he's there that he's automaticly the shiz-nit. Well i'm thrilled for him but until he does destroy all the competion he's just at the bottom of the list cause some people have work hard at 12 so far and he just got here. Oh and yeah Joaquin did beat Spencer and Spencer did beat Joaquin at states.b but joaquin has benn kicking tail all year with 17-1 record only loss was to New Albany at the KOB fianls. but when it comes down to Joaquin and Spencer we will see who's victorious. and when Joaquin is on a higher platform than Spencer at state we will all knew but untill then I personal think you should stop wasteing you time with this.

I sure hope you feel better after all that.

First of all, it is my time I'm wasting and if you don't think they mean anything, why do you care?

Second, you're probably just mad because you or your buddy aren't ranked high enough or at all. If so, follow your own advice and do something about it.

Third, I'm not trying to change Coach Coomes' mind. I'm just presenting an alternative (I think better) option for rankings. I have been a coach and have some idea how busy he is and that he doesn't get the support of all of the other coaches.

Finally, you are correct. Luna and Spencer will likely have the chance to settle things on the mat. And I really couldn't care less who wins, I am just presenting my best guess at this point. As for Coty Lewis, he is the returning 112 runner-up. And I've seen him wrestle for a few years. I've also seen Luna quite a bit. In my opinion, Lewis is much better. We'll probably see next week at the WCI.

No need to get snippy pal. Using the same argument structure as you are, no matter how much you rant thats not changing Ranger's rankings. If Ranger didn't rank you as high as Coomes did, wrestle harder. If its your buddy, that goes for him too. :twisted:

You're doing the same thing you accuse everyone of, or you wouldn't have homed in Luna and Spencer specifically. Right ?

First of all I don't wrestle.My best friend Joaquin Luna is Ranked #1 in the state. Joaquin said nothing so don't critize him, and all I am saying is that every one is crying about the ranking that coomes made. I'm not trying to be "snippy" or bring people down but I think that it is pointless to do ranking as long as you have it in your will to do what you gotta do and go out there and kick ass you should be alright ranked or not. didn't mean to be offensive toward Ranger123 but I was just expressing what I feel and your right it's your time you do what you want but other than these people here on Kentucky wrestling no one is going to care about your rankings cause they are not offical. It's all about Coomes's Offical ranking that they are going to go by because every goes by his ranking not some dude that made up his own on some gossip forum website. And like it or not that is sadly the way that is because that's the way the game goes. And Ranger123 you are abosolutly right about Lewis he is and incredibal athlete. He is amzing on that mat. I'm not saying anyone sucks or somone is better than some one else my opinon is that if your are still wrestling you are absolutly someone, because this is not an easy sport in fact it is the hardest sport out there and it may not get as much recognition as it should but it takes balls thats all i am saying . I belive anyone can beat anyone it's just a matter of how hard you train how bad you want it and how much heart you put in it, and some peolpe do train harder then others and some people do want it badder than others and some people put more heart than others and thats why the suceed it's not a matter of the loser sucking or anything it's just that the winner tried harder and thats what this sport is all about ranking or not.

You are basicly right. Once two guys step on the mat, rankings mean nothing. Its all about what you have put into it and how much heart you have. But that doesn't make ranking pointless. For the outside world rankings are important. Look at most of the newpaper articles that get published. They always refer to a team or individual ranking. And my main point in this effort is that our rankings can be better. Again, no offense to Coach Coomes, but he is not exactly impartial (not saying he favors his guys, but some may question) and he isn't able to get all of the information he needs. I am going to extra efforts to get the most info possible. And I still miss some. I have viewed this topic from all possible perspectives: wrestler (#1 ranked), coach (kids not ranked that were pretty good), and fan (wondering how good an opponent is of a friend or family member who is wrestling). And that's why I'm doing this. Because I think it will be at least interesting to some people. And who knows, maybe one day it will actually be useful to a lot of people beyond this site.

you are exatly right 100% on that and I respect what your doing and maybe it will mean something one day. I didn't mean ranking are pointless i could have reworded it a bit I just think like what you said once they step into ranking then mean nothing. and people shouldn't get to worked up about it.

you are exatly right 100% on that and I respect what your doing and maybe it will mean something one day. I didn't mean ranking are pointless i could have reworded it a bit I just think like what you said once they step into ranking then mean nothing. and people shouldn't get to worked up about it.

then why are you getting worked up about it?

I'm not gettin worked up I'm just stating a point

Yea, Harrison Countys team had 4 varsity wrestlers out of their lineup, and Ashbrook was sick both days,and weighed in at 135 and had to bump up to 140to cover for Beau Sanders who was also sick with a sore throat.

If ranking are so pointless then why r u wasting you time reading them and posting on this site. This site is set up to discuss wrestling not to point out how others should be using their time.

If ranking are so pointless then why r u wasting you time reading them and posting on this site. This site is set up to discuss wrestling not to point out how others should be using their time.

thank you, couldnt of said it better.

For being a foolish waste of time, this thread has gotten a massive amount of hits. Ever read that when you click ?

What are the odds that so many people are wasting time, as defined by you, and you're right and 1520 views (presently) are wrong? Not that it should matter what they do with it.

By the way, i didn't bring up Luna .. you did. I never said what i thought he should be ranked ... so lets not go there.