Okay, I am cutting it close tonight, but I met my deadline.  I was delayed by 2 things.  First, I had to officiate a tri meet tonight.  Then, my good buddy pinned-em-all challenged me to tackle the team dual rankings.  So I took a quick stab at that.  And before anyone starts crying about that, here are a couple of notes.  First, I did it based on what I think the lineups will be for the regional tournament (no monkeying around with the lineup for favorable matchups).  I also only did the top 15 based on who I believe will be at the state duals.  I'm sure a North Oldham or Simon Kenton will beat a few of these teams or even fight their way into the state duals, but right now I don't see it that way (and I guessed on the fill in teams).  As everyone has seen already there are a lot of guys still working their way down to weight, so there is lots of shuffling and surprises still to come (when some guys decide to get on the mat).

103

1 Tri Myron Bradbury 10

2 Un Co Jarvis Elam 12

3 Let Co Cen Dakota Kincer 11

4 Way Co Luke Troxell 8

5 Ryle Austin Palmer 10

6 Har Co Andy Lenz 11

7 TC Zac Brown 10

8 Hend Co Chris Merriwether 10

9 Bou Co John Stout 8

10 PD Pat Milford 10

11 St X Byron Hoskinson 10

12 Lar Co Nick Paden 8

13 Wood Co Robert Bracco

14 JC Jayce Carr 8

15 Mon Co Rex Stephens

16 Scott Ritchie Supe 9

17 Sou James Huffine 10

18 Con Lane Jones 7

19 JH Wade Holtsclaw 7

20 HC Joe Mims 9

21 Eas Joe Rupp 7

22 Nel Co Daniel Pile

23 Cam Co Jake Wells 9

24 NO Zach Richardson 10

25 Apollo Kara Hudson

112

1 Way Co Travis Sullivan 12

2 Mon Co Ross Carpenter-Fraser 12

3 Tri Dan Smith 12

4 Sen Jeff Warra 11

5 SK Robbie Vaughn 11

6 Bull Cen James Badgett 12

7 JH Kirby Goodwine 10

8 Ryle Michael Osbourne 10

9 JC Zach Salyers 9

10 FC Daniel Wiexler 12

11 NH Coty Wood 11

12 Lar Co Joey Henderson 10

13 Chr Co Dee Leavell 11

14 Ft Camp Jared Smith 11

15 CH Kyle Terry 9

16 PD Abdul Aghil 12

17 Hol Brandon Wren 10

18 St X James Severs 11

19 Bou Co Jose Soriano 10

20 Dav Co Cyle Martinson

21 Cam Co Sean Hammons 12

22 Laf Jimmy Lacy 9

23 Whit Co Duncan Caddell 9

24 Scott Jason Nieses

25 NO Taylor South 12

119

1 Un Co Aaron Carr 11

2 HC Matt Zarth 11

3 Sen Elliott Martin 12

4 Whit Co Dalton Evans 12

5 Way Co Bryan Daniels 12

6 PD Jon Voth 12

7 NH Terrance Demery 10

8 JC Cory Spencer 12

9 Wood Co Ethan Miller 12

10 Cam Co Caleb Schneider 11

11 Scott Steve Supe 10

12 Lar Co Justin Thompson 11

13 Tri Sean Gillespie

14 Doss Wes Lewis 11

15 Sou Robert Noe

16 Meade Arthur Ohmes 12

17 Ryle Kaleb Lonkard 9

18 New John Hale 10

19 Old Co Michael Toth 10

20 Ohio Co Tyler Boone 10

21 JH Chris Wallace 10

22 St X Kyle Honeycutt 9

23 TC Riley Warner

24 Call Co Brandon Tibaldi 12

25 Ath John Becerra 10

125

1 Wood Co Shane Parks 12

2 Way Co Coty Vinsant 12

3 Un Co Jake Wempe 12

4 Ft Camp Zach Bontrager 12

5 NO Andre Zeppa 12

6 Laf Shawn Johnson 10

7 CH Ross Engle 12

8 Scott Gabe Supe 12

9 Chr Co Dustin Thomas 10

10 SK Steve Norberry 11

11 TC Kasey Hedges 11

12 JC JJ Jude 8

13 Sen Rayontez Harper

14 SO Brandon Whitehouse 10

15 Mc Cen Derek Corder 12

16 Con TJ Bates 10

17 Whit Co Joey Caddell 10

18 PRP Jacob Colston 12

19 JH Houston Lundy 11

20 Ryle Anthony Marlo

21 Cam Co Jeff Weckbach 12

22 Har Co Cody Ward

23 NH Brandon Wilder 12

24 Moore Zachary Michael 10

25 KCD Tom James 12

130

1 Old Co Trey Morlatt 12

2 Wood Co Coty Lewis 12

3 JH Josh Johnson 10

4 Lar Co Lucas Carmen 12

5 Un Co Caleb Ervin 9

6 PRP Corey Mills 12

7 St X Daniel Miller 12

8 Let Co Cen Josh Back 12

9 Ft Knox Cameron Barrientos 12

10 Tri Jacob Barton 12

11 Cam Co Talon Deinlein 12

12 Hend Co Bryce Alexander 11

13 Scott Justin Miley 12

14 Sou Marc Blanford 12

15 Sen Bryce Poole 12

16 Fr Co Bryan Thompson 11

17 Ryle Matt Aylor

18 HC Cody Guiler 10

19 PD Curtis Madison

20 Har Co Trevor Maxwell 11

21 Way Co Aaron Dodd 9

22 SO Steve Vaughn 11

23 Irq Rayshawn Graham 11

24 CH David Ward 12

25 Mc Cen Roscoe Garland

135

1 Sen Zach Poulton 12

2 Eas Justin Davis 11

3 Lar Co Matt Miller 12

4 Cam Co Dusty Brown 11

5 Un Co Luke Ervin 11

6 SC Matt Slone 10

7 JC Tyler Grimm 10

8 Ryle Will Gilliland 12

9 And Co BJ Robinson 11

10 FC Derek Branch 12

11 Tri Grant Ohlman 10

12 Old Co Jeremy Bollman 11

13 JH Isaac Rojas 10

14 Chr Co Jake Skinner 12

15 SO Cole Proctor 9

16 NO Dan Thomson 10

17 CH Steven Rivera 12

18 Apollo Josh King 12

19 Wood Co KT Routt 12

20 Doss Aaron Cosgrove 12

21 Ryle Zack Roland 10

22 Hend Co Brandon Brack 10

23 Way Co Korey Smith 12

24 PRP Nick Reichmuth 12

25 Moore Nick Vincent 11

140

1 Ryle Bryan Peace 12

2 Cen John Thomas 12

3 And Co Sammy Isaacs 12

4 SO Andrew Mitchell 12

5 Cam Co Kyle Griffith 12

6 PD Donnell Davis 12

7 Sen Ricky Wright 11

8 Tri Kenny Watkins 12

9 Doss Billy Cahill 12

10 JH Jordan Murphy 10

11 Ohio Co Adam Lynch 11

12 Lar Co Shaquille Cox 9

13 Con Matt O'Bryan 12

14 CH John Eberle 12

15 Un Co Josh Willett 12

16 NO John Aretakis 12

17 Moore Steve Willbanks 10

18 Eas Tom Rupp

19 Cald Co Clay Overby 12

20 Let Co Cen Scotty Baker 12

21 KCD Hardy Hendren 9

22 Chr Co Robert Geralds 9

23 Dan Louis Beto 11

24 Bull Cen Akeem Bennett 11

25 Apollo Cody Martin 12

145

1 Wood Co Harrison Courtney 11

2 Un Co Isaac Ervin 11

3 Har Co Beau Sanders 12

4 FC Ben Barger 12

5 Nel Co Jamie Pile 11

6 Cam Co Korey Shotwell 10

7 Cen Kevin Porter 12

8 SK Ben Winkler 12

9 JH Trint Webb 12

10 JC Jordan Freeman 11

11 Way Co Kacy Kennedy 12

12 NO Chris Martorana 12

13 Eas Ryan Clark 12

14 Tri Dylan Harbolt 10

15 PRP William Northington 9

16 St X Elliott Bauer 12

17 Pad Til Judson Pitman 11

18 DH Dylan Curl 12

19 Old Co Nate Rousseau

20 CH James Shinault 10

21 Laf Dair Shapirov 10

22 Let Co Cen BJ Allen 10

23 Dan Brandon Lannum 12

24 Irq Sean Hartman 11

25 Sen Sean Pepper

152

1 PRP Dakoda Choate 11

2 Har Co Josh Ashbrook 12

3 Con Ryan Dillon 12

4 SK Ryan Vaughn 12

5 Chr Co Cory Armstrong 12

6 Wood Co Chad Scott 12

7 Way Co Tim Winchester 12

8 Eas Mikal McNeely 12

9 FC Cody Mann 12

10 Fr Co Ethan Whitt 12

11 Bull Cen Justin Walls 12

12 Sen Lofton Wright 10

13 JC Todd Sites 10

14 Mc Cen Preston Shoopman 10

15 Tri Adam Remines 12

16 Lar Co Des Jakes 11

17 PD Logan Murrell

18 Law Co Zach Frazier 12

19 Des Kevin Snyder 12

20 Cald Co Sam Mitchell 11

21 Cam Co Tobi Liang 12

22 JH Justin Pitcher

23 NO Jeff Thomson 11

24 Nel Co Jamie Thomas 12

25 Old Co Cary Craycroft 12

160

1 FC John Wolsiefer 12

2 Un Co Mitch Ervin 12

3 Bal Howard Brim 12

4 Moore James Schneider 12

5 NH Marcell Haynes 11

6 Fr Co Ryan Tingle 12

7 Ryle Alex Pickett 12

8 Cam Co Jake Lee 10

9 Bull Cen Jeremiah Walls 11

10 PD Josh Drake 12

11 Har Co Michael Cordray 12

12 St X David George 11

13 Tri Russ Whatley 12

14 Way Co Matthew Sullivan 10

15 Lar Co Bernard Ray 8

16 NO Chris Dudley 12

17 Meade Nathan Kelch 12

18 Chr Co Calvin McNeeley

19 Dan Matt Baskin 12

20 Cen Devin Lovan 12

21 Scott Jacob Henderson 12

22 SO Spencer Warren 10

23 Cald Co Gavin Agnew 10

24 CH Andrew Longo 12

25 Call Co Ryan Shoppe 12

171

1 Ryle Mason Reid 12

2 Tri Brad Hitchings 10

3 Cam Co Thomas Brownfield 12

4 Wood Co Blake Sheehan 12

5 NH Ty Wolfe 12

6 SO Cody Lasseigne 12

7 JH Chris Pitcher 11

8 Ohio Co Jordan Woolen 11

9 Moore Ethan Dunn 12

10 Ft Knox Sean Garcia 11

11 CH Tyler Lasley 12

12 PD Nick Leddy 11

13 SC Brad Stafford 10

14 Un Co Jarrod Burke 12

15 TC Daniel Griggs 11

16 Let Co Cen Ben Fisher 10

17 Eas Phil Harrison 12

18 FC Kurt Waller 12

19 Cald Co Kyle Proffit 11

20 New Nathan Ilg 10

21 St X Ian Amburgy

22 Call Co Matt Fry 12

23 NO Kyle Forbes 11

24 Har Co Brandon Barnett

25 WH Josh Bell 11

189

1 SC Ryan Kelly 11

2 NH Mark Jones 12

3 SO Ryan Houchens 11

4 Tri Josh Lewis 10

5 Un Co Dionte Wright 12

6 Ryle Will Hogben 11

7 JC Ryan Harlow 10

8 FC Kyle Hardin 12

9 Way Co Julian Dominguez 12

10 SK Matt Neal 11

11 Hop Dee Allen 11

12 UH Austin Connor 11

13 Dan Evan Hester 11

14 Chr Co Mark Payne 11

15 Cen Jordan Tennyson 11

16 Des John French 12

17 Lar Co Drew Newberry 8

18 DH Tony Heber 12

19 Meade Cody Bruce 12

20 St X Robert Lange

21 Sou Jordan Blakemore 11

22 Old Co Jeff Smith 11

23 Fr Co Jeremy Gardner

24 JH Nick Knoll 10

25 And Co Marcus White 10

215

1 Doss Derek Nickel 12

2 FC Deon Chaney 12

3 Laf Matt Green 12

4 SC Adam Dials 12

5 SO Cameron Hartman 12

6 Ryle Jacob Bradford 11

7 New Jacob Ilg 11

8 Scott Gary Robbins 12

9 Way Co Tyler Pace 10

10 Fr Co Jeremy Barnett 12

11 Cen Ryondrae Wesley 12

12 Old Co Ichiro Chiba 11

13 Mc Cen Tannen Roe 12

14 DH Steve Benson 12

15 SK Jordan Wilson 11

16 AB Chris Bayless 12

17 Un Co Levi Griggs 11

18 Tri Brock Messina 11

19 St X Evan Gooch 12

20 Dav Co Jamison Hughes 12

21 And Co Justin Hill 11

22 Con Huston Dockery

23 TC Dodd Kinder 10

24 Chr Co Darryl Dobson 11

25 PRP Kyle Smith 12

285

1 Ft Knox Anthony Bailey 12

2 Cam Co Billy Fuller 12

3 Tri Jordan Whiting 11

4 Vall Will Smith 12

5 SK Tony Turner 12

6 Ft Camp Zach Rinestine 12

7 Laf Evan Bullock 12

8 Irq James Payne 12

9 Moore Derek Farley 12

10 Mon Co Dennis Coomer 12

11 Chr Co Houston Croney 11

12 Way Co Brandon Bell 10

13 Cen PC Cobble 11

14 JH Glenn Frost 10

15 Doss Derrick Lawson

16 New Devon Boxx 12

17 Nel Co Josh Conder 12

18 TC Nathan Gray 11

19 Sen Cody Hall 11

20 Eas Tyler Beckett 11

21 Cald Co Tanner Flynn 11

22 NH Justin Browder 10

23 PRP Cody Jaggers 9

24 DH Joe Gronefeld 11

25 Fr Co Aaron Mayes

Team

1 Union County

2 Trinity (Louisville)

3 Ryle

4 Wayne County

5 Woodford County

6 Campbell County

7 Fern Creek

8 Seneca

9 South Oldham

10 North Hardin

11 Simon Kenton

12 John Hardin

13 Harrison County

14 Sheldon Clark

15 Larue County

16 Johnson Central

17 Paul Dunbar

18 Central

19 Pleasure Ridge Park

20 Christian County

21 Lafayette

22 Doss

23 Eastern

24 Fort Knox

25 Oldham County

26 Fort Campbell

27 Moore

28 Montgomery County

29 Letcher County Central

30 Scott

31 St. Xavier

32 Conner

33 Franklin County

34 Central Hardin

35 North Oldham

36 Henry Clay

37 Bullitt Central

38 Anderson County

39 Tates Creek

40 Ballard

41 Whitley County

42 Nelson County

43 Valley

44 Newport

45 Ohio County

46 Henderson County

47 McCreary Central

48 Dixie Heights

49 Southern

50 Iroquois

Team Duals

1 Union County

2 Trinity (Louisville)

3 Wayne County

4 Ryle

5 Woodford County

6 Campbell County

7 Fern Creek

8 Seneca

9 John Hardin

10 Larue County

11 South Oldham

12 North Hardin

13 Sheldon Clark

14 PRP

15 Harrison County

Not sure if i'm not on the rankings because you don't think I should be or because you didn't know I was back wrestling again. I wrestled tonight at 171 and got first period pins over Allen from Bullit Central and some kid from Valley. But, as always, great job on the rankings. I'm sure they take alot of effort. :-)

Did you consider the Beast of the Southeast Results in your team rankings?

If so i was just wondering how Letcher County Central and Sheldon Clark can be ranked so high when they were basically curb stomped by St.X? Saint X placed every wrestler and had 2 champions and 4 runner ups and they arnt even a top team this year. So i guess what im getting at is how can they get stomped by such a bad team and one of them still be 14th. I mean seriously look at the results. the only team within like 50 points was DB (from tennesee)

anywho sorry for the little rant. i apprieciate the rankings as always andi would like to thank you for your time because everything looks good.

Thanks for also adding dual rankings.  Its nice to see where everyone is at on them as well.  It must be pretty hard doing these rankings with this new weight loss program.  Half of these top ranked guys havn't even been able to wrestle at there desired weight class yet.

Wow. I am actually surprised at how high you have Fern Creek in the Duals rankings.  I will be surprised if Fern Creek even goes to State Duals.  They have too many holes in the line-up.

Did you consider the Beast of the Southeast Results in your team rankings?

If so i was just wondering how Letcher County Central and Sheldon Clark can be ranked so high when they were basically curb stomped by St.X? Saint X placed every wrestler and had 2 champions and 4 runner ups and they arnt even a top team this year. So i guess what im getting at is how can they get stomped by such a bad team and one of them still be 14th. I mean seriously look at the results. the only team within like 50 points was DB (from tennesee)

Dude, maybe it has something to do with St X only having one person ranked in the top 10. idk  :-D

wade from JH should e ranked higher i was having a bad day and my head wasnt in the match but he still beat me so i thnk he should be ranked higher

It's important to note that Bryce Alexander is currently wrestling @135 and

beat Luke Ervin on 11/29/07 @ UC.

Dude, maybe it has something to do with St X only having one person ranked in the top 10. idk  :-D

I was in no way saying St.X should be ranked higher.... they are prolly overrated as they only have 1 guy in the top 10.

but when you get spanked by a team that is that bad i dont think you should be ranked #14

Did you consider the Beast of the Southeast Results in your team rankings?

If so i was just wondering how Letcher County Central and Sheldon Clark can be ranked so high when they were basically curb stomped by St.X? Saint X placed every wrestler and had 2 champions and 4 runner ups and they arnt even a top team this year. So i guess what im getting at is how can they get stomped by such a bad team and one of them still be 14th. I mean seriously look at the results. the only team within like 50 points was DB (from tennesee)

anywho sorry for the little rant. i apprieciate the rankings as always andi would like to thank you for your time because everything looks good.

Yes, I saw those results.  BUT, there were not a lot of matchups with highly ranked kids that I saw.  Even though there were 6 guys in the finals I don't know who they beat to get there.  Also, without the complete brackets, I don't know who was missing from those other teams.  We have all seen a lot of guys missing in action so far this season.  I'm sure not having Ryan Kelly or Adam Dials in the lineup affected Sheldon Clark's team scores a bit.  I will say, I have been waiting for some St X results because I have a hard time imagining them finishing really low at state, but without results I have a hard time moving kids around and their score increasing.

Wow. I am actually surprised at how high you have Fern Creek in the Duals rankings.  I will be surprised if Fern Creek even goes to State Duals.  They have too many holes in the line-up.

Duals so often come down to pins.  Who gets them and who gives them up.  When you get to the second half of FC's lineup the will get more than their fair share of pins.  And in a lot of dual matchups, unless they hit some studs I'm guessing Coach Tichenor will find a way to get those lightweights to avoid the pins.  Once we get to Christmas things will be a lot more clear.  More results to see how good the new kids are for everyone and more guys at their final weights once the 2 pound gift is given.

18  Chr Co  Calvin McNeeley  is in the 11th grade.

As to the question about a team spanking another,  yes Sheldon Clark was without two wrestlers who could possibly be in the state finals or placing at the least, and Letcher was also without 7 of there starters do to football.  But St. X looked very good at this event.

Ahhh

    It warms my soul to see that no matter how much warning or how many times you explain yourself there are always others who will question the obvious. :-)

    It must be all this new KERA stuff.  Making them write so much has developed their intelligence to the point where they now know everything without doing research. 

    Us poor ole old timers missed out on this.  We must still do research and study the graphs before we understand things.  Man people like me are dissapearing like the rotary dial phone and the clocks with hands (non digital).  :cry:

  Team

1  Union County

2  Trinity (Louisville)

3  Ryle

4  Wayne County

5  Woodford County

6  Campbell County

7  Fern Creek

8  Seneca

9  South Oldham

10  North Hardin

11  Simon Kenton

12  John Hardin

13  Harrison County

14  Sheldon Clark

15  Larue County

16  Johnson Central

17  Paul Dunbar

18    Christian County

19  Pleasure Ridge Park

21  Lafayette

22  Doss

23  Eastern

24  Fort Knox

25  Oldham County

26  Fort Campbell

27  Moore

28  Montgomery County

29  Letcher County Central

30  Scott

31  St. Xavier

32  Conner

33  Franklin County

34  Central Hardin

35  North Oldham

36  Henry Clay

37  Bullitt Central

38  Anderson County

39  Tates Creek

40  Ballard

41  Whitley County

42  Nelson County

43  Valley

44  Newport

45  Ohio County

46  Henderson County

47  McCreary Central

48  Dixie Heights

49  Southern

50  Iroquois

wow Southern has beat Moore(27),Fort Knox(24),Iroquois(50) in duals

And it tourments we have beat (22)Doss,(24)Fort Knox,(37)Bullitt Central,

(42)Nelson County

Not to take anything away for these team I am trying to so that Southern is no joke and maybe should be a lil high ranked thank you

MHB

It's important to note that Bryce Alexander is currently wrestling @135 and

beat Luke Ervin on 11/29/07 @ UC.

Man this Bryce Alexander must be a contender for the state title the way things are looking, aparently he dominated the Ervin match the way people are talking. Look out for headlock king. Pretty tough for a sophomore, qualified since 7th grade for state. Ervin will get his rematch and if Bryce wins that then we will know for sure who is the best in region 1 at 135.

No matter what team you beat in the rankings that are above, it all comes down to the individual weight class. The teams with more kids ranked in the near the top 8 will be ranked nearer the top.

EXAMPLE:

Individual rankings-

Sou Ft Knox     Doss   Way Co

103 17                           4

112                             1

119 15                 14           5

125                             2

130 14     9                           21

135                         20             23

140                   9

145                             11

152                               7

160                             14

171     10

189 21                             9

215                   1               9

285       1                   15             12

Based on this information the team that is most likely score the most points at state will be ranked above the others. Don't just look at who you beat in the season, but how your team will due at state with all the other teams.

Team rankings:

4 Way Co

22 Doss

24 Ft Knox

45 Sou

I also heard that Ranger was wanting to take a trip to the North Pole! So a little $$$ might help with the rankings also.

The numbers for individual rankings moved when I posted it, so you might have to looked them up.

This is for Sou 135 and anyone that is not sure how the rankings are pulled out of a hat.

Man this Bryce Alexander must be a contender for the state title the way things are looking, aparently he dominated the Ervin match the way people are talking. Look out for headlock king. Pretty tough for a sophomore, qualified since 7th grade for state. Ervin will get his rematch and if Bryce wins that then we will know for sure who is the best in region 1 at 135.

I dont think that Big Daddy is trying to build this kid up to State Contender status. Union County is good. I wrestled for Union County. Ervin

he never said anything about Way Co

Union won't be at the Christian Co. tournament. Walls will go with whatever, he might put the JV team agains Henderson at the UC Duals and have Ervin wrestle JV for that one match.

103GBM

I know, as I said an example.

Having Way Co. just shows a higher ranking team than the others.

What happened to the spreadsheet.  to download and print????

I can't speak for Fort Knox or Iroquois, but we did lose to Southern on a tiebreaker.  However we were without our varsity 103, 130, our 152 wrestled 160 with a torn rotator cuff, and we didn't have our heavyweight.  So we forfeited quite a few points.  But as everyone keeps pointing out, is it's based on advancement in the tournament and points they pick up.  Good luck though the rest of the season and we will see each other again soon.

wow Southern has beat Moore(27),Fort Knox(24),Iroquois(50) in duals

And it tourments we have beat (22)Doss,(24)Fort Knox,(37)Bullitt Central,

(42)Nelson County

Not to take anything away for these team I am trying to so that Southern is no joke and maybe should be a lil high ranked thank you

MHB

   Team

1   Union County

2   Trinity (Louisville)

3   Ryle

4   Wayne County

5   Woodford County

6   Campbell County

7   Fern Creek

8   Seneca

9   South Oldham

10   North Hardin

11   Simon Kenton

12   John Hardin

13   Harrison County

14   Sheldon Clark

15   Larue County

16   Johnson Central

17   Paul Dunbar

18    Christian County

19   Pleasure Ridge Park

21   Lafayette

22   Doss

23   Eastern

24   Fort Knox

25   Oldham County

26   Fort Campbell

27   Moore

28   Montgomery County

29   Letcher County Central

30   Scott

31   St. Xavier

32   Conner

33   Franklin County

34   Central Hardin

35   North Oldham

36   Henry Clay

37   Bullitt Central

38   Anderson County

39   Tates Creek

40   Ballard

41   Whitley County

42   Nelson County

43   Valley

44   Newport

45   Ohio County

46   Henderson County

47   McCreary Central

48   Dixie Heights

49   Southern

50   Iroquois

wow Southern has beat Moore(27),Fort Knox(24),Iroquois(50) in duals

And it tourments we have beat (22)Doss,(24)Fort Knox,(37)Bullitt Central,

(42)Nelson County

Not to take anything away for these team I am trying to so that Southern is no joke and maybe should be a lil high ranked thank you

MHB

yH THERS NO WAY MOORE SHOULD BE SO HIGH SOUTHER BEAT THEM

Southern    kids ranked : 103-17, 119-15, 130-14, 189-21   

Moore        kids ranked : 124-24, 135-25, 140-17, 160-4, 171-9, 285-9

What team scores the most points at state based on this? MOORE!!!

Could change, more kids ranked and ranked higher.

If what CoachK said is correct missing all those guys though that explains alot, plus if you see moore's ranked kids they have 6 compared to southern's 4.  average for moore is 14.6, whereas southern's is 16.75.  So with 6 guys you would expect them to get more points in the state tournament than only 4.  And moore has one guy who must be pretty good as he is ranked 4th so that's more team points than the four kids from southern would expect to get.  

yH THERS NO WAY MOORE SHOULD BE SO HIGH SOUTHER BEAT THEM

If what CoachK said is correct missing all those guys though that explains alot, plus if you see moore's ranked kids they have 6 compared to southern's 4.  average for moore is 14.6, whereas southern's is 16.75.  So with 6 guys you would expect them to get more points in the state tournament than only 4.  And moore has one guy who must be pretty good as he is ranked 4th so that's more team points than the four kids from southern would expect to get.  

YAH AND WE DONT HAVE OUR PPL WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE WE WERE MISSING A WEIGHT CLASS AND WE STIL ONE WITH TWO POINTS TAKIN OFF FOR SPORTSMAN AND A SHOE LACE

Actually that was changed after the match because the shoelaces are no longer a team point it is just a match point.  So taking that away is what tied the score up and there was no unsportsman conduct just the one mistaken point for the shoe.  Our guys are still up a weight class too until the fat test lets them get down.  So our 160 was 171 and our 171 wrestled up to 189.  but either way it was a good match and we will see how the rest of the season turns out, so far it has started just like it did last year!

YAH AND WE DONT HAVE OUR PPL WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE WE WERE MISSING A WEIGHT CLASS AND WE STIL ONE WITH TWO POINTS TAKIN OFF FOR SPORTSMAN AND A SHOE LACE

where's cody herald, 119, for Simon Kenton???

just kidding! :-D

i was not saying that we should be higher than moore i am saying that we as a team should be higher than 49th.

like i said before i am not trying to take anything away from anyone.

i as a person thinks Southern should be a lot higher

What happened to the spreadsheet.  to download and print????

Sorry about that.  All of the chaos of Wednesday night threw me off and I forgot to copy the spreadsheet.  And now I have made a thousand updates.  Next Wednesday.

Thanks myGSP.  Glad to see someone has learned over the last couple years how this thing works and can spare me from having answer these questions.  If it makes anyone feel better, Southern is #48 based on the updates I have right now.  Give the season a few weeks to play out and then you can start asking these type of questions.  But please do the homework first, just like GSP layed it out.  There is a formula that calcs the team scores, but lay out the ranked kids and you get a pretty good idea who falls where.

i was not saying that we should be higher than moore i am saying that we as a team should be higher than 49th.

like i said before i am not trying to take anything away from anyone.

i as a person thinks Southern should be a lot higher

yah i agree its not like we suck that bad i mean seriously we are acutly looking pretty good this year and we still aint done improving

how is mitch number 2 he is going to win the state tournament agian. I think cody martin from apollo is going to wrestle 130.

how is mitch number 2 he is going to win the state tournament agian.

because the kid he is ranked behind is a two time state champion and returning state champion in that weight class. not to mention he is freakin' awsome.

At the nelson county duals Zac Brown beat #11 Hoskinson, #22 Pile, and #24 Richardson. And Nathan Gray beat #11 Croney and #17 Conder

Austin conner got beat by levi scarbourough 9-5 at the hoptown tournatment, watch out for him this year at region

ranger.

Looking at your rankings I assume you use a different criteria to rank dual teams. In the regular rankings you base it on points scored at state.  Do you base your dual rankings on what you think is going to happen in the individual matchups?

What happened to Ryan Dillon getting beat at Ryle by a JV guy?

brandon wren from holmes is planning on staying 119 this year

I Would liek to inform everybody that the middle school heavyweight vince staten from mccreary county is wrestling. my record is 12-4 and i got quickest pin award at the king of the bluegrass tournament yesterday. Also i have beaten tyler beckett 2 out of 2 times..both times by pin from a over and under throw.

typo.. the former middle school heavy weight. i am no longer in middle school. i am a freshmen in highschool.

smart, tell everyone how you are going to pin them. Over-under, ill have to watch out for that...haha..congrats on quickest pin, how fast

thats not always how i pin people..i was just there..he shot and looked like he was tying to fly so i hooked him and threw it...lol...and it was like 6 and a half second...a kid from fair dale.. it started and then i pushed his head down, he went to his knees so i basically tackled him and he just layed there... he was so scared at the beginning that he did not even start right his foot was off the line and he was leaning way back...it was so funny...but the person who does ranking needs to put bebop on there...he won king of the bluegrass....also the guy who placed second.. i forgot his name.. i beat in 37 seconds...it  sucked cause the brackets were messed up...

There is nothing quite like a cocky Freshman tooting his own horn.

Two people that look like they should be ranked alot higher are Oldham's 215 [wow. He is one of the fastest 215's i've ever seen] and the 171 from JH.

Ichiro Chiba? He is pretty quick

I thought he was gonna ware Derek down. He was hitting some pretty deep shots but never finished. I think that would be an amazing state finals match. Definately the match of the night in my opinion. Or at least the best finals match of the night.

Chiba's power was no match for Derek's technique and that was proven by Derek's early 2nd period pin.  Chiba has improved tremendously and with a little better conditioning he will be tough.  It is not a stretch to say he is top 8 at the 215 weight class and in fact I think he is.  He does have a very good blast double, but needs to develop a little more than just a power game.  Other wrestlers at the Lonesome who impressed me were Alex Murphy (112 from John Hardin) & Ricky Wright (145 from Seneca).  They both looked very good for this early in the season.

215 could have been a way better finals match if Chiba didn't ware down immediately after the first period. He was so tired looking, he didn't even have a prayer once he was on bottom.

this Alex Murphy kid seems to be really good he beat Ross and i think he come do something at state this year

Alex Murphy is very talented and will make some noise in the near future.  He has a strong work ethic and has been working hard since last year to get better.  Alex and his older brother Jordan have spent many weekends in Ohio over the summer at camps getting ready for this season.  Looks like its already paying off.  :wink: 

Murphy did have a great tournament, but in my opinion Frasier didn't look very impressive at lonesome. He was very slow and out of shape, he seemed to struggle with every opponent. He didn't look like the #2 kid    in the state or anywhere close to it. Murphy would have had a lot of trouble with some other highly ranked  112s like Dan Smith or Jeff Warra.               

Murphy did have a great tournament, but in my opinion Frasier didn't look very impressive at lonesome. He was very slow and out of shape, he seemed to struggle with every opponent. He didn't look like the #2 kid    in the state or anywhere close to it. Murphy would have had a lot of trouble with some other highly ranked  112s like Dan Smith or Jeff Warra.               

For not even being ranking :-o, I believe Murphy has beat'n all the bold, the schedule showed that John has wrestled those schools and I think his only lost was to Travis Sullivan.

He'll wrestle:11,12,15 next weekend at the Region 2 duals.

DEC. 22, Central Hardin Bruin Duals, John will match up against: Trinity, Union County

Fairdale, Meade County, Moore.

Time will tell if he is for real or a pretender, he may even have trouble with Smith or Warra senior/junior; but then again he is only an 8th grader.

Maybe, ranger ranks him 16th Wednesday.  If he wins out this weekend, then he can jump to 7th :roll:

1  Way Co  Travis Sullivan  12

2  Mon Co  Ross Carpenter-Fraser  12

3  Tri  Dan Smith  12

4  Sen  Jeff Warra  11

8  Ryle  Michael Osbourne  10

11  NH  Coty Wood  11

12  Lar Co  Joey Henderson  10

15  CH  Kyle Terry    9

22  Laf  Jimmy Lacy    9

23  Whit Co  Duncan Caddell    9

he did not beat osbourne. he got beat 9-4.

he did not beat osbourne. he got beat 9-4.

See I was mistaken, if he wins out this weekend he can be top ten :-D.

My apologies to 8  Ryle Michael Osbourne  10 for the error :wink:

as noted he is only a 8th grader who only started wrestling last year.  You have to remember kids at this age with this little experience can look great one week and awful the next.  give the kid some time. and i think all anklepick was saying he was able to get to this point was because he worked so hard over the summer.

because the kid he is ranked behind is a two time state champion and returning state champion in that weight class.  not to mention he is freakin' awsome.

No offense to Ervin (he is a beast), but ditto.  I expect an awesome showdown in Frankfort.  One for the ages.

ranger.

Looking at your rankings I assume you use a different criteria to rank dual teams. In the regular rankings you base it on points scored at state.  Do you base your dual rankings on what you think is going to happen in the individual matchups?

Exactly.  I spent a little time looking at the dual matchups, but honestly not as much as I would have liked (I do have to work sometimes).  So I made some predictions on pins, techs, majors, and wins.

Exactly.  I spent a little time looking at the dual matchups, but honestly not as much as I would have liked (I do have to work sometimes).  So I made some predictions on pins, techs, majors, and wins.

Ranger, you're the man. I have no idea how you do all these calculations. My math homework took me about an hour the other night and the exponents aren't even divisible by tech-falls or pins.  :-D. I hope everyone appreciates how much time you put into these.

See I was mistaken, if he wins out this weekend he can be top ten :-D.

My apologies to 8  Ryle Michael Osbourne  10 for the error :wink:

How is he going to jump right over #10 Daniel Wiexler FC.  Wex just beat the #11 North Hardin kid in the finals of the KOB.  good match ended in OT.

Henderson County placed above Fort Knox at the Orange and Black tournament. THey actually placed second behing Brentwood Academy in a 13 team tournament. Fort Campbell was there also. 46 may be a little low, but 24 for Fort Knox seems to be a huge mistake unless they are just missing alot of key guys. Their heavyweight wrestled Brentwoods heavy weight in the finals. Thought it would be a better match. Brentwood dominated. That 15 year old 285 pound beast was mean! Lets just see how the year shapes up. Should be interesting.................. :-D

colonelcoach2007,

Rangers predictions are based on STATE results. You get major points for state champions ex. Anothony Bailey and not to mention another state placer in the line up.

It is hard to rank teams right now.  The biggest thing to realize is that most teams do not have thier full line-up or guys at proper wts.  We now know how wrestling teams feel with good football teams.  With Central winning state, we will not have all the guys back until next week.  We have been wrestling with 50% of the team.  That is not to mention the new guys that will come out off of the football team that will contribute.

Bailey will score more points himself for Ft. Knox than most the state qualifiers for henderson will score. Bryce Alexander will contribute but not enough to make up for Bailey's scores. And Brentwood is in Tennessee so it wont matter how much a beast that guy is, Bailey wont see him at state.

Donnell Davis beat the Andrew Mitchell of South Oldham at Ryle this weekend.

Was Davis in the finals vs Ervin? Who won the finals of 145?? Thats a pretty good victory for Donnell

Donnell wrestled well in the finals but lost to Ervin 4-2. it was 2-2 going into the third.

Oh, thats a great match.. Donnell should be ranked alot higher.. Does he plan on dropping to 140? :mrgreen:

why isnt' dc evans ranked from whitley, he beat vinsant from wayne and has only lost one match which was to shawn johnson from lafayette who took fifth at 103 last year

why isnt' dc evans ranked from whitley, he beat vinsant from wayne and has only lost one match which was to shawn johnson from lafayette who took fifth at 103 last year

check your facts evans is ranked 4th at 119

Oh, thats a great match.. Donnell should be ranked alot higher.. Does he plan on dropping to 140? :mrgreen:

He was at 140 at Tates Creek last week.  Not sure, but the weight loss may have affected him, because he didn't appear to be at the top of his game.

Donnell is most likely going to be staying at 145.

Griggs TC beat #19 Cody Bruce and #20 Robert Lange at 189. and Steven Kimbrell beat #16 Aretakis NO and #22 Geralds Chr Co at 140

Griggs TC beat #19 Cody Bruce and #20 Robert Lange at 189. and Steven Kimbrell beat #16 Aretakis NO and #22 Geralds Chr Co at 140

Steven Kimbrell wrestled Austin Jones not Robert Geralds

Steven Kimbrell wrestled Austin Jones not Robert Geralds

my bad i thought they wrestled

Donnell is most likely going to be staying at 145.

not to say you're wrong or anything, im actually asking sense you seem to go to dunbar, but i heard donnell was actually planning on cutting to 135, have these plans changed or something?

Kyle Proffitt and Sam Mitchell from caldwell county are not wrestling any more.

Kyle Proffitt and Sam Mitchell from caldwell county are not wrestling any more.

How Come?

ryan dillon (ranked number 3 in the state at the 152 pound class) got beat last saturday by an UNRANKED......FRESHMAN from ryle!!!!!

ryan dillon (ranked number 3 in the state at the 152 pound class) got beat last saturday by an UNRANKED......FRESHMAN from ryle!!!!!

I am going to use your screen name and the way you phrased that that you are that unranked wrestler?

ryan dillon (ranked number 3 in the state at the 152 pound class) got beat last saturday by an UNRANKED......FRESHMAN from ryle!!!!!

Also from the results of the raider rumble i see on the Baumspage.com it shows Dillion forfeiting the first round and then getting pinned by the ryle kid are we sure it was ryan dillion??? nad why forfeit the first round

ryan dillon (ranked number 3 in the state at the 152 pound class) got beat last saturday by an UNRANKED......FRESHMAN from ryle!!!!!

Ah newcomers. These matches during the season there pretty important to some people. But the real champions prevail in the end.

Ah newcomers. These matches during the season there pretty important to some people. But the real champions prevail in the end.

I totally agree

Ah newcomers. These matches during the season there pretty important to some people. But the real champions prevail in the end.

Awww cut the kid a break. If he really beat Dillon than let him have his moment. That's like saying some eighth grader beat Wolsiefer. It may not have been worth any championship or award but he would probably be sittin' on cloud nine for a while. Good job to you. Just don't let it go to your head. :mrgreen:

WHAT...an eighth grader beat Wolsiefer???  I missed that one. lol :-D

WHAT...an eighth grader beat Wolsiefer???  I missed that one. lol :-D

Ya didn't you see the results posted on the link. :-o  It was one heck of a battle, Johnny made one mistake and that was it. :wink:  Go check the Fern Creek results, heck I should have just cut and pasted.

How Come?

They both quit for personal reasons.

Ah newcomers. These matches during the season there pretty important to some people. But the real champions prevail in the end.

Ranger 123,

      Thanks once again for putting out the rankings every year.  It is getting to the point I don't even look at the KWCA page anymore because it takes them so long to update their website.  I know keeping current with all the new kids coming out and which weights to put kids is an insane task. Also, once you put all of this together then people want to pick it apart.  Just letting you know how much I appreciate it.  One last thing for all you highschool kids.  Let all of us old wrestlers debate these rankings.  Our time is done yours is know come the second week of February rankings won't mean a thing.  Good Luck to all.

once again i am going to ask since no one ansered, is donnell davis not planning on cutting to 135 anymore?

once again i am going to ask since no one ansered, is donnell davis not planning on cutting to 135 anymore?

I can't imagine he would.  I saw him at 140 at Tates Creek a few weeks ago and he looked pretty tired.  Maybe cutting weight wasn't the reason, but he didn't look like the strong guy I have seen in the past.  Shortly after that he went up to 145.  I now hear he is planning to go back to 140.  Maybe 142 won't be as bad, but I would be very surprised to see him at 135 or 137.

I can't imagine he would.  I saw him at 140 at Tates Creek a few weeks ago and he looked pretty tired.  Maybe cutting weight wasn't the reason, but he didn't look like the strong guy I have seen in the past.  Shortly after that he went up to 145.  I now hear he is planning to go back to 140.  Maybe 142 won't be as bad, but I would be very surprised to see him at 135 or 137.

yeah i was thinking the same thing, i think he should stay at 40, i mean he is still probably one of if not the strongest 40 anyway. technique wise though, that may be a different story. i guess we'll see.