Who would win if they met at 165 pounds?

Spell John's name right!!

Reid can barely make 171 as it is. He'd never see 165, and I believe John weighs in the 150's. Pound for pound, John is better, IMO.

What if we put John on a diet and had him drop to 112 to wrestle Sullivan. Would he pin Sullivan in the 1st of 2nd period?

He's not a big 171 really, but if you wanna be like that about it, then mosts of these posts on here are pointless, the rankings dont make a difference and half the ppl we talk about on here will never wrestle, this site was made to talk about stuff like this so just chill out.

wc wrestler I don;t know who u are, But u sound like a mean sock elf!  maybe u need to chill out.  I think wolsifer would win, but after reid's good performance at the beast who knows!

wc wrestler if it so crappy, why do you bother getting on here? :roll:

wc wrestler if it so crappy, why do you bother getting on here? :roll:

He never said the site was crappy. He just said half the posts on here by people are pointless and it's true they are.

Spell John's name right!!

Reid can barely make 171 as it is. He'd never see 165, and I believe John weighs in the 150's. Pound for pound, John is better, IMO.

What if we put John on a diet and had him drop to 112 to wrestle Sullivan. Would he pin Sullivan in the 1st of 2nd period?

yes when we dualed them i was talking to one of their assit. coaches and i he was laughing saying ried would be allowed to go 160 if he wanted to..he seemned like it wouldn't be a hard drop either....I think if reid wants to go out on top (even more) he needs to drop to 160 if still allowed and beat Johnny for the title

That would be a sweet match

both of these guys are great wrestlers, but honestly, i havent seen anyone who wrestles with the intensity of John W. He has his mind in the game no matter what no matter where. The question that should be asked is how would John W. beat Mason?

Not to offend anyone ,but Wolsifer is in a class above Reid, now dont get me wrong because Reid is also in a class above most highschool wrestlers. 10 out of 10 matches and Johnny gets the W.

Reid doesn't seem to be dominating kentucky wrestlers he only beat neal of sk 5-2

Wolsifier dominates every opponent it seems like

Reid doesn't seem to be dominating kentucky wrestlers he only beat neal of sk 5-2

Wolsifier dominates every opponent it seems like

Not really. He only beat Wheeler by one point last year at state, and Choate by 4 at state. And what has he accomplished this year? Reid took 6th at Beast of the East, what has Wolsiefer done at national tournaments? Reid stuck the #2 kid as well. I think Wolsiefer used to be the best wrestler in the state, but not anymore. A few people have passed him up.

Maybe Wolseifer will bump up a weight class at the Dragon Invitational this year & wrestle 171.  Ryle will also be there, so there you have it, Johnny vs. Mason in the finals of the Dragon.  That would be fun to see, but it's probably not going to happen.

I see John running from Mitch until state.

Reid doesn't seem to be dominating Kentucky wrestlers he only beat neal of sk 5-2

Wolsifier dominates every opponent it seems like

Wow I guess Brownfield from Campbell Co. and Brad Hitchings must really be average wrestlers because Reid pinned both of them. 

Lets not base our opinion on one match.  :evil:

Reid pinned the kid from trinity and cambell i believe both in under a minute and if not that i know it was in the first period so i doubt wolsiefer is really as good as him even though i have never seen wolsiefer wrestle. Also I think the only reason reid only beat neal 5 to 2 is because neal had wrestled him so many times that he knew what he was going to do.

Reid pinned the kid from trinity and cambell i believe both in under a minute and if not that i know it was in the first period so i doubt wolsiefer is really as good as him even though i have never seen wolsiefer wrestle. Also I think the only reason reid only beat neal 5 to 2 is because neal had wrestled him so many times that he knew what he was going to do.

Bernie, do you really expect people to value your opinion regarding the better wrestler, Reid or Wolsiefer, when you admit you have never even seen Wolsiefer wrestle?

Wolsifier is not dominant in his weight class like Reid

Let's not be naive here. Reid may have pinned the Trinity kid and the Campbell kid, but pins don't prove a wrestler's dominance over his competition. In any given match a good wrestler can put himself in a bad position and get stuck, so pins should never be the make-or-break statistic. I have watched both wrestlers more than once, and I have to say that I have never seen Wolseifer put himself in a position to possibly lose a match. No one has even challenged him ( meaning he has been in control of every match) since Jairus Murton graduated. He might have only beat Choate by 4 in the finals last year, but John was never in danger of losing the bout. Wolseifer is the better wrestler. I don't mean to take anything away from Mason, but pound for pound, Wolseifer has him beat.

Let's not be naive here. Reid may have pinned the Trinity kid and the Campbell kid, but pins don't prove a wrestler's dominance over his competition. In any given match a good wrestler can put himself in a bad position and get stuck, so pins should never be the make-or-break statistic. I have watched both wrestlers more than once, and I have to say that I have never seen Wolseifer put himself in a position to possibly lose a match. No one has even challenged him ( meaning he has been in control of every match) since Jairus Murton graduated. He might have only beat Choate by 4 in the finals last year, but John was never in danger of losing the bout. Wolseifer is the better wrestler. I don't mean to take anything away from Mason, but pound for pound, Wolseifer has him beat.

That isn't the point. Nobody is giving him this reverence just because of the two falls over Hitchings and Brownfield. They are doing it because of a combination of those wins coupled with his performance at beast. Reid, Sullivan, and Courtney will be the most dominant wrestlers this year in Kentucky. I thought Johnny would have his work cut out for him with at least Ervin standing between him and his third title. Now that he has a hurt leg I definitely think it's withen the realm of possibility that Johnny might not even make finals if he is hit with one of the top 160's when state rolls around.

Let's not be naive here. Reid may have pinned the Trinity kid and the Campbell kid, but pins don't prove a wrestler's dominance over his competition. In any given match a good wrestler can put himself in a bad position and get stuck, so pins should never be the make-or-break statistic. I have watched both wrestlers more than once, and I have to say that I have never seen Wolseifer put himself in a position to possibly lose a match. No one has even challenged him ( meaning he has been in control of every match) since Jairus Murton graduated.

It looked like he was going to lose to Wheeler from Larue in the second match at state. One point match.

Cooper gave him a match the first time he won state.

Cooper gave him a match the first time he won state.

lol...that was 2 years ago.  Sorry, don't see where that matters at all.  As far as the Wheeler match goes, anyone watching that match knows that the ref had a LOT to do with that match being close.  Sorry, but that's the truth.  Todd "Center Stage" Cole.....aka "Prime Time" was at his best.

Lil...that was 2 years ago.  Sorry, don't see where that matters at all.  As far as the Wheeler match goes, anyone watching that match knows that the ref had a LOT to do with that match being close.  Sorry, but that's the truth.  Todd "Center Stage" Cole.....aka "Prime Time" was at his best.

Wow some sour feelings against Cole here?  I for one believe he may be one of the top 2-5 in the state.  Barnett being the only one for sure above him.

wolsiefer was in danger of loosing the weiler match last year

Wolseifer is a tough kid. He may not face off with Ervin until state. maybe that is a good strategy. Mind games...I know of more than one teams that dodges until state, or if they get the win, avoid that wrestler until state. It is just something that is done. Smart yes, but doesnt make for an exciting year.

John isn't running from Ervin or anything like that, just circumstances haven't worked out.

Also, the Wolsiefer/Wheeler match wouldn't have been half as close as it was if it wasn't for the ref, seriously. If you didn't watch the match and you just think the ref was good, think again, he was horrible for that match.

John isn't running from Ervin or anything like that, just circumstances haven't worked out.

Also, the Wolsiefer/Wheeler match wouldn't have been half as close as it was if it wasn't for the ref, seriously. If you didn't watch the match and you just think the ref was good, think again, he was horrible for that match.

Folks -  Wolsiefer vs. Wheeler was a year ago, it doesn't matter anymore.

This is a new year, Wolsiefer vs. Ervin will be a great match, in the Qts, Semi or hopefully in the finals.

Yes, they are the best two in the weigh class.  :-P

Injuries, stitches, head wraps, face mask, body armor it doesn't matter it will be a get 160 match.

I'm starting to agree with others, we aren't finding anything positive to discuss: ONLY blame the referee's or some other scheme to created controversy, he was injured, he was ducking him.

Come on folks lets find something more positive than finding fault or causing more drama for these high school kids.

I think they have enough pressure from over zealous parents and coaches for us to add fuel to the fire. :evil:

Wow some sour feelings against Cole here?  I for one believe he may be one of the top 2-5 in the state.  Barnett being the only one for sure above him.

Not at all, I like him a lot and think he is a great ref.  I totally agree he is top 2-5 in the state.  His ONLY reffing flaw he has in my opinion.....let's just say he has a knack for making matches dramatic.  For example, if it's a 1 point match....he will call a stalling call quicker, or he will award a point for escape quicker than usual.  If you do not know what I'm talking about, then maybe you just don't see it.  I know other people who feel the same way and have discussed this with him.  In the Wheeler match, it seemed like he was getting very tick-tacky with Johnny...i beleive he was called for 2 points for false start or not lining up right.  There were also some very close calls on takedowns near out of bounds, and Todd seemed to be favoring the underdog.  

penguinskillkids said it exactly as i seen it.  It really didn't look like a close match other than a few bad calls seemed to make it close.

Folks -  Wolsiefer vs. Wheeler was a year ago, it doesn't matter anymore.

This is a new year, Wolsiefer vs. Ervin will be a great match, in the Qts, Semi or hopefully in the finals.

Yes, they are the best two in the weigh class.  :-P

Injuries, stitches, head wraps, face mask, body armor it doesn't matter it will be a get 160 match.

I'm starting to agree with others, we aren't finding anything positive to discuss: ONLY blame the referee's or some other scheme to created controversy, he was injured, he was ducking him.

Come on folks lets find something more positive than finding fault or causing more drama for these high school kids.

I think they have enough pressure from over zealous parents and coaches for us to add fuel to the fire. :evil:

FUI, I'm referring to all kids with over zealous parents, coaches and or critics.

I know two of the three parents and they are great providers and role models, the other parents probably are as well.

I didn't want it to come across as an attack on any family. :-D

Let me add to the drama,John W. hopped out of practice on one leg today and the seriousness of the injury is unknown. Ankle

johhny has been very impressive over the past three yrs but in the finals at the KOB before he injured his ankle he was not as impressive as yrs before.

johhny has been very impressive over the past three yrs but in the finals at the KOB before he injured his ankle he was not as impressive as yrs before.

Thats OK Johnny will pull a Monty Python and cut of his leg and beat his opponents.

Thats OK Johnny will pull a Monty Python and cut of his leg and beat his opponents.

lol that was good