let's hear some predictions for this tourney this weekend

What teams will be there? The season schedule lists: Caldwell, Central, Christian, Manual, Eastern, Ferncreek, KCD, Moore, Oldham, Trinity, and Western Hills.

I know that North Hardin, Union, PRP, Southern, Iroquois, Doss, Fairdale, and Holmes were there as well last year.

Looks like Region 3 has something going on this weekend so PRP, Southern, Iroquois, Doss, Fairdale wont be there. N.Oldham is at the 5 Star, North Hardin is at Woodford, and Holmes is wrestling up in Ohio.

103- Myron Bradbury (Tri) pins who ever makes it

112- Dan Smith (Tri) dec. Dee Leavell (Chr Co)

119- Sean Gillespie(Tri)/ Shawn Cook (Moore) good match, who knows

125- Dustin Thomas (Chr Co) m dec. Zachary Michael (Moore)

130- Trey Morlatt (Old Co) dec. Grant Ohlman (Tri)

135- Justin Davis (Eas) m dec. Derek Branch (FC)

140- John Thomas (Cen) dec. Kenny Watkins (Tri)

145- Ryan Clark (Eas) dec. Steve Willbanks (Moore) if Ben Barger not back yet

152- Mikal McNeely (Eas) dec. Cody Mann (FC)

160- James Schneider (Moore) m dec. Phil Harrison (Eas)

171- Brad Hitchings (Tri) dec. Ethan Dunn (Moore)

189- Josh Lewis (Tri) dec. Kyle Hardin (FC)

215- Ichiro Chiba (Old Co) dec. Ryondrae Wesley (Cen)

285- Jordan Whiting (Tri) dec. Derek Farley (Moore)

103- Myron Bradbury (Tri) pins who ever makes it

112- Dan Smith (Tri) dec. Dee Leavell (Chr Co)

119- Sean Gillespie(Tri)/ Shawn Cook (Moore) good match, who knows

125- Dustin Thomas (Chr Co) m dec. Zachary Michael (Moore)

130- Trey Morlatt (Old Co) dec. Grant Ohlman (Tri)

135- Justin Davis (Eas) m dec. Derek Branch (FC)

140- John Thomas (Cen) dec. Kenny Watkins (Tri)

145- Ryan Clark (Eas) dec. Steve Willbanks (Moore) if Ben Barger not back yet

152- Mikal McNeely (Eas) dec. Cody Mann (FC)

160- James Schneider (Moore) m dec. Phil Harrison (Eas)

171- Brad Hitchings (Tri) dec. Ethan Dunn (Moore)

189- Josh Lewis (Tri) dec. Kyle Hardin (FC)

215- Ichiro Chiba (Old Co) dec. Ryondrae Wesley (Cen)

285- Jordan Whiting (Tri) dec. Derek Farley (Moore)

Yeah I don't think that Josh will recover quite that quick. 

Its funny you have put yourself in the finals in all these tournaments but I don't think you have even made the semifinals in any of them...Wish ful thinking? 

103- Myron Bradbury (Tri) pins who ever makes it

112- Dan Smith (Tri) dec. Dee Leavell (Chr Co)

119- Sean Gillespie(Tri)/ Shawn Cook (Moore) good match, who knows

125- Dustin Thomas (Chr Co) m dec. Zachary Michael (Moore)

130- Trey Morlatt (Old Co) dec. Grant Ohlman (Tri)

135- Justin Davis (Eas) m dec. Derek Branch (FC)

140- John Thomas (Cen) dec. Kenny Watkins (Tri)

145- Ryan Clark (Eas) dec. Steve Willbanks (Moore) if Ben Barger not back yet

152- Mikal McNeely (Eas) dec. Cody Mann (FC)

160- James Schneider (Moore) m dec. Phil Harrison (Eas)

171- Brad Hitchings (Tri) dec. Ethan Dunn (Moore)

189- Josh Lewis (Tri) dec. Kyle Hardin (FC)

215- Ichiro Chiba (Old Co) dec. Ryondrae Wesley (Cen)

285- Jordan Whiting (Tri) dec. Derek Farley (Moore)

Union County was there last year, does anyone know if they'll be there again?

Looks like they are going to Nashville based on their calendar.

they won't be, they are in another tournament the 11-12.

Sean Gillespie won't make it to the finals

Its funny you have put yourself in the finals in all these tournaments but I don't think you have even made the semifinals in any of them...Wish ful thinking? 

well that JCTC i beat the guys that toke 2nd and 3rd but i didnt this time lost to 3rd my 2 then trinity put me out by one point but o well.

And as for Big East i dont know of any other guys that are going to be there so.

Yeah I don't think that Josh will recover quite that quick. 

i hope hes ok

103- Myron Bradbury (Tri) pins who ever makes it

112- Dan Smith (Tri) dec. Dee Leavell (Chr Co)

119- Sean Gillespie(Tri)/ Shawn Cook (Moore) good match, who knows

125- Dustin Thomas (Chr Co) m dec. Zachary Michael (Moore)

130- Trey Morlatt (Old Co) dec. Grant Ohlman (Tri)

135- Justin Davis (Eas) m dec. Derek Branch (FC)

140- John Thomas (Cen) dec. Kenny Watkins (Tri)

145- Ryan Clark (Eas) dec. Steve Willbanks (Moore) if Ben Barger not back yet

152- Mikal McNeely (Eas) dec. Cody Mann (FC)

160- James Schneider (Moore) m dec. Phil Harrison (Eas)

171- Brad Hitchings (Tri) dec. Ethan Dunn (Moore)

189- Josh Lewis (Tri) dec. Kyle Hardin (FC)

215- Ichiro Chiba (Old Co) dec. Ryondrae Wesley (Cen)

285- Jordan Whiting (Tri) dec. Derek Farley (Moore)

what bout skinner he is lookin deascent this season

I dont think skinner can upset ohlmann or morlatt but if he has improved alot, i havent seen him yet this year, then he could be in the finals at the big east.

u never kno what happens on the mat

but nothing is decided on paper

I wouldn'y say it's out of the question that Skinner could beat a slipping Morlatt in the semifinals

103- Myron Bradbury (Tri) pins who ever makes it

112- Dan Smith (Tri) dec. Dee Leavell (Chr Co)

119- Sean Gillespie(Tri)/ Shawn Cook (Moore) good match, who knows

125- Dustin Thomas (Chr Co) m dec. Zachary Michael (Moore)

<b>130- Grant Ohlman (Tri) dec. Trey Morlatt  (Oldham Co)</b>

135- Justin Davis (Eas) m dec. Derek Branch (FC)

140- John Thomas (Cen) dec. Kenny Watkins (Tri)

145- Ryan Clark (Eas) dec. Steve Willbanks (Moore) if Ben Barger not back yet

152- Mikal McNeely (Eas) dec. Cody Mann (FC)

160- James Schneider (Moore) m dec. Phil Harrison (Eas)

171- Brad Hitchings (Tri) dec. Ethan Dunn (Moore)

189- Josh Lewis (Tri) dec. Kyle Hardin (FC)

215- Ichiro Chiba (Old Co) dec. Ryondrae Wesley (Cen)

285- Jordan Whiting (Tri) dec. Derek Farley (Moore)

trey morlatt will lose in the finals, heck, if he even makes it to the finals, he looks terrible.

103- Myron Bradbury (Tri) pins who ever makes it

112- Dan Smith (Tri) dec. Dee Leavell (Chr Co)

119- Sean Gillespie(Tri)/ Shawn Cook (Moore) good match, who knows

125- Dustin Thomas (Chr Co) m dec. Zachary Michael (Moore)

130- Grant Ohlman (Tri) dec. Trey Morlatt  (Oldham Co)

135- Justin Davis (Eas) m dec. Derek Branch (FC)

140- John Thomas (Cen) dec. Kenny Watkins (Tri)

145- Ryan Clark (Eas) dec. Steve Willbanks (Moore) if Ben Barger not back yet

152- Mikal McNeely (Eas) dec. Cody Mann (FC)

160- James Schneider (Moore) m dec. Phil Harrison (Eas)

171- Brad Hitchings (Tri) dec. Ethan Dunn (Moore)

189- Kyle Hardin (FC) dec. Mark Payne (Chr Co)

215- Ichiro Chiba (Old Co) dec. Ryondrae Wesley (Cen)

285- Jordan Whiting (Tri) dec. Derek Farley (Moore)

Should be a good match between the #8 and #11 ranked kids.

trey morlatt will lose in the finals, heck, if he even makes it to the finals, he looks terrible.

i think Morlatt is just going through a bad slump but will pick it up soon

me to morlatt is a heck of a wrestler

103- Myron Bradbury (Tri) pins who ever makes it

I don't know about Bradbury pinning everyone(then again I know nothing about the bracket) because he didn't look so great at the TOC.  He will definitely place in the top 3 at 103 but he has been beaten (by Elam(yes I know there was a controversial call that took it into overtime)).  Only once though.

I don't know about Bradbury pinning everyone(then again I know nothing about the bracket) because he didn't look so great at the TOC.  He will definitely place in the top 3 at 103 but he has been beaten (by Elam(yes I know there was a controversial call that took it into overtime)).  Only once though.

I don't know about Bradbury pinning everyone(then again I know nothing about the bracket) because he didn't look so great at the TOC.  He will definitely place in the top 3 at 103 but he has been beaten (by Elam(yes I know there was a controversial call that took it into overtime)).  Only once though.

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After researching who will be at the Big East I have concluded that Bradbury will ...........................................probably pin everyone in the first three minutes.  I still maintain that he is beatable though. 

Yeah he will dominate this tournament.  He may win bigger ones with better compitition in the lower weights.  But it will all be laid out during state.  Only place to determine who is the best. 

Yeah he will dominate this tournament.  He may win bigger ones with better compitition in the lower weights.  But it will all be laid out during state.  Only place to determine who is the best. 

103- Bradbury (T) pin Rupp (East)

112- Smith (T) Dec Leavell (Christian)

119- Wiexler (FC) moves up to a week weight and M.Dec Gillespie (T)

125- Thomas (Christian) M.Dec Michael (Moore)

130- Olhman (T) Dec Morlett (Oldham)

135- Davis (East) Dec Barton (T)

140- Thomas (Cen) Dec Watkins (T)

145- Barger (FC) pin Clark (East)

152- Mann (FC) Dec McNeely (East)

160- Schneider (Moore) Pin Whatley (T)

171- Hitchings (T) M. Dec Dunn (Moore)

189- Hardin (FC) Dec Tenneyson (Cent)

215- Chiba (Old) Dec Wesley (Cent)

285- Whiting (T) Dec Farley (Moore)

i would think that weixler would want some pay back with smith. I still think smith is a better wrestler but I think that weixler oculd have wrestled a lot better than he did at Jefferson county.

i would think that weixler would want some pay back with smith. I still think smith is a better wrestler but I think that weixler oculd have wrestled a lot better than he did at Jefferson county.

I think  :mrgreen: will de-bow Smith when they meet again.

We should see this weekend.

We should see this weekend.

So if Union is not coming, who actually is?

I thought this tournament was run very well this year and it moved very quickly.  Congrats to Eastern for executing it so well!

My favorite moment was Cataan tripping backwards over Dan Smith...  :-D

I thought this tournament was run very well this year and it moved very quickly.  Congrats to Eastern for executing it so well!

My favorite moment was Cataan tripping backwards over Dan Smith...  :-D

Agree on all counts.  I hope someone can put that on youtube.  It was hilarious and couldn't have happened to a better guy.

I thought it was a very weak tournament and very sporadic from year to year, but Cattan falling is a good day anytime.

any one have that on tape?

i see no Joaquin Luna?? was he there and what did he look like if he was there?

i see no Joaquin Luna?? was he there and what did he look like if he was there?

He was there.  wrestled for 3rd and 4th.  I don't know if he won though

who beat him?? and when he lost did he have a melt down?

I didn't see either, (melt down or who beat him)

who beat him?? and when he lost did he have a melt down?

Lost to the guy who got first from Christian County.  Didn't have a meltdown.  It went to overtime.  He looked out of shape but lasted until OT so how out of shape could he be.  Not bad for the first time out.

Lost to the guy who got first from Christian County.  Didn't have a meltdown.  It went to overtime.  He looked out of shape but lasted until OT so how out of shape could he be.  Not bad for the first time out.

Dustin Thomas Chr Co beat him in OT in the second round, putting Luna in the 5th and 6th place bracket.

Luna took 5th only losing to Thomas in OT

Luna took 5th only losing to Thomas in OT

did i misunderstand you? how can you lose only one match and end up w/5th. You cant even do that at state!

well that JCTC i beat the guys that toke 2nd and 3rd but i didnt this time lost to 3rd my 2 then trinity put me out by one point but o well.

And as for Big East i dont know of any other guys that are going to be there so.

I quoted my self instead of editing? whats the deal-eee-yo yo?

yes but if you look theres not going to be not ranked kids there but someone at the every bottum

Grammar class anyone? My God...

Ok. Sorry for obliterating this thread by pointing out others grammar, or lack thereof, and this shall be my last post on this thread. (Until someone replys w/info regarding my next question)

What happened with the Morlatt nonsense? How did he do?

Morlatt did not wrestle. Luna took 5th because anyone who lost in the 1st round the best they could do was to wrestle back for 7th. If you lost in the 2nd round the best they could do was wrestle back for 5th, hence the best Luna could do was 5th after his loss to Thomas.

On another note my only problem was the seeding. At 285 Croney was seeded 6th even though he had pinned the 2nd seed. That worked out in the end. At 152 Cory Armstrong was seeded 5th even though he was the only returning state placer in his weight class. This didn't work out as Mann defeated him in the semi's. My question: why bother to give seeding criteria if you are not going to follow the criteria?

Morlatt did not wrestle. Luna took 5th because anyone who lost in the 1st round the best they could do was to wrestle back for 7th. If you lost in the 2nd round the best they could do was wrestle back for 5th, hence the best Luna could do was 5th after his loss to Thomas.

On another note my only problem was the seeding. At 285 Croney was seeded 6th even though he had pinned the 2nd seed. That worked out in the end. At 152 Cory Armstrong was seeded 5th even though he was the only returning state placer in his weight class. This didn't work out as Mann defeated him in the semi's. My question: why bother to give seeding criteria if you are not going to follow the criteria?

Anybody know why morlatt didnt wrestle?

the seedings are always a mess but i really think that it doesnt matter except in the case of a tournament like this where all you can do is wrestle back for x place. Otherwise the best wrestler will win the tournament.

That's the reason this tournament is bull.  If you have 12 teams there is no way it should be set up to lose first match and only get 7th places.  There were some weight classes where someone lost the first match and they were done for the day because there weren't any other first round matches and so there was noone to wrestle for 7-8th.  This is one reason it went quick because there was noone who had more than 4 matches and most only had 2-3 i would say.

Anybody know why morlatt didnt wrestle?

the seedings are always a mess but i really think that it doesnt matter except in the case of a tournament like this where all you can do is wrestle back for x place. Otherwise the best wrestler will win the tournament.

That's the reason this tournament is bull.  If you have 12 teams there is no way it should be set up to lose first match and only get 7th places.  There were some weight classes where someone lost the first match and they were done for the day because there weren't any other first round matches and so there was noone to wrestle for 7-8th.  This is one reason it went quick because there was noone who had more than 4 matches and most only had 2-3 i would say.

Every year it just gets worse and worse.  it used to be a really good tournament.

"The Big Easy"

This was the worst year yet for the Big East.  The good thing was we were done very early (would have been earlier if we didn't have the 45 minute delay when Josh Lewis dislocated his arm).

The best highlight of the tournament for me was a very close match between Smith and Wiexler (Wiexler really wanted this one) and Cattan looking like an idiot because he was so emotional about a dramatic call he just made he wasn't watching where he was going.  Smith had already gotten in position in the center circle and Cattan walked backwards and fell right on his @$$ after tripping over Smith.

(would have been earlier if we didn't have the 45 minute delay when Josh Lewis dislocated his arm).

That was Jefferson Co

oops you're right.  I'll fix it.

oops you're right.  I'll fix it.

I know. my son was the one wrestling him at the time.

I know. my son was the one wrestling him at the time.

I'm sure he felt bad but it wasn't his fault.  It was just one of those freak things that happen in a physical sport.  There is actually some hope that Josh will be back for Regionals, if you can believe that.

That's the reason this tournament is bull.  If you have 12 teams there is no way it should be set up to lose first match and only get 7th places.  There were some weight classes where someone lost the first match and they were done for the day because there weren't any other first round matches and so there was noone to wrestle for 7-8th.  This is one reason it went quick because there was noone who had more than 4 matches and most only had 2-3 i would say.

We went to a tournament earlier in the season where you couldn't possibly place if you lost in the first round because you would have reached the maximum five before getting to a 5th/6th place match, much less a 3rd/4th place. There are lots of different ways to set up a tournament, and it's an art. Always, the way to avoid such problems is to win!

Every year it just gets worse and worse.  it used to be a really good tournament.

Yes, the Big East was small this year. However, last year, 2007, the Big East had 22 teams, including #1 Union County. The year before that it was 18 teams. The Big East is always run well, starts and finishes on time, and is in a location with a large enough gym for people to have room to sit and watch. So to say "every year it gets worse and worse" is unfair and simply untrue.

I think what OW meant was that it doesn't seem to be as high competition as in the past.  True last year was pretty good, but the previous year I don't think had as many competitive teams and then three years ago it was only about 9 teams.  He probably meant that the tournament format should have been adjusted to a standard 16 man bracket with only 11-12 teams instead of the way it was run if you have 22+ teams like in past years, it does make for a quick day when some kids only get 1-2 matches.

I would say the biggest problem would be for those individuals that only got one match. 

It is easy to say win and that will solve the problem.  However tournaments are sceduled so that kids get experience and are able to improve their wrestling.  I would definitely not send a team where they are only guaranteed one match.  You can have a dual meet for that.  Plus it would not take an entry fee do have a dual. 

I have heard many teams that no longer attend the Big East.  They claim that certain schools will be there and then they are not.  This has occurred many times in the past.

You are correct however when the tournament gets started it is run very smoothly.  The format, honesty in number of teams, and competition level is what is lacking in the last few years.

My problems with Big East (and thanks for defending me guys)

1.  Poorly run.

2.  They don't tell the truth about teams that are going to be there.

3.  The seedings, like the KWCA rankings are Bulls***.

4.  It consistently gets worse.

5.  They charge an arm and a leg.

OW I will agree with all but the 1st. 

I believe they run the tournament smoothly. Few delays and wrestling is non stop.  I just don't agree with the format.

OW I will agree with all but the 1st. 

I believe they run the tournament smoothly. Few delays and wrestling is non stop.  I just don't agree with the format.

Why do we agree so much?  That's like 9 posts now?????  :?

My problems with Big East (and thanks for defending me guys)

1.  Poorly run.

2.  They don't tell the truth about teams that are going to be there.

3.  The seedings, like the KWCA rankings are Bulls***.

4.  It consistently gets worse.

5.  They charge an arm and a leg.

Olympic Dream,

I think you are just a compulsive complainer and have no real basis for what you say!

1. It started on time aind finished on time!

2. Nobody lied about who was coming unless teams said they were coming and then backed out.

3. It seems like you don't agree with any seedings, the ones at the Big East or KWCA. (maybe you aren't ranked where you think you should be)

4. How many years have you been to Big East to base you criticism on anyway? Since your wrong about 1, 2, & 3 anyway number 4 doesn't count.

5. We have paid higher prices at othere tournaments so I hardly think you can say they charge an arm and a leg.

How many tournaments have you run yourself? Maybe you should give it a try before you criticiose!

I think more the reason he said it is poorly run is just due to the fact that several kids had one match or two at the most.  Our 140 drew Porter first match and gave him a good one, lost by a few and then had one match 6 hours later and won and was done.  That I would say is probably what everyone is referring to.  If it wasn't for the 45 minute rule that we had to wait for twice in the afternoon we would have been out by about 3, which is good if you got enough matches in.  I wouldn't say it consistently gets worse but rather it is very inconsisten from year to year.  If you took out Trinity this year it would have been a much closer tournament with all the other school that were there, but if you added in probably 2 more top 10 teams it also would have been closer overall.  Some years there are 20 teams,5-6 in the top 10 and other years there are only 8-9 teams. 

It has dropped off in the last few years. 

1. Debatable

2. Bulls***

3. not ranked, havent wrestled in years.  KWCA rankings are a joke, if you buy into them, then you must wrestle for Eastern.  Seedings were a joke.

4. 4 years.

5. Still too high.

I've run tournaments, dual and individual, so yes, i can criticize.

I think more the reason he said it is poorly run is just due to the fact that several kids had one match or two at the most.  Our 140 drew Porter first match and gave him a good one, lost by a few and then had one match 6 hours later and won and was done.  That I would say is probably what everyone is referring to.  If it wasn't for the 45 minute rule that we had to wait for twice in the afternoon we would have been out by about 3, which is good if you got enough matches in.   I wouldn't say it consistently gets worse but rather it is very inconsisten from year to year.  If you took out Trinity this year it would have been a much closer tournament with all the other school that were there, but if you added in probably 2 more top 10 teams it also would have been closer overall.  Some years there are 20 teams,5-6 in the top 10 and other years there are only 8-9 teams. 

I wonder how many of the Coaches knew the format before they agreed to attend a tournament that would allow your kid to wrestle twice with one win and one loss in 6 hours?

I am all for new formats for tournament to change it up in the hopes of getting more matches in less time, or smaller tournaments that end sooner, but the format used at the Big East seems to have only gotten everyone out of the gym early but with fewer matches.

I wonder if they charged the teams any less considering the fewer number of matches?

You never really know the format of the tournament because it depends on the year as well as the number of teams.  I believe it was four years ago there were only 7(or so) teams and we ended up doing duals against others instead of a tournament.  Last year there were 22-23 and it had to be run where you lose the first round you wrestled at best 7th place.  This is the same style of tournament that the Dragon Invitational is run (at least a couple years ago when I last attended) but they consistently have 18-22 teams.  We assumed since there were only going to be 11 teams (only 3 teams with 14 kids) that it would have been run as a normal 16 man bracket. 

I wonder how many of the Coaches knew the format before they agreed to attend a tournament that would allow your kid to wrestle twice with one win and one loss in 6 hours?

I am all for new formats for tournament to change it up in the hopes of getting more matches in less time, or smaller tournaments that end sooner, but the format used at the Big East seems to have only gotten everyone out of the gym early but with fewer matches.

I wonder if they charged the teams any less considering the fewer number of matches?

It has dropped off in the last few years. 

The tournament has one bad year and it gets all this crap for it. Last year as was said before this tournament had 22 teams which included Union County, Trinity, Fern Creek, and North Hardin

Olympic Wish,

You obviously just enjoy being offensive and critical of peoples hard work and don't think they should respond to your negative comments. It might not have occurred to you that your remarks were offensive to people who worked the Big East and tried to be gracious hosts. My mistake for thinking I could defend our school. And no I don't wrestle for Eastern I'm just a parent.

My bad Fern Creek was not there last year but North Oldham was.

Olympic Wish,

You obviously just enjoy being offensive and critical of peoples hard work and don't think they should respond to your negative comments. It might not have occurred to you that your remarks were offensive to people who worked the Big East and tried to be gracious hosts. My mistake for thinking I could defend our school. And no I don't wrestle for Eastern I'm just a parent.

Offensive and critical, your way of seeing it.  I think it was poorly run.  I think it charges too much.  I think if they didn't lie about the teams, they mislead people about the teams.  Defend your school all you want, i've been defending mine _for years_ and will continue to do so.  Good for you for helping out, and I hope that you take the criticism from me and the other # of people here and make it a better tournament next year.

My bad Fern Creek was not there last year but North Oldham was.

Yes we were, this year we opted out to goto 5 star.  The reason I, as a coach say it dropped off was because I could not get a consistent answer weeks before of who was going to be present.  I enjoyed the tournament in the past, and looked forward to it this year.  However no one would respond to my emails asking what teams were going to be there.  It has been a great tourney in the past, and one down year or two won't hurt it.