Topic ID: 3196 | 39 Posts
So some regions are done. The coaches only seed Regional Champions, so some good teams get drawn in.
What are people's predictions?
And can someone fill in a list of winners/ runner up from each Region
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5 South Oldham, 2nd- North Oldham
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Seed List: South Oldham
Drawn In: North Oldham
region 6 - Campbell County 1st and Ryle 2nd
So do they seed the top 8 teams or all the # 1 seed from each regions?
So do they seed the top 8 teams or all the # 1 seed from each regions?
They voted last year to only seed regional champs for the next 2 years.
Region 3 will not know their representatives until this weekend
Region 3 will not know their representatives until this weekend
i say it will probally be southern and prp
There could be some pools that are like going to be a meatgrinder!! Your top four seeds are going to be: Union (1); Trinity (2); Wayne (3); and who knows who is going to be the four seed. Ryle CANNOT be a top four seed because they are the Number 2 out of their region and will be drawn in (coach's decision from last year to draw in all number two seeds and NOT seed a 2 seeded team).
This means that a pool could consist of: Union (1); Ryle a two seed; LaRue a two seed from their region; and another 1 seed, say Woodford County. NOW THAT WOULD BE A KILLER POOL!!!!!!
Only a #1 seed can be seeded top four, no two seed. I am not sure Woodford will be a top four seed as they have been beaten by many teams this year in duals and that is the first criteria decided upon by the coaches, record and head to head.
If my guesses for the top two teams is correct.
Seedable Teams
1. Union County 15-0-0 (1) Region 1 #1
3. Trinity 13-2-0 (3) Region 4 #1
4. Wayne 12-2-1 (4) Region 8 #1
5. Campbell 10-4-1 (5) Region 6 #1
6. John Hardin 10-4-1 (6) Region 2 #1
7. Woodford County 9-6-0 (7) Region 7 #1
8. South Oldham 4-10-1 ( Region 5 #1
14. PRP 3-12-0 (14) Region 3 #1
Draw in
Christian County 6-8-1 Region 1 #2
Larue County 6-9-0 (9) Region 2 #2
Southern 0-15-0 (16) Region 3 #2
Seneca 5-9-1 (10) Region 4 #2
North Oldham 3-12-0 (13) Region 5 #2
Ryle 13-1-1 (2) Region 6 #2
Paul Dunbar 1-14-0 (15) Region 7 #2
Johnson Central 6-8-1 (11) Region 8 #2
My prediction
Pool 1
1. Union County 15-0-0 (1) Region 1 #1
Draw in
Draw in
14. PRP 3-12-0 (14) Region 3 #1
Pool 2
5. Campbell 10-4-1 (5) Region 6 #1
Draw in
Draw in
6. John Hardin 10-4-1 (6) Region 2 #1
Draw in Johnson Central 6-8-1 (11) Region 8 #2
Draw in Seneca 5-9-1 (10) Region 4 #2
Draw in North Oldham 3-12-0 (13) Region 5 #2
Draw in Paul Dunbar 1-14-0 (15) Region 7 #2
Bottom Bracket
Pool 3
3. Trinity 13-2-0 (3) Region 4 #1
Draw in
Draw in
8. South Oldham 4-10-1 Region 5 #1
Pool 4
4. Wayne 12-2-1 (4) Region 8 #1
Draw in
Draw in
7. Woodford County 9-6-0 (7) Region 7 #1
Draw in Ryle 13-1-1 (2) Region 6 #2
Draw in Christian County 6-8-1 Region 1 #2
Draw in Larue County 6-9-0 (9) Region 2 #2
Draw in Southern 0-15-0 (16) Region 3 #2
Seeding ALL the number ones would be a good idea, but the only teams seeded are the top four seeds. The other number one seeds are put into a hat and drawn in. Then the eight number two seeds are put into a hat and drawn in. I have been in many of those coaches meeting with the the teams are drawn out of the hat and put on a line. Very tense moments when the other number ones and when the number twos are drawn in. Last year when Woodford was drawn out of the hat, not much noise was made by anyone until they were put up on the board.
I have the feeling the same thing will be taking place when Ryle is drawn out of the hat!!
I guess its a coin flip between Cam. Co and John Hardin
Common opponents: Cam. Co split with Ryle
Cam. Co and John both beat North
Cam. Co and John both lost to Wayne
John Beat Ryle
Not sure who all either have lost too.
Do they go by overall record?
Yes, overall record but more emphasis would be against common opponents. I don't think Campbell and John have many common opponents, that beat one and not the other.
Good point old school, that four seed is going to be an interesting discussion. After each coach makes his case, the room tries to come to a consensus as to who should get the four seed.
Pretty interesting normally!! But the real fun will take place when they start drawing in Woodford, Ryle and LaRue into the pools. Their names will be put in a hat and then one coach, will start to draw out the names. I will say that all #1 and #2 from the same region are put on the opposite side of the brackets so they can't meet till finals. So where John goes will dictate which side LaRue goes and where Campbell goes will dictate which side of the bracket Ryle goes. So Union may lobby for Campbell to get that four seed and Trinity and Wayne may lobby for John to get the number four seed overall so that there is a chance Ryle lands as a number two on the other side of the bracket in possibly Union and/or John's pool.
Interesting to see who speaks up for whom at this seed meeting!!!
Trinity and Seneca are out of region 4. I think that is the order also.
Big Coach, when you say the top four are seeded, I got that.
The other 4 number one seeds are put into a hat and drawn as well.
Pool A #1 team is a
Pool B #1 team is b
Pool C #1 team is c
Pool D #1 team is d
Then the go to the number # 2 teams except they have to be on the opposite side of the #1 from there region.
The top three teams
1. Union County 15-0-0 (1) Region 1 #1
3. Trinity 13-2-0 (3) Region 4 #1
4. Wayne 12-2-1 (4) Region 8 #1
Campbell or John Hardin should be the fourth seed
Campbell or John Hardin, Woodford County, South Oldham or PRP
Could all draw Pool A (union) :?
No one is beating Union.(period) Everyone better hope that they are seeded or draw opposite of Union. Trinity better hope that Ryle and LaRue are not on their side also. Trinity only beat LaRue 33-27. Ryle is better than everyone thinks.
According to LaRue's website. They are 22-3. Losses to John Hardin 36-31, Trinity 33-27, and Union 51-18. Wins North Hardin (2), Seneca, Simon Kenton, Paul Dunbar, and John Hardin 36-28.
I don't have a website for Ryle.
No one is beating Union.(period) Everyone better hope that they are seeded or draw opposite of Union. Trinity better hope that Ryle and LaRue are not on their side also. Trinity only beat LaRue 33-27. Ryle is better than everyone thinks.
Unless another incident happens like last year's State Duals, when something like half of their team was out with injuries or illness.
everyone's forgetting about Meade County hey have been on a roll to be a second year team.
from a 171 mom
Yep old school, John Hardin or Campbell, Woodford, South Oldham, or the other number one seed, could all be drawn into Pool A with Union County. It is all a blind draw after the initial top four teams are seeded. I have the feeling teams like LaRue will be arguing for John to be the four seed as well as Ryle arguing Campbell is the four seed which would put their 2's (LaRue and Ryle) definitely on the other side from Union and not getting drawn into their pool.
Seeding meeting will be VERY interesting and would be fun to just be a fly on the wall!!!!
Yep old school, John Hardin or Campbell, Woodford, South Oldham, or the other number one seed, could all be drawn into Pool A with Union County. It is all a blind draw after the initial top four teams are seeded. I have the feeling teams like LaRue will be arguing for John to be the four seed as well as Ryle arguing Campbell is the four seed which would put their 2's (LaRue and Ryle) definitely on the other side from Union and not getting drawn into their pool.
Seeding meeting will be VERY interesting and would be fun to just be a fly on the wall!!!!
Why wouldn't it be drawn where there are 2 #1s in each pool? It doesn't make sense to just draw it so that a pool could have 4 #1 seeds.
171 mom. meade has been on a roll. but as you said they are a 2nd year team and i predict they will not win a single dual at this tournament. if they do then hey thats an upset and embarissing to the team that lost but if they dont thats ok too these are the best dualing teams in the state. best of luck to them. congrads on making it this far!
What is Campbell Co. record?
Region 1 duals are this weekend at Caldwell County. I predict Union and Christian to come out of Region 1. First time in a while Region 1 will be bringing more than 1 team to the state duals.
What are all the teams dual records?
What is Campbell Co. record?
I think its 32-2 the two losses were to Ryle and Wayne
I think its 32-2 the two losses were to Ryle and Wayne
Impressive, I know they beat split with Ryle.
Have they or will Campbell Co. match up with Union or Trinity :?
Why wouldn't it be drawn where there are 2 #1s in each pool? It doesn't make sense to just draw it so that a pool could have 4 #1 seeds.
I agree with Ranger's comment/question. Why wouldn't they put 2 #1 seeds in each pool?
Will be determined that saturday morning at Henry Clay. I think at the coaches meeting is when pools are decided. 32-2 is an impressive dual meet record. Thats alot of duals, how many tournaments has campbell won this year?
I agree with Ranger's comment/question. Why wouldn't they put 2 #1 seeds in each pool?
They do. BigCoach was making the point that because only the top 4 or 5 are seeded, any of those 4 mentioned could end up in Union's pool.
Example:
Union gets the one seed, Trinity the 2, Wayne the 3, and Campbell the 4 (THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE!!!) Now the other 4 one seeds are drawn randomly into those 4 pools. Big Coach was proving that any of the other one seeds NOT SEEDED could be drawn into Union's pool.
They do. BigCoach was making the point that because only the top 4 or 5 are seeded, any of those 4 mentioned could end up in Union's pool.
Example:
Union gets the one seed, Trinity the 2, Wayne the 3, and Campbell the 4 (THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE!!!) Now the other 4 one seeds are drawn randomly into those 4 pools. Big Coach was proving that any of the other one seeds NOT SEEDED could be drawn into Union's pool.
Ok. This does make more sense. Thanks for the clarification.
Impressive, I know they beat split with Ryle.
Have they or will Campbell Co. match up with Union or Trinity :?
No and to answer the other question we have won two tournaments and placed fourth in one other...as you can tell we are more of a dual team as apposed to a tournament team.
Region 1 duals are this weekend at Caldwell County. I predict Union and Christian to come out of Region 1. First time in a while Region 1 will be bringing more than 1 team to the state duals.
Region 1 may bring two teams this year, but one of them will not be Christian County. They are going to North Hardin's tournament this weekend, not the Region 1 Duals.
Ok. This does make more sense. Thanks for the clarification.
It seems somewhat unfair to be (possible) the fifth or sixth best team and get stuck in the Number #1 pool i.e. Union.
I don't understand why they don't just seed the top 8 number one teams, it shouldn't be that hard with all the duals that each team have. :?
Region 1 duals are this weekend at Caldwell County. I predict Union and Christian to come out of Region 1. First time in a while Region 1 will be bringing more than 1 team to the state duals.
Region 1 may bring two teams this year, but one of them will not be Christian County. They are going to North Hardin's tournament this weekend, not the Region 1 Duals.
wow i figured they would want to go to state duals. I think christian can beat everyteam in the region except union.
So, about that bet....lolwow i figured they would want to go to state duals. I think christian can beat everyteam in the region except union.
Lol I lost, but I was fooled, now if they were going to the region duals then I think I would win the bet :evil:
already commited to the north hardin tournament,but would love to see some of the action from the regional duals.good luck to all.Lol I lost, but I was fooled, now if they were going to the region duals then I think I would win the bet :evil:
Yes this is another downfall of the state duals. Teams who are not sure they will qualify for the state duals must commit to another tourney so that they have someplace to wrestle that weekend.
I know in Nky many of the teams go to Ohio and cannot get out of the tourney for one year and then return. They loose their spot in the tourney. I believe Conner has always said they would not attend the state duals because of this.
Thats crazy, why would north hardin have a tournament if they thought they had a chance for the state duals? Usually they make it.
Hasn't this tourney been going on for a while now?
Probably when this tourney was started North was not qualifying for the state duals.
If they start cancelling the tourney then those teams that participate are left high and dry. They would then book another tourney if possible.
Region 1 duals are this weekend at Caldwell County. I predict Union and Christian to come out of Region 1. First time in a while Region 1 will be bringing more than 1 team to the state duals.
Christian County is not going to the duals from my understanding. Pride wrestler do you know how the pools are going to be set up? If you lose once are you out for the first and second place, or is it going to be pools based on best performance and brought to the next placing pools?