Who do you think the top 8 will be in the state next yr at 130.

Pre-Season Rankings say

#1-Harrison Courtney

#2-Joey Sanders

#3-Wesley Kiper

#4-Beau Sanders

#5-Derek Branch

#6-Trey Morlatt

#7-Shane Carey

#8-Nick Coomer

How many of these guys will be at 130 :?:

How or why would they rank Harrison over the state champion Joey Sander :?:

Jacob Murton 11 Lawrence County Rumor

Joey Sanders 11 Wayne County State Champion

Harrison Courtney 8 Woodford County 3rd Place

Bryan Peace 9 Ryle

Wesley Kiper 10 Ohio County

Derek Scott 11 South Oldham

Ozzy Parker 11 Larue County

Daniel Thueneman 10 Scott

Ben Rust 11 Campbell County

Rusty Parks 11 Woodford County

Tyler Baines 11 St. Xavier

Josh Ashbrook 9 Harrison County

Stacy Miller 11 Larue County

Eric Bryant 11 McCreary Central

Malcolm Jackson 10 Fern Creek

Daniel Murner 11 South Oldham

explain to me wut that is 119 125 and 130 mix ?

explain to me wut that is 119 125 and 130 mix ?

How many of these guys will be at 130 :?:

How or why would they rank Harrison over the state champion Joey Sander :?:

Jacob Murton 11 Lawrence County Rumor

Joey Sanders 11 Wayne County State Champion

Harrison Courtney 8 Woodford County 3rd Place

Bryan Peace 9 Ryle

Wesley Kiper 10 Ohio County

Derek Scott 11 South Oldham

Ozzy Parker 11 Larue County

Daniel Thueneman 10 Scott

Ben Rust 11 Campbell County

Rusty Parks 11 Woodford County

Tyler Baines 11 St. Xavier

Josh Ashbrook 9 Harrison County

Stacy Miller 11 Larue County

Eric Bryant 11 McCreary Central

Malcolm Jackson 10 Fern Creek

Daniel Murner 11 South Oldham

I know Malcolm will be going 125-130 more than likely 130..

explain to me wut that is 119 125 and 130 mix ?

Chief, thats why pre-season doesn't mean a thing :wink:

To many kids move around in weigh :twisted:

If you go 125, Stacy will go 130, can he cut back to 19 :roll:

Eric Bryant says he'll be 130-135 probably "Murton"

Sanders and Courtney @130 :shock:

Thueneman :?:

I'm not to far off with a few of those names.

Come Dec bring this thread back and we will see who is and isn't at 130 :!:

My list is more accruate than Breds130 picks :twisted:

Bryant will not be at 130. I weigh less now than I did this time last year. I am going 119, no more than 125. It depends on where my team needs me for our first top 10 finish ever. My team is returning everyone, which includes 8 state qualifiers.

Bryant will not be at 130. I weigh less now than I did this time last year. I am going 119' date=' no more than 125. It depends on where my team needs me for our first top 10 finish ever. My team is returning everyone, which includes 8 state qualifiers.[/quote']

MC125,

I was just pointing out that preseason picks again don't mean a thing.

I never thought you would go back to 19 :oops:

If you do, you would be the top contender for a title.

But you can see that all this means nothing till everyone stands on the scale come Dec/Jan.

It goes for all the weigh classes, some will stay the same, others may go up one or two weight class's, heck a few may even go down one :twisted:

Others will move to a weight where they have the best chance two win a title:?:

There will be many surprizes once eveyone step on the scales in all weight classes :shock:

Is this statment NOT true :idea:

Coty Lewis will not like to hear your at 19, he may have the most state runner-ups in history :roll: .

And that is no disrespect towards Coty he is a great wrestler, he just hasn't gotten the break or beat the best.

Ruschell, Wood, maybe now Bryant :oops: :?:

:?: :oops:

thyueneman is goin 135 and im goin to try my best to make 125

Who do you think are some of the tough 125's from last year coming up to 130.

Derek Scott maybe. Unless he goes 135. I don't know if he'd be going 135 to avoid Murton, i don't want to imply that even accidentally, everyone grows at different rates.

Possibly Ashbrooke, but he was looking big enough in the offseason that wrestling 135 wouldn't be wrestling fat.

Ben Rust had told me he's going 130. I don't know if thats still the case. He's gotten stocky from lifting, but if he can't make 130 he'll go 135.

If those 3 don't go 130, they'll be top 5 wherever they end up anyway.

Yea I agree those guys are tough they'll definitely be in the top five where ever they go.

I don't think Coty Lewis will have a problem with Bryant, I'd say a major decision possibly.

I don't think Coty Lewis will have a problem with Bryant' date=' I'd say a major decision possibly.[/quote']

I really don't understand your thinking behind this post??

Bryant beat Parks 10-6, beat butler 9-4, and pinned chad scott; butler beat coty, all this happened this off-season, coty is a great wresler but I definatly don't see a victory for coty in this match-up!!! Especially since coty has to cut more weight than bryant to make 119.

I saw some of theses matches and Bryant was giving up weight in every match. I doubt that the smallest of these wrestlers could handle three rounds with Bryant....and I'm a Woodford fan.

Come on Rambo, honestly. Bryant beat Parks 10-6 out of season. Thats hardly handing someone's behind to them. They can't last three rounds with Bryant ? You're trying to make it sound like he mauled all of Woodford's guys while he drank a glass of lemonade. Come on.

The Bengals roughed up the New England Patriots in preseason last year, but which of those teams was better again ? I'm not saying Bryant is the Bengals metaphorically speaking, but once again i'm saying out of season matches mean as much as football preseason. I wouldn't base any predictions on out of season matches.

And once again, if Parks had weight on Bryant it could very well have been that Bryant is keeping in better shape in the offseason and is trimmer as a result. That being said, such a match would possibly go worse for Bryant when the season comes around and you have a lighter Parks in better physical condition. It seems Parks is saying he's going 125 next year, so he was possibly fat if he had as much weight on Bryant as you claim. I would hardly cede wrestling fat as an advantage if that was what was going on ... i'd be more willing to call it a handicap.

I know you like the guy, but lets at least try to be objective here. Although, i'm not willing to say Lewis would major Bryant either. Thats a bit bold of a statement too. I think those two would be a good match.

Ok Bryant beat Parks 10-6 at the Bluegrass State Games. Did you see the match and who controlled it? Parks was winning the whole time and got a scratch on his eyeball. He didn't get scratched around his eye or on his eyelid, but rather the eyeball itself. I saw it and it looked pretty nasty. Bryant won on a throw that didn't look that good anyway. My reasoning behind Lewis being able to major decision Bryant is that the only way Bryant can hang with Parks is because of his strength, and Coty is stronger than Rusty (he's a man). He's also explosive where Rusty is more slick. Don't bring Butler or Chad Scott into this, that has nothing to do with this. Parks and Lewis both will be state champs this year, along with Courtney and Starks, and maybe John Smith.

:twisted: lewis wont be a state champ if he is in the same weight as caleb wood.

Why not? It could have went either way last year. Some thought that it actually DID go the other way.

Why not? It could have went either way last year. Some thought that it actually DID go the other way.

As with many others I saw the match and agree the correct call was made.

Coty waited to late to attack Caleb,

Both are great wrestlers and they will always split. Yes, Coty could have just as easy be the stae champion.

I'm interested in the John Smith being able to make 12, that could be good. Wood, Smith, Luna maybe a few others.

Good points everyone. I'm one that thought Lewis won that match, but its over now....

The FACT of the matter is, Parks will be top 3 next year no matter what at 125, Lewis will be top 3 next year at 119 and Smith will probably be top 3 at 112. Woodford just has too many good wrestlers coming back next year, impossible to stop.

I know I'm going to get the old "if a team works hard", or "if Woodford has injuries". Common sense, look at their line up for next year.

I agree, no one has anything for Woodford next year in the team competition. I don't know about having 5 champs though ... even if you have 5 guys that are true favorites one is bound to get upset. Those 3 you mentioned will be top 3 or 4 also. You are right about that too.

My reasoning for Bryant/Lewis being a good match is strength on strength actually. Negates each other's advantage somewhat.

So, weight is a disadvantage??? Both Parks and Bryant were completly out of shape.

You think Coty is just as strong as Bryant...that's funny

I guess Parks will have to wrestle whatever Coty doesn't since Coty is so much better than Parks!!

I agree with everything grapplinfan said. There is no way they will have 5 champs. That just doesnt happen. But they could have anywhere from 9-13 placers. Probably 2 champs.

And I also agree, Lewis and Bryant will be a good match. Can't wait to see it. I do think Lewis would beat him. He's better on his feet and that usually wins the close matches.

Last year Lewis obviously wasn't as strong. He wrestled 112, Bryant 119 and Lewis was a freshman. But, he's about at that growth spurt age ... probably why he popped up to about 135 in the offseason. But, by this year he will have closed the gap enough he wouldn't get manhandled strength wise. The winner would be the more technically sound of the two.

I don't know enough about the two of them to make a guess at which is.

So' date=' weight is a disadvantage??? Both Parks and Bryant were completly out of shape.

You think Coty is just as strong as Bryant...that's funny

I guess Parks will have to wrestle whatever Coty doesn't since Coty is so much better than Parks!![/quote']

BOLD comments :idea: but how far away from the truth :?: Maybe closer than most people think.

If Rusty wasn't around would Coty wrestle 125 or drop to 19 :?:

Is this a coaching decision for the team or the kids ie seniors ect..

Rusty will wrestle 25, Coty 19 and John Smith 12 no matter who is the better wrestler at each weigh class :?:

And what if Smith can't cut to 12 is he sh-- out of luck his senior year?

Would Coty be better of at 25, than losing 15 pd to go 19:idea:

Is there any place for Rusty 130 and can he win a title there:?:

Looks like the coaching staff will have a few tough decisions, two seniors, via'ing for a team and individual titles ect..

Bottom line: all three wrestlers are great kids and represent Woodford well, I wish them all sucess this season :wink:

There is no way that Lewis can beat Parks...But the fact of the matter is that Parks will be at 125 and Lewis will be at 119. Woodfords first 4 wrestlers will be really tough this year. Also Courtney, Fyffe, both Starks brothers, Byrd and Goodrich will all be tough too.

103-Shane Parks

112-John Smith

119-Coty Lewis

125- Rusty Parks

Courtney (140)

Fyffe(152)

W. Starks (171)

R. Starks (189)

Byrd(215)

Goodrich(Hwt.)

git'r'done,

Actually I do think Lewis is as strong as Bryant. Obviously I haven't seen him bench whatever he says he can, but that's really beside the point. How much you can bench doesn't have anything to do with wrestling. Neither does squats, or any other excercise. The only thing that matters is wrestling strength. I have wrestled a lot of guys in college that couldn't bench, squat, power clean, lat row hardly anything; but they had a grip you couldn't believe. It doesn't matter how much weight you can move in a controlled manner in a controlled environment. These kids don't compete in weightlifting competitions in February. What I was talking about with Lewis and Bryant was the wrestling strength. I have worked extensively with most of the Woodford Co. program for the past couple of years, including Coty. One thing I've noticed is that Coty Lewis is a MAN. I am a redshirt junior wrestling 157 lbs this year at a respected Div II program. This past year at the state games when I saw Coty we rolled around. It amazed me how strong he was. I felt like I was in a real match with him, except the weight difference. The only thing holding Coty Lewis back is Coty Lewis. If he makes a full commitment then nobody around his weight would be able to touch him, including Caleb Wood. The reason he doesn't attack the whole match is because he's not in top shape. That's the only reason, he's a scrapper, a fighter, someone who will do whatever it takes within the rules to win. Mark my words, if he gets in shape, watch out, you may be looking at the next Jacob Murton.

yes lewis is every bit as strong as bryant, and lewis is WAY more technical than bryant (emphasis on WAY) all eric is, is muscle and has a pinch of technique and is ALL upper body. if anyone wants too beat eric bryant, learn how to shoot low, low singles, high croutches, cause if ur quick enough u can get them but wen he gets stuck all he does is crotch lifts.

sorry if that was harsh, and i wish eric best of luck, and why is he even being brought up in this thread? its about 130 state predictions, last time i heard he was going 19 or 25.

Lowsingle you must have a grudge against one of the nicest kids in the state.Fact ,last day of state coty and bryant will still be wrestling for some spot in placing in some weight,maybe not in the same one.GREAT wrestlers never talk crap about each other, so where will you be the last day :?: You need to look at yourself to find these answers,they will be wrestling not mouth running.

first off, this is a website that allows you to "talk" about kentucky wrestling. second off, as u can see your the only person that backs eric up whenever i say something about him. i just think everyone sees a different side of him. and i have so much more secrets about him that would spin your head. but if i offended you eric i appologize and i wish u the best of luck, and eric can stand up for himself everytime i say something regarding him bad or good i dont need you "RAMBO" too jump all over my case.

i know that was harsh and sorry.. but ur the only one that jumps on my case.. its just my oppinion

Regardless if it's a web site or not I don't believe you should hold a personal grudge against someone and degrade their skill.

man...this is getting hostile! ;-) I have to chime in here with my 2 cents worth....i watched the eric bryant/rusty parks match very closely...i'd have to agree with some other people in this thread (allamericn157), parks was pretty much in control. I heard so much talk on here about how great bryant looked, i thought he was going to dominate but it was the complete opposite. if Bryant wins state, i'd be surprised.

i dont hold a personal grudge against him jeez! stop putting words in my mouth. i cant stand when wrestlers are overrated and they have a big head. thats wat u guys are doing is giving him all this credit he doesnt deserve, as his head grows and grows. ur making it seem it will be an easy walk through state, and ur wrong. it never is.

I don't think Bryant is cocky, although there is a fine line between it and having confidence. Bryant may be one of the nicest kids in the world but we're not talking about how nice people are, this whole site is about wrestling, not people's manners.

Now back to wrestling, I doubt Bryant will place in the top 3 next year at whatever weight he wrestles. I agree with LOWsingle140 about how to beat him. The year he lost to Rusty in the finals the weight wasn't that tough. Rusty is good and Robinette was, but Sexton was and Bryant is all muscle, so the match was a toss up. I believe Rusty major decisioned him in the finals. Rusty also beat Robinette in the semis that year and Sexton earlier in the year. As much as you hate to admit it, Rusty is one of the top wrestlers in the state, and he will return to the top of the podium next year.

Parks is a very good wrestler, and may return to the top of the podium, but after last year at state i didn't see anything to indicate its a given.

Parker may be at 125, who throttled Parks at state. If Parker wrestles like he did until he came across Derek Scott in the finals, he didn't look like the same guy in the finals, he's your champ. If Parker doesn't make it, you'll have Miller from LaRue who is also a threat to him. There's also Warner that can hang pretty well, and Marcus Coleman will be there although he had a disappointing tournament last year. After all, earlier in the year Coleman bested Thuneman 7-2 ... since it was a decision i'd be less inclined to say it was something like a fluke pin. And Coleman wrestled Scott pretty tight, i think he lost 5-3 in the winner's bracket to him. What i'm saying is he can wrestle with anybody too.

Parks did look tough against Thuneman, just fell victim to the coin toss with double overtime. I enjoyed watching that match a lot, it was a war.

You also have to remember that last year Parks was coming back from a shoulder injury. He didn't start wrestling live until December and I think the WCI was his first meet. That's a half a season the rest of the state had to prepare for state.

Very true ... but a couple months is still enough time to be in shape for a top athelete like him. And for the sake of argument, even if it did affect him, its still nothing but speculation as to whether he would have beaten Parker or not. Which brings me back to my point.

He may very well win it again, he's elite. I just don't think its a given, if i were making odds i'd say maybe 40-60 to 50-50 of him winning it all. Remember, that match wasn't even close with Ozzie, out of shape because of bad shoulder or not. The 5 point win was not a good indicator of how the match overall was, Parks scored a reversal near the end to get it to 11-6.

Ozzie did wrestle like demon that day though, never seen him look that tough.

I have won a few and lost a few against Eric. I understand what all of you are saying about a few of his short comings, but you can't argue with the fact that he is successful. Amid the flaws, which I was fortunate to find and exploit on occasion, Eric has as much heart as anyone and a few moves that are big scorers. He never quits and has an explosive ability to catch you and score big points against you. I don't know who would win or what weight class they will be in...but I guarentee ole Mr. Bryant (in control the whole match or not) would never be out of the match...ask Warner...

Eloquently spoken, DumpTruck.