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State Dual qualifiers: 

If you post, please put top 3 finishers in the event of a roll down. 

1A:

Section 1: Union/Fort Campbell/Caldwell

Section 2: LaRue Co/Nelson Co

Section 3: Western/Green Co (IN DUE TO RANDOM ROLL UP)

Section 4: 1. Mason County/Lawrence County/East Carter

Section 5: . McCreary Central/Bell County/Somerset  

Section 6: Martin County/Belfry

2A:

Section 1: PT/Christian Co/Calloway

Section 2: Moore/North Oldham/Fairdale

Section 3: Franklin County/Anderson County/Taylor County

Section 4: Harrison Co./Highlands/Scott

Section 5: Boyle/Corbin/Wayne

Section 6: Johnson Central/Boyd Co/Perry County Central

3A:

Section 1: Henderson Co/McCracken Co/Apollo

Section 2: Oldham Co/Central Hardin/Woodford

Section 3: Meade County/Male high school/Fern creek

Section 4: St.X/Trinity

Section 5: Ryle/Simon Kenton/Conner

Section 6:  Madison Central/Henry Clay/Dunbar

Any Word on Girls State Duals Qualifying Procedures?

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16 hours ago, FCfalconwrestling said:

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Seems like most regional duals were cancelled last week an will be happening this week.

On 12/22/2024 at 7:47 PM, FCfalconwrestling said:

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State Dual qualifiers: 

If you post, please put top 3 finishers in the event of a roll down. 

 

1A:

Section 1: Union/Fort Campbell/Caldwell

Section 2: 

Section 3: Walton Verona/Western

Section 4: 1. Mason County/Lawrence County/East Carter

Section 5: . McCreary Central/Bell County/Somerset  

Section 6: Martin County/Belfry

 

2A:

Section 1: 

Section 2: 

Section 3: Franklin County/Anderson County/Taylor County

Section 4: Harrison Co./Highlands/Scott

Section 5:

Section 6: Johnson Central/Boyd Co/Perry County Central

3A:

Section 1: Henderson Co/McCracken Co/Apollo

Section 2: Oldham Co/Central Hardin/Woodford

Section 3: Meade County/Male high school/Fern creek

Section 4: 

Section 5:

Section 6:  Madison Central/Henry Clay/Dunbar

Do 2 or 3 teams qualify for state duals? I know in the past it's been 2 teams per sectional. 

1 hour ago, Bk3 said:

Do 2 or 3 teams qualify for state duals? I know in the past it's been 2 teams per sectional. 

2.  3rd place is alternate.

No Walton-Verona or Great Crossing?

I heard Walton declined and Great Crossings lost to SK

Girl bracket is up. Boys will be pools again. 

21 hours ago, Take-em-down said:

I heard Walton declined and Great Crossings lost to SK

Correct we beat Great Crossings in a tight dual. For the most part all the duals in this section were tight matchups and very fun to watch, most came down to the last match!

Anyone else not just love the dual format? I love state duals. It really turns an individual sport into a team event.

Love it too, gets all the kids involved. Even our JV guys were going nuts and backing their teammates for big wins and big matches against GC and Ryle last Thursday. Plus as a coach the bit of gamesmanship of being able to bump around and who has to show first creates a lot more intensity and suspense! Always means a little more I feel like!

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Hearing Harrison co got the 1 seed in 2a over JC and PT. Also that PT and JC will meet in the semi finals. Wow!  Have to get there early it will be the best dual in the entire state. 

6 hours ago, PPmothman said:

Hearing Harrison co got the 1 seed in 2a over JC and PT. Also that PT and JC will meet in the semi finals. Wow!  Have to get there early it will be the best dual in the entire state. 

I came on to write the same thing. Wow. 

Tougher competition only hurts you at state duals. 

Yes they punish teams like PT and JC for going out and trying to dual the toughest teams they can. They reward teams like Harrison co that refuses to go out and wrestle anyone. If Union was 2a they might be the 4 or 5 seed. I’m hearing the new president really bungled the whole thing. It’s a shame they have a great venue and concept that’s going to give a lesser product to the fans. The finals will be a blow out. 

1 hour ago, PPmothman said:

Yes they punish teams like PT and JC for going out and trying to dual the toughest teams they can. They reward teams like Harrison co that refuses to go out and wrestle anyone. If Union was 2a they might be the 4 or 5 seed. I’m hearing the new president really bungled the whole thing. It’s a shame they have a great venue and concept that’s going to give a lesser product to the fans. The finals will be a blow out. 

It’s tough. They ignored criteria in previous years to keep JC and Paducah on opposite sides. But this year they followed criteria. 

I think criteria needs to be improved. But just ignoring it isn’t the correct answer. 

18 minutes ago, gator1 said:

It’s tough. They ignored criteria in previous years to keep JC and Paducah on opposite sides. But this year they followed criteria. 

I think criteria needs to be improved. But just ignoring it isn’t the correct answer. 

I think a vote would be better. There were teams that were willing to concede their seed and it wasn’t Allowed bc it wasnt 48 hours before the meeting. However the seeds weren’t put out before the meeting and you couldn’t go by the criteria bc all the information wasn’t in track. You should put the best two teams on opposite sides. That’s the point. This is also the first year they did away with the minimum dual matches. If that would have still been in then Harrison wouldn’t have been 1. 

Maybe they reseed by scores after the pool matches. 

25 minutes ago, DrBaker said:

Maybe they reseed by scores after the pool matches. 

Doubtful. The president is bragging about sticking up to JC and PT. He’s more worried about his ego than providing a good product at state duals.  The point is to get the best two teams in the finals. 

1 hour ago, PPmothman said:

I think a vote would be better. There were teams that were willing to concede their seed and it wasn’t Allowed bc it wasnt 48 hours before the meeting. However the seeds weren’t put out before the meeting and you couldn’t go by the criteria bc all the information wasn’t in track. You should put the best two teams on opposite sides. That’s the point. This is also the first year they did away with the minimum dual matches. If that would have still been in then Harrison wouldn’t have been 1. 

Ironically, they did away with minimum dual matches because that would have forced PT and JC to the same side in a previous year. So the rules were already ignored and later modified once for them. 
 

I agree that voting would be a good way to do this in the future. Of course we want the best two teams in the finals, but we shouldn’t assume we know who those best two teams are, especially when some teams have almost no head to heads or common opponents in the state. 

1 minute ago, gator1 said:

Ironically, they did away with minimum dual matches because that would have forced PT and JC to the same side in a previous year. So the rules were already ignored and later modified once for them. 
 

I agree that voting would be a good way to do this in the future. Of course we want the best two teams in the finals, but we shouldn’t assume we know who those best two teams are, especially when some teams have almost no head to heads or common opponents in the state. 

Does any one really think Harrison co is the best team to get the one seed?  Boyd co might push them and with a couple upsets could very well win that pool. 

7 minutes ago, PPmothman said:

Does any one really think Harrison co is the best team to get the one seed?  Boyd co might push them and with a couple upsets could very well win that pool. 

No, I very much doubt they are the #1. I was thinking that it’s the other 3 teams that are all close. Last year JC beat Paducah and Boyle in close duals, and Paducah and Boyle both beat Harrison in less close duals. And those 3 teams are ranked 2,3 and 4 in the state in rangers dual rankings (behind Union, of course). 
 

Frankly I’d like to see a round robin this year. But I don’t figure they’d change the rules for it. 

1 minute ago, gator1 said:

No, I very much doubt they are the #1. I was thinking that it’s the other 3 teams that are all close. Last year JC beat Paducah and Boyle in close duals, and Paducah and Boyle both beat Harrison in less close duals. And those 3 teams are ranked 2,3 and 4 in the state in rangers dual rankings (behind Union, of course). 
 

Frankly I’d like to see a round robin this year. But I don’t figure they’d change the rules for it. 

Yes but we need to provide a good product to the fans. That’s making for the most exciting finals match as possible. Boyle co lost quite a bit from last year that they have not been able to replace. Pt returned alot. JC returned all but one. He was replaced with McCourt who’s a state placer that had to sit out a year bc of injury. They have 10 state placers. Maybe the criteria needs to revolve around the individual kids on the roster. 

3 hours ago, gator1 said:

No, I very much doubt they are the #1. I was thinking that it’s the other 3 teams that are all close. Last year JC beat Paducah and Boyle in close duals, and Paducah and Boyle both beat Harrison in less close duals. And those 3 teams are ranked 2,3 and 4 in the state in rangers dual rankings (behind Union, of course). 
 

Frankly I’d like to see a round robin this year. But I don’t figure they’d change the rules for it. 

Paducah beat JC last year based on Track.

3 hours ago, PPmothman said:

Yes but we need to provide a good product to the fans. That’s making for the most exciting finals match as possible. Boyle co lost quite a bit from last year that they have not been able to replace. Pt returned alot. JC returned all but one. He was replaced with McCourt who’s a state placer that had to sit out a year bc of injury. They have 10 state placers. Maybe the criteria needs to revolve around the individual kids on the roster. 

not in track but I've heard Boyle beat union in a dual at shamrock, could be totally false however

22 minutes ago, CheeseBalls said:

Paducah beat JC last year based on Track.

You’re right, my mistake. Paducah beat JC 32-27. 

25 minutes ago, bojack horseman said:

not in track but I've heard Boyle beat union in a dual at shamrock, could be totally false however

That’s false. Union won by 50 or so. 

How did Harrison get the 1 seed? 

5 minutes ago, DrBaker said:

That’s false. Union won by 50 or so. 

figured it was not the case

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Did JC really weigh in 39 kids, 8 hwts? 

4 minutes ago, DrBaker said:

Did JC really weigh in 39 kids, 8 hwts? 

No, there's a limit of 21 

That was one of the worst experiences I've had at a wrestling event. Started late, empty mats not being utilized, ran so late one team didn't even stay to finish. 

On 1/25/2025 at 8:48 AM, DrBaker said:

Did JC really weigh in 39 kids, 8 hwts? 

That’s totally false but I did hear Union tried to weigh in 12 with the last name of Ervin.  Thank God they had age eligibility problems.

On 1/23/2025 at 6:53 AM, gator1 said:

It’s tough. They ignored criteria in previous years to keep JC and Paducah on opposite sides. But this year they followed criteria. 

I think criteria needs to be improved. But just ignoring it isn’t the correct answer. 

Yes seeding can change the placements for sure. They chould always change the format and wrestle 6 duals. First round go with your seeding criteria then second round Pool A would be 1A-2B-3C-4D finishers from each pool. Pool B --2A-1B--4C--3D--Pool C -- 3A- 4B--1C--2D and Pool D-- 4A--3B--2C--1D then you would have a 1 thru 4 finisher in each pool from each pool in second round.  Then in the last round have all the winners from second round go to Pool A- 2nd place pool B- Third Pool C-- 4th to pool D and wrestle round robin again then the best teams will finish top 3 at least because they will all face each other sooner or later. If you are in a pool where you already beat that team that day you dont wrestle them again. That way the 3 champion teams of each class should have at least one match left to wrestle each other maybe for over all title if you want to and if not do it later in the year. Just a thought to solve a problem we seem to have every year with seeding and whats fair or not.

On 1/27/2025 at 9:28 AM, Raiders Wrestling said:

Yes seeding can change the placements for sure. They chould always change the format and wrestle 6 duals. First round go with your seeding criteria then second round Pool A would be 1A-2B-3C-4D finishers from each pool. Pool B --2A-1B--4C--3D--Pool C -- 3A- 4B--1C--2D and Pool D-- 4A--3B--2C--1D then you would have a 1 thru 4 finisher in each pool from each pool in second round.  Then in the last round have all the winners from second round go to Pool A- 2nd place pool B- Third Pool C-- 4th to pool D and wrestle round robin again then the best teams will finish top 3 at least because they will all face each other sooner or later. If you are in a pool where you already beat that team that day you dont wrestle them again. That way the 3 champion teams of each class should have at least one match left to wrestle each other maybe for over all title if you want to and if not do it later in the year. Just a thought to solve a problem we seem to have every year with seeding and whats fair or not.

 

Great idea Raider Wrestling.  There are only 12 teams in state duals. All you have to do is wrestle the 4 pools as normal (all get 2 matches) then take all the 1st place teams (4) and wrestle a round robin (3 more duals) then have a  true champion. Same for the other 3 placers (2nd 3rd) in each original pool. 

On 1/26/2025 at 9:25 AM, Jimbobert said:

That was one of the worst experiences I've had at a wrestling event. Started late, empty mats not being utilized, ran so late one team didn't even stay to finish. 

If you are referring to Belfry leaving as soon as they were done, they left for their football coach's funeral.

I've been to several State Duals and as a spectator I thought it was well run and was a good tournament. 

2 hours ago, Stick Man said:

If you are referring to Belfry leaving as soon as they were done, they left for their football coach's funeral.

I've been to several State Duals and as a spectator I thought it was well run and was a good tournament. 

Oldham was the team i was referring to 

49 minutes ago, Jimbobert said:

Oldham was the team i was referring to 

State duals at that large of a venue running 4 different divisions was a first. The association spent a LOT of time and effort to put on the best event possible. Was there things that went wrong yes... For example, putting two black mats together and I having to go half way across the state to return a piece. A later start time because a team was late for weigh ins to just name a few.

We as an association will continue to grow the event and the first step was having a unified venue for all 4 divisions. 

On 1/26/2025 at 9:25 AM, Jimbobert said:

That was one of the worst experiences I've had at a wrestling event. Started late, empty mats not being utilized, ran so late one team didn't even stay to finish. 

Started late? the flyer said start time 9:00 am, first round started at 9:15

There were 86 duals wrestled, which if every match went the distance would be 120 hours of wrestling, with 12 mats going that would be 10 hours to finish all rounds. So 10 hours from 9:15 would be an estimate finish time of 7:15 pm, I was walking out of there at 8pm after breaking down and loading mats. That last match OC decided to not wrestle was a volunteer match after the finals where complete. Once all the finals were complete that was the official end of the tournament.