is union county the amazing team everyone says they are?

no, its just i think the overall talent in ky is down this year compared to past years

look at last year's results, and look at who they have returning.  factor in that their team is well coached, and they have worked very hard in the off season.  they are definitely deserving of a #1 ranking.  having said that, they are beatable and teams like Trinity, Ryle, Wayne, & Campbell are not going to hand them anything.

No, they really are that good.  I am not surprised by where they are, and I don't think trinity, waybe, ryle will hand it to them, but they will win.

no, its just i think the overall talent in ky is down this year compared to past years

What is that supposed to mean?

I think that woodford is down, larue is rebuilding, and a small school like union is dominating. I dont think their overrated, they work hard to be where they're at. Possibly the best coaching staff (as a whole) in the state, I think at Mater Dei I saw 9 people with Coaches shirts.

I will say Union is deserving of #1 also. The are doing really well and only getting better. I don't think that anybody except for Wayne Co. can stop them they have came the closest.

On the other hand I have said it time and time again in between there awesome coaching and the fact that they are constantly wrestling out of state and getting better might have something to do with it.

I will thought tell you who is over rated, not Union Co. but Ryle.

i only seen one weight class that they had that wasnt as tough and that was their HWT.....but other than that they great i think :|

is union county the amazing team everyone says they are?

By Kentucky wrestling high school standards they are.  Don't get me wrong, they are very deserving of their success and it will be hard for anyone to deny them their 2nd straight state title.  They are very talented.  They do very well against out-of-state competition so I think that helps to solidify them as a very legitimate team.  As for my earlier comment, let's say if Union were to compete against the best teams in Indiana like Mater Dei, Lawrence North, Pike, Mishawaka, Griffith, etc. I don't think they would win, but they wouldn't exactly embarrass themselves either.  They would hold their own & that would be hard for a lot of Kentucky teams to say.  However, in Kentucky which is all that matters for the state tournament, they are the best team this year, they should win the state duals & are definitely the favorites to repeat the 3rd weekend in February.

is union county the amazing team everyone says they are?

I think they are overrated.  They better hope they don't end up in the same pool as Meade Co. next weekend, or it's curtains. :-D

no, its just i think the overall talent in ky is down this year compared to past years

From what i have seen in the last few seasons...i have noticed this year there are way more thems actually in the running for a state title...making it a good state competition..

Yeah last years state was the closest it had been in a long time and i can only expect it to get alot closer with so many teams in the running

I think they are overrated.  They better hope they don't end up in the same pool as Meade Co. next weekend, or it's curtains. :-D

that's the funniest thing I've seen on here in a while!!1 :roll:

I think they are overrated.  They better hope they don't end up in the same pool as Meade Co. next weekend, or it's curtains. :-D

That was harsh.

is union county the amazing team everyone says they are?

yes.

I think they are overrated.  They better hope they don't end up in the same pool as Meade Co. next weekend, or it's curtains. :-D

That has to be a joke. If it is not, then I hope that they are in the same pool as Meade Co.. By the way, what weight are you?

Union is amazing. They are on a whole other level than any team in Kentucky. The only teams with a shot at beating them would be Ryle and Campbell County. Union is GOOD everywhere. Their only soft spot if heavyweight.

That is a nice way to put it.

that's why it's so funny

Union County has a GREAT team.  I saw them at John Hardin.  They beat Larue (score ?), and John Hardin (score ?).  And there is no way that Meade county can win againest Union County.  They will be lucky to even win a match.  I'm not trying to knock Meade, Union is just the best team in the state right now.  There are alot of schools that will give them a run.  We will find out if anyone can beat them this coming weekend.

I believe if you go back and read the Meade wrestlers comment it actually says he thinks the Union heavy weight is a little down but thinks the team as a whole is in his actual words    " great ".

Union has 3 picked to win and like 6 picked to place and the rest are ranked not sure if thats really true i know the 3 winners are though so dont look it up but yeah, but yeah i see them winning by at the least 60 or 70 points probably more :|

Henderson, Union teams advance to state duals

Gleaner staff

Tuesday, January 22, 2008

PRINCETON, Ky. -- Union County won Saturday's regional duals at Caldwell County, while Henderson County finished second as both teams will advance to the state duals this weekend in Lexington.

      Union County fielded two teams in the competition and both were unbeaten. The varsity (White) team posted wins over Calloway County JV 84-0, Fort Campbell 80-0, Daviess County 65-18, Calloway County varsity 78-6 and Henderson County 72-12. The junior varsity (Blue) beat University Heights 74-3, Ohio County 60-16, Henderson County 36-33, Calloway County JV 84-0 and Apollo 84-0.

      Going 5-0 for the Braves' varsity were Jarvis Elam (103 pounds), Isaac Thomas (112), Aaron Carr (119), Jake Wempe (125), Caleb Ervin (130), Luke Ervin (135), Matt Young (140), Isaac Ervin (145), Mitch Ervin (160), Jarrod Burke (171) and Tim McKenney (189). For the JV team, Neal Reburn (103), Cody Quinn (112), Keaton Thomas (119), Duncan Taylor (125) and Jimmy Jones (189). Hunter Ratley was 4-0 at 152 pounds.

      Henderson County beat Calloway County 39-36 to earn the region's other spot in the state duals, which will be Saturday at Lexington Henry Clay.

wow meade is gettin knockd  :|  .....thats not nice :oops:

I think they are overrated.  They better hope they don't end up in the same pool as Meade Co. next weekend, or it's curtains. :-D

Meade will be going to union county next week I think

Meade will be going to union county next week I think

If Union's Varsity wrestlers all wrestle in your dual, I predict a final score of 65-3.  You should prepare the boys.

If Union's Varsity wrestlers all wrestle in your dual, I predict a final score of 65-3.  You should prepare the boys.

Who are you predicting to win from Meade?  Heavy?

Who are you predicting to win from Meade?  Heavy?

Yes

Yes

That makes me sad.  Makes me even sadder that you have it as a decision.  That means he'll be on the mat 6 minutes.  That's extra clean up time afterwards.

Henderson, Union teams advance to state duals

Gleaner staff

Tuesday, January 22, 2008

PRINCETON, Ky. -- Union County won Saturday's regional duals at Caldwell County, while Henderson County finished second as both teams will advance to the state duals this weekend in Lexington.

      Union County fielded two teams in the competition and both were unbeaten. The varsity (White) team posted wins over Calloway County JV 84-0, Fort Campbell 80-0, Daviess County 65-18, Calloway County varsity 78-6 and Henderson County 72-12. The junior varsity (Blue) beat University Heights 74-3, Ohio County 60-16, Henderson County 36-33, Calloway County JV 84-0 and Apollo 84-0.

      Going 5-0 for the Braves' varsity were Jarvis Elam (103 pounds), Isaac Thomas (112), Aaron Carr (119), Jake Wempe (125), Caleb Ervin (130), Luke Ervin (135), Matt Young (140), Isaac Ervin (145), Mitch Ervin (160), Jarrod Burke (171) and Tim McKenney (189). For the JV team, Neal Reburn (103), Cody Quinn (112), Keaton Thomas (119), Duncan Taylor (125) and Jimmy Jones (189). Hunter Ratley was 4-0 at 152 pounds.

      Henderson County beat Calloway County 39-36 to earn the region's other spot in the state duals, which will be Saturday at Lexington Henry Clay.

lol union county is so amazing that the Henderson paper only reports union results

I think they are overrated.  They better hope they don't end up in the same pool as Meade Co. next weekend, or it's curtains.  :-D

wow meade county is getting alittle cocky...how did they do in state duals? and we can also see how they do in state...

wow meade county is getting alittle cocky...how did they do in state duals? and we can also see how they do in state...

THEY were not last :-D

lol that was sumone makin fun of meade....lol we like tied for 13th lol :|

Union County is a very good team from top to bottom, and they are arguably the best in Ky (this year and last)  But if Union County really wants to be a perennial powerhouse then they must continue their  winning ways for the next twenty years. It is then and only that they should be mentioned in the same sentence with schools like Trinity and Woodford County.  Schools such as these have prestigious programs that are creating 4th and 5th generations of wrestlers who have enough character not to look for kudos for having 2 good years.  The true test of a great program is not a state title, it is time. 

and I agree with you Yoda. You summed that up great. Only time will tell if Union is back to their old days with greatness all around. Maybe if they win their 5th state title this year and keep up the outstanding performances, argueably could be one of the best well behind woodford of course. I personally think they will keep up their greatness, the are going for their 5th straight regional title this year and 3rd year in the top 4 at state.

Union County is a very good team from top to bottom, and they are arguably the best in Ky (this year and last)  But if Union County really wants to be a perennial powerhouse then they must continue their winning ways for the next twenty years. It is then and only that they should be mentioned in the same sentence with schools like Trinity and Woodford County.  Schools such as these have prestigious programs that are creating 4th and 5th generations of wrestlers who have enough character not to look for kudos for having 2 good years.  The true test of a great program is not a state title, it is time. 

wow...did you just say Trinity?  :-o :-o I don't know HOW you are lumping Trinity in with Woodford and ahead of Union.  Especially mentioning "over time".  Do a little research and you'll find that Union has 4 team titles compared to Trinity's 1.  Union is clearly more of a perennial power than Trinity.  Trinity has a very bright future, no doubt...but give Union their dues.

http://www.khsaa.org/records/wrestling/teamtitlerecords.pdf

Plus Union's middle school program is trucking along in high gear.  I agree everyone's chasing after Woodford for the state's premier program, but Union has got a big head start on 95% of the rest of the schools.  Campbell could make a case over Union (in the past 20 years), but certainly not Trinity.

Union County is a very good team from top to bottom, and they are arguably the best in Ky (this year and last)  But if Union County really wants to be a perennial powerhouse then they must continue their  winning ways for the next twenty years. It is then and only that they should be mentioned in the same sentence with schools like Trinity and Woodford County.  Schools such as these have prestigious programs that are creating 4th and 5th generations of wrestlers who have enough character not to look for kudos for having 2 good years.  The true test of a great program is not a state title, it is time. 

Yoda, or should I call you Confucius. I see you are a novice to KyWrestling.com.  I have several issues with your above comment. First, Union County is one of, if not the most, prestigious wrestling programs in the Commonwealth of Ky. Pioneer_pride has already listed their state titles. I will give a few other examples. Union County has CLASS, starting with their wrestlers, to their fans, and ending with their coaches! They are not sore winners and they certainly are not sore losers. Personally, I am proud to have Union County in Ky. The Ervin boys/men are a classy group of competitors and have been since the late 70's and early 80's. I don't know the Ervin's personally, but I don't believe they desire kudos, I believe they are simple people who just settle for the GOLD.

Trinity has assembled an excellent group of wrestlers and coaches and will certainly make their mark on this generation. Currently, Trinity has a great program, but they need time to establish themselves, not Union County.

There are many great programs in Ky. From 1991 to 2004, Campbell County won 4 state titles in addition to several state dual titles. I believe, Campbell County has won more state dual championships then any other team??? 

Woodford County is clearly and unquestionably Ky's powerhouse. They have the most individual state champs as well as team titles. They are the kings of Ky.

Campbell County won 3 state titles, not 4,  from 1990 to 2004. 

Union County is a very good team from top to bottom, and they are arguably the best in Ky (this year and last)  But if Union County really wants to be a perennial powerhouse then they must continue their  winning ways for the next twenty years. It is then and only that they should be mentioned in the same sentence with schools like Trinity and Woodford County.  Schools such as these have prestigious programs that are creating 4th and 5th generations of wrestlers who have enough character not to look for kudos for having 2 good years.  The true test of a great program is not a state title, it is time. 

I don't really understand why you wrote this. The thread wasn't started by a UC wrestler, it was someone who was wanting peoples opinions about Union County.

Union County is a very good team from top to bottom, and they are arguably the best in Ky (this year and last)  But if Union County really wants to be a perennial powerhouse then they must continue their  winning ways for the next twenty years. It is then and only that they should be mentioned in the same sentence with schools like Trinity and Woodford County.  Schools such as these have prestigious programs that are creating 4th and 5th generations of wrestlers who have enough character not to look for kudos for having 2 good years.  The true test of a great program is not a state title, it is time. 

I have only one comment for this guy. LOL

True! that really made me laugh

They must not have been up to date on the history of KY wrestling. Dont know numbers but I would guess union has more than trinity does.

I don't like to debate over red herrings, well actually i do, but fortunately i ve grown.  It is so easy to read a post and pick one sentence to disagree with, then use that one sentence as a seemingly devastating blow to the fabric of that persons premise.  The primary point is that yes Union is a great team (even though i 've heard they got beat by Trinity in state duals) but to evolve into a great program it takes time.  I wish them the best this state needs other great programs.  My question is how long can they maintain their present level of excellence and how will they compete with Joe Carr's' boys when they reload. (which unfortunately for Harrison Courtney is at least 3 years away)

So are you saying that Union is kind of like the flavor of the day or what? I don't understand what you want us to think. You sound as if you are trying to say as if they are just good for now and won't really sustain this momentum. Guess only time will tell. I'm not one to get into debates about whohas tradition and who doesn't. I grew up watching all those traditional teams that you speak of, and would rank Union right behind Woodford. Trinity would definitely be in the top ten, but I can think of teams that have more tradition than them.

As far as State Duals is concerned, every Union County wrestler knows that it is our Destiny to never win it. So not winning it this year doesn't really hurt my feelings, just fuels the drive for State even more.

   My question is how long can they maintain their present level of excellence and how will they compete with Joe Carr's' boys when they reload. (which unfortunately for Harrison Courtney is at least 3 years away)

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Here's a question for you, What was Joe Carr's record versus Union County? Now you will see some historical figures. :-D

Yodawrestles,

There is no need to bring Trinity into your comparisons.

Trinity has the utmost respect for Union County.

Yodawrestles,

There is no need to bring Trinity into your comparisons.

Trinity has the utmost respect for Union County.

Ditto that sentiment.  I have been involved in the wrestling world for only the past 4 years and Union is always a dominant force to wrecken with.  Yoda, off base, you are.

Union has the respect for trinity too... love the matchups... and the reason joe carr didnt win 5 state titles is because of a union county wrestler named Greg Woodring. Carr would be the lone 5 time champ if it wasnt for the heart of a great man determined to win.

They must not have been up to date on the history of KY wrestling. Dont know numbers but I would guess union has more than trinity does.

Trinity-(1)-1989

Union-(4)-1976,1980,1982,2007

The primary point is that yes Union is a great team (even though i 've heard they got beat by Trinity in state duals) but to evolve into a great program it takes time.  I wish them the best this state needs other great programs.   My question is how long can they maintain their present level of excellence and how will they compete with Joe Carr's' boys when they reload. (which unfortunately for Harrison Courtney is at least 3 years away

RELOAD?

112-Isaac Thomas-11th

119-Arron Carr-11th

130-Caleb Ervin-9th

135-Luke Ervin-11th

140-Matt Young-10th

145-Isaac Ervin-11th

215-Levi Griggs-11th

JV-189-Tim McKenney-9th(looked good this weekend at the duals)

plus a very good looking middle school team, so we're not reloading we're maintaining. lol

RELOAD?

112-Isaac Thomas-11th

119-Arron Carr-11th

130-Caleb Ervin-9th

135-Luke Ervin-11th

140-Matt Young-10th

145-Isaac Ervin-11th

215-Levi Griggs-11th

JV-189-Tim McKenney-9th(looked good this weekend at the duals)

plus a very good looking middle school team, so we're not reloading we're maintaining. lol

i believe he was talkin about when woodford reloads, but i do agree that union will stay tough for a while

I would love to see both of them back at top notch. That just makes Kentucky look better. I hope that we grow more and more over the next few years so that we have State competition between several schools and not just the elite ones with feeder programs. Kentucky needs to really grow in wrestling to catch up with some of the surrounding states.

[shadow=red,left]Union has the respect for trinity too... love the matchups... and the reason Joe Carr didn't win 5 state titles is because of a union county wrestler named Greg Woodring. Carr would be the lone 5 time champ if it wasn't for the heart of a great man determined to win. [/shadow]

Please  don't get your speedoes in a bunch I am really not trying to diminish Unions accolades.  All that was meant was Union has a good team.  We will only be able to tell if it is a great program in the future.  I wasn't speaking of individual accomplishments.  Sure Joe Joe might have lost to the Union Guy, and the Union kid was most likely very good.  Unfortunately for Union, Joe's team won out over Union not just that year but every year he was there.  A programs success is determined by how instrumental it is in developing everyone involved through out its existence.  Sure Union won 4 state titles in 32 years (YEAAAAHHH!!!! I'm happy 4 them) but this recent championship (I believe) is under a different administration (coach, A.D, Ass Coaches etc)  Sorta like the Cleveland Browns are still the Browns but Not really the Browns.  The only fair way to judge Romeos new Browns is to give em 10-20 years then look back over its history.  Only time will tell if this is a good program or a great one.  How many collegiate, Olympic wrestlers come out of the program, how many middle, high and collegiate coaches, how many legacy's wrestlers, how many A.D's etc....Its just not about the individual state tournament...Its about the duration of elevation.  Which is my science of of success.

ok unions 4 titles came by luck. i guess theyll never be "trinity" but its obvious woodford has dominated wrestling in ky since its existence. how many years has trinity had a team, and they should win state every year with how many guys they have in their high school to choose from. its hard for a small school like union to keep numbers up. I think the legacy wasnt made by Coach Walls but continued by Coach Walls...

ok unions 4 titles came by luck. i guess theyll never be "trinity" but its obvious woodford has dominated wrestling in ky since its existence. how many years has trinity had a team, and they should win state every year with how many guys they have in their high school to choose from. its hard for a small school like union to keep numbers up. I think the legacy wasnt made by Coach Walls but continued by Coach Walls...

I'd think it would be better to be on a team from a small school. Those teams are so tight nit and all they have to do is wrestle I mean theres nothing else to do in places like LaRue County, Union County, or over in Eastern KY like Wayne County. But what I'll say for who will win state is which team will stay focused, healthy, and simply win. Teams like Campbell County, Ryle, and Wayne County and just chomping at the bit listening to all this talk about Trinity and Union County (the two teams everyone expects to be fighting for it) but don't be suprised if those three teams aren't right behind Union and Trinity's heels.

IMO Trinity got pretty lucky from Coach Hitchings' move from the Fern Creek Club to start a middle school program at Trinity. Just think, if Hitchings had moved to Trinity just one year later, most of Trinitys lineup would be at Fern Creek right now. Trinity will be dominant for a few years but once Hitchings, Ohlmann, Bradbury, Lewis, Harbolt, McCauley etc. graduate, who's left? Of course Brent Hitchings, but other than that? To me it looks like Yoda is describing what looks like is gonna happen at Trinity.

wayne could be right there with a possiblity of 3 champs and a bunch of placer.

[shadow=red,left]   Only time will tell if this is a good program or a great one.  How many collegiate, Olympic wrestlers come out of the program, how many middle, high and collegiate coaches, how many legacy's wrestlers, how many A.D's etc....Its just not about the individual state tournament...Its about the duration of elevation.  Which is my science of of success.

So how many has Trinity produced?

Do your homework.

Examples for you to look up: Tim Ervin,Jason Walls,Danny Lovell here's a few. lol

Overrated or not I hope that Union wins this year.