I heard that these might be the new region alignment for 2008-09 wrestling season.

Region 1                Region 2              Region 3                  Region 4

UHA                      Apollo                  Central                    Ballard

Caldwell Co.            Central Hardin        Desales                    Eastern

Calloway Co.          Daviess Co.          Doss                        Fern Creek

Christian Co.          Fort Knox              Fairdale                    Jeffersontown

Fort Campbell          John Hardin          Holy Cross                KCD

Henderson Co.        LaRue Co.            Iroquios                    Manual

Hopkinsville            Meade Co.            KSB                          Moore

Paducah                North Hardin          PRP                          Seneca

Trigg Co.                Ohio Co.              Shawnee                  Southern

Union Co.                                          Valley                      St Xavier

                                                      Western                    Trinity

Region 5                  Region 6                Region 7                  Region 8

Anderson Co.            Boone Co.            Bourbon Co.              Ashland

Bullitt Central          Campbell Co.          Bryan Station            Johnson Cent.

Franklin Co.              Conner                  Harrison Co.              Lawrence Co.

Nelson Co.              Dixed Heights          Henry Clay                Letcher Co. Cen.

North Oldham          Holmes                  Lafayette                Onedie Bapt.

Oldham Co.              Newport                McCreary Cent.          Perry Co. Cent.

South Oldham          Ryle                      Paul Dunbar              Prestonburg

Western Hills            Scott                    Tates Creek              Sheldon Clark

Woodford Co.          Simon Kenton          Wayne Co.                Whitley Co.

Is this what you think it should be, or someone of authority told you?

Where is Danville in all this if this is true.

Looks good as far as region 1 and 2 ,geographically.

Danville would be in Region 7.

Gotcha.

I hope that wouldn't be true for the louisville area schools, Region 3 would be easy and region 4 would be super tough.  Central and Prp would probably take every person on their team in that case.  I would say it could be done with those teams, but you would have to split up the schools a little better.  maybe put southernand Moore on the region 3 side.

                Region 3                  Region 4

                  Central                    Ballard

                  desales                    Eastern

                  Doss                        Fern Creek

                  Fairdale                    Jeffersontown

                  Holy Cross                KCD

                  Iroquios                    Manual

                  KSB                          Moore

                  PRP                          Seneca

                  Shawnee                  Southern

                  Valley                      St Xavier

                  Western                    Trinity

back in the 90s when i wrestled southern x and trinity were in the 3rd ksb and central were in the 4th i think and the 3rd was pretty tough but there are also a lot of new schools like holy cross manual and iroquios

Why would Whitley stay and Wayne and McCreary move out of region 8?

Whitley is next to McCreary county.

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Why would Whitley stay and Wayne and McCreary move out of region 8?

Whitley is next to McCreary county.

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Trigg county doesn't have a team. From what I have heard, the chances of a new team at Trigg are not good. 

that would be good for region 8. travel time from McCreary, Wayne ,and Whitley to Ashland, Johnson, or Sheldon Clark is just to long.

that would be good for region 8. travel time from McCreary, Wayne ,and Whitley to Ashland, Johnson, or Sheldon Clark is just to long.

Harrison and Bourbon aren't exactly right next door though.

I don't especially like this.  Just when Bullitt Central and Meade were starting to build Region 3 they get moved and replaced with Central and KSB.  What sense does that make?  Central is a good addition, but not KSB.  Plus losing Southern (in addition to Meade and BC) makes the region weaker overall (not what needs to happen).  And I agree, Region 4 looks pretty ugly (Trinity, Seneca, St X, Fern Creek, Eastern, Moore).

man indivdual wise region 4 would look STACKED!!!

Region 5- OC, South, North, Woodford.  That'll be fun.

I never thought it would possible for Region 3 to get any worse.  I would be wrong.  No offense to KSB or Central.

I think they should put Fern Creek and Seneca in region 3, and take out a few of the weaker teams.  This would make the region a little more legit. 

That is not a bad suggestion, but it would be more logical to put St. X & Moore in Region 3 & leave Southern there as well.  Those 3 schools are little closer to the west side of town.  Then again, since they are all in Louisville, why couldn't they just split the programs up randomly.  Or at least the programs that are more centrally located in Louisville.  You would obviously leave schools like Shawnee, Central & Western in Region 3 and leave schools like Eastern and Ballard in Region 4, but schools like St. X, Trinity, Moore, Seneca & Southern who are located 1/2 way between the east and west side of town could be split between the 2 regions.  With this supposed realignment, Manual is in Region 4 and they are closer to schools like Shawnee, Western & Central than Fairdale is.

St.X in region 3 wouldnt be bad.  I just hate seeing a region that is so close be fairly deep, and then theres us.  Take the schools from region 3 and 4, and make both regions deep.  Maybe then I wouldnt have to hear about how crappy region 3 is on here.  On a side note Meade County should have there own region all to themeselves.  They are that GOOD!!!! lol

Re alignment is done to try and balance the regions out geographically not competitively.

It is almost impossible for you to align regions according to strength.  Teams that are strong teams some years are no longer strong teams in a few years.  Those teams that were weak teams become strong teams.

Just 4 years ago, St. X and Moore, and Central, would be considers weaker teams. Now they are at near the top.  Less than 10 years ago Ballard was considered a strong team.

When thinking of alignment you think geographically, try to cut down travel time.  You consider the regional tournament and what bracket must be used?  With this alignment every region has 9 teams.  This means that a regional tournament must be held on 2 days (at least one round on day 1) so to miss the 5 match rule.

I would think that St X and Trinity would and should be in the same region whichever that region may be.

grappler - while I agree you can't base realignment completely on competitiveness, it has to be a major consideration.  And right to your point on the regional bracket, it doesn't make sense what is proposed here for region 4.  They would most likely have a few brackets with more than 8 kids.  9 teams is not a problem when you have a few that are not full lineups.  But when you put 11 teams in a region and 6+ are at least close to fielding a full team.

I like the reallignments.

Trigg County??

Trigg county doesn't have a team. From what I have heard, the chances of a new team at Trigg are not good. 

Jason Walls was trying to get a team going, startin with a middle school team and then get a high school team later on, but the school shut it down i guess, thats why hes the co-coach of caldwell this year.

With the Louisville area schools it is easy to realign them based on strength and not geography.  There are about 15-18 schools all withing 40 minutes drive so non of them are far away...you would not want a region with 8 top 25 teams in it every year while the other region  has one or two.  There are some teams that you can always count on being on the lower side just based on the number of kids in them....not to say the individual kids aren't good but team wise wouldn't be strong.  I think now with the current coaches at St. X, Moore and Central they will continually be in the top 5-6 in Jefferson County each year so it would be good to add them in with Trinity, Eastern and Seneca to keep them away from the same region.  Not to doubt you GOO but I don't think Ballard has ever been considered a strong team.  They were in our region when I was at J-town and we weren't a strong team by any means with 10 guys (in a good year) and we would be evenly matched.  They also haven't had a team for more than 10 years so it would have to have been less than that.  I graduated in early '90s and they didn't have a team then.  It wouldn't necessarily take two days to do the tournaments, it just depends on the number of kids each team has but again for the louisville are schools it would be easy to do two rounds on a friday and come back the next day at 10 and finish them up in just a few hours time.

Re alignment is done to try and balance the regions out geographically not competitively.

It is almost impossible for you to align regions according to strength.  Teams that are strong teams some years are no longer strong teams in a few years.  Those teams that were weak teams become strong teams.

Just 4 years ago, St. X and Moore, and Central, would be considers weaker teams. Now they are at near the top.  Less than 10 years ago Ballard was considered a strong team.

When thinking of alignment you think geographically, try to cut down travel time.  You consider the regional tournament and what bracket must be used?  With this alignment every region has 9 teams.  This means that a regional tournament must be held on 2 days (at least one round on day 1) so to miss the 5 match rule.

With the Louisville area schools it is easy to realign them based on strength and not geography.  There are about 15-18 schools all withing 40 minutes drive so non of them are far away...you would not want a region with 8 top 25 teams in it every year while the other region  has one or two.  There are some teams that you can always count on being on the lower side just based on the number of kids in them....not to say the individual kids aren't good but team wise wouldn't be strong.  I think now with the current coaches at St. X, Moore and Central they will continually be in the top 5-6 in Jefferson County each year so it would be good to add them in with Trinity, Eastern and Seneca to keep them away from the same region.  Not to doubt you GOO but I don't think Ballard has ever been considered a strong team.  They were in our region when I was at J-town and we weren't a strong team by any means with 10 guys (in a good year) and we would be evenly matched.  They also haven't had a team for more than 10 years so it would have to have been less than that.  I graduated in early '90s and they didn't have a team then.  It wouldn't necessarily take two days to do the tournaments, it just depends on the number of kids each team has but again for the louisville are schools it would be easy to do two rounds on a friday and come back the next day at 10 and finish them up in just a few hours time.

I wasn't sure of the years for Ballard but it was 02 and 03 when they tood about 10 to the state each year.

In '02 Ballard sent 10 wrestlers to state and won 6 matches total.  In '03, they sent 10 wrestlers to state and won 15 matches total.  Of those 15, Jordan Lewis won 5 and the 112 state title.

If there is anyone going to start a wrestling program at any school, think about Pike central, I miss there wrestling program

This would make region 8 Sheldon Clark's region =P

Where is Montgomery County in this?

Are we just doing away with them?????????

I hope your wrong Danger.  Region 3 would be dominated by Central and PRP.  Region 5 would cause a lot of good kids to miss the big show.

          Region 3                                                                          Region 4

          Central    -  Solid, with Coach Founder at the helm                  Ballard        -  Gone but not forgotten

          desales    -  Hasn't shown much lately                                  Eastern      -  Re-building some good young guys

          Doss        -  Rumor has it, they may drop program                  Fern Creek  -  Down but never out, Middle S back to kickin butt

          Fairdale    -  Trying, but not making much head way                Jeffersontown  -  Re-building, signs of hope

          Holy Cross  - 1 kid,  smallest freshman class in school history    KCD              -  Hanging by a thread

          Iroquios    -  Building slowly                                                Manual          -  Up and coming, future looks bright

          KSB          -  2 kids?                                                          Moore            -  Solid, and moving up

          PRP          -  Solid, always tough                                          Seneca          -  Always good, no signs of letting up

          Shawnee  -  trying, outlook grim                                          Southern        -  Building, and on the move up

          Valley      -  Fall fast, very fast                                            St Xavier        -  Starting to look like the old St. X

          Western    -  Needs a miracle                                                Trinity            -  Rockin, up and ready, title in site

This would be ridiculous,  Region 3 would only have two teams with full line-ups.  Region 5 with Trinity and Seneca being future title contenders, St. X head that way, Fern Creek can always bring it, Moore and Southern better each year would make for and unbalanced Jefferson county.

Region one has 12 teams in it right now. There is no problem with the five match rule. If you think there will be a problem then you need to make sure you do a better job of seeding. From what i have heard so far most regions have teams that don't field full teams and would end up with 8 kids in each bracket. Like i said region 1 has 12 teams and doesn't have the 5 match problem!!!!!!!

While seeding can help it can't eliminate the problem of 5 match rule.  If you get a kid who just pulls an upset on the second round it then forces the higher seed to wrestle all the way to the 3/4th place finish but not be able to do the last match because of the match rule.  It is going to happen as it did this past weekend at the jv state.  We had one kid who had to forfeit 3/4 because he already had 5 matches.  You just don't want that to be the determining factor for a regional final wether the kid gets third or fourth and then have to wrestle a 1 seed in state rather than a 2 seed.  But for jefferson county region we don't have the travel time or distance as some other regions so it would be no big deal to split it into one night and the next day.

Region one has 12 teams in it right now. There is no problem with the five match rule. If you think there will be a problem then you need to make sure you do a better job of seeding. From what i have heard so far most regions have teams that don't field full teams and would end up with 8 kids in each bracket. Like i said region 1 has 12 teams and doesn't have the 5 match problem!!!!!!!