who is the top 5 this year

1st- Woodford

2nd- Larue

3rd- South Oldham

That is all I know of. I think the others will be a throw up for wo brings a full healthy team.

I think we are in store for one of the better state duals in a long time. Woodford, LaRue, Harrison and South Oldham will all be in the hunt for the championship and it's gonna come down to the pool seeds (as usual) on who will be in the finals. LaRue is a much "better" team with Hines @103, Carman @ 112 and Perez @ 119 along with everyone else being healthy (and in shape). My guess is Larue should be the #2 seed and Harrison the #3 with South as #4 after the Five Star this past weekend. That should put WC and LC on opposite sides with both of them having to get through one of the other two in order to make the finals. Throw in Ryle and Campbell (I assume from Region 6) and nothing is going to be certain though. I don't think this state duals is a cake-walk for anybody including WC.

You assume correctly, Pappy. Campbell Co. and Ryle will be representing the 6th region at State Duals. Scott, Simon Kenton or both could be in one of the open spots.

Pappy - I have to disagree with the #3. Yes, Harrison finished higher at the 5 star, but with that format you can't totally believe the team scores. South Oldham had Campbell Co in their pool vs John Hardin for Harrison, not exactly equal competition. Head to head I definitely give the advantage to South Oldham. Also, go back a couple weeks and South Oldham dominated the Conner tournament (including Harrison). But I agree with all else. It should be a great dual tournament. Exciting re-match between Woodford and Larue in the finals. But a lot of work and tough teams to beat to get there.

I know the one and two team from each region are on opposite sides.

Who or how is it determined which team is seeded where?

Do the coaches pick?

Is it past results?

I heard that's why Conner never attends "when eligble" because of the format :?:

Yes, Woodford and Larue are probably the top two teams currently,

how they pick 3-6 will be interesting.

No offence to the dragons at all. As I said, I based my conclusion on the five star finish alone. I agree, that format is not like an individual tourney format but neither is state duals, what may be a good tourney team may not be a good duals team..etc. That being said, I guess S.O. and Har. can be switched up if that's what the coaches choose to do but ultimately the pools would be about the same plus you throw in some of these other squads from around the state and things could get very interesting. I've always drawn the conclusion that at state duals, it's the pool draw and how you match up with the teams in your pool. Like last year with LaRue and Ryle, Ryle kicked our tails simply because we did not match up with them at all but at the state tourney, we ended up tied with them...go figure!

I give SOuth Oldham the 3 seed b/c Harrison will not be there this yr. B/c @ the Region 7 Duels Dunbar beat Harrison Co. and Henry Clay is already attending b/c the tourney is at there place.

Out of region 7 is Woodford, Dunbar, Henry Clay

@#^*&(^% that shoots my theroy all to #$^$&^%. How bad did PD beat Har. Co anyway?

They only beat us by like 6 or 9 but I didn't wrestle and our 119 and 160 were both out so I would really have liked a rematch before the state duals.

The State Duals tournament is not a KHSAA sponsored event, hence, Henry Clay plays host every year. To "qualify", a team must place 1st or 2nd in their respective regional duals. That leaves four "open" spots to fill up the pools. It's not clear as to the criteria involved in the invitation to these filler schools. Conner does not attend because Coach Badida refuses to "brawl" in the seeding meeting. Look at the past years' pools and it's obvious to see the how uneven the match-ups are.

I guess after coaching 35 years, Coach B figures it's not worth the hassel. This is where wrestling becomes a team sport. Guys get moved up and in and out of line-ups depending on the competition of that other particular team. This is where coaching strategies will weigh-in, as much if not more, than an individual wrestler's abilities.

Oh yeah. I forgot to mention that too. Harrison is on the outside looking in for now.

And why does hosting get you into the tournament. If that's the case let's let Frankfort and Franklin Co. have automatic berths to the state tournament.

Well Ranger the Duels are at HEnry Clay High School. The Civic Center has nothing to do with Frankfort, FC, or Western Hills. We all know it is held there.

The State Duals tournament is not a KHSAA sponsored event' date=' hence, Henry Clay plays host every year. To "qualify", a team must place 1st or 2nd in their respective regional duals. That leaves four "open" spots to fill up the pools. It's not clear as to the criteria involved in the invitation to these filler schools. Conner does not attend because Coach Badida refuses to "brawl" in the seeding meeting. Look at the past years' pools and it's obvious to see the how uneven the match-ups are.

I guess after coaching 35 years, Coach B figures it's not worth the hassel. This is where wrestling becomes a team sport. Guys get moved up and in and out of line-ups depending on the competition of that other particular team. This is where coaching strategies will weigh-in, as much if not more, than an individual wrestler's abilities.[/quote']

1. Each region decides who will be sent to represent threir region. Some regions have set up dual tourneys (Example region 6) others have a day of duals (I believe region 7 does this) others have the coaches choose by the results of the duals wrestled already during the year.

2. If each region sends 2 teams then there are no spots available. Region 3 and Region 1 rarely send two teams to represent thier region. When this happens the host team gets the 1st open spot (Henry Clay). After this other top teams are asked to compete in the tourney.

If Harrison Co. does not get one of those invites then it is a travesty. They are definately one of the top teams in the state. When they have thier whole team healthy they are difficult to defeat.

I may be wrong on some of this but I know this is how it was originally set up.

Campbell Co seems to have two faces this year. They looked really good against South Oldham at the 5 star, and then got straight smoked last night against Fern Creek.

Hopefully the team that hung with South Oldham shows up at the state duels. Although i was VERY impressed with Fern Creek ... they are a very good team i haven't heard as much about on here as i should. I didn't see one guy in that lineup that was a gimme match. Have they dueled South Oldham or LaRue ?

On another topic, I will concede now that i've seen Wolsiefer wrestle he is an animal. I still think Austin Cooper would win ... a match i can't wait to see though. Wolsiefer will be a two timer if he doesn't win it this year.

I will say last year's pools were ridiculous. Ryle, Campbell Co, and Trinity were all in the same one.

Yea Dunbar beat harrison by a mear 3 or 6 points, but Harrison had 4 of their varsity boys out that day to sickness throughout their school. Dunbar and Harrison were supposed to dual this weekend and Dunbar backed out, I think Coach Watts is scared of them, by Commiting to the Harrrison Rumble and then dropping out. I definetley think Harrison County should get an invite to the tourney, with a full healthy team there hard to beat just like any other top team in the state.

ok so before allamerican125 gets his panties all up in a bunch, dunbar did not back out away from harrison because they are scared, they backed out becuase there were only going to be 3 teams there, they instead are going to the franklin co. meet which is going to be a much better meet in preperation for state duals and the state tourny itself, infact i do believe both harrison and conner are now going to the franklin co. meet as well. And Dunbar was supposed to dual harrison last wednesday and harrison backed out, i dont think anyone is backing away from anyone, but i think harrison and dunbar will now deffinatley be gunning for each other, it could get interesting next time they meet

ha ha ... get it on.

ok so before allamerican125 gets his panties all up in a bunch' date=' dunbar did not back out away from harrison because they are scared, they backed out becuase there were only going to be 3 teams there, they instead are going to the franklin co. meet which is going to be a much better meet in preperation for state duals and the state tourny itself, infact i do believe both harrison and conner are now going to the franklin co. meet as well. And Dunbar was supposed to dual harrison last wednesday and harrison backed out, i dont think anyone is backing away from anyone, but i think harrison and dunbar will now deffinatley be gunning for each other, it could get interesting next time they meet[/quote']

I belive that Harrison back out of the weekday match because of that fact that they THOGUHT they were going to wrestle them on Saturday, so why have your kids cut wieght for a match that they are going to have to wrestle three days later?

Yes, the seed meeting will indeed be a brawl as to who is the number one, two, and three seeds.

How it gets seeded will be very interesting. Here is something to think about: LaRue beat Woodford in a head to head dual (I know that Woodford didn't have a full lineup and that will make a difference, but regardless LaRue won); Woodford beat South Oldham at KOB and LaRue beat South Oldham at Five Star. So based on this:

LaRue is the number one seed

Woodford is the number two seed

South Oldham is the number three seed

And I will throw in there Fern Creek as the number four

I have the feeling that at least two coaches will disagree with this seeding, Parks and Fiser, but Canter will press his point and seeds should be based on head to head comp first and not mere rankings.

Should be very interesting to see the seeds at state duals and be a fly on the seed meeting!!!!!

I agree with the bigcoach, but when it comes down to it, it really doesnt matter to the top 4 seeds how they are seeded.

As long as Larue and Woodford are #1&#2 in any order. Then fill in either SO or FC at 3 and 4. I'm sure Laure or Woodford doesnt care which they wrestle in semi's as long as its not each other.....

who will win state duals

who is going 2 state duals?

The seeding for this tournament is interesting, does anyone know the criteria?

Harrison County will now be attending the State Duals.

Harrison County will now be attending the State Duals.

Now if this isn't a kick in the head nothing is. They probably belong their more than half the teams that will be attending.

Enough partial information already...list..list..who's got the list? I can tell you from Region 2 is LaRue (obviously) and North Hardin (definite seconds place in region). Glad HC made very deserving of the invite. Now everyone post whose coming from your region.

Campbell Co. and Ryle from region 6; maybe Scott.

Thanks Peacemaker, I'll keep the list up til we get to 16:

LaRue

North Hardin

Campbell Co.

Ryle

Scott?

Next?

Don't forget Harricon Co., as well as Woodford Co. and Dunbar. Who's coming from the mountains?

South Oldham

Fern Creek

Wayne Co.

Harrison Co.

South Oldham

Fern Creek

St.X

Campbell Co.

Trinity

Woodford Co.

Dunbar

Ryle

Larue Co.

North Hardin

Scott?

Sheldon Clark?

Union Co.?

Henry Clay (host school) makes sixteen if I counted correctly. Usually only one team (Union) comes from Western KY. Great job fellas, hope this is right...now we can look at some possible matchups.

Could it be MCC from Region 8 instead of Sheldon Clark? Need help with this one.

i belive that mcc should go to the state duals because they have beat severl teams in the duals already and the beat conner and several more teams at capitol city classic

Yes Mccreary should be going but region 8 does not have a region duels,so they rely on last years results,which is way off base.It will be up to the committe to invite them.I believe they can duel with anyone besides the top 6 teams.

So now that we know the teams, does anyone know the pool assignments yet or the seeding? When is this released, be nice to get it ahead of time before we walk into the gym.

Final seedings will be done Saturday morning before wrestling begins. Should be very interesting!

Pappy,

Do you know the criteria used for seeding?

Well I do, but since not all of the 1st and 2nd place teams attend, and apparently Region 8 does not have a head to head duals format (I'm sure bacause of travel time to each of the schools), then it gets kind of crazy. Theoretically each region is represented by the #1 and #2 teams for total of 16 teams with four pools of four teams. Then you have to seed the #1 - #4 teams to head up each pool (where it gets sticky) like this year (LaRue or Woodford #1 or #2). The pool with the overall #1 seed would head up the pool on the opposite side of the #4 team seed overall. #2 and #3 would be the heads of the opposite pools. Then it's just a matter of getting the remaining teams seeded into their respective pools. It's not a perfect system by any means since not all #1 and #2 region teams particpate. You should not have to wrestle your regional opponent unless both of you make it to the finals (but again see references above). Are you thoroughly confused yet?

Eastern is going, I don't think it was on the list!

I have the official format with all teams (less actual seedings which will not be done until Staurday morning). I will be glad to forward to any interested parties if you PM me. Maybe one of you smarter guys than me could post it on here.

Scott High School not invited. Who does that leave for the sixteen?

What are going to be some good individual match-ups?

If LaRue and Woodford wrestle:

103: Parks (WC) vs. Hines (LC)

145: Courtney (WC) vs. Banks (LC)

160: Fyffe (WC) vs. Barnhill (LC)

Personally, i would also like to see a rematch of the 103 finals last year, Sullivan vs. Carr!!!

Region 1

10-Union County

Region 2

03-LaRue County

08-North Hardin

Region 3

No teams.

Region 4

05-Trinity

11-Seneca

Region 5

02-South Oldham

04-Fern Creek

12-Eastern

Region 6

06-Ryle

20-Campbell County

Region 7

01-Woodford County

13-Harrison County

15-Paul Dunbar

NR-Henry Clay

Region 8

07-Wayne County

17-Sheldon Clark

I know the 3rd region is pretty weak, but shouldn't they get to send at least one team?

HHSDad,

That's a hard choice.

Personally, I think talent should be the No. 1 criteria, followed by geography. I really don't care if Podunk County or whoever is represented.

Of course, that's the same reason I'm against automatic bids in the NCAA Tournament. I'd rather see a decent team get in the tournament that might win a couple of games instead of the Northeast Atlantic Conference champion just because they got hot at the right time against some pretty weak competition.

Here's something to think about: Caldwell Co., which is in region 1 is ranked 16th in the latest KWCA rankings. Henry Clay isn't even in the top 20. It seems somewhat suspect. Now, could be that some of the teams that were invited to attend declined, due to prior committments. I know that has happened in years past. I guess that hosting the event has its advantages.

This is yet another area where Kentucky wrestling needs to get itself in line, in order to be taken more seriously.

Here is what i have come down to... There are teams that have many good wrestlers and usually do pretty well in tournaments(these are the teams that are ranked high up on KWCA). Now there are many teams that for whatever reason do rather poorly in tournies; having only a few place, but they always wrestle incredible in dual meets (these are the teams that get invited to state duals even when others are ranked higher).

I think they should do away with State Duels all together; who picks the team anyway.

I think they should do away with State Duels all together; who picks the team anyway.

I believe top 2 teams from each region receive an invitation.

I agree with HHS dad region three could get at least one team in. I also believe the Harr. county and Mc Central will do great. 8)

Doss was invited and had to decline due to prior commitment

The invitation came after the other commitment was set

:shock: McCreary did not get invited... :shock:

Region eight doesn't have regional duals, so the top 2 teams does not always get to go. McCreary's coach has tried to set up numerous duals with Sheldon Clark, but they wouldn't dual us. We was even going to go there at any date/time that they wanted but no reply.

A couple of weights that I will be watching are 130 and 171. At 130 9 of my top 10 will be competing and at 171 11 of my top 13. That should provide for some exciting wrestling. Of course, strategy may mess some of that up with weight class shifting. The weakest classes look like 140 (only 3 top 10) and HWT (only 4 top 10). But those guys are still scoring team points and will play a big role in the outcome of some of these duals.

I believe we went throught this once before but a recap.

1. The state duals are not state sanctioned. The Kentucky Wrestling Coaches Association holds this event.

2. Every region 1-8 gets two teams entered into the state duals

3. Every region must come up with their own criteria on how their teams will be selected.

4. When the teams are selected by each region the names are sent to the coaches assosiation and then if any of those teams are unable to come then alternartanes teams are choosen.

5. Henry Clay (team hosting the event) will get the 1st spot open by another team unable to come.

6. As for how the alternate teams are choosen I don't completely know.

The bottom line is that every region is able to send 2 teams to the state duals. Teams decline for numerous reasons. (prior commitments, don't think they can compete, ect.)

I think they should do away with State Duels all together; who picks the team anyway.

Say it aint so....the state duals (while not KHSAA sanctioned) are VERY important to those of us teams who can compete for the title year in and year out. Most other wrestling states have some kind of state duals format. Evene the NCAA and other college divisions have their own national duals. I actually got to see the last day of this competition at Ohio State a few years ago where for the first time ever, the D1, D2, D3 and NAIA duals all took place on the same weekend. We look forward to this competition every year and make winning it one of our #1 goals. Region 1 teams have notoriously not been a part of this (other than Union County) over the last several years and I really don't know why. Maybe there is a big tournament in TN you all go to to help you place higher at state in February. I absolutely love the competition at the duals and this year especially looks to be set up for some dandy duals as well as individual matches. If we are to really promote wrestling in KY then we need to only hype the duals up and get them KHSAA sanctioned...not do away with them as you suggest.

I believe the KHSAA has at one time asked if wrestling wanted this event to be sanctioned. I think the overall consencus was no. If the state sanctioned this event then they would set up rigid rules on who may attend the tournament. It would prabably result in the tournament not having 16 teams in it sometimes.

As for the region 1 teams, I believe they do not attend because of travel reasons. This is a long trip for some of these teams.

These teams would have to leave very early in the morning to make the weigh ins on time. Or they would have to come up the night before. (This option is expensive and many of the schools cannot afford this expense)

The bottom line is that it must be a priority. Regions 1 and 8 have to take responsibility and ownership of their sport in their areas of the state. Geographically, we're not that big of a state. Look at Texas, Oklahoma or even Georgia. Expense may be a factor in regards to the travel aspect, but how many opportunities do some of these guys have to get to see their state capitol and Lexington? If Larue can do it, why not them? Canter is an exceptional coach, in that he has brought success to such a small school in an area with not nearly the resources that many of the larger schools enjoy. He has touched many lives and should be commended.

I think the state duals could move be moved from year to year from Lexington to Louisville and that way every other year it would be easier on the western and eastern teams. As for the coaches assications needs to put aside their like and dislikes for teams and envite the best teams from each regions. The excuse of turning down state duals becasue you have another comment should not be used. As a coach you should be striving to make it to state duals and leave that date open on your schedule. If you don't make it that year then I am sure you can either get in a smaller tourney our even take that weekend off and just have pratice. I do feel for the most part that the coaches do their best to get the right schools to come and I do feel every region should be represented. They can't make everyone happy so just move forward and we will see what this weekend holds in store.

Elizabethtown would be a great place for state duals. Central Hardin has the best "gym" that I have been to for wrestling with plenty of room on the floor and in the stands. The second floor walkway at the end of the gym is great for non-intrusive filming and Etown has plenty of affordable dining and hotels (and it's wet now for those of you who imbibe in the spirits). Ask anyone whose been to the middle school state tourney and I think they'll vouch for the amenities. Best of all, E'town is very centrally located (bout 4 - 4.5 hours from all extremes of the state...wonder if that's why it's called the "Hub City"? My vote is for CHHS.

What match-ups would u like to see this saturday in each weight class ?

I think what many of you forget is that wrestling in a minor sport in many of the school districts. They get little to no money for thier programs. If to many of them had to drive 3-4 hours for a tourney they would not attend.

It is impossible to leave that date open for the state duals. If you don't make the duals you have an open date. Many coaches will not except that. If everyone did this then there would be no tourneys available.

As for some of the coaches on the boarders they have the oportunity to attend tourneys that are tougher than the state duals. It took many of them several years to get invited to these tourneys and if they refuse to go one year they may never get back in.

With the state duals being in Lex/Lou area they are centralized around where most of the teams in Ky are located.

By putting the duals in E-town most of the teams will have a 3 hour drive to get there. Most of these teams cannot afford to spend the night. At $30-50 a room that gets expensive. Plus paying a bus driver for an overnight stay.

I know that the middle school state tourney is there and I know many who will be leaving that morning to weigh in at 7:00 A.M. Leaving at 3-4 in the morning is pretty early to start the day.

Who made it out of the 4 pools to wrestle in semis, they should be over by now.

Who made it out of the 4 pools to wrestle in semis' date=' they should be over by now.[/quote']

From what I was told the semi's are:

LaRue vs. Trinity

South Oldham vs. Woodford.

I don't know anything about individuals or other matches.

Larue vs. Woodford in the finals

Trinty vs. South Oldham for third and fourth

Larue 25 Woodford 3 through 145 lbs

The bottom line is that it must be a priority. Regions 1 and 8 have to take responsibility and ownership of their sport in their areas of the state. quote]

I wrestled for Caldwell Co. for many years. We went to State Duals a few times, when we had a team that could compete. We never could fill a full team, but we had 5-7 guys that could wrestle with anyone. Coach Walls stopped going because it was hard to go year after year and be down 18 or so points right off the bat.

With so many top ranked wrestlers at the duals:

Did any good matches happen or individual upset :?:

Some of the teams in the ppols had to have ranked kids match up :idea:

:shock: McCreary did not get invited... :shock:

Region eight doesn't have regional duals' date=' so the top 2 teams does not always get to go. McCreary's coach has tried to set up numerous duals with Sheldon Clark, but they wouldn't dual us. We was even going to go there at any date/time that they wanted but no reply.[/quote']

I talked to the Sheldon Clark Coach today and he said that is absolutley not true!! He said Mc never tried contacting them and when SC and MC were both at Bourbon County you never asked for a dual.

I believe the best match of the day was the Starks vs Jones match, just my personal opinion, there were alsmost too many good matches to count.

I believe the best match of the day was the Starks vs Jones match' date=' just my personal opinion, there were alsmost too many good matches to count.[/quote']

Who won :roll:

Did any of these ranked nineteens meet :?:

119

PD Tyler Voth

SO Daniel Murner

Wood Co John Smith

Sen John Chui

Way Co Bryan Daniels

Cam Co Talon Deinlein

Lar Co Darwin Perez

SK Dusty Brown

HC Cliff Cornett

Starks in sudden death I believe.

Are you guys talking about Will Starks by any chance

Yes we are talking about Will.

I wondered why Will Starks chose not to wrestle Ben Rupp. That could have been a good match. They were close at Woodford!

Will Starks didn't choose not to wrestle Rupp. It was coach parks's descision because he wanted to save starks for la rue county.

I guess he couldn't beat both. Not the sort of material real winners are made of.

Will Starks didn't choose not to wrestle Rupp. It was coach parks's descision because he wanted to save starks for la rue county.

What happen to Smith and Preze @19 :?:

Yea, we knew that! I guess the coach didn't have confidence that his man could win against both wrestlers.

Will Starks didn't choose not to wrestle Rupp. It was coach parks's descision because he wanted to save starks for la rue county.

No probably not, it's probably more like when the NFL rests players for more important games(just my hypothesis).

I don't by that since #2 Matt Byrd (Woodford) sat out against #1 Taylor Scherer also.

Who knows what their game is? It seems to be about winning by choosing the odds that suit your needs.

Eagle Pappy189 - It's not the wrestlers choice to wrestle or not wrestle. It's purely a coaches call. What is so hard to understand? Why take a chance and get your wrestler hurt if it has no bearing on the outcome of the match? Had Starks and Byrd's (I'm assuming is who you're talking about.) weight classes come up at the top of the round I'm sure they would have wrestled. I guess you can blame whoever drew out the weight class to start and put the team seedings together.

If it came down to it I'm sure both Starks and Byrd would have rather wrestled. I know I would have. After all this is why one makes the commitment and sacrifice each day to be the best.

In my years being involved in wrestling I can't recall any wrestler being to afraid of a little competition...no matter their experience level. I know for a fact that there were other matches that were not wrestled yesterday...for one reason or another. It's a coaches call...no matter what TEAM they wore on their chest.

I've seen this reply on several subjects from you.... So my two questions to you is what part of this TEAM COMPETITION don't you understand??? And do you REALLY think that Starks and Byrd went up to Coaches Park and Carr and said they did not want to wrestle? I know I personally wouldn't go up to any of my coaches and say that I didn't want to compete. I don't think any wrestler would...IF they did I wouldn't want them on my team.

And The WOODFORD TEAM lost to Larue County!!!

Eagle Pappy189 - It's not the wrestlers choice to wrestle or not wrestle. It's purely a coaches call. What is so hard to understand? Why take a chance and get your wrestler hurt if it has no bearing on the outcome of the match? Had Starks and Byrd's (I'm assuming is who you're talking about.) weight classes come up at the top of the round I'm sure they would have wrestled. I guess you can blame whoever drew out the weight class to start and put the team seedings together.

If it came down to it I'm sure both Starks and Byrd would have rather wrestled. I know I would have. After all this is why one makes the commitment and sacrifice each day to be the best.

In my years being involved in wrestling I can't recall any wrestler being to afraid of a little competition...no matter their experience level. I know for a fact that there were other matches that were not wrestled yesterday...for one reason or another. It's a coaches call...no matter what TEAM they wore on their chest.

I've seen this reply on several subjects from you.... So my two questions to you is what part of this TEAM COMPETITION don't you understand??? And do you REALLY think that Starks and Byrd went up to Coaches Park and Carr and said they did not want to wrestle? I know I personally wouldn't go up to any of my coaches and say that I didn't want to compete. I don't think any wrestler would...IF they did I wouldn't want them on my team.

No probably not' date=' it's probably more like when the NFL rests players for more important games(just my hypothesis).[/quote']

Didn't work out so well for the Colts.

I just wanna say I'm very impressed though not surprised with Malcom Jacksons performance. Now that he's off the injury list and in better shape he proved he's definately a top contender for the title this year at 130 by pinning Bowlds from trinity and nearly major-decisioning #1 or #2 brian peace from Ryle (13-6)

Did any of these ranked nineteens meet :?:

119

PD Tyler Voth

SO Daniel Murner

Wood Co John Smith

Sen John Chui

Way Co Bryan Daniels

Cam Co Talon Deinlein

Lar Co Darwin Perez

SK Dusty Brown

HC Cliff Cornett

Yea Murner and Smith wrestled murner won by min dec i think, voth min dec cornett perez min dec cornett perez min dec smith and thats all i know

oh yea and voth pin perez SPLADLE

oh yea and voth pin perez SPLADLE

Voth has one of the best spladles I've ever seen lol.

It seems like everybody is getting caught by it

Why don't people just avoid the single if they know he's so good at it..??

You mean the spladle? It's because it's one of those moves you almost never see coming because A.) Most people don't use it so most people don't know the feeling of when it's coming and B.) It's just a very hard move to counter if the other person is good at it.

I see what you're saying penguins. And thats all well and true, except for the fact that Voth is known for running the move. Idk, maybe he's just that good at it. But I figured if u know the kid is pinning some of the top ranked guys in his class with a move that is only hit as a counter to the single (unless he's just super strong, and that fast) Why would you shoot singles???

And wait, before I go on, I may be thinking of something entirely different. I was taught the spadle when a guy shoots a single leg. But maybe you're talking about from the top position. (Which I know that move as the banana split). Please correct me if I'm wrong.

How did Union Co do?

Are there any individual results?

What was the Banks/Courtney score? How did it go?

What was the Lewis (112) score? I'm surprised he didnt pin, he's usually a pinner. That would have changed everything....and like I said, WC really misses Rusty. Both for talent and leadership.

Lewis should have just been glad he won, that was a good and close match. Banks beat Courtney 4-2. Banks took Courtney down twice, and Courtney escaped twice i think.

I see what you're saying penguins. And thats all well and true' date=' except for the fact that Voth is known for running the move. Idk, maybe he's just that good at it. But I figured if u know the kid is pinning some of the top ranked guys in his class with a move that is only hit as a counter to the single (unless he's just super strong, and that fast) Why would you shoot singles???

And wait, before I go on, I may be thinking of something entirely different. I was taught the spadle when a guy shoots a single leg. But maybe you're talking about from the top position. (Which I know that move as the banana split). Please correct me if I'm wrong.[/quote']

no you are right he does it from a single leg position not from top hes just that quick and good at it i have seen him let kids take deep shots on him just so he can attempt it

Lewis should have just been glad he won' date=' that was a good and close match. Banks beat Courtney 4-2. Banks took Courtney down twice, and Courtney escaped twice i think.[/quote']

He optionally started once, so he only escaped once on his own.

thats because banks couldnt hold courtney down but on the other hand im sure banks felt he could take him down again

thats because banks couldnt hold courtney down but on the other hand im sure banks felt he could take him down again

Didn't look like he had trouble holding him down for pretty much the rest of the match :\

Don't get me wrong, Courtney is a great wrestler but on their feet(Courtney and Banks) Banks is just a better wrestler and Courtney has to find a way to keep it on the mat.

yea thats exactly the reason why banks let him up

maybe on their feet banks has a slight edge, on bottom it's hard to tell who's better bc they're both excellent wrestlers on top! i think courtney has the edge though...he rode banks just as long or longer then banks rode him..they pretty even great match of young talent!

I attended these State Duals for the first time this year. I thought they were alot of fun and I really enjoyed the whole day. Except for two things that need to be taken into consideration for future State Duals.

Wrestle the finals exclusively on a center mat with faceoffs!The championship was being wrestled at the same time as the other medal rounds and it caused for a chaotic finals round. I think the kids in the championship deserve an organized dual, wrestled in the center of the gym without any other wrestling. They also deserve a face off.

Crowd control was non existent for the final!There were way to many people on the floor. There's no need for all the other people on the mat screaming, jumping up and down and causing commotion and distraction, the setting was a little chaotic. The teams deserve a controlled setting to wrestle the match. The only wrestlers that needed to be on the floor were Larue and Woodford. They could have gone to one mat pulled the floor bleachers out a few rows and one team could sit on one side and one team on the other side of the gym well away from the mat.

Eville dad;

I believe they wrestle them all at the same time is so that they can get the tourney over at a decent hour.

Most coaches prefer to have the finals on as many mats as possible, so that they are finished faster.

Especially if they are not in the finals. Most tourneys wait until the end to pass out medals ect.. Those coaches not in the finals want to get home ASAP.

I'm basing this on the several coaches that I have dealt with in the past. Many of which attend or have attended the state duals either this year or in the past.

Even as a wrestler, many many moons ago, I personally didn't care for a face of. In my opinion it was a waste of time and a distraction from my routine for getting ready for the finals match.

Congradulations Larue.... Sorry I doubted you.

Eville dad;

I believe they wrestle them all at the same time is so that they can get the tourney over at a decent hour.

Most coaches prefer to have the finals on as many mats as possible' date=' so that they are finished faster.

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Grappler,

I understand the need to finish at a decent hour and I am all for it. But maybe they could find a way to work it out so the finals get the attention they deserve and still get out at a decent hour. I believe it would be worth the effort to make it happen.

One consideration could be to reduce the number of teams. Since some teams that qualify are opting not to come anyway maybe a 12 team format with 4 pools of 3 would make more sense, instead of scrambling to fill out a field of 16 teams.

Another consideration would be to only wrestle to 4 places. At least then you could have only two mats wrestling and you could face off all four teams and cut the number of people on the floor in half.

Just suggestions to consider to make an already great event even better!

Another consideration would be to only wrestle to 4 places. At least then you could have only two mats wrestling and you could face off all four teams and cut the number of people on the floor in half.

One of the lures of the state duals is that you will get 5 matches that day.

If you only got 3 matches that day and drove 2-4 hours to get there might reduce the interest of teams attending.

I think however having the last 4 teams on the floor at the end is a good idea. The other teams could leave if they want. No need to stay for trophies and such.

evilledad wrote:

But then if you cut it down to 12 teams then there will be some good teams left out. Just look at Harrsion co they finished 3rd in their region, but was invited to the duals at the last min. and turned around and took 5th place which a lot of people did not think would happen. They were one point away from beating south oldham, the even won 8 matches against them. State duals should stay the way it is right now, the only thing that should be changed is the location, try to find a bigger gym, not sure if there is any that could hold 6 mats, maybe dunbar could.