Need a little help...  Can you figure-4 the body in Kentucky? 

If a wrestler has a two on one tilt on wrestler, he gets his 3 back points and then brings him back up to his base, how much does he have to change his grip on that side for the ref to say its not the same move so he can get more back points.  A two on one with inside control is different than a two on one at the elbow and then a ratchet tilt is similar as well.  Do the ref's in Ky know the difference or will the wrestler have to hop over to the otherside or run another series like a ball and chain? 

In my experience as a ref in that situation, all i look for is that the kid breaks the lock. I have reffed Harrison Courtney several times and he knows what we are looking for, he works the tilts often. All he does is release the two and one for a second then goes back. Also the figure-4 around the body is not legal in any high school wrestling

In my experience as a ref in that situation, all i look for is that the kid breaks the lock. I have reffed Harrison Courtney several times and he knows what we are looking for, he works the tilts often. All he does is release the two and one for a second then goes back. Also the figure-4 around the body is not legal in any high school wrestling

Does the wrestler have to release both hands in the two on one or can he maintain wrist control with one and just look busy for a few seconds then try tilting again?

Just one and look busy

Just one and look busy

thats what i needed.  thank you

Technically the top wrestler has to go to another move (release at least one hand and work a different move) but if you just release one hand and look busy then go back to the tilt most refs will allow it. One example of this is, as I was Coaching Brad Cooper's match at nationals his senior year in college he tilted his opponent with a two on one, let him back to his base and released one hand basically waved at the ref and then tilted him again. The first time he did the ref gave him an additional set of back points, but then he tried it again and the ref caught on and told him to work another move. I hope this helps you out.

You can in no way figure four the body (Illegal)

Does the wrestler have to release both hands in the two on one or can he maintain wrist control with one and just look busy for a few seconds then try tilting again?

Correct, snapdown133.  The only place a true figure four is legal now is, with a wing in place, stepping across the head and a figure four of the head.  Even then, as a referee I would look to make sure breathing was not restricted.  If so, I would make a "potentially dangerous" call and restart.

Correct on the tilt series as well.  Actually, most experienced wrestlers pay attention to the referee counting points.  Once they know they have three, they will bring their opponent back to a base or on the mat, release one hand and then regain the grip.  Here is what really good wrestlers do...they will give up as little control as possible...while waiting for the referee to signal their back points.  Once the referee awards points, irregardless of whether or not you have maintained your grip or position, you are free to tilt again and score points.  The referee awarding points releases you to score again, even with the same hold. 

wrestling dad;

I'm not sure you are 100% correct on this one.  Just because the referee signals points does not mean that you are free to score again. 

I might agree if he signals 2 near fall.  But he could possibly signal a 3 near fall and still not give you additional points.  Especially if you have not released the hold.

I'm sure opposing coaches would argue the move was not broken.  An official can't say, "Since I already signaled the points he can get more". 

However< Good officials will not signal until the hold is broken, this is a good cue for the wrestler to tilt again but it does not garauntee more points.

Now if you tilt a wrestler with a two on one and your on his left side for instance... left hand has wrist control on his forearm and your right is around his body and you have the wrist.  You get your backs and let him up then move your left hand to the out side of his left elbow then have you broken the move?  Technically it's a different type of a two on one but it's still a two on one anyway you call it.  Back in my day I would hop over to the other side and tilt or atleast break a guy back down before going back to the original side to tilt again.