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Kentuckywrestling.com HS Rankings - 2008/2009 PRESEASON NOV 15

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We are less than 2 weeks from the official start of the 2008-2009 wrestling season.  I just noticed that the football state finals are scheduled for Dec 13.  Wow!  Is it always that late in the year.  So some guys still have a month before they hit the mat.

On to the point.  Dusty Brown said he was going to kill my dog if I didn't update the rankings, so here you go.  I have reviewed a few of the body fat test results and reflected the fact that some guys can't drop to certain weights, but there are still a lot of teams still to test.

103

1 Tri John Fahy 9

2 Let Co Cen Dakota Kincer 12

3 Lar Co Nick Paden 9

4 PD Pat Milford 11

5 Wood Co Robert Bracco 11

6 Sen Felix Casa del Valle 10

7 JH Wade Holtsclaw 8

8 Ohio Co Chase Boone 9

9 CH Dustin Jaggers 9

10 SO Corey Edons 10

11 Ft Knox Nick Waits 9

12 UH Wade Willen 8

13 Ryle TJ Ruschell 9

14 Cam Co Jake Wells 10

15 Sou Zack Tucker 10

16 Irq Kevin Nguyen 10

17 Pad Til David Dickson 11

18 Mon Co John Anderson

19 Chr Co Kory Polley 8

20 Meade Dillon Pike 11

112

1 Tri Myron Bradbury 11

2 Har Co Andy Lenz 12

3 Ryle Austin Palmer 11

4 CH Kyle Terry 10

5 Way Co Luke Troxell 9

6 Sen Jeff Warra 12

7 TC Zac Brown 11

8 Scott Ritchie Supe 10

9 Lar Co Justin Thompson 12

10 NH Coty Wood 12

11 Chr Co Dee Leavell 12

12 Cam Co Sean Hamons 10

13 JH Alex Murphy 9

14 JC Jayce Carr 9

15 St X James Severs 12

16 Laf Will Bryant 10

17 DH Michael Britton 11

18 Un Co Neal Reburn

19 Sou James Huffine 11

20 Man Conner Johnstone 10

119

1 HC Matt Zarth 12

2 Ryle Michael Osborne 11

3 Scott Steve Supe 11

4 NH Terrance Demery 11

5 Un Co Matt Young 12

6 JH Kirby Goodwine 11

7 SK Kevin Cooper 8

8 Lar Co Justin Thompson 12

9 Wood Co Mack Logsdon 11

10 Tri Sean Gillespie 12

11 Laf Jimmy Lacy 10

12 AB Nathaniel Bartram 11

13 Hop Tyler Martin 11

14 And Co Ben Joseph 12

15 St X Byron Hoskinson 11

16 Man Ben Schardein 10

17 BC Tyler Gies 10

18 Old Co Daniel Brenneman 10

19 Moore Shawn Cook 11

20 Jeff De Vonte Taylor 10

125

1 Un Co Aaron Carr 12

2 Cam Co Caleb Schneider 12

3 Eas Joaquin Luna 12

4 Sen Rayontez Harper 12

5 JH Houston Lundy 12

6 Fr Co Bryan Thompson 12

7 JC Zach Salyers 10

8 Ryle Kaleb Lonkard 10

9 Wood Co Travis Krauziewicz 11

10 SO Brandon Whitehouse 11

11 TC Kasey Hedges 12

12 Lar Co Christian Rojas 11

13 NO Chase Rusch 9

14 SK Korey Belew 11

15 Chr Co Austin Jones 10

16 Per Co Cen Brandon Feltner 12

17 Mc Cen Hurstle Upchurch 10

18 NH Malcolm Glover 10

19 FC Deshawn Barrow 10

20 Ft Knox Darcy Daniels 12

130

1 Un Co Caleb Ervin 10

2 SK Steve Norbury 12

3 Way Co Aaron Dodd 10

4 HC Jack Podgorski 12

5 Chr Co Dustin Thomas 11

6 Ryle Anthony Marlo 11

7 Coop TJ Bates 11

8 Cam Co John Hale 11

9 Lar Co Logan Hull 12

10 And Co Nick Isaacs 10

11 Whit Co Duncan Caddell 10

12 Cald Co Joe Young 10

13 BC Jordan Bernard 12

14 Man Sam Tongate 12

15 St X Tom Renfro 11

16 Tri Austin Pender 10

17 JH Chris Wallace 11

18 Moore Justin Keisker 9

19 Meade Joey Carter 11

20 Har Co Cody Ward 12

135

1 JH Josh Johnson 11

2 JC JJ Jude 9

3 Irq Rayshawn Graham 12

4 Ryle Matt Aylor 12

5 HC Cody Guiler 11

6 St X John Lampe 10

7 Sen Alex Henderson 11

8 Scott Zack Sowder 11

9 Har Co Trevor Maxwell 12

10 Un Co Isaac Thomas 11

11 BS Desmond Suter 12

12 Cam Co Brendan Lyle 12

13 Cen Omar Jarvis 9

14 Eas Tom Shirey 10

15 SO Steve Vaughn 12

16 Old Co Michael Toth 11

17 Fair Jake Maupin 9

18 Dav Co Alex Isbill 12

19 Ohio Co Patrick Bunch 11

20 Mc Cen Larry Sammons 9

140

1 Eas Justin Davis 12

2 Cam Co Dusty Brown 12

3 SC Matt Slone 11

4 Un Co Luke Ervin 12

5 JC Tyler Grimm 11

6 Tri Grant Ohlmann 11

7 Old Co Jeremy Bollman 12

8 Lar Co Shaquille Cox 10

9 Sen Ricky Wright 12

10 JH Jordan Murphy 11

11 Ohio Co Andy Kiper 12

12 CH John Erbele 12

13 NO Dan Thomson 11

14 Ryle Zack Roland 11

15 Moore Nick Vincent 12

16 AB Kristian Rigsby 12

17 Har Co Josh Moss 11

18 St X Jeff Franklin 12

19 Way Co Korey Smith 10

20 Dan Louis Beto 12

145

1 Cam Co Korey Shotwell 11

2 JC Jordan Freeman 12

3 Nel Co Jamie Pile 12

4 Moore Steve Willbanks 11

5 Bull Cen Akeem Bennett 12

6 Irq Antwan Fields 11

7 PD Logan Murrell 12

8 Ohio Co Adam Lynch 12

9 Pad Til Judson Pitman 12

10 CH Eric Jaggers 11

11 SO Cole Proctor 10

12 Man Tyler Ford 12

13 KCD Hardy Hendren 10

14 Un Co Matt Burke 12

15 NO Davis Dudley 12

16 JH Max Malito 11

17 Meade Ethan Medley 12

18 SC Casey Delong 11

19 Hop Zack Shaw 12

20 AB Kaleb Patrella 11

152

1 Un Co Isaac Ervin 12

2 Lar Co Des Jakes 12

3 Ryle Connor Coyle 10

4 PRP Dusty Stengel 12

5 SC Steven Marcum 12

6 Way Co Matthew Sullivan 11

7 Jeff Dair Shapirov 11

8 Sen Cameron Broussard 11

9 NO Jeff Thomson 12

10 Old Co Zach Talton

11 JC Todd Sites 11

12 St X Ross Robinson 11

13 Tri Erin McCauley 11

14 Meade Tanner Cole 12

15 Cam Co Justin Black 12

16 CH Tim Clem 10

17 Vall Kasey Autry 11

18 Let Co Cen BJ Allen 11

19 Man Travis Terranova 11

20 TC Andrew Wright

160

1 Wood Co Harrison Courtney 12

2 Bull Cen Jeremiah Walls 12

3 Cam Co Jake Lee 11

4 JH Chris Pitcher 12

5 Lar Co Bernard Ray 9

6 Sen Lofton Wright 11

7 Mc Cen Preston Shoopman 11

8 SO Spencer Warren 11

9 SC Austin Stepp 10

10 Tri Dylan Harbolt 11

11 Con Preston Adams 12

12 Cald Co Gavin Agnew 11

13 Meade Nelson Mason Jr 12

14 Fr Co Josh Broning

15 Ft Knox Brian Frazier 11

16 Har Co Seth Coy 12

17 Ryle Josh Parker

18 NO Kyle Forbes 12

19 Apollo Steven Randall

20 WH Mark Davis 11

171

1 Tri Brad Hitchings 11

2 SC Brad Stafford 11

3 Cam Co Nathan Ilg 11

4 Irq Alex Meads 12

5 Ft Knox Sean Garcia-Chavez 12

6 NH Marcell Haynes 12

7 Ohio Co Jordan Woolen 12

8 Old Co Taylor Menard 12

9 Fr Co Jeremy Gardner 11

10 PD Nick Leddy 12

11 Way Co Billy Floyd 12

12 Un Co Tim McKenney 10

13 St X David George 12

14 Chr Co Calvin McNeeley 12

15 And Co Marcus White 11

16 Mc Cen James Ball 11

17 Fair Tyler Cusack 12

18 Sou Evan Decker 11

19 Hop Darrick Dillard 12

20 Laf Dusty Thompson 11

189

1 SO Ryan Houchens 12

2 SK Matt Neal 12

3 Ryle Will Hogben 12

4 Tri Josh Lewis 11

5 TC Daniel Griggs 12

6 Cen Jordan Tennyson 12

7 Old Co Jeff Smith 12

8 Chr Co Mark Payne 12

9 UH Austin Connor 12

10 Un Co Jimmy Jones 10

11 Wood Co Bill Semones 12

12 Law Co Chris Kazee 11

13 Sou Jordan Blakemore 12

14 Irq Michael Snoddy 12

15 Scott Evan Holten 12

16 Way Co Cody Mink 10

17 Har Co Brandon Barnett 10

18 Hol Mark Jones 12

19 BC Brian Robertson 12

20 Sen Alex Stengel 11

215

1 SC Ryan Kelly 12

2 Old Co Ichiro Chiba 12

3 Way Co Tyler Pace 11

4 JH Glenn Frost 11

5 Cam Co Jacob Ilg 12

6 Ryle Jacob Bradford 12

7 Tri Brock Messina 12

8 Un Co Levi Griggs 12

9 Meade Tyler Crow 11

10 Lar Co Drew Newberry 9

11 Dan Evan Hester 12

12 JC Ryan Harlow 11

13 TC Dodd Kinder 11

14 AB Evan Holbrook 12

15 SK Alex Van Winkle 11

16 Per Co Cen Steve Hollon

17 And Co J Haddix 11

18 HC(L) Austin Jaggers 12

19 SO Adam Brown 10

20 Sen Jake Falone 11

285

1 Tri Jordan Whiting 12

2 Way Co Brandon Bell 11

3 TC Nathan Gray 12

4 Chr Co Houston Croney 12

5 Cen Mister Cobble 12

6 Mc Cen Vince Staten 10

7 JC Anthony Cantrell 11

8 And Co Zach Cotton 10

9 CH Will Battle 12

10 NH Justin Browder 11

11 Dav Co Eric Brewick 12

12 DH Joe Gronefeld 12

13 Old Co Andrew Avery 12

14 Cald Co Tanner Flynn 12

15 Eas Tyler Beckett 12

16 NO Spencer Gooch 12

17 Sen Cody Hall 12

18 Ryle Brandon Adams 11

19 SO Forrest Williams 12

20 BS Jesse Chilrey 11

Team

1 Trinity (Louisville)

2 Campbell Co

3 Union Co

4 Ryle

5 John Hardin

6 Johnson Central

7 Wayne Co

8 Larue Co

9 Sheldon Clark

10 Seneca

11 Oldham Co

12 Simon Kenton

13 South Oldham

14 Woodford Co

15 Henry Clay

16 Christian Co

17 Tates Creek

18 Eastern

19 Iroquois

20 Central Hardin

21 North Hardin

22 Harrison Co

23 Scott

24 St. Xavier

25 Bullitt Central

26 Ohio Co

27 Paul Dunbar

28 McCreary Central

29 Central

30 Fort Knox

31 Anderson Co

32 North Oldham

33 Moore

34 Franklin Co

35 Letcher Co Central

36 Meade Co

37 Dupont Manual

38 Nelson Co

39 Ashland Blazer

40 Caldwell Co

41 Pleasure Ridge Park

42 Southern

43 Jeffersontown

44 Lafayette

45 University Heights

46 Cooper

47 Boone Co

48 Bryan Station

49 Paducah Tilghman

50 Hopkinsville

51 Perry Co Central

52 Dixie Heights

53 Danville

54 Daviess Co

55 Whitley Co

56 Conner

57 Fairdale

58 Lawrence Co

59 Kentucky Country Day

60 Fern Creek

61 Valley

62 Apollo

63 Western Hills

64 Montgomery Co

65 Holy Cross (L)

Team Duals

1 Ryle

2 Trinity (Louisville)

3 Campbell Co

4 Union Co

5 John Hardin

6 Larue Co

7 Johnson Central

8 Seneca

9 South Oldham

10 Oldham Co

11 Tates Creek

12 Christian Co

13 Woodford Co

14 Sheldon Clark

15 Iroquois

16 Bullitt Central

Region Rankings (state scoring)

Region 6 - 490

Region 8 - 433

Region 2 - 431

Region 4 - 413

Region 7 - 344

Region 1 - 337

Region 5 - 269

Region 3 - 180

Thanks Ranger,

Sad to see Region 5 falling faster than UL football. 

Football finals are later this year than ever before.

The next 2 years the finals will be in Bowling Green and the dates will be something

like 2009-Dec.3-4 and 2010-Dec.5-6.

It's ridiculous how late they are this year.

I know someone had said something about it during last rankings, however, they did have their facts crossed and I just didn't feal like posting at that time.  Anyway, as was mentioned, Dan Thomson beat Jeremy Bollman every time they wrestled.  However, what wasn't meantioned is that Bollman moved up to 140 last year at the Region tournement because he didn't think he would qualify for state at 135.  He knew he wouldn't beat Davis (east), the Fern Creek kid, or Thomson (North Oldham).  So, Bollman moved up and hit a weaker weight class.  It is silly to rank the kid above Thomson who has beat him every time just because he made one lucky decision at the end of last season.

Ha dusty stengle 4th at 152? never gonna happen. what a joke

What hapend to Dakoda Choate from PRP

What hapend to Dakoda Choate from PRP

He isn't wrestling this year

Byron kept telling me he thought he was going to make 103. Guess not

Byron kept telling me he thought he was going to make 103. Guess not

Byron who? Hoskinson? he will b at 103

he is in 12th grade and he got first in state last year and he Just Quit?

Byron who? Hoskinson? he will b at 103

119 to 103 is a pretty big drop...

he is in 12th grade and he got first in state last year and he Just Quit?

There was already a big discussion it. Actually I think he moved or something. I was kinda confusing

I know someone had said something about it during last rankings, however, they did have their facts crossed and I just didn't feal like posting at that time.  Anyway, as was mentioned, Dan Thomson beat Jeremy Bollman every time they wrestled.  However, what wasn't meantioned is that Bollman moved up to 140 last year at the Region tournement because he didn't think he would qualify for state at 135.  He knew he wouldn't beat Davis (east), the Fern Creek kid, or Thomson (North Oldham).  So, Bollman moved up and hit a weaker weight class.  It is silly to rank the kid above Thomson who has beat him every time just because he made one lucky decision at the end of last season.

It is a new season, so I guess I can go into this again.  When we get to Frankfort there will be more than these 2 guys in the bracket.  Rankings must consider more than 2 kids.  For example, wrestler A beats B who beats C who beats A.  How do you rank them?  A, B, C?  But C beat A.  C, A, B?  But B beat C.  Based on how he finished the season Bollman deserves to be ahead of the 140s he is ahead of.  So when I move Thomson up to 140, I consider him in context of everyone at the weight class.  Is he too low?  Maybe.  But we will figure that out quickly when he meets and potentially beats the "favored" competition.  If he does, I'lll be the first to admit I was wrong.

Ha dusty stengle 4th at 152? never gonna happen. what a joke

I know the long john man may not impress everyone, but he isn't bad.  And I don't see a lot of proven talent at 152 right now.

Byron who? Hoskinson? he will b at 103

I checked the body fat test.  He weighed in over 119 and 112 is his minimum.  So if he beats out Severs he could be 112, else he will be 119.

I checked the body fat test.  He weighed in over 119 and 112 is his minimum.  So if he beats out Severs he could be 112, else he will be 119.

So was it the same for Supe?

So was it the same for Supe?

No, I'm just not sure he will make it back to 103.

Nobody noticed yet that Thompson from Larue is ranked at both 112 and 119.  I'm thinking he will try to get to 112.

uhh jus thought i would point out to ya Ranger that you have Lar co Justin Thompson listed twice. 112 and 119

Nobody noticed yet that Thompson from Larue is ranked at both 112 and 119.  I'm thinking he will try to get to 112.

well i would think if he looked at ranking he might go 119 since hes 8th at 19

uhh jus thought i would point out to ya Ranger that you have Lar co Justin Thompson listed twice. 112 and 119

lol i feel like a retard now. But i did notice just to late

palmer and lenz are still ranked too high neither one will place in the top four

palmer and lenz are still ranked too high neither one will place in the top four

Just wondering, why do you think this?

A state runner-up does not deserve to be OUT of the Top 5 in any weight class

Ha dusty stengle 4th at 152? never gonna happen. what a joke

We'll see

palmer and lenz are still ranked too high neither one will place in the top four

Lenz was 7th at 112 last year.  Now explain to me how you think Sullivan, Spencer, Osborne, and Dan Smith being gone will hurt his chances of moving up.  I'll give you Bradbury moving in takes one of those slots, but I don't see any other obvious guys being higher.  Palmer was a state finalist at 103.  So I think he gets the nod over a lot of those 103s moving up and the 112s who didn't finish well last year.  And Ryle performs in the post season.

My biggest question for both of these guys is making the weight.  I'm not convinced either gets there (no fat test yet to confirm that).  But I guess we will see in the coming weeks.

It is a new season, so I guess I can go into this again.  When we get to Frankfort there will be more than these 2 guys in the bracket.  Rankings must consider more than 2 kids.  For example, wrestler A beats B who beats C who beats A.  How do you rank them?  A, B, C?  But C beat A.  C, A, B?  But B beat C.  Based on how he finished the season Bollman deserves to be ahead of the 140s he is ahead of.  So when I move Thomson up to 140, I consider him in context of everyone at the weight class.  Is he too low?  Maybe.  But we will figure that out quickly when he meets and potentially beats the "favored" competition.  If he does, I'lll be the first to admit I was wrong.

I do not believe Thomson has lost to any of those below Bollman and yet above Thomson, so I still do not understand your rankings.  Of course, they are your rankings, so you can do what you wish.  I believe you will be changing them as Thomson showed he was quite capable last season.  I lost his head at state, but he was an underclassman.  Now he is a Junior and I believe he will end up in the top 4.

Lenz was 7th at 112 last year.  Now explain to me how you think Sullivan, Spencer, Osborne, and Dan Smith being gone will hurt his chances of moving up.  I'll give you Bradbury moving in takes one of those slots, but I don't see any other obvious guys being higher.  Palmer was a state finalist at 103.  So I think he gets the nod over a lot of those 103s moving up and the 112s who didn't finish well last year.  And Ryle performs in the post season.

My biggest question for both of these guys is making the weight.  I'm not convinced either gets there (no fat test yet to confirm that).  But I guess we will see in the coming weeks.

I know this has been stated many times before, but i'll state it again because you pretty much challenged it with the no one obvious should be ahead. Zac Brown has only lost to Andy Lenz once their entire highschool careers including the summer tournaments. Last year Zac even moved up to 112, after weighing in at 103 and majored lenz, at the region 7 duals. Lenz may have been hurt or sick then, but it still happened, and has happened on more than one occassion. I'm not asking for Zac to be moved up, just stating the facts.

I know this has been stated many times before, but i'll state it again because you pretty much challenged it with the no one obvious should be ahead. Zac Brown has only lost to Andy Lenz once their entire highschool careers including the summer tournaments. Last year Zac even moved up to 112, after weighing in at 103 and majored lenz, at the region 7 duals. Lenz may have been hurt or sick then, but it still happened, and has happened on more than one occassion. I'm not asking for Zac to be moved up, just stating the facts.

i heard zac brown was wrestling 119..

I know this has been stated many times before, but i'll state it again because you pretty much challenged it with the no one obvious should be ahead. Zac Brown has only lost to Andy Lenz once their entire highschool careers including the summer tournaments. Last year Zac even moved up to 112, after weighing in at 103 and majored lenz, at the region 7 duals. Lenz may have been hurt or sick then, but it still happened, and has happened on more than one occassion. I'm not asking for Zac to be moved up, just stating the facts.

I'll say that zack has beatin me jus about every time we've wrestled. I have no excuses for it, it jus happened. He is a good wrestler but there wont be another major like at super duals. As for the weight situation, we have certification this wensday and i will certinally be down to 112. I wrestled a tough weight class last year and think i am where i belong as far as rankings. by the way kywrestling its gettin pretty old you callin me out on here. You know more about my matches than i do most of the time. I think you should just focus on your team and yourself and quit worrying about me.

I'll say that zack has beatin me jus about every time we've wrestled. I have no excuses for it, it jus happened. He is a good wrestler but there wont be another major like at super duals. As for the weight situation, we have certification this wensday and i will certinally be down to 112. I wrestled a tough weight class last year and think i am where i belong as far as rankings. by the way kywrestling its gettin pretty old you callin me out on here. You know more about my matches than i do most of the time. I think you should just focus on your team and yourself and quit worrying about me.

i dont wrestle anymore but i get what your saying my bad i wasnt trying to attack you i just think that will bryant gets a crappy ranking compared to you, with that said i agree i have said it enough and ill let it go

Come on man, it is preseason.  If the worst thing that happens to him all season is a crappy ranking by me on this board, then it will be a very good year for him.

This is just like the Bollman/Thomson discussion.  Let's imagine for a moment that some kid moved into KY and has this crazy, funky style that throws Courtney for a loop and upsets him a couple times during the season.  But he loses to half of the other kids in the bracket.  He would still be ranked lower because "HE AIN'T GONNA WIN STATE"!  Matchups lead to certain kids having the number of another.  But that in no way guarantees a higher finish at state and that is what I am projecting here.  The top 8 are who I think will take home medals.  That doesn't mean I believe they will always beat all of the kids ranked 9-15, but when it comes down to state, right now these are the kids I think will take home those medals.  Based on what I saw Lenz do at a tough 112 weight last year, I think he will finish high if he can make the weight.

Come on man, it is preseason.  If the worst thing that happens to him all season is a crappy ranking by me on this board, then it will be a very good year for him.

This is just like the Bollman/Thomson discussion.  Let's imagine for a moment that some kid moved into KY and has this crazy, funky style that throws Courtney for a loop and upsets him a couple times during the season.  But he loses to half of the other kids in the bracket.  He would still be ranked lower because "HE AIN'T GONNA WIN STATE"!  Matchups lead to certain kids having the number of another.  But that in no way guarantees a higher finish at state and that is what I am projecting here.  The top 8 are who I think will take home medals.  That doesn't mean I believe they will always beat all of the kids ranked 9-15, but when it comes down to state, right now these are the kids I think will take home those medals.  Based on what I saw Lenz do at a tough 112 weight last year, I think he will finish high if he can make the weight.

well put, and i didnt mean any offense to either you or andy lenz when i made my statements. but i will stick by me stating zac will have a high finish at state, and yes he is trying to make 112, and should be there this season unless something crazy happens.

Ricky Wright from Sen is not wrestling according to his dad...

Sorry Ranger123, but Duncan  Caddell from Whitley Co. is going 135, because his coach wants him to.  He told me last night. :-D

We'll see

DUSTY STENGEL SUCKS OMFG HOW IS HE EVEN RANKED TOP 20 I MEAN OMG HES SO GARBAGE I MEAN SERIOUSLY REMEMBER WHEN HE LOST TO THAT ONE GUY THAT LOST TO THAT OTHER DUDE AND THEN THAT KID WON STATE BUT THE POINT IS LONG JOHNS SUCK DUSTY IS GARBAGE!

Come on man, it is preseason.  If the worst thing that happens to him all season is a crappy ranking by me on this board, then it will be a very good year for him.

This is just like the Bollman/Thomson discussion.  Let's imagine for a moment that some kid moved into KY and has this crazy, funky style that throws Courtney for a loop and upsets him a couple times during the season.  But he loses to half of the other kids in the bracket.  He would still be ranked lower because "HE AIN'T GONNA WIN STATE"!  Matchups lead to certain kids having the number of another.  But that in no way guarantees a higher finish at state and that is what I am projecting here.  The top 8 are who I think will take home medals.  That doesn't mean I believe they will always beat all of the kids ranked 9-15, but when it comes down to state, right now these are the kids I think will take home those medals.  Based on what I saw Lenz do at a tough 112 weight last year, I think he will finish high if he can make the weight.

I don't see how that at all relates to the Bollman/Thomson discussion.  I mean, are you saying that Thomson lost "to half the other kids in the bracket"?  I understand how ranking goes and realize that it is just one persons hunch as to how it will all work out which is never really near accurate.  However, I was just trying to find the education in your guess there.

Chill 385....Remember these are only rankings.  The truth will be known when the wrestling begins.  February 21st we'll all know for sure! Until then don't stroke out or anything.

385 was obviously trying to be sarcastic.

Chill 385....Remember these are only rankings.  The truth will be known when the wrestling begins.  February 21st we'll all know for sure! Until then don't stroke out or anything.

385 is one of my buddies. He's just bein' a pain in the ass. lol

I don't see how that at all relates to the Bollman/Thomson discussion.  I mean, are you saying that Thomson lost "to half the other kids in the bracket"?  I understand how ranking goes and realize that it is just one persons hunch as to how it will all work out which is never really near accurate.  However, I was just trying to find the education in your guess there.

Okay, where do I start.  And I will try to type slowly this time.

Someone (I don't feel like looking right now) started making comments that Zac Brown should be ranked ahead of Andy Lenz because he beat him almost every time they wrestled (sound familiar).  Lenz medaled at 112 and Brown medaled at 103, which at least gives him more of an argument.

I don't claim to be perfect on here, but if you would like to challenge me to see who is more accurate I'll man up any day of the week.

Jared keeps whining to me about how he isn't ranked. it gets annoying

Jared keeps whining to me about how he isn't ranked. it gets annoying

Jared Smith?  I've been making some changes this week and he might make it in there next time.

Okay, where do I start.  And I will try to type slowly this time.

Someone (I don't feel like looking right now) started making comments that Zac Brown should be ranked ahead of Andy Lenz because he beat him almost every time they wrestled (sound familiar).  Lenz medaled at 112 and Brown medaled at 103, which at least gives him more of an argument.

I don't claim to be perfect on here, but if you would like to challenge me to see who is more accurate I'll man up any day of the week.

lol at manning up.  Come on people, who really cares about these rankings(No offense ranger, I know you work hard)?  It's a name with a number beside it, that's it.  They are fun to look at and discuss, but they are no reason to get all stressed out.  If you dont like where you are, beat the guy ahead of you.  Pretty simple.  I can't wait until the actual season starts, and we get to hear the real whining about the rankings..lol

Jared Smith?  I've been making some changes this week and he might make it in there next time.

Ya, I'll be sure to tell him if he gets back in

How do you see Region 2 in each weight class falling into place?

Btw, Zach Byrd from Woodford Co. is wrestling for Dunbar this year. Probably somewhere around 140/145.

Come on man, it is preseason.  If the worst thing that happens to him all season is a crappy ranking by me on this board, then it will be a very good year for him.

This is just like the Bollman/Thomson discussion.  Let's imagine for a moment that some kid moved into KY and has this crazy, funky style that throws Courtney for a loop and upsets him a couple times during the season.  But he loses to half of the other kids in the bracket.  He would still be ranked lower because "HE AIN'T GONNA WIN STATE"!  Matchups lead to certain kids having the number of another.  But that in no way guarantees a higher finish at state and that is what I am projecting here.  The top 8 are who I think will take home medals.  That doesn't mean I believe they will always beat all of the kids ranked 9-15, but when it comes down to state, right now these are the kids I think will take home those medals.  Based on what I saw Lenz do at a tough 112 weight last year, I think he will finish high if he can make the weight.

by no means was i trying to insult you or anyone else, im obviously in the wrong of this argument i except that and will now shut up

Okay, where do I start.  And I will try to type slowly this time.

Someone (I don't feel like looking right now) started making comments that Zac Brown should be ranked ahead of Andy Lenz because he beat him almost every time they wrestled (sound familiar).  Lenz medaled at 112 and Brown medaled at 103, which at least gives him more of an argument.

I don't claim to be perfect on here, but if you would like to challenge me to see who is more accurate I'll man up any day of the week.

If you are trying to insult my intelligence, let me first start by informing you that I have much more education than you and I

Time to man up ranger.  You said you would!

Oh dinubus, you make me laugh.  I don't know that I was trying to insult your intelligence, but it was apparent to me that you were not following the entire discussion.  There were 2 independent discussions going on.  One involving Bollman and Thomson and the other Lenz and Brown.  And in my mind they were very much related.  Both had one person debating the ranking of one kid based on beating the other.  Not too hard to draw the parallels.

As far as your superior education and intelligence, I can't speak to that.  What I do know is that I can confidently say that I am a smart guy and I am in the process of finishing up my masters degree.  So, to say you have much more education and that your IQ dwarfs mine is pretty absurd.

As for the rankings, provide some evidence of my bias.  You throw an accusation like that out there.  Show some proof.  On the challenge, I have just as many demands on my time.  And I don't get much information handed to me, so why should I just hand it all to you?

I think you should forward the information to him that you get and see what he comes up with as well...it would probably be funny at least. 

Oh dinubus, you make me laugh.  I don't know that I was trying to insult your intelligence, but it was apparent to me that you were not following the entire discussion.  There were 2 independent discussions going on.  One involving Bollman and Thomson and the other Lenz and Brown.  And in my mind they were very much related.  Both had one person debating the ranking of one kid based on beating the other.  Not too hard to draw the parallels.

As far as your superior education and intelligence, I can't speak to that.  What I do know is that I can confidently say that I am a smart guy and I am in the process of finishing up my masters degree.  So, to say you have much more education and that your IQ dwarfs mine is pretty absurd.

As for the rankings, provide some evidence of my bias.  You throw an accusation like that out there.  Show some proof.  On the challenge, I have just as many demands on my time.  And I don't get much information handed to me, so why should I just hand it all to you?

I think you should forward the information to him that you get and see what he comes up with as well...it would probably be funny at least. 

Funny?  Who knows maybe he's better than ole ranger.  Cult of personalities aside,  I'd like to see this.  Let's put it to a challenge.  Ranger vs. Dinubus.  May the best man, or superior IQ win. 

I think you should forward the information to him that you get and see what he comes up with as well...it would probably be funny at least. 

Can I ask you to send out DVD copies of your meets for the coaches around the state so they can more easily scout you guys before state?  Even if you weren't concerned with the competitive aspect of it, it probably sounds pretty stupid to take time and effort to help a competitor.  I don't get my information because coaches are obligated to send it to me.  I get it because I have built those contacts.  And it is not merely forwarding a pm or an email.  I talk to guys and gals at meets and on the phone.  Am I supposed to type up a nice executive summary for dinubus to make it nice and easy.  NOT HAPPENING!  Besides, with his superior intelligence and education why should he need the same information.

Ranger, I thoroughly enjoy reading the rankings and even some of the discussions, it give's us some perspective of what wrestlers around the state are doing and is even entertaining at times, I am currently deployed in Iraq so this gives me a chance to keep up with what's going on. Thanks, keep up the good work

    I don't know about you all but I think its about time someone finally have Ranger123 a hard time. 

The all mighty ranger hs been chanllenged and brought down a couple of notches.  WOO HOO.  :-D :-D :-D

    Yeah I know I opened my big mouth and now ya all are gonna start back on me.  But what can I say it's what I do best.    :evil:

    But unlike ya-all peeple with low IQ's.  We's can take it.  Arr smarts lets us be able to handle dose who are not as smart as us.  Ain't that rite "Die new Bus", ummm "Dino Bus", no wait I gots it. Yeah rite "Dinubus".  Sees I'm got smarts.

Should Mack Logsdon really be ranked 9th? All i know of him is that he was JV to Ethan Miller last year, i mean come on do you really think that a JV wrestler can make the change from JV matches to varsity?

I do think JV wrestlers can adapt. 3 years ago Aaron Carr and Jarvis Elam were JV to Adam Carr at 103 and look how they have turned out.

I might be wrong... but I think someone told me that Tyler Baldwin (2x state champion) won his first state championship while being JV at the start of the year.

What was the kid from Campbell Co. name a few yrs ago nolan i think was jv most of the year and then won state

Yes that was Mike Nolan from Campbell Co., he beat one of the Coopers from Simon Kenton.  I believe the next year was a rematch of the finals with the Cooper winning.  I don't think Baldwin was JV at the beginning of that year but the year before he was 3rd on the depth chart behind Kyle Leugers and John Adams; kind of interesting how things shake out.

I believe it was Neil Cooper that Nolan beat for his championship.  I think it is between Nolan and Derek Nickel for probably the best championship run I have ever seen for a virtual non contender.

Should Mack Logsdon really be ranked 9th? All i know of him is that he was JV to Ethan Miller last year, i mean come on do you really think that a JV wrestler can make the change from JV matches to varsity?

He's pretty good.  I don't think that's overrated at all for him.  I think he'll be at least there or above this year.

Logsdon won his weightclass at the TCI last year. He's pretty good. Top 10, I don't know yet. The potential is there though.

Oh dinubus, you make me laugh.  I don't know that I was trying to insult your intelligence, but it was apparent to me that you were not following the entire discussion.  There were 2 independent discussions going on.  One involving Bollman and Thomson and the other Lenz and Brown.  And in my mind they were very much related.  Both had one person debating the ranking of one kid based on beating the other.  Not too hard to draw the parallels.

As far as your superior education and intelligence, I can't speak to that.  What I do know is that I can confidently say that I am a smart guy and I am in the process of finishing up my masters degree.  So, to say you have much more education and that your IQ dwarfs mine is pretty absurd.

As for the rankings, provide some evidence of my bias.  You throw an accusation like that out there.  Show some proof.  On the challenge, I have just as many demands on my time.  And I don't get much information handed to me, so why should I just hand it all to you?

Before you laugh to hard, let me point out that I currently hold 2 MS degrees.  One in Educational Administration, and one in Software Analysis and Engineering (Not too absurd anymore?).  Next, should you email me, I could pass along information on my personal demands, which I am sure will not equate to yours.  I have much more.  Also, my wrestling credentials outweigh yours.

I didn't quote your other comments about passing competetive information.  However, due to my extra duties and personal work, I no longer coach.  Therefore, there would be no problem in that area.  However, on your side, you are an Assistant Coach at a current program in Kentucky.  Therefore, you are obtaining a competetive advantage if anyone.  Again, your explanation is biased rather than factual - just like your rankings must be as you still have not provided me with any information as to your reasons on the Thomson issue which is really what this was all about before you made it into a penis measuring contest.

Finally, the problem with your post was not that you were responding to two issues at once, rather that you put Thomson's name at the beginning of a paragraph which insinuated that Thomson lost half his matches.  Just because your britches are a little too big does not give you the right to cut down a good competitive individual that caused no issue with you.

this is pointless. its kentucky high school wrestling. everyone has their opinion man get over it. thomson will just have prove ranger wrong. since when did ranger's rankings affect how someone does during a match?

this is pointless. its kentucky high school wrestling. everyone has their opinion man get over it. thomson will just have prove ranger wrong. since when did ranger's rankings affect how someone does during a match?

I figure Thomson will.  However, the point was just about the ethics behind ranger's rankings.  All I asked for was some analytical backing on the ranking.  It shouldn't be too hard to answer if he has some.  Obviously he doesn't and needs to inform everyone that his rankings are purely based on his personal opinion and not on anything substantial like he likes to make out to anyone that questions him.

Sometimes a "JV" wrestler isn't always just a JV wrestler. There are times that they are a varsity class wrestler but happen to be at the same weight as a state champ or runner up.  That being the case, they have been practicing with the best so they should be able to step up right away.  That would be any coaches dream to have wrestlers waiting in the wings.    

I wouldnt be surprised to find some JV's from the very best programs that could place at state!

Really enjoy this sparring between Dinobus and Ranger. I think the ball is back in your court Ranger.

But, curious now on the wrestling credentials from Dinobus, care to share some info?

I know Ranger and he's been in more wrestling rooms and gymnasiums than most folks I know in KY, he does his homework!

By the way these rankings are great for the sport, keep up the good work!

But, curious now on the wrestling credentials from Dinobus, care to share some info?

I would except my credentials would kind of give away who I am and as we all know a little bit of anonymity isn't bad.  I just wouldn't want some wrestlers to be offended that I do not always stick up for them.  Typically it is because they haven't proved themselves yet, but anyway.  Those on here that do know who I am can vouch for what I have said.

Ranger,

    How do you see each weight class in Region 2 falling into place ( Top 4 of each class )

i feel like im having deja vu when i read this topic.  :|

I would except my credentials would kind of give away who I am and as we all know a little bit of anonymity isn't bad.  I just wouldn't want some wrestlers to be offended that I do not always stick up for them.  Typically it is because they haven't proved themselves yet, but anyway.  Those on here that do know who I am can vouch for what I have said.

Credentials?  Who cares...... if he has the education/background then lets do it.... shot for shot, ranking for ranking.

See who comes out on top.

OK time to get serious.  

    I know that I may not be the brightest light bulb in the bunch here.  Actually sometimes the light isn't really on. But that never stopped me before so I'll put my 2 cent or $1.50 in.  

    1st off I have not the slightest idea who you are dinubus.  You could be some freshman just spouting off steam (However I doubt that, most of them can't put sentences together).  Or you could be Joe Carr Sr. for all I know.  

    2nd I happen to know who Ranger123 is.  I asked some people I know and found out.  Sorry Ranger, I never really wanted to know but the curiosity got to me.  I can say however Ranger does work hard on his rankings and tries to sort through tons of information each day (once the season starts).

   Now on to my brilliant or at least lukewarm deductions.  

    Pre-season rankings are probably a little bias.  Ranger has little information to go on.  Only last years results, some summer tourneys, some knowledge of camps attended, hearsay from other wrestlers, and gut feelings from ranger himself.  Being that he is a Nky boy he has more information on these boys than others.  He is not able to be everywhere in the state at once, or anytime.  He does this on his own dime. You (Dinubus) are probably correct that there is much bias toward the Nky boys in his pre-season polls.

   However after the season starts he looses much of this bias because he has been able to get information from all over the state.  He then adjusts the rankings weekly to reflect those results.  Again he does this on his own dime.  Ranger has been able to get together the most comprehensive collection of Ky wrestling results possible without the help of mandatory submission by KHSAA. (This is required in almost every other sport in KY)

    In the past I have verbally spared with ranger on here, but it was all in fun.  What you have started here dinubus is more than that.  I'm not here to get into a penis swinging contest (your words not mine) with you.  As for your two MS degree's.  Not a big deal.  I have two of them myself.  They were not that hard to obtain.  I little bit of will power and time in the library for research purposes and you have them.  They are much easier to obtain than a bachelors degree. Teaching these classes is even easier.  

    Ranger probably spends more time deciphering his rankings than you did in obtaining both yours and my degrees together.  On top of this every year he must repeat his analysis and support his rankings on here to those who do not agree with him.  Just look at the rankings enjoy them and take them for what they are.  Nothing but someone else

dinoballs, again you make me laugh.  Technically, you are incorrect.  I never started a paragraph with Thomson's name.  I may have been included in the opening sentence, but did not start the paragraph.  And I in no way even came close to implying that Thomson lost half his matches.  Go back and put your superior education to use.  Step 1:  I mention the Thomson/Bollman discussion.  Step 2:  I introduce the fictional character who lost to half of the state qualifiers in the bracket.  Not that complicated.  And definitely not enough to get your panties in such a wad.  I'm not sure if you think I have something against Thomson or North Oldham.  But as far as I know I have never spoken to Thomson and I get along fine with Coach Fulk.  As a matter of fact, he has shared information withe me in the past.

Are you looking for me to create a fancy, mysterious formula?  What is this, the BCS?  Does the AP provide indepth analysis when they publish updated rankings?  And they really mean something in college football and basketball.  If that's what you really want, I can come up with something.  Let's see, 140, I think I did something like:

(length of inseam) divided by (# yrs exp of head coach) multiplied by (# MS degrees held by father) raised to power (life demands*)

* life demands = 1000 if you go to North Oldham because you can claim a small portion of the hectic life dinoballs leads or 0 for everyone else

Oh wait, maybe that was 145.  I don't know, us common folk have such a hard time dealing with complex math and keeping things straight in our ordinary lives.  Maybe one of these days you can enlighten the rest of us and let us in on a small piece of your God-like intellect and athletic ability.

grappler - Thanks for the compliments.  I'm with you 100% (at least on this point), even when you're giving me a hard time.  Like I've always said, I don't claim to be perfect and even though I do spend a lot of time tracking down all of the results I can get, I don't have perfect information.  I count on the good folks on this site for a lot of input as well.  So ride me all you like, but as you said, I prefer it doesn't turn into the situation we are dealing with here.  I've already spent too much time on this battle.  No more for me.  On to bigger and better things.

Should Mack Logsdon really be ranked 9th? All i know of him is that he was JV to Ethan Miller last year, i mean come on do you really think that a JV wrestler can make the change from JV matches to varsity?

That is a good question.  Besides the many good responses already provided, I saw him wrestle a few times last year and was really impressed.  Yes, he will be stepping up to the big time this year, but when you've been scrapping in the room every day with Ethan Miller, Shane Parks, and Coty Lewis to name a few, you are probably ready for it.  I think there will be a lot of guys surprised by him who walk on the mat and say "Mack who?"

Interesting discussion.  Let me begin by saying that as North Oldham's head coach for three years now, and coaching Thomson since he was in 7th grade, the kids's awesome, and a solid wrestler.  Of course I'm biased, and I should be.  Do I care what he is ranked?  Not really. 

Do I share information with Ranger?  Of course, I believe we all should.  It helps the sport  to have a guy who is informed and puts together what I like to tell my guys is a 'hitlist' of wrestlers at their weight they need to beat. 

At the end of the day, I could care less what my guys are ranked, mat performance dictates medals, but I know that for especially my younger wrestlers, that _does_ mean something to them.  You see, newer guys to the sport understand rankings.  They understand when a kid is talked about as being 'Top ten ranked'  and it means something to them, and it gets them hooked in early.  Now, when they pay their dues, they realize it doesn't matter, but rankings are great for some motivation now and again.

Secondly, to all involved: drag North Oldham out of this conversation.  Dinubus is not on our team.  His points are his own to make. Dinubus and Ranger could do opposing rankings, or whatever, doesn't matter to me, let them do as they will and I am sure it will be entertaining.  It seems Coomes/Ranger is no longer an issue, so it might be neat to toss someone out there.  In the end, let them decide.

My point being that North Oldham, and my program have nothing to do with this discussion.  My kids will settle where they need to be on the mat.

Agree coach.  And in no way did I put Dan Thomsom down.  I do my very best to stay away from that sort of thing.  It is pretty sad when adults (and kids as well, but they are kids) to come on here and put kids down who are working hard every day at the sport we all love and support. 

is sean hammons really at 112? a couple of weeks ago he was ranked at 130.

commence Ranger vs Dinubus rankings in 3...2...1...

but seriously though this has all gotten way out of hand. can we please get back on topic now? Does anybody know if Campbell County and Trinity are set to meet anywhere?

If Ranger's rankings were perfect then we wouldn't need to have the season.  The kids could actually go out and enjoy Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner this year.  Think of all the extra excuses they would all have to come up with to not do their homework.

There is no way that any rankings for any activity can be perfect.  What I do know is that when I moved to Kentucky I was informed of two ranking systems for Kentucky Wrestling however 95% of all discussion on rankings on this site and in face to face conversations are based on Ranger's rankings.  I think it is obvious then that almost everybody believes that he has the most accurate rankings.  Even if they are terrible they are the best until somebody comes along and does a better job.

What I really find amusing is that some of the adults on this website are acting with the same maturity level as some of the kids.  Like it or not several of us are role models and we all need to be aware of that before we hit post.  Oh and before anybody has the chance to post I know I am not perfect either.

Ranger - I think you do a great job and I am looking forward to taking your rankings to develop hypothetical duel meet results, as I did last year, but please don't let people drag you down to their level.

Mac Logsdon will definitely place this year at state.  I would say, other than Courtney, he has the highest expectations on the Woodford team this year.  However Woodford will continue to put out several good wrestlers and I look for them to continue their streak of top-3 finishes at state this year.  I would put money on Bracco, Logsdon, Travis K, Courtney and Semones all to place high and this year with at least two others to place who nobody really knows anything about yet.

I think that the majority of you did not realize what this was about.  It wasn't really about Ranger's rankings, it was more about him trying to cut people down when he replies.  If he has good reason to cut a person down because he has stated an actual analytical backing to his results, then so be it.  However, when I asked "why" about Thomson, Ranger tried to slam me ("I will type slower for you").  He just needs to be reminded at times that he is not a God of any sorts.  He has no authority to put anyone down because they ask a question.  And, yes, he may need to look at how his posts read prior to posting - such as putting Thomson's name at the beginning of a paragraph that appeared to insinuate that Thomson lost half his matches.  That type of thing gets people heated.

Out side of that, I strongly agree that his time on creating the rankings is very generous.  I have enjoyed checking into them whenever I have time to browse.  I just do not appreciate being slammed when I ask him to give his reasoning for something he has posted.  If he has none, he can just state "That is just how I see it going right now, no real support as of yet."  I also do not appreciate it when I see others being slammed.  Internet bashing has become a major issue in this day and age and as adults we need to ensure that we are not compounding that problem.  On a site like this, many Middle and High School young adults are viewing these slams and may come to believe that it is okay and do it themselves.

dinoballs

Oh, by the way, very creative and classy  :-)

Internet bashing has become a major issue in this day and age and as adults we need to ensure that we are not compounding that problem.  On a site like this, many Middle and High School young adults are viewing these slams and may come to believe that it is okay and do it themselves.

Ok this is just because I like to stir the pot and there is really nothing of value to discuss on this topic because they are pre-season rankings.

My response to this statement is "SO WHAT" these "bashings" as you call them aren't even verbal words they are typed words.  If someone

It is very easy to tell you children this.  I'm sure we all do.  However, it still sticks on their psychy and much damage can be caused their.  Just take a look at Columbine H.S. and check into why it all happened.  Some of this stuff can end up very dangerous.  Plus, these young adults are at a very impressionable age in which their value to others is held in high esteem.  Have you ever heard of an ILAC sign?  In past years at many schools there was a class called QUEST in which the students studied to better understand what was called their ILAC sign for 9 weeks.  ILAC stands for I am Lovable And Capable.  It was and still is believed that due to this sign many students end up following peer pressure so they can feel Lovable.

Anyway...

is sean hammons really at 112? a couple of weeks ago he was ranked at 130.

There have been a lot of rumors flying around about this one.  I think the lineup was potentially dictating the 130 spot.  Now that we are down to body fat testing time I think reality is setting in for a lot of guys.

I've been reviewing the minimum weight results and it looks like a number of guys will be moving up this season.  Especially out of the 103 class.  Based on practice so far, who has a new kid in the lineup or returner who may surprise some guys this season at 103?

I also wanted to add that I will try to post an update early next week, if possible, before most of the meets kick off.  And I'll hopefully get on the weekly cycle.  Maybe every Tuesday night or early Wednesday.

I've been reviewing the minimum weight results and it looks like a number of guys will be moving up this season.  Especially out of the 103 class.  Based on practice so far, who has a new kid in the lineup or returner who may surprise some guys this season at 103?

Mitch Rusch, 7th grader 103, Chase Rusch's little brother.  hopefully follows in brothers footsteps and is a 2x state qualifier before he hits high school.

dinoballs, again you make me laugh.  Technically, you are incorrect.  I never started a paragraph with Thomson's name.  I may have been included in the opening sentence, but did not start the paragraph.  And I in no way even came close to implying that Thomson lost half his matches.  Go back and put your superior education to use.  Step 1:  I mention the Thomson/Bollman discussion.  Step 2:  I introduce the fictional character who lost to half of the state qualifiers in the bracket.  Not that complicated.  And definitely not enough to get your panties in such a wad.  I'm not sure if you think I have something against Thomson or North Oldham.  But as far as I know I have never spoken to Thomson and I get along fine with Coach Fulk.  As a matter of fact, he has shared information withe me in the past.

Are you looking for me to create a fancy, mysterious formula?  What is this, the BCS?  Does the AP provide indepth analysis when they publish updated rankings?  And they really mean something in college football and basketball.  If that's what you really want, I can come up with something.  Let's see, 140, I think I did something like:

(length of inseam) divided by (# yrs exp of head coach) multiplied by (# MS degrees held by father) raised to power (life demands*)

* life demands = 1000 if you go to North Oldham because you can claim a small portion of the hectic life dinoballs leads or 0 for everyone else

Oh wait, maybe that was 145.  I don't know, us common folk have such a hard time dealing with complex math and keeping things straight in our ordinary lives.  Maybe one of these days you can enlighten the rest of us and let us in on a small piece of your God-like intellect and athletic ability.

I don't think dinubus goes to North Oldham, we've all been getting a good laugh about these arguments. Dan Thomson was showing me this argument on his iTouch in Econ&Gov class, we got a pretty good kick out of this. My guess is someone who had a kid or athlete who lost to Thomson... I find this quite amusing.

Mitch Rusch, 7th grader 103, Chase Rusch's little brother.  hopefully follows in brothers footsteps and is a 2x state qualifier before he hits high school.

I already had a good tip on him.  You produce some good talent in the lightweights down there in the northern part of Oldham County.  No offense to Mark Kusnir, he was pretty tough.

I already had a good tip on him.  You produce some good talent in the lightweights down there in the northern part of Oldham County.  No offense to Mark Kusnir, he was pretty tough.

Still is too.  Now he's nearing completion of his engineering program at speed school.

Also to threequarter- Zach, keep the phone in the pocket during school.

Idiot. :)

Still is too.  Now he's nearing completion of his engineering program at speed school.

Also to threequarter- Zach, keep the phone in the pocket during school.

Idiot. :)

Great to hear.  He had a motor that could run for 10 2-minute periods.

Calling a spade a spade?

That's debatable.  I would think with your superior education, you could have avoided the use of the word penis on the message boards.

:roll: Penis is a bad word?  Okay, I'm sorry if I offended your delicate vocabulary.  I shall refrain from using the term on this forum in the future.  Since my three year old already uses the term when speaking about his anatomy and it is the medical name for that portion of your anatomy, I thought it was okay to use.

:roll: Penis is a bad word?  Okay, I'm sorry if I offended your delicate vocabulary.  I shall refrain from using the term on this forum in the future.  Since my three year old already uses the term when speaking about his anatomy and it is the medical name for that portion of your anatomy, I thought it was okay to use.

so why are you talking about you three year olds penis :evil:

See, kywrestling has exemplified the point about how delicate the young adults brains are.  Thank you for helping with this discussion kywresting!  :-D

See, kywrestling has exemplified the point about how delicate the young adults brains are.  Thank you for helping with this discussion kywresting!  :-D

i feel like you are some 20 year old who is in college and thinks he knows everything and thinks he is being clever by coming on an online message board and calling everyone kids. and really i hope so because if you are that means there is still hope for you to grow up, but if you really are some man in his 30's then its just sad that you come on a message board and talk to us kids the way you do. either way GET A LIFE!

Today at the South Oldham scrimmage Logan Stuerle (NO 152) beat Cole Proctor.

Jeff Thomson is going 160 and Kyle Forbes is going 171

That is a good question.  Besides the many good responses already provided, I saw him wrestle a few times last year and was really impressed.  Yes, he will be stepping up to the big time this year, but when you've been scrapping in the room every day with Ethan Miller, Shane Parks, and Coty Lewis to name a few, you are probably ready for it.  I think there will be a lot of guys surprised by him who walk on the mat and say "Mack who?"

But how do we know that Lewis, Parks and Miller ever practiced with Logsdon, i know stubborness is my weakness but i just dont see someone like Logsdon being top 10 in the rankings so far. Maybe he should be ranked but not top ten already, and not when there are plenty of kids that were wrestling varsity last year that might of become better this past summer. Don't take me disagreeing with you ranger on this subject personal, i actually find all that you say correct so if you say he will be good im obligated by your reputation to agree.

But how do we know that Lewis, Parks and Miller ever practiced with Logsdon, i know stubborness is my weakness but i just dont see someone like Logsdon being top 10 in the rankings so far. Maybe he should be ranked but not top ten already, and not when there are plenty of kids that were wrestling varsity last year that might of become better this past summer. Don't take me disagreeing with you ranger on this subject personal, i actually find all that you say correct so if you say he will be good im obligated by your reputation to agree.

Hey, we're all allowed our opinions and you are free to disagree without fear of hurting my feelings.  Hopefully, we can keep the discussion appropriate.  Since you play well with others, I'll provide you some analysis on this one.  As I said before, I've seen Logsdon wrestle and he didn't look much live a JV guy last year.  That was dictated by their lineup.  Second, Woodford has that incredible streak (10+ years) of finishing in the top 3 at state.  You don't get that by just having kids like Courtney and Richard Starks (to randomly pick a couple studs).  They are always able to turn those jv guys into first year varsity competitors.  And I don't think they do it by keeping them from wrestling the good kids in practice.  They realize that at some point those kv kids will have to step up to varsity and they are prepared to do it.

:roll: Penis is a bad word?  Okay, I'm sorry if I offended your delicate vocabulary.  I shall refrain from using the term on this forum in the future.  Since my three year old already uses the term when speaking about his anatomy and it is the medical name for that portion of your anatomy, I thought it was okay to use.

Oh I get it.  Your anatomy.  Thanks for the clarification sphincter hole.  How about you put your 3 year on the keyboard so we can have an intelligent discussion of ky h.s. wrestling rankings without listening to you whine and cry about your favorite wrestler being ranked 2 spots too low.  B-O-O H-O-O.  Reply all you want, you're no longer amusing, just annoying.  I'm done.

Brandon Whitehouse is like 145

he wrestled Steven Willbanks at the SO scrimmage

also Chase Rusch is weighing 119 and said he was planning to wrestle at it

Brandon Whitehouse is like 145

he wrestled Steven Willbanks at the SO scrimmage

also Chase Rusch is weighing 119 and said he was planning to wrestle at it

Who won between Whitehouse and Willbanks?

Hey, we're all allowed our opinions and you are free to disagree without fear of hurting my feelings.  Hopefully, we can keep the discussion appropriate.  Since you play well with others, I'll provide you some analysis on this one.  As I said before, I've seen Logsdon wrestle and he didn't look much live a JV guy last year.  That was dictated by their lineup.  Second, Woodford has that incredible streak (10+ years) of finishing in the top 3 at state.  You don't get that by just having kids like Courtney and Richard Starks (to randomly pick a couple studs).  They are always able to turn those jv guys into first year varsity competitors.  And I don't think they do it by keeping them from wrestling the good kids in practice.  They realize that at some point those kv kids will have to step up to varsity and they are prepared to do it.

Yes, the tradition has been set at that school and their coaches seem to know how to keep it going.  Other programs that seem to have a great tradition going are:  Ryle, Trinity, Campbell, Sheldon Clark, Larue, & South Oldham to name a few.  I agree that members of their team probably deserve a benefit of the doubt.  Nice analysis Ranger  (that is all I asked for, and I thank you for taking the time for this person).

Brandon Whitehouse is like 145

he wrestled Steven Willbanks at the SO scrimmage

also Chase Rusch is weighing 119 and said he was planning to wrestle at it

Wow, Rusch is back at 119?  He did fairly well there as an 8th grader.  He should do quite well if he can maintain 119 this year!

Brandon Whitehouse is like 145

he wrestled Steven Willbanks at the SO scrimmage

also Chase Rusch is weighing 119 and said he was planning to wrestle at it

Whitehouse only weighed 140 for the body fat test, so I think he will at least be there, if not 135.  And I have Rusch back at 119.  That could be an interesting weight class this year.  Really tough at the top, with some young up-and-comers.

Who won between Whitehouse and Willbanks?

i believe willbanks did i am not positive but i believe thats what i heard

wow 8 pages of replys in 9 days... can you say record breaker?

Whitehouse only weighed 140 for the body fat test, so I think he will at least be there, if not 135.  And I have Rusch back at 119.  That could be an interesting weight class this year.  Really tough at the top, with some young up-and-comers.

Does one have to have special access to see these body fat tests or is there public access to us common everyday fans?

Thompson from franklin county has decided just to stay at 130 this year. it would be a easier cut and he would have a lot more strength to be very competitive for a state title at 130

Does one have to have special access to see these body fat tests or is there public access to us common everyday fans?

Wrestlers can access there own weight loss plans, but only coaches, athletic directors, etc can access the other information.

i believe willbanks did i am not positive but i believe thats what i heard

Steven Willbanks and Nick Vincent both majored Dan Thomson and Brandon Whitehouse.

Steven 145

Nick 140

Nick is going head to head with Steven at practice and even beat him at the scrimmage

So i would watch out for him this year at 140

Steven Willbanks and Nick Vincent both majored Dan Thomson and Brandon Whitehouse.

Steven 145

Nick 140

Nick is going head to head with Steven at practice and even beat him at the scrimmage

So i would watch out for him this year at 140

thing thats a surprise but i mean nick is a very good wrestler i could deff see him having a possibly to place this year but we will all just have too see

i dont normally chime in on rankings but i think that lafayette is very underranked on a state level and individualy.

Ranger, what do you think of Anderson County and some of their wrestlers?

Anderson co works hard but need some talent as well. They need another Isaacs.

Hope to see some of Anderson wrestlers winning a few matches at state this year. Cory Vincent has excelent technique but seems to get caught up in matches. He needs to relax because he knows more then most just has to put it all together in a match.

Hunter Lilly could be very good this year if he can get his weight down and be a 112.

Ben Joseph actually uses his long legs  and realizes where he is on the mat and puts himself in good position could put out some competion possibly winning some matches at state.

Zack Cotton if he could listen to what he is taught and make weight for heavyweight and get in decent shape should do some damage this year.

Anderson having any state placers this year... doubtful but hope im wrong.

so is nick isaacs not wresting for anderson this year or do they need to duplicate him?

no nick isaacs decided to live with his uncle in oregon where hes from and never started going to anderson. its a shame tho. the kids a badass. way better then sam.

171 David George beat Kyle Forbes tonight 6-1

160 Jeff Thomson beat Ross Robinson 10-4

140- Dan Thomson pinned John Lampe

119- Barnett beat Chase Rusch 7-6

Final team score was like 58-15.  St X looked good, North Oldham only had like half their varsity guys.

Ranger, what do you think of Anderson County and some of their wrestlers?

Just based on rankings, Cotton looks to be the best shot at a medal this season.  I don't know a lot about him, but at heavy anything can happen.  Next, I would go with Ben Joseph.  BUT he is in a tough range there.  112, 119, and 125 are pretty deep, but his experience should win him a few matches.  The Vincent boys seem to have been around a while, but haven't won a lot of big matches.  Overall, I think they are still building down there.  I'm sure Isaacs got the team some attention after the state finals appearance.  Hopefully generated some interest.

i dont normally chime in on rankings but i think that lafayette is very underranked on a state level and individualy.

I hear that Will Bryant and Jimmy Lacy have worked pretty hard, but I'm not sure what other individuals are underrated.  Throw me some names and we'll see if they're on my radar.

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