Will woodford have 7 or more state champs

Woodford doesn't usualy upset anybody and niether do thier wrestlers.

are you out of your mind? did u say 7 state champs?

One year, 1993, they had 7 in the finals. And that was before there was a 215lb weight class. But 7 champs? Can't believe thats even a question....

I believe Larue will have a big impact on them so no I dont believe they will have that many Champs; not taking anything from them, they are a excellent team and I enjoy seeing them year after year. They have a amazing fan base and so does Larue; in the sprit of everything that goes on at state anything could happen!

After seeing Larue beat them yesterday, I don't think they can have 7 champs. Even some of the ones they won were too close and could have gone the other way. And even though Will Starks is undefeated and their 215 wrestler, yesterday they chose not to wrestle matches that had strong contenders.

Eagle Pappy189 - It's not the wrestlers choice to wrestle or not wrestle. It's purely a coaches call. What is so hard to understand? Why take a chance and get your wrestler hurt if it has no bearing on the outcome of the match? Had Starks and Byrd's (I'm assuming is who you're talking about.) weight classes come up at the top of the round I'm sure they would have wrestled. I guess you can blame whoever drew out the weight class to start and put the team seedings together.

If it came down to it I'm sure both Starks and Byrd would have rather wrestled. I know I would have. After all this is why one makes the commitment and sacrifice each day to be the best.

In my years being involved in wrestling I can't recall any wrestler being to afraid of a little competition...no matter their experience level. I know for a fact that there were other matches that were not wrestled yesterday...for one reason or another. It's a coaches call...no matter what TEAM they wore on their chest.

I've seen this reply on several subjects from you.... So my two questions to you is what part of this TEAM COMPETITION don't you understand??? And do you REALLY think that Starks and Byrd went up to Coaches Park and Carr and said they did not want to wrestle? I know I personally wouldn't go up to any of my coaches and say that I didn't want to compete. I don't think any wrestler would...IF they did I wouldn't want them on my team.

And, NO I don't think Woodford will have 7 State Champs!

I'm just glad Larue showed Woodford they aren't necessarly the best. In the end all of the Woodford coaches choices didn't put his team on top did it?

Eagle Pappy189 - It's not the wrestlers choice to wrestle or not wrestle. It's purely a coaches call. What is so hard to understand? Why take a chance and get your wrestler hurt if it has no bearing on the outcome of the match? Had Starks and Byrd's (I'm assuming is who you're talking about.) weight classes come up at the top of the round I'm sure they would have wrestled. I guess you can blame whoever drew out the weight class to start and put the team seedings together.

If it came down to it I'm sure both Starks and Byrd would have rather wrestled. I know I would have. After all this is why one makes the commitment and sacrifice each day to be the best.

In my years being involved in wrestling I can't recall any wrestler being to afraid of a little competition...no matter their experience level. I know for a fact that there were other matches that were not wrestled yesterday...for one reason or another. It's a coaches call...no matter what TEAM they wore on their chest.

I've seen this reply on several subjects from you.... So my two questions to you is what part of this TEAM COMPETITION don't you understand??? And do you REALLY think that Starks and Byrd went up to Coaches Park and Carr and said they did not want to wrestle? I know I personally wouldn't go up to any of my coaches and say that I didn't want to compete. I don't think any wrestler would...IF they did I wouldn't want them on my team.

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^ They may have still lost but I would much rather rest my guys that it may come down to than have them get hurt and be screwed instead of just losing.

Something i thought showed is when a good team takes it to Woodford in a duel, their wrestlers didn't match that intensity. After the 152 match, the Yellow and Black were standing there looking stunned, confused, and befuddled. Then Fyffe, the next match, could very well have lost ... but to his credit came through.

Yes, the Starks brothers are gonna hurt you no matter what (Will Starks came up big) ... and Byrd and Goodrich are gonna do the same no matter what. But outside of those guys, i saw nothing that implied a gutsy performance out of Woodford even though the score was close at the end.

I still think they'll win in a tournament format. But i think what showed, is if LaRue can have a performance like they did ... get as loud and raucous as they did (thats a compliment, not insult ), the Woodford guys didn't raise their level accordingly.

No, this time things didn't work out for Woodford. That's a chance they took.

Have ALL of your decisions put you on top??? I'll go all in - and bet that ALL your lifes choices haven't put you on top!!!

That's why we play the games, wrestle the matches and fight the good fights. It's the spirit of Competition.

If all played out how others thought then Trinity shouldn't have won the state 4-A football championship, UK mens basketball should have never beat U of L (this year), UK womens basketball team should have not even stepped out on the court this past week against Powerhouse TN. What about the Steelers? The list could go on and on.....

You play the game - because sometime you win and sometime you loose. That is a chance you take in life every single day.

Even you have to admitt - Eaglepappy189 - that the decision not to wrestle Starks and Byrd had no bearing on the TEAM score. The other teams came away with 6 points for a forfeit - instead of a possible 3 points. SOOO what is the big deal that they didn't wrestle?

AND you still haven't answered my questions.

1. What part of TEAM COMPETITION don't you understand?

(IF you were a coach - Would you take the chance and get one of your wrestlers hurt - IF the outcome would NOT change the score of the match. Knowing you had several more teams to wrestle? If you choose to take the gamble - PLEASE explain.)

2. Do you Really think that Starks and Byrd went up to their coaches and said they didn't want to wrestle?

From what I can gather WC lost to Larue in a close duel that coulda gone either way...which is nothin new.. the only criticism that could rightfully be placed on WC is their state dual performance..they haven't won NEARLY as many as they should've and the only reason I can see is lack of intensity and team leadership..I haven't seen this years team as much but there HAS to be a sense of togetherness and unity going into a duel touney more so than in an indiv. tourney. During indiv. toureneys its not uncommon to catch a guy by himself in a locker room or hidden in the corner of the gym strategizing his next match but when its a duel setup- EVERY wrestlers attention should be on the mat no matter which teammate is wrestling and every wrestlewr should be concerned on how the team can pull out a victory and push indiv. accomplishments to the side. Some teams rise to this occasion (larue) and some falter. but come Feb. Parks and Carr always put it together and waltz away w/ the state champ and i don;t expect anything diff. this year.

And since its a hot topic I say WC has 5 champs (little rusty woulda been 6), and 11 state placers, no other team will be w/in 60 pts.

Kygrappler

1. What part of TEAM COMPETITION don't you understand?

(IF you were a coach - Would you take the chance and get one of your wrestlers hurt - IF the outcome would NOT change the score of the match. Knowing you had several more teams to wrestle? If you choose to take the gamble - PLEASE explain.) 2. Do you Really think that Starks and Byrd went up to their coaches and said they didn't want to wrestle?

I have coached and will again when my son makes it to high school.

Using this theory then why do you ever wrestle a match that would not change the outcome of the match? (If we started with 103 every time) Many of the schools Hwt would never wrestle.

It's not a gamble by not allowing your wrestler to wrestle it can make him not use to the several tough matches he will have at state.

By making him wrestle all of the matches then he becomes tougher and learns to wrestle several tough matches in a row.

You take this gamble every time you send a wrestler on the mat.

The ONLY reasons I see to pull someone from a tough match are.

1. The wrestler can't compete with the other wreslter and could get hurt.

2. Your wrestler is already injured.

Just my opinion and philosophy.

No I don't think this was the wrestlers decision.

1. Lewis will win, but Luna could. Still gonna concede this one.

2. Richard Starks will win.

Nots

Walls will beat Fyffe.

Between Banks, Aylor, Cooper, and Wilson one of those guys will beat Courtney. Banks beat him, Wilson only lost by one. The only reason i have Courtney here is i'm figuring a 1 in 5 chance considering several guys of even talent there. And i'm not predicting a 20 % chance in the maybe column.

Maybe

Will Starks may, but there's a couple guys who can beat him.

Until Byrd or Goodwrich win, you can't count them.

If two of the maybes come through you have four at most. And thats assuming either Byrd or Goodwrich win. Rusty would never have beaten Scott, Warner beat him decisively and Scott beat Warner decisively.

2006 champs to be:

S. Parks

C. Lewis

H. Courtney

W. Starks

R. Starks

probable top 3:

M. Byrd

C. Fyffe

J. Smith

This is in no way far-fetched and is my honest, humble, opinion and anything less is a dissapointment for these boys.

Parks??? seems a little far fetched. Then again, it is your opinion

After nearly picking the LaRue V. Woodford final score, I will try to keep the hot streak going and predict the number of state champions for Woodford. My pick: 2 probably, three at the MOST. They may not even have more than three in finals depending on the draws. Before the brackets come out, you can't but predict state champs because you don't know who is on your side of the bracket.

So here it goes as to those who have a chance to be a state champ:

3? No way, one name TRAVIS SULLIVAN, nuff said

12? Maybe, did anyone see how he died in that final's match? He is cutting a ton of weight and if he gets beat it will be on Friday night or Saturday morning. He had NO strength in that last match on Saturday.

19? NO WAY, Perez showed that Smith has NO CHANCE.

25,30,35,40: Sorry, no way. They all got dominated by LaRue

45? Sorry, but again nope. Prediction is that unless Banks, Aylor, and Cooper are all on the same side, he won't even make finals again. Did anyone see how he was so shook by Banks taking him down twice in the first period that the coaches had to call an injury timeout to calm him down. He falls behind to anyone, and he goes down. Still too young.

52 and 60? Fyffe is good, but Barnhill should have won. No state champ here.

71? Maybe, probably not. Jones should have won and will get him sometime this year, at state would be sweet for Jones.

89? No one beats him, and he is quite possibly MOW over Murton. He is a beast.

215? Nope, sorry again, Embree from LaRue should have won except for two bogus stalling calls by the ref.

275? Possibly, he is a very good heavyweight.

So, long post to say: One for sure and two possibles. After getting to see them in person this weekend, for the first time this year, I am not sure they are going to run away with the tournament like many are saying.

Remember you heard it here first, LaRue will quite possibly come out of regions with 11 regional champions now that Hines is 3 and Carman is 12 and Perez beat Pitcher the other night in a dual. 11 number one seeds and they hang with Woodford the entire weekend of the state tournament.

BigCoach:

This is what I posted on Dec. 27th

There was no injury time called during the banks courtney match big

Possum - I believe you are right, there was no injury time called. I stand corrected on that. There was a break in action for some reason as I remember, and it was at the time that I saw the Woodford coaches, Joe Jr I believe, calming their wrestler down. Sorry for the wrong statement there.

Grappler of old - Great minds must really do think a like. I don't remember your post from earlier. I take it you have had seen Woodford earlier in the year as well as several other teams. This weekend was the first time I had seen them. They were not as nearly impressive as many have made them out to be. Don't get me wrong, they are a very strong team and well deserving of their number one tournament ranking, but I don't believe they are going to set a new record for points at the state tournament.

BigCoach - I have to agree on the points. Without Parks, they I think they will fall short (nice how that gave me an excuse to be wrong). BUT, I do think that both Woodford and Larue will be knocking on the door of mid-200's to win the tournament. And yes, you can interpret that as me saying Larue is for real and will challenge for the title. But I think those two will score a lot of points (assuming the draws are too horrible). What I saw on Saturday night was a lot of Larue kids stepping up to the plate and handling the pressure and some Woodford kids looking a little shaky and in less than the best of condition under the pressure. What a great setup for Frankfort.

how do u figure that parks will lose to sullivan? sullivan only beat voth by 4 and shane beat voth 2times by 2 and 5.

You cannot compare two wrestlers even if they wrestled the same person. There are many factors that go into matches. Different styles of wrestling.

Look at Aylor last year. He won most of his matches by 2-4 points. He is a control wreslter and does not score many points.

Sullivan is a pin wrestler. He does not score many points because he is trying for the one move for a pin. He rarely tilts for points.

I have seen many times in the past where wrestler A and Wrestler B both defeated Wrestler C by a couple of points. But when Wrestler A and B wreslte. Wrestler A dominates the match and wins by 10 or a pin.

No, I guess not. But what kept them from being on top certainly wasn't anything to do with anyone named Starks or Byrd, that's for sure.

I'm just glad Larue showed Woodford they aren't necessarly the best. In the end all of the Woodford coaches choices didn't put his team on top did it?

As to the question posed originally in this thread, I'll say that Woodford finishes with four state champs out of six finalists.

Champs:

112 - Lewis

145 - Courtney

171 - Starks

189 - Starks

Second-place:

160 - Fyffe

215 - Byrd

Shane Parks also has a very good chance, though Travis Sullivan is one tough wrestler. Those of you who haven't seen Shane this year don't really know how much this kid has improved. Same goes for Will Starks. I saw above where it was posted that Jones should've won the 171 match. I'm assuming this is referring to state duals against LaRue (don't know the name of Larue's 171, this is why I'm guessing), but if you think that Will Starks should've lost that match, I don't know what you were watching. He was controlling from the get-go and pinned the guy in the first period (maybe second period, my details are a tad hazy).

This is about the most innane poll I have seen. NO THEY WILL NOT HAVE 7 STATE CHAMPS! NO!

Woodford homers: you're boys are good, but not that good.

They'll have 2 at the best. R Starks is a no brainer.

7? :roll: Don't smoke before you get on the forum.

There is no way that any team will ever have 7 state champs; I don't care how good the team is. The state tournament features the best matches of the year and there are always upsets. I remember our '96 and '97 teams that were stacked up and down only produced three champs each. I believe that in any given year that it is realistic to have 3 or 4 champs tops, regardless of how many #1 ranked wrestlers are on a team.